welcome back. we begin with president trump trying to overturn the election that he lost to joe biden, and not by a small margin. by 74 electoral votes and almost 6 million in the popular vote. trump is now attempting to stop the certification of votes in states where biden beat him like michigan. trump has invited michigan state lawmakers to the white house where they're expected to meet with him two hours from now. this alarming meeting happening before the lawmakers who are involved in the process to certify the vote in the state where joe biden won by 154,000 votes. trump's guests today are michigan senate majority leader

mike shirky and lee chatfield. protesters making it clear what they thought as they arrived this morning just outside of washington. >> shame on you! shame on you! >> now, both had both said previously that they will honor biden's win but that was before the pressure campaign from trump. the white house press secretary today trying to brush off this meeting by claiming that the president meets with lawmakers all the time. yeah. that's what she said. so we're just supposed to believe it is a coincidence that the president is also reportedly working to invite republican state legislators from pennsylvania to the white house. another state where the president has baselessly claimed election fraud. where there's no evidence of that. i want to get straight to kaitlyn collins at the white house. it is like i'm not sure if they

think we're stupid. it is more that they think no one is watching what they're doing. what can you tell us about this meeting perhaps in pennsylvania with pennsylvania lawmakers? >> i think it is plainly obvious to see why the president is inviting these lawmakers here. and i think the lawmakers, these legislators are aware of what is going on only days before their state is set to certify joe biden's win and make it official. if you want to see what the white house thinks, you saw earlier, it is not an advocacy meeting but this comes only days before the deadline. this was not put on the president's official schedule. instead we found out about it through reporting and hearing from these legislators in the state. and now we know they are considering inviting more to this meeting. we were told no one from the campaign would be there. therefore, it won't be a political meeting talking about what the campaign's efforts have been to overturn the election

results. but rudy giuliani said this morning that he is going to be present for this and of course, he's been the one leading the efforts as we saw with that briefing that happened, the press conference that happened yesterday with rudy giuliani. so the effort here is clear, of course. this comes as you're seeing the white house move through the phases of not really knowing where their next path is for how they'll continue contesting this. because we saw in the days after the election, they said that they believed as the votes came in in places like arizona, nevada, that the president would regain his lead and win those states. when that didn't happen, they turned to litigation. and we've seen that they have lost or withdrawn the president and his allies, over two dozen lawsuits since the day of the election. so those are fizzling. now the president is trying to use political pressure on these state legislators and the question is how did they respond to this? do they go through with what the president and his allies are clearly pushing, to try to get

them to override the will of the voters here? so these are the different steps the president is taking. the question is, when does he finally hit the end of the road and himself publicly acknowledge reality, which is that joe biden has won this election. >> and why did they say yes to this meeting, traveling from a coronavirus hot spot, really, to another coronavirus hot spot, the white house. thank you so much for that report. the president and his allies as she mentioned there, they lost some key cases in arizona, pennsylvania and georgia on thursday. president trump right now is 2 for 31 in the courts. and one of the president's biggest supporters, iowa senator joni ernest is speaking out about the wild accusations the trump campaign made yesterday. the candidates were paying to have their elections rigged. >> we believe in honesty. we believe in the integrity of our election system. which is why i do believe that if there is fraud out there, it should be brought to the court's

attention and the proof should be brought forward. i think all of us degree on that. to insinuate that republican and democratic candidates paid to throw off this election. i think it is absolutely outrageous. and do i take offense to that. i have fought for my country. i've worn our nation's uniform to protect the freedom that's our nation espouses. to have that accusation offhandedly thrown out there to confuse our voters across the united states. i think that's absolutely wrong. >> i want to bring in gloria borger and a cnn political analyst. first to you, gloria. you've been doing some wubl reporting about what is going on in the white house. tell us what his advisers are telling him. and what is a losing battle. >> well, dana bash and i have

been talking to people who either have spoken with the president, are friends of the president, and understand the kinds of, what's going on inside. and i can tell you that the president is dug in. one piece of the reporting is that he sees this as payback to democrats who never really ledge it missed his election, he believes. so he's throwing this back at joe biden. the other part of this is from a source who has spoken directly with the president who says, when they say, you know, you ought to allow the transition to occur even if you don't intend to concede. the president is dug in and says you're wrong. you're absolutely wrong. when they say to the president, you know, think about your future. this could affect how the business community sees you. who is willing to stay at a trump hotel? how will you be regarded if you need to borrow money, for example? he said it doesn't matter. i have more than 70 million people behind me and that is all

that matters. so there is no way around this. all during the mueller reporting, remember, we asked the question. can a president really obstruct justice out loud in public? can he do it publicly? the answer was, yes. and then the question is, here now, we are seeing a president openly trying to steal an election. right before our very eyes. and there is nothing anyone can do about how he will behave because nobody in that white house has a way to speak to him so that he will listen. >> yeah. he's not slick. he's very obvious here. but it's very alarming. and margaret, there is a growing number of lawmakers who are acknowledging that. they're criticizing the president publicly. the question is, is it enough? but among them, dan sullivan who says, i don't know, some of the criticism is tepid. right? he says the president has a high

bar to prove fraud. you have he another representative saying it's time to move on. the pushback is like a small little poke but it's still important, right? because they're worried about the blowback they would get from president trump and right wing media. what are you seeing right now when you're trying to assess how republicans are responding to this? >> i'm watching republicans begin very slowly to try to coalesce around a position that moves the needle. but waiting and watching to see how president trump responds, what the white house lawyers are able to cause president trump to do. and what happens with the certifications, right? if georgia certifies today if some of these other certifications happen between now and thanksgiving, as they're supposed to, the issue will be resolved so these republicans don't have to get involved. and we have some new reporting

just in my colleague jonathan swan reporting at the white house, around some of the particulars of this afternoon's meeting. a conference call this morning with the trump campaign and legal staff as well as a lawyer who works at the white house. not inside the council's office but a senior advisory role. he's saying, hey, the white house council's office is not going to participate in this meeting. at least as of right now. floss reason they would. this is outside their purview. but someone, a lawyer, should be present to help the president we the guardrails of what is per appropriate to say. and it has become difficult to figure out who that lawyer should be because rudy giuliani's son as we know from twitter, has tested positive for coronavirus. has been in and out of campaign headquarters around all the campaign lawyers, and around his

dad. so the conversation then went, well, rudy giuliani shouldn't be the one at the white house today if he's been exposed to covid. many advisers don't want rudy giuliani to be the one advising the president about how to proceed here anyway. and then a whole conversation about, who is safe? who can we say for certain has not been exposed to covid, who could go in and help guide the parameters of. meeting? so that's the situation as we head toward this unofficial, unscheduled, nonagenda meeting where we all have a general sense of what the agenda might be. >> yeah. and at this point, maybe someone is now ironically wondering what they could have done to prevent the spread of covid at the white house and among associates of the white house. gloria? >> well, you know, they are saying this isn't an advocacy session. and of course, we don't believe that at all. it is not true. and because why would you need a lawyer there if it were just a

meet and greet, for some reason, he just decided to have a meet and greet with these republican legislators. this is an advocacy session. it is election interference. i'm not a lawyer. i don't know the legal sense of. but i'm watching the president of the united states trying on overturn an election from the oval office which is remarkable. and they can't figure out who needs to be in there because they have covid and a lot of the people, as margaret was just saying, don't want rudy giuliani in there anyway. at some point those tepid responses have to get a little stronger. mitt romney was strong in the interview saying there undermines democracy and i agree with him. i think we need to hear from more people if this continues. and i understand, they're worried about the georgia elections and all the rest. but come on, folks. >> they also, just this administration seems to be operating on a second track. which is why meanwhile the

president is going through his theater of trying to overturn the election, which certainly, we home that's all it is. that it is just theater and him being able to act out something that maybe feels satisfying to him. on the other hand you have this administration doing things that appear to undercut the incoming biden administration. we're thinking of the most recent thing with it is supposed to help small business and you look at it and all i can wonder is, this is something that severely hand cams small businesses. even the fed is saying that. why is this administration doing this? >> well, if we add more ability to ask the president questions, perhaps we would get to the bottom of that answer. steve mnuchin is denying that's what he's trying to have a. but i think we see a clue that in recent days, we've seen

increasing outward advocacy from the business community. the national association of manufacturers, ceos, corporate leaders, taub about, it is time to begin the transition saying joe biden has won the election. these are really potentially destabilizing moves for the economy. it is not just a matter of politics where joe biden's hands are tied or it is tougher for your opponent to draw a winning hand. we're in this breach without stimulus money. this is a precarious situation. people are waiting for a resolution so that both opposing political parties can find some space. so any move to pull the rug out from under the next president regardless of the party could have major economic implications and implications in real people's lives. >> thank you so much. i appreciate the conversation.

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doesn't necessarily mean that you won't get it. and i think what a lot of people don't realize, as you suspect that a stranger might have covid-19. you don't suspect that your mother, that your husband, your wife might actually bring covid into the family. and that's especially for for us to know as people start celebrating holidays. it might not be the stranger. you're staying away from the stranger. it might be that your son coming back from college or your grand daughter that wants to come and see grandma for thanksgiving. that might have covid. i wish that every time we spoke, we could see the virus. can you imagine how much easier it would be if people could see the virus and realize that so many people you're hanging out with could potentially transmit that virus to you. >> yeah. it does not discriminate. and it is for a will type,

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he. as coronavirus surges in states, businesses across the country are bracing for what is likely to be a long and challenging winter. in missouri where cases are skyrocketing, new restrictions are being put in place in kansas city. and these will limit indoor gatherings and they'll force restaurants to close early. scott anderson is the co-founder of riley drive entertainment which operates a handful of pub and patio locations across the kansas city metropolitan area. i say the next couple months will be a restaurant blood bath. tell us what you're expecting. >> thank you. i can tell you what i'm expecting is there is a large segment of the casual dining restaurant business that is struggling. they barely made it through the first closures. we're faced again with another closure. not only is the closure coming much earlier than the one last year. we started closing in the middle

of march. right now we're closing, operating under restrictions at the end of november. and i have no reasonable expectation that those restrictions will be lifted any time before march. and a lot of restaurants barely made it through the first time. and that was with government aid. we have no new government aid. we have restrictions, closures, i know a lot of my friends in the business frankly will not survive until march. >> so they not survive. how do you balance, how do you about a this? the need obviously for businesses to survive, but then the awareness that there is airborne transmission indoors, and that indoor dining has been a big vector for the transmission of coronavirus. how do you balance those things? >> yeah, i don't want you or your listeners for a minute to think we don't take this seriously. restaurant owners generally, we believe in the virus -- we

believe it is serious and we want to do everything we can to protect our customers and we're trying to do that. the reality is we've been labeled a super spreader. i don't necessarily agree with that. i think there's a lot of other activities going on. i know my kids' sports are still going on. but for some reason, restaurants have taken, they're almost the pandemic scapegoat. and i am not necessarily opposed, i'm not opposed to all the restaurant restrictions. however, i am opposed to restricting business without some type of aid. i think we saw the ppp money on the first go-around. i think it went through a lot of business that's didn't need it. the restaurant industry needs it as much as anybody. hotels, entertainment venues and restaurants are the ones really struggling. i think most restaurant owners, we're not saying we don't want to comply with the restrictions,

or the shutdowns. but we're saying if we have to, give us some help. >> yeah. we've seen studies that show, there are some risks to indoor dining. there just is. i think you're right that there are different things that can affect that. ventilation is one. whether people are wearing masks when they're not eating but even just eating and having a mask off creates a vulnerability. you make this very key point which is, where he is the aid then? if you are asking the small businesses, if you're asking the people who are employed in these small businesses, who could be in many cases, living paycheck to paychecks. why isn't the government stepping in to make up that difference? and what do you want laups to know? what are you expecting from them here? >> well, you've summarized my point exactly. again, if shutdowns have to happen, so be it.

there has to be some round of aid. another round of ppe where you had to certify some type of revenue loss. you didn't even have to certify on the first go-around. you had to agree that you had been impacted by covid, whatever that meant. i think there needs to be some type of targeted relief package aimed at these business that's are now being asked to shut down again. and this time it's not a brief period of time. we're looking at the next four or five months living under these restrictions. a lot of people, my friends in the restaurant business, will not be here come march. >> if they had that assistance, you would think they would survive? >> you know, yes, some would, some won't. the fact of the matter is, if you've ever owned a business, how do you survive a loss, a significant loss of revenue or no revenue for a five or six-month period?

as bad as it is in kansas city, you know, we have occupancy restrictions. we have to close at 10:00 p.m. i can't imagine what the restaurant owners in kansas city are facing. in new york city are faced with right now. they're not even operating. many other cities are not operating and they're not operating for months on ends. i don't know how you survive that. even with aid, i think it is difficult to survive. but i think we have to try. >> thank you for telling us what you're dealing with there in kansas city. we appreciate it. president trump expected to speak any moment at the white house. if he does take questions, we will bring that to you live. plus, details on why on earth the treasury secretary would ask the federal reserve to take back almost $500 billion that was earmarked to help small businesses like the one you just

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right now at the white house, president trump is speaking in the briefing room about lowering prescription drug prices. we're actually not going to bring this to you unless he starts answering questions. he hasn't been seen or really, he's been seen but he hasn't spoken publicly out loud here in about a week and a half. so obviously, if he's asked some important questions at this time of a nation in crisis, as he's trying to mess with the election results, we'll bring that to you and we'll bring it to you quickly of in the meantime, let's talk about something the trump administration is doing. they're pulling back nearly $500 billion, ear marked for businesses struggling in the pandemic. treasury secretary steve mnuchin wants the federal reserve to return $455 billion of this critical lending money and that is being met by a rare rebug from the central bank, which

typically doesn't wade into this. it steers clear of politics. clearly this goes beyond politics. in a statement the federal reserve says it would prefer that the full suite of emergency facilities established during the coronavirus pandemic continue to serve the important role as a backstop for our still strained and vulnerable economy. this is such important stuff we're watching. i want to bring in our business editor at large, richard quest. help us make essential of this. what the hell is steve mnuchin doing besides handicapping joe biden at the expense of small businesses? >> got it in one. there is no reasonable or rational explanation for why this facility, which hadn't been used much, and was difficult to get up and running, but even so, there is no reason why he has asked for the money back. especially since there is unused money from cares one act that he could have asked back instead.

no. this is all about politics. this is about saying, i'm going to take away a program that might be useful in the future, but the new president would have to get reauthorized by congress, with what is happening in georgia and the balance of power in the senate. so this is what this is about. there is no other reason. and you can tell that by the way the fed responded. we would prefer to have the full range available to us. this is a slap, saying don't take away the toys. >> so mnuchin is now defending the move. he says he is simply pushing it back to congress to will a indicate the money. moments ago the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he agrees with that. i wonder, this to me wreaks of, say like the next president can access the checking account. well, i'll just moving it to the savings account that you don't have access to. >> that's a brilliant way of putting it. i couldn't have put it better

myself. you're right. at the end of the day, if the money had stayed with this little used, very esoteric, but important lending facility, and if suddenly they need it elsewhere, congress apportion another $400 billion if it wishes to. no. this is robbing peter to pay paul. in doing so, making sure paul doesn't have the keys to the piggy bank. there is no other logical, rational, reasonable explanation to do this. bearing in mind, by the way, these facilities are to expire at the end of the year anyway. so there would have to be a reauthorization process going forward. it is mean-spirited and being seen for what it is. >> richard, thank you so much for die secting it for us. we appreciate it. and next, environmental activist erin brockovich will join us live to explain what has her so fired up over the president-elect's transition team.

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president-elect joe biden is pushing forward with his transition team, working fast with just 61 days until inauguration. today he announced four staffers which included the white house social secretary, carlos elizando which will only be the second man to hold that position. cabinet level positions will likely be announced next week. there is one person on the biden transition team that has drawn interest and that's michael mccabe who was appointed to the team for the environmental protection agency. mccabe was once an aide to then senator biden. he is a former deputy at the epa. he worked for the chemical company dupont in the early 2000s as they came under question for a toxic man made chemical. it is one of the so-called forever chemicals. dupont used it in the making of teflon and it links to various

cancers and unsuspecting americans whose local water supplies were contaminated with it have paid a heavy price. mccabe also worked on the deal that eventually facesed out pfoa. i want to bring in erin brockovich whose involvement in the kell cal contamination suit against pacific gas and electric. she is joining us to talk more about this. that was a record breaking settlement, by the way. she is also the author of superman is not coming. thank you for joining us. we saw this op ed in the guardian that you wrote. dear joe biden, are you kidding me? i should note, you just tweeted a happy birthday to the president-elect. so you're not someone who would consider yourself an enemy of joe biden's but you're really not happy with this person that you see on his transition team. tell me why. >> with, first of all, thank you for having me on. no, i'm not an enemy of joe biden. i want the new administration,

as many people do, to do well. my job has been in the environmental field for over 20 years. and this thing that he referenced earlier, known as teflon, it is way more widespre widespread. i think current administrations or incoming administrations may or may not have this. this chemical has affected california, florida, alabama, new jersey, ohio, north carolina, georgia, minnesota, arizona, massachusetts, illinois, new startling information coming out. yes, it is in our water. we have people across this country who are losing their water. they're, they can't drill new wells. where are they supposed to get water? we can't get it out of the water.

it is in our aquifer. and i find it very alarming that michael mccabe who did work for dupont to not get regulations placed on this chemical delayed us for -- thousands and thousan of people are hurt by this. they've been harmed, we're not addressing this, there is no national oversight and i'm not going to be comfortable having somebody from dupont being paid to cover it up and now he's on the transition team. >> they told us in part michael

mccabe has vast experience and knowledge of the eps to help the biden/harris administration address the challenges facing our country. mccabe has recused himself from any matters involving the toxic sub stantsstances controls act. he has recused himself from the toxic controls act. does that help anything? >> not necessarily. look, we don't have any national oversight or ncls on this contamination that is so widespread. and for me, let me say this. i have never been against -- and i've often said we need to work with these companies. but we need transparency, and i have five folks from a new administration that isn't

politics as usual. and now it's been brought into the fold, and now it's said that he will recuse himself. i don't think he should have any involvement in any say in communications about a chemical that is this widespread that has been concealed for a long time and giving me assurance or all the people assurance that, in fact, the right communication or message will be sent. so it doesn't give me that much security, and -- >> who would you want to see, erin? what kind of people in order to, say, have the knowledge of a chemical like this that is so widespread and actually has gotten a lot of attention, i think, here in recent years, including a major hollywood film, that we've gotten a better sense of kind of what the stakes are here. what kind of folks would you want to see on the transition team who could bring knowledge of how these companies work, who could bring knowledge of these

chemicals to the next administration? >> the scientists. you know, i listen to the incoming administration about we need to follow the science. we're all watching what's going on. the science is in on this. even herbert has done research. i'm very concerned with some harvard research that indicates that this chemical is so widespread in the human body that it could reduce the efficacy of a covid-19 vaccine. what is that saying? we need to follow the science. i want science in there that gives the danger of this chemical directing the epa first of all, on cleaning it up, and understanding the science and actual health impacts that this chemical has on this entire nation. >> look, it certainly is something -- this chemical is certainly something that requires a lot of attention, and

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many people there are ignoring the new guidelines. >> reporter: a gym in central stockholm. sweden's government says this is dangerous but it won't shut them down. and those working hard in the socially distanced class don't want to stop. >> working out for me is all i got right now, so i need to do this as long as i can and for all the members as well. they are so happy that we're still doing it. >> reporter: perhaps they would feel differently if they saw this. a hospital in the icu. a helicopter is being prepped for another facility with more beds. are you surprised you already have to juggle capacity? >> no. that we expected. >> reporter: after a quiet summer, the coronavirus is again surging in sweden. this isn't like the spring peak. it's nowhere near as intense yet, but it feels, to the staff here, so familiar.

they are tired and frustrated because there is a sense that this could have been avoided. >> reporter: a powerful second wave hasn't changed the essence of sweden's approach to slowing the spread. still few rules, mostly just advice on social distancing with an emphasis on personal responsibility. on the front line they say it's not enough. >> we need to put some, you know, consequences for not doing these things. >> reporter: enforcement. >> yeah, enforcement. >> reporter: sweden's official list of recommended blaiehavior tougher now. it reads more like a voluntary lockdown. but the architect of sweden's approach say too many aren't following his advice. so that's the key difference, your recommendations aren't enforcible. >> during the spring this worked really well. we managed to get people to stop meeting to a great extent. if we can get back to that level

of follow-up on our advice, i think we can handle the situation. >> reporter: you're in flux. >> yes. make him look angry. >> reporter: he is lionized here. >> he put down guidelines that kept our freedom. >> reporter: there is broad support for the country's policies, even though sweden admits it failed its elderly. almost 90% of people who died so far were over 70, and sweden's total death toll is more than four times the combined figure of its nordic neighbors, all of which embraced tougher measures. hello. but even among the sick, you meet advocates for prioritizing freedom. adam knows the feelings this

caused. sweden is asking people to give up more than ever before, and it's not yet clear they're willing to do it. phil black, cnn, stockholm. and our special coverage continues now with brooke baldwin. ♪ hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn. thank you so much for being with me on this friday afternoon. i want to let you know -- okay, i'm just getting in my ear from my producer, we were watching this event in the briefing room of the white house. president trump was present. we were waiting to see if he would actually take questions because he has not done so in 17 days, and i'm just now told that he left. so 17 days no questions being taken by the president of the united states. just given everything that is happening, right, the numbers don't lie. the president lost the election definitively. he is behind in theop