hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining us this hour. we are following three big stories. first, promising news in the quest for a coronavirus vaccine. astrazeneca says late stage trials show its vaccine is on average 70% effective. this is the third drug maker to report positive results that's following pfizer and moderna. that encouraging news comes

against the backdrop of just more terrible news. the u.s. is now in the worst month of the crisis. more than a quarter of the total coronavirus cases have come in the month of november. and millions of people, as we are seeing, are looking past cdc guidelines and are traveling for the thanksgiving holiday week. there are big moves coming also in the presidential transition. president-elect joe biden is expected to announce his first cabinet picks tomorrow. cnn has learned that biden is expecting to nominate tony blinken as the next secretary of state. with also the legal losses piling up for the trump campaign and absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud, more republicans are speaking up and stepping up. speaking up about president trump's attempts to overturn the election. listen to this. >> the legal team has been a national embarrassment. >> we're beginning to look like we're a banana republic.

it's time for them to stop the nonsense. it just gets more bizarre every single day. frankly i'm embarrassed more people in the party aren't speaking up. >> the voters have spoken. here in michigan it was a 154,000 vote margin by president-elect biden. no one has come up with any evidence of fraud or abuse. it's over. >> still, that is so few votes relatively speaking and how many republicans are sitting by still silently watching this play out. to is a criminal day in two key states, michigan and most counties in pennsylvania should be certifying their election results today. michigan's election board will meet in less than two hours from now. while this would normally be a routine, nonpartisan, not really talked about step in the process, everyone is watching this closely now with at least one of the republicans on the board signaling that he's going to vote against certifying

results, which could have wild ripple effects still in that state. cnn's diane gallagher is following all of that for us. she's live in lancing, michigan. what are you hearing about today? >> reporter: so, you know, kate you kind of nailed it, this is supposed to be a mundane procedural vote that happens without much fanfare, if any fanfare. right now i have my mask on because we're having protesters starting to arrive, stop the steal, and there's also a certify the results caravan that's supposed to be happening right now. trying to convince these four members of the board of canvassers to do what they say they should be doing. here's the thing. it's a two members are republicans, two members are democrats. you mentioned there is that one democrat -- one republican, excuse me, who has told people, i don't think i'm going to certify because i still want there to be an investigation. that means all eyes are on the other gop member of this four-person board because at

least three members must vote in favor of certification for it to happen. now here's the thing. that gop member has told people he wants there to be more investigation done into potential voter fraud or abnormalities, but no evidence has actually been presented of what he's talking about. he says he wants to see what's going on. according to the secretary of state, the election must be certified in order for them to investigate or do a recount or do an audit because that grants the state access to the voter logs and things of that nature. so we're seeing these two not necessarily agreeing theories here. one of which is rooted in the law, the secretary of state says, so they have to certify. if they deadlock it goes to the courts most likely, to the court of appeals and if they can't get a judge to force them to certify it could go up to the state supreme court. after that it gets murkier, but

it could go to the legislation at that point. >> thank you, diane. joining me now is someone who knows a lot about that, jeff timer, a republican who's a former member of michigan's state board of canvassers, now a senior adviser to the lincoln project. thanks for coming on. what do you think is going to happen today? >> i think this is turning into a circus, complete with clowns but to most people clowns are funny but to a lot of people they're scary and i think we need to be scared about what could take place today. >> it is unknown, it depends on how people are going to vote. do you foresee this being delayed further or do you -- does your gut tell you this is going to get wrapped up and there's going to be a 3-1 or 4-0 vote in favor of certification? what do you think? >> all the evidence before us says this is going to be a

deadlocked vote. which is unlawful. the republicans on the board, as well as the democrats has a legal obligation to certify, and the two republicans are attorneys, officers of the court. if they don't vote to certify they're taking an unlawful vote. >> you're not talking about just some people. you know these people. like norman shrinkle is one of the two republicans on the canvassing board, the one we've been talking about signaling he is going to vote to delay, vote against certifying the results today. you know him, you've served on that board with him. what do you think his game is here? >> i can't even begin to answer that. this board has no investigatory power. they have no ability to look into any allegations of fraud or misconduct. that's for the criminal justice system, not this board. this board is effectively at this point a rubber stamp that needs to certify the results before anything else can take place. >> have you had a chance to

speak with him? >> i have not. i know many people that have and he indicated he's not likely to vote in favor of certification. he'll probably have to answer to the bar association for that. >> do you think he should? >> i think he should. he has to certify. it's his obligation. he has a sworn oath to do so. >> when you say he should answer to the bar association, are you saying he should lose his license? >> well, sanctions are definitely possible. the court has held canvassers in contempt before when they failed to do their duty. as a lawyer, i would be worried about that. >> now, look, joe biden won michigan by more than 150,000 votes yet the president and his team they are trying to delay the reality as we can see. at least in part, part of the reason is fund-raising. the president is funding his own post white house political life, his leadership pack by saying

he's raising money to fund the legal challenges. he's fund-raising off of these legal challenges. if that is the reason he continues to push, in michigan, what do you say to that, jeff? >> well, it's unconscionable. there are no legal actions in michigan but there are people who think there are. and he is, he's fleecing his followers for more money to pay the debts from the campaign. and it really is unconscionable because he's threatening the rule of law and the faith in the elections. we had an election in michigan. it wasn't even close. biden won by a margin 15 times greater than trump won four years ago. it's been over since wednesday, november 4th, and it's time to move on p. >> the way you put it, it seems like it's pretty cut and dry. but the way that it's playing out is anything but cut and dry. how is this going -- what kind

of long-term damage do you think is going to be had on election -- the electoral process in michigan or how people view elections in your important state? >> well, what we're finding is that, you know, a solid majority of those who voted for trump think the election is being stolen from them, that's nonsense. it's going to undermine faith in democracy. people need to accept there are winners and losers in an election and sometimes their side loses. you move on and fight the next election. that's what they should be doing now. >> jeff, please come back on. i'm interested to hear your take when we find out how this vote ends up and we look at what's next. thank you. >> thank you. let's get back to president-elect joe biden's transition. he's expected to announce his first cabinet picks tomorrow. joining us now is arlette saenz. secretary of state, the person fourth in line to succession to

the presidency, hugely important, what are you hearing? >> we're expecting president-elect joe biden to pick his secretary of state tomorrow, and it's expected he will not name tony blinken, someone who's been a long-time foreign policy adviser to joe biden over the years going back to his time in the senate. also served as a deputy secretary of state. so he brings a deep bench of experience to the biden administration with his role in past foreign policy and diplomatic posts. what you have biden doing here with a pick like tony blinken is turning to someone with decades of experience and also has worked closely with biden so understands what his world view and approach to foreign policy will be as biden has said that one of his key priorities in the early days of his administration

will be trying to rebuild those relationships with allies around the world. >> what other posts are expected to be announced tomorrow? >> we're also expecting that biden will name his picks for the ambassador to the u.n. as well as his national security advisor. for the national security advisor role, the leading contender is jake sullivan, someone who has worked with biden on foreign policy and domestic policy and also served in the state department alongside hillary clinton. and then for the u.n. ambassador job, the leading contender is linda thomas-greenfield, someone with decades of experience in foreign service and also a woman of color. so her nomination, if biden decides to go that way, would lend diversity to the top officials in biden's administration. and our colleague, jeff zeleny is reporting that president-elect joe biden is also expected to name his treasury secretary after the thanksgiving holiday. and it's expected to be a historic decision as he is

looking to name the first woman to lead the treasury department. two of the women under consideration there are janet yellow and leigh brainard. biden is making it clear he is moving forward with his transition and filling out his administration even as president trump has refused to concede the election. >> arlette, thank you so much. coming up for us, promising news on a third major coronavirus vaccine. plus the most people traveling since the start of the pandemic and that is just the start of this holiday week. what is this week going to mean for the country? when i was in high school, this was the theater i came to quite often. the support we've had over the last few months has been amazing. it's not just a work environment. everyone here is family. if you are ready to open your heart and your home, check us out. we thought for sure that we were done.

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away, coronavirus cases and hospitalizations unfortunately are surging across the country. sunday saw more than 142,000 new cases. the highest for any sunday since the pandemic began. the situation in the u.s. is now much worse than in europe just for some perspective. at least ten states now average as many or more cases per capita than the hardest hit european countries. it's wild. and we are just starting this holiday week, of course, and the scenes at airports are making it clear that people are not staying home. the tsa is reporting the highest number of people passing through airports since the pandemic began. while that is troubling news, there's encouraging news on the horizon. drug maker astrazeneca announcing the results from large scale clinical trials of its vaccines. let's start there. elizabeth cohen is joining me now. what are you hearing about this vaccine?

>> this vaccine is indeed effective. if we think for a minute about how the fda was asking for the vaccines to be at least 50% effective, that's all they were asking for, so to come up with 70 is indeed good news. but i will qualify that saying this is early data and not complete data. let's look at what astrazeneca found and how it contrasts with what two other companies found in the last few weeks. astrazeneca found their vaccine was 70% effective based on the study of about 12,000 participants. moderna did 30,000 people and found an effective rate of 94.5%. pfizer got 95%, based on a 44,000 participant study. as you can see, astrazeneca did well but not as well as the other two, but astrazeneca hasn't finished its worldwide study yet. we're waiting to see more data. kate? >> then the question becomes quickly when can folks expect to

start getting vaccinated? >> that's what everyone wants to know. it depends who you are. let's look at a forecast with the caveat that fast forecasts are often wrong this is the future as outlooked by dr. fauci and dr. slowie. they're making no promises but this is the rough outlook they have. dr. fauci saying last week he thinks towards the latter half of december we'll see high risk people get vaccinated. that's the elderly, people with underlying medical issues, essential workers, health care workers. he said by the end of april he expects to see everybody else, people who don't fall into any particular group they would start to get vaccinated, those are low risk people and in may, dr. slowie thinks we will have immunized 70% of the u.s. population. this is prediction. predictions are often wrong, it might turn out better than this, may take longer that this.

but that's the outlook from two people involved and in charge of the entire process. kate? >> thank you, i appreciate it. i want to bring in epidemiologist dr. larry bridge, he spent his career fighting epidemi epidemics, including his work with the w.h.o. to fight smallpox. good to see you. now potentially having three vaccines that are safe and effective and could get approval soon, what should that mean for people? >> thanks, kate. nice to see you. well, you know, it's a moment, it's like the tale of two cities, it's the best of times because three vaccines are better than one, the newest entry, astrazeneca, does not require refrigeration. that's terrific if you're talking about a global vaccination program, which we'll need in order to throw covid into the dust bin of history. i'm not so worried about a 70%

vaccine efficacy, given enough time i think that can be improved as we learn more. so it's the best of times also because we have antibody treatments. it's the best of time for learning how to treat people in hospitals. but kate, it's the worst of times as we go into the thanksgiving season. i'm very worried about the next few months. it's going to be a very difficult time. >> let me pull up some of those pictures again that we've shown from airports across the country as you're talking about what you're worried about. when you see the pictures, that looks like a normal airport in normal times. we're not talking about normal times anymore. when you see this, what do you think it means for what is ahead? >> i immediately think about what happened in canada, our brothers and sisters in canada, of course, celebrate thanksgiving in october. and they celebrated much like we do, families around a table coming from all over in airports just like that. and they had an explosion of

cases in canada. i'm afraid that there will be nothing to stop the virus for the next couple of months because of thanksgiving holidays and then christmas and new year's. this is our holiday season. and that airport scene is what we expect. it's not just the travel on an airplane. it's not just the going through the airport, it's that we're going to be importing the disease risk that every one of those people are bringing from whatever state or county they're coming to us from. it's like a mix master. it's the worst thing we can do for people, it's very advantageous if you happen to be the virus. >> not what i want to hear. you recently spoke with wired magazine and i was struck by your prediction, your take, as you're describing now, on what the next few months could look like. at one point in your conversation you said it is going to get worse before it gets better like you're saying here, doctor.

you said, i see a period of time when we'll see refrigerated trucks in hospitals and not have a place in the morgues for the bodies that are going to show up. where are you going to put the bodies, where are you going to put patients? this is getting worse. >> i've seen it in my own personal life, family member mt. hospital and they're filling up, half full with covid patients at this point. it's terrifying for what that means for anyone that needs hospital care, even outside of covid related illness. is this inevitable? >> it's inevitable for the short time because we sort of built in the mistakes we made. we can't get back the two months we lost in march or april. we can't get back the four or five months of denial of how bad the disease is. i was born in detroit, michigan. i trained at a hospital in detroit, michigan. i saw the pictures back in the summertime of the hospitals in detroit where the hospital

capacity was overrun and the refrigerator trucks that were mobile morgues were used to move bodies around. yes, i worry with 80% plus of hospital capacity already taken and in some places it's reaching 90%, no beds left. we will inherit the wind. we will inherit the mistakes we made by not taking this virus as seriously as we should in the past. but the good news is right around the corner we have vaccines. as dr. cohen was speaking about it, there's good times ahead. we need to -- unfortunately we need to -- we need to make it through the next couple of months that are going to be very tough. it's important to be truthful with everyone so they understand what's coming and they'll make a better decision. maybe they'll have -- maybe all of us will have two thanksgivings next year instead

of a big family gathering this year. >> i'll take you up on that, a wonderful idea. something to look forward to once we get past this very troubling time. doctor thank you for coming on, i appreciate it. >> thank you, kate. coming up, two top pennsylvania officials, one republican, one democrat, on the trump campaign's attempts to disrupt and overturn the vote result there. what is going to happen in pennsylvania there today? we'll find out. at subway and minitron's got some new news! contactless curbside pickup is here! just tap for tasty in the app. and pickup contactless. cause it's safety first. right, tiny car? you wearing your seatbelt little man? subway. eat fresh.

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it's election certification day in pennsylvania. at least three counties, including allegheny county, which is home to pittsburgh, have certified the results so far this morning. most counties in the commonwealth are expected to sign off on final election results today. normally a routine, administrative task. but nothing of course is normal or routine these days. president trump's legal team is doing everything possible to overturn the result which has joe biden winning by 80,000 votes now they're appealing a judge's scathing decision from over the weekend which threw out

the lawsuit seeking to invalidate hundreds of thousands of votes in in the commonwealth. a bipartisan show of force joining me now, al schmidt and john fetterman. gentlemen, thank you for being here. today is a huge day. lieutenant governor how is today going to end? >> well, the way it started, with joe biden winning pennsylvania. our electoral votes are going to go to him. and the trump campaign is going to perhaps continue to lie about the conditions on the ground. but it's not going to change anything. you know, everyone knows how this movie is going to end, up to and including the president. >> commissioner this giuliani effort is one effort, then there's another state effort to stop certification from happening. is -- are these challenges impacting your willingness to

certify results in philadelphia today? >> well, let me start by saying happy certification day here in pennsylvania because philadelphia county will be certifying the election results later today. there's been no shortage of litigation. given its lack of merit, one can only assume it's intended to try to delay or disrupt things. but that is obviously not going to happen. >> so, commissioner, just quickly because there's been a lot of question, philadelphia will be certifying by the end of today? >> yes, i expect so, we will. >> woohoo! >> lieutenant governor, the appeal by -- i guess on that, what does that mean? because this has been a long haul. so philadelphia and all of the counties will be certified by the end of the day, is what i assume, lieutenant governor? go ahead, lieutenant governor. >> yeah. i want to talk to the other

lawsuit. let's assume one in a 10,000 chance it's successful in failing to certify our legislature terms expire on november 30th. we won't have a legislature, our entire state house will not be able to take office and half our senate, which are both controlled by republicans. so if they want to strike at the heart of joe biden and democrats, they are literally dismantling their power structure within pennsylvania. it's a circular firing squad. it's illogical. i think that's how effective they've been throughout this whole case. but to commissioner schmidt's point, they're going to certify, the other counties are going to certify. luzerne county certified. the two republicans refused to certify, which is astounding because donald trump won by a big margin. if you're claiming the results

can't be trusted and your candidate won, they need to go back to the drawing board on that one. >> lieutenant governor, quickly. this gets to what is the motivation because these long shot legal challenges are even, as one person described it to me, it's kind to call them long shots because they're just not going to happen. one thing that we do know is that the president is funding his post white house political life. his like leadership pack, his white house slush fund by raising money on these legal challenges. if that is what is driving this, what do you say to that? >> every one of these quote/unquote challenges is a hail mary when there's no time on the clock. literally. it's one thing to have a hail mary when there's 5 seconds on the clock but they're still trying to do hail marys and the stands are empty, everyone went

home. commissioner schmidt knows it, he's a hero, he's a republican who stood up and spoke truth to power this whole episode and working to make sure that philadelphia certifies today, that is -- again, pennsylvania is in his debt. >> commissioner on that, you have rudy giuliani he went after philadelphia specifically in that off the rails press conference talking about so much voter fraud in your city you could fill a library and more things we know are not based in fact. but this type of baseless allegation coming at you specifically has come at great cost to you personally. we talked about your family has been threatened and you need security now. so with that, what would you say to all of the republicans, especially in washington, who are standing by silently watching this happen and knowing better? >>. >> i'm an elected official in

philadelphia and i knocked on a lot of doors in my life and one thing i learned along the way is that people want to be told the truth and people don't want to be lied to. and it's important, i think, for all of us to stop giving any credence to these lies. there's been so much disagreement this entire election cycle, there's been so much litigation, but one thing all these federal judges have agreed on, whether they're democrats or conservative republicans, is that these allegations have no merit and no ba basis in fact whatsoever. >> commissioner, do you think damage has been done though? that's part of the motivation in general, right, just create chaos and sow doubt. do you think that damage is done? >> i think that's the biggest concern of all. it's not who won this election or who lost this election. or anything like that. i think ultimately my biggest

concern, and something that does keep me up at night, is that there is damage done to our electoral system, which is the foundation of our republic. and it's a great price to pay over what? it's not worth it. >> look, and to both of you, i venture to guess that you two disagree on quite a lot when it comes to policies and lots of other things when it comes to politics. lieutenant governor you're a democrat. al schmidt you're a republican and you agreed to come on to have the conversation. what is the message you want to send in doing that? >> the message i want to send is pennsylvania's election was free, fair, open, and the results a true. i speak on behalf of the commonwealth that we owe individuals like commissioner schmidt a debt of gratitude for their tireless work through this entire process, particularly

commissioner schmidt who's under intense pressure and as you mentioned threats, to deliver a result that we know is absolutely 100% true. and that to me is the finest example of public service that i can point to in our commonwealth is stepping up and delivering truth. whatever it is. liking or not liking an election result is not fraud. it's simply not liking the result. and in a democracy, you're going to win some, you're going to lose some. but in pennsylvania we have a true relatsult, and i'm proud t work with commissioner schmidt and everyone, republican or democrat, across pennsylvania who thinks we can agree to disagree on some policies but we all collectively acknowledge the truth and that is that pennsylvania had a free, fair and absolutely accounting of its democratic will. >> lieutenant governor r, thank you. commissioner, good to see you

again. thank you for coming on. >> you as well. coming up, the big financial reasons behind the president's efforts to keep fighting the election results as we were just discussing, keep fighting the election results in court and the reason having nothing to do with this election.

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president trump has no public events on his schedule today. that's been the case for 15 of the past 20 days since the election. the president is facing mounting legal losses as we've been discussing as he fights to overturn the election results. his attorneys losing in court and withdrawing from cases left and right, at least 30 cases so far. 30 cases. and now, infighting among his legal team. the president's lawyers distancing themselves from attorney sidney powell over the weekend. john harwood is at the white house, he's joining me right now. john, what is going on here? >> reporter: kate the first thing to remember is president trump's lawyers have no case. he lost the election, it was not close. so without evidence, without a plausible theory, you have lawyers going out and making

frivolous made up, shameless, bad conspiracy theory claims about the election. what lawyers are willing to make those claims? frivolous, bad, crazy, shameless lawyers. we're discovering now in the case of sidney powell there can be too much crazy for the team because they're around roallyin republicans and sidney powell suggested republicans were in on it, that was too much so they disavowed her in a public statement. >> talk to me about what the point is, the driving motivation behind it possibly, we've been talking about it throughout the show but help folks understand it. what is going on in terms of why the president, one of the reasons the president would want to continue prolonging the legal fight. >> what the president is doing is showing us what his niece, mary trump, a psychologist was

explaining in her book about him, which is he is not a psychologically healthy adult he has the emotional makeup of a small child. he cannot handle the fact he's lost the election. that's why he's not taking questions, it's embarrassing, humiliating for him. so rather than take his toys and leave the field, he's going out and trying to break joe biden's toys except it's not toys it's the united states government in the middle of a pandemic. the other thing the president is doing is figuring out an angle for himself which is raising money for his future political endeavors through his super pac so the combination of spite, trying to hurt joe biden, hiding from embarrassment and also trying to collect as much money as possible for what he wants to do politically, that explains the moment that we're in. >> it's a good window into what could be driving all of this. a lot of people should pay attention to it. good to see you, john, thank you. >> you bet. >> coming up, despite the cdc

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across the country, thousands of college students are heading home for thanksgiving break. as they do, they're facing tough guidance coming from the cdc, which has laid out that anyone, even college students who have not been living in your household for the past 14 days should not be considered members of the household as relates to

coronavirus, meaning extra precautions, including wearing a mask inside your own home may be necessary. tough guidance. if you look at the numbers, the situation today is far worse than when the very same students left for school at the end of the summer. it is a different ball game. what threat do college students pose for it now, what have colleges been doing about it? joining me now, a professor at davidson college, founding director of the college crisis initiative which tracks how colleges are responding to the pandemic. chris, testing is a key factor, of course, here. how many colleges you're looking at are actually doing testing? >> so most colleges are doing some sort of testing, but colleges that are doing the best kind, the highest quality, the tests that test every student at least once or twice a week is only about 7% of colleges and universities in the country. when you look at thanksgiving,

prethanksgiving exit testing, testing students before they go home so they know whether or not they're infected before sitting across thanksgiving dinner table from grandparents, that's around 15 to 30% of institutions total. >> those stats are really troubling. 7% are testing weekly. for the schools that don't have these robust programs at this point, what do they tell you, why don't they? >> well, quite frankly it is a matter of cost. high quality tests, testing every single student, those tests cost about $100 per test per student, when you have a student body population like university of georgia or university of michigan, you're talking about 20, 30,000 tests per week. that's extraordinarily expensive and difficult logistically to pull off. >> tug and pull. students want to be back on campus, families want the experience, but it is so expensive to test all of them.

it is really very hard. you talked about 15% of the schools you are tracking have been offering exit testing as students would be heading home. what does this mean for thanksgiving and so many students heading home now? >> we know from research in the initiative and other co-authors at university of greensboro and indiana university, when students move one place to another, when they have that mobility, they bring the virus with them. saw the beginning of semester when they moved from high coronavirus case counties into college towns, we could see spread around 3,000 cases per day nationally. what we are looking at is a group of population of 18 to 24-year-olds when they leave campus will likely bring coronavirus with them to the counties. unless they are conformed, have

knowledge to not make that travel. with college testing at the level we would like to see them testing, it is extraordinarily difficult for public health officials to understand where the virus is going to spread and could cause significant damage around families during thanksgiving. >> hence, why we are seeing tough guidance from the cdc. >> exactly. >> really important information that you're tracking. thank you so much, chris. really appreciate it. so we just found out philadelphia county is going to certify its election results today. that's pretty much the ball game in pennsylvania. what's going to happen in the other state everyone is watching today? that's next. kids, what do you want for lunch? pizza. tacos. pizza! what about subway? it's a good call and everyone loves it. we raised our kids on it. so it stopped the bickering? (mocking tone) "mom, jj's copying me!" grow up. mom! knock it off! try the new subway buffalo chicken or bbq chicken.

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