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get, i will take that. just so the biden and harris team getting the information we need. congresswoman demings. >> thank you. >> thank you so much for all of you, anderson starts right now. all right, breaking news. joe biden won. again. john berman here for anderson. it is crystal clear that joe biden won for two weeks and was the president-elect. the voters knew it and the courts new it and the states knew it and even republicans knew it. tonight is different and will constitute a major development. the trump administration admits it and ascertain it. a story that cnn broke a short time ago, they have finally ascertained that joe biden won the white house, the green light officially to begin his
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transition to the presidency. this opens up public money for the biden's team and it means that biden can speak to national security officials and as well as public health officials battling the coronavirus. as we noted biden's win that is been for a couple weeks now. tonight the gsa sided with the trump trump campaign argument. tonight shortly after biden won michigan again, gsa had emily murphy issued a one and a half page. >> i was never directly or in drelk directly pressured by my exec
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ti executive branch officia official-including. president trump almost immediately chimed in and claimed credit for the decision despite murphy says she came to her decision independently so it seems like someone is lying there. he tweeted, "i recommend that emily do what needed to be done and told my team to do the same." the president likely did not write it himself. this may be the closest to a concession statement that we would ever get. some where out there rudy giuliani is burning the midnight oil or melting the midnight grease. this is a milestone and tonight the biden's team is reacting. calling it a needed step to begin tackling the challenges facing our nation. jim acosta is joining us from
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the white house with the latest. jim, why did this happen finally tonight? how does the president feel about it? what's going on here? >> reporter: we are trying to piece together why this is happening tonight. i think there is a big reason why in the state of michigan, you have officials certifying results of that election. this election is only heading in one direction and that's the direction of president-elect joe biden. the president did tweet and as you saw earlier this evening saying that he recommended to people hearing from the gsa. one of those add vvisers saying there you go, that's over and the president essentially conceding here. so at this point, john, you and i both know all too well, the
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president can still play games with this. he has a couple of months left in office. this may be as close as you were saying a few moments ago to a concession conceded by the president. >> so what then for the president's legal team. what are they going to do now? every time they're doing something, they're getting beaten down by judges across the country. >> it has been a beat down from the beginning. i talked to my sources about this earlier today. as one advisers put it it is s end of the road for the president. he's getting beaten time and again and pennsylvania was another challenge to the commonwealth and supreme court there and the justice ruled that absentee ballots can be counted in that state in places that are favorable to joe biden. this has been over so many times. we can't count how many times it has been over. another sign this is over the president is not only souring on people like sidney powell, some
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of the people on his legal team were thrown under the bus and rudy giuliani. i talked to trump's adviser is the president is getting tired of rudy giuliani and this adviser says we all are. at this point even inside the president's legal team they view this election is over and these challenges are over and one adviser i spoke to this evening, the president tweeting of fighting on is a fund raising point. john. >> well, that's interesting in of itself. jim acosta at the white house. thank you very much. magg maggie haberman and david axelrod and david bergen, cnn political analyst. maggie, first to you, what's going on behind the scenes at the white house tonight? >> so you know this very well of a push-pull president getting him towards something.
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several advisers have been urging him a few days and really this morning, you got to send a signal that you are not blocking transition. this is how we do this in this country. it needs to move forward. you don't have to say the word concede which you know that he didn't say. i don't think he'll ever say it. there is another conversation throughout the day including with rudy giuliani again. as much of people complaining of rudy giuliani, he still is the president's ear. that's important to know. it is not just a fund raising point. you may see resurgence of lawsuits. there is a recognition that the dominos are fallen in terms of the michigan's certification, that was key to emily murphy moving ahead with this. she did write her letter in a way that was clearly designed to not offend president trump. she did not refer to joe biden as president-elect at any point, she talked about threats of
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herself. i think a lot of different things that's going on here. mostly going on is the beginning of the end. >> was and legally ascertain and freezing up the money. >> the letter accomplished legally, something that the biden team has been making the case it was outrageous that it had been held up this long and it is not surprising that they have not made that case. that letter was written at least enough audience in mind. >> this was more or less as much of a concession as we'll ever get from president trump? >> absolutely. >> he'll probably take a step back in another direction when he watches the news coverage but it won't matter. the government's funding should be available to the president-elect team is moving ahead. >> david axelrod, more of a sigh of relief. everyone knew that joe biden won
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the election. they internalized that already. this is the end of the fight. this is when the work finally begins. >> i can't speak for all democrats because they are a nervous species. there may still be hand reading until january 20th at noon. clearly this was -- it does not matter what donald trump says. it matters what can be done in terms of a transition that allows joe biden to coordinate in his team with people across the government. that was the step that was crossed today. i want to point something out. maggie talked about the letter that emily murphy wrote and her legitimate concerns about her own safety. let's be clear who put her in jeopardy and this is the other element of what the president is doing by suggesting somehow that the election was stolen without
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any evidence and suggesting this was some sort of soft coup that was going on. the president riled up his base and put her in a position if she did what her duty required which was recognize the obvious fact that joe biden was going to be the next president that she would be committing an act of betrayal. this is a real danger of what the president is doing. he's going to hand joe biden a country more divided and in an election that is clearly won by joe biden. >> elected officials and secretaries of state and people doing their civic duty to make sure the election getting run in the right way and i should say because of the cover. as some politicians given him over the last nearly three
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weeks. what do they do? we see republicans and senators oh, never mind the president-elect. forget everything i said before. it really is on. >> now you know republicans have acted miserably for the most part. they should understand that yes the president has done the right thing by allowing this to go forward. that's vital that this president tell his base and the whole country that he believes joe biden is a legitimate president and he is not put there by fraud. democrats have every reason to resent what he's done.
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they'll neither forgive and forget these last couple of weeks unless he makes it clear that joe biden is the legitimate president of the united states. >> david, axe axelrod, i saw yo smirking there. >> hei would defer to maggie the for the expert of trump. he's going to claim that he won 3 million votes. his makeup does not allow for him to concede defeat. it does not allow for him to take a step upgrade of patriotism or acknowledge this moment. he won't do it. it is tragic but that's donald trump. >> what about that maggie? is president trump going to invite joe biden over for tea
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and melania having jill on a ride? >> joe biden is unlike most of other income presidents. he does not need a tour of the white house. he's been doing this for decades and he served in the administration for eight years. he does care about transition and he does care about tradition. i agree with david that democrats are angry of things that president trump won't do. i agree with david axelrod that the president is not going to do it. i don't think joe biden takes it personally or considers it to be vital to him. he's cares about what he's going to do. biden has been clear of the last two years to give him credit for this on how donald trump will act in those cases and i don't
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think he'll become somebody else. >> mitch mcconnell should pick up the phone tonight. a guy that works with joe biden for decades. >> i am glad you pointed that out. it is a funeral. there was only one republican senator and that's mitch mcconnell. i agree that trump would do such a thing and as to say that joe biden is legitimate. democrats are not going to walk away from this issue. they believe that he's sent to office by fraud by donald trump. just not allowing to sit out there while we get him to change so why don't he just move on? what he is doing is unacceptable. >> maggie haberman, i want to thank you for your reporting. david axelrod, stick around, we
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have much more on what this breaking news for joe biden to set his agenda for a little less than two months being sworn in as the 46th president. we'll have the latest on his campaign and the other big news of a third vaccine. what this news means and americans ignored of the cdc's warning of gathering for thanksgiving. ♪
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the trump administration finally given joe biden's team the green light to begin transitioning. emily murphy ascertained that biden has won. biden writes "today's decision is a needed step to begin tackling the challenges facing our nation, encolluding getting pandemic and things under control." they got a whole lot of news with a whole lot of picks filling up his cabinet.
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>> john, that's the strategy here. as this transition is working out and the pennsylvania and michigan case is happening. that was moving for r waing for. clearly trying to keep all of us busy and putting out a lot of new cabinet members and some of them are quite interesting. the symbolism is so striking. the substance is different with these cabinet picks over the trump administration. the symbolism of so many of these. tony blinken traveled with him for nearly 20 years. they're certainly friends and ready to do the job. alejandro mayorkas. he's the first latino immigrant who's in charge o f the agency that handles immigration policies. on and on as you see the list
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there. clearly the biden administration had these ready to go. they have been working on transition over the last few weeks. they were not expecting necessarily though this gsa ascertainment letter to come tonight. many were surprised. >> these picks, a lot are making history, jim. >> they do indeed. some history making choices. they are elevated from other jobs of the biden administration into the top roles. let's take a look at some of them. the department of homeland security, this is an agency created after 9/11. it is in charge of the nation's immigration policy. the choice for this is alejandro mayorkas, a former department of secretary of homeland security. he's an immigrant to this country. he would be sending a powerful statement here and he was in charge of daca.
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these are many things and in their own biography, they'll change policies here. moving onto the intelligence community, few more important jobs than dni. this also was a deposition created after 9/11, centralize of all the intelligence. this is the first woman leading this agency, avril hanes. she worked also on the set of relations. someone with deep experience inside the government here. we are not talking about former governors or senators who often fill these posts. these are people with deep experience. john kerry, not a new name or an old name. he's going to be the climate change envoy, clearly shining a light and how important it is.
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and a national security . when he's traveling around the world, you know he'll have biden's words. and finally janet yellen. she would be the first woman to lead the treasury department. she was the chair of the federal reserve back in 2014. she has been confirmed. she came from san francisco and of course was on the san francisco feds. i noticed that elizabeth warren was mentioned for that, she tweeted her support for her tonight. all of these nominees are with one thing in mind, they think they can get confirmed in the senate even if it is a republican senate. all of these are by design, they
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can hit the ground running and can be confirmed. he'll be introducing all of these security picks tomorrow. >> especially now we have ascertainment, it changes everything. jeff zellny, thank you so much for being with us. back with us, david axelrod and david gergen. you know a lot of people, you know them. how does it strike you? >> they're all people of deep experience. they are people who have grown up in the national security world. they have people who are close to biden and worked with him on foreign policy issues. when tony blinken travels the world, people will know he'll speak for the president of the united states because they know
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how close their relationship is. tony has been secretary department of state and security adviser for years. he was biden's top staffer and jake sullivan, the national security add vizviser at the wh house was a top aid to hillary clinton at the state department also. deep ties both to foreign policies and biden and all of them share a philosophy of engagement in the world of strengthening alliances of using alliances to improve american security and prospects and it was interesting that jim mattis wrote an article that was published today where she urged the foreign policy of the country to move in that direction. finally i would say diversity. the president-elect has promised
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diversity. this is a historic slate of candidates. janet yellen and so on in terms of gender and ethic and background and mayorkas at dhs. a slate that's consistent of what joe biden promised as a candidate. >> depth in diversity. secretary of state here. what are the challenges do you think he'll face? >> i think the main thing is represent the president around the world. i can't imagine - somebody is going to need to come out and talk to leaders and he does speak for biden.
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that gives him a lot more power and leverage. he's a very decent guy. i think there is going to be strength. the democrats have such a deep edge in foreign policy. you find real excellence, i think joe biden has chosen that group. diversity is not just about having more women but people of color. keeping the two wings to his party aligned, john kerry, somebody he's close to already. they talk a lot already. john kerry is has enormous respect within the community and the environmental movement. that movement is tieing in with
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the progressives and the democratic party. he'll help keeping things knitted together. janet yellen, homeland security, i think overall especially in contrast to this administration which has been chaotic. this represents a thoughtful set of aides. a group that cares about the environment and relations. >> struck me that janet yell lolen got the endorsement of elizabeth warren there. >> david axelrod and david gergen, thank you very much. with the biden's
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breaking news tonight, the gsa finally allowed president-elect to begin the process of transition. president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani, the same lawyer repeatedly claimed with no evidence of ballot county
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problems admits he exaggerated some of his comments. >> the only place worse is michigan and particularly the city of dedetroit. the city of detroit having more voters than citizens. i am exaggerating but all you have to do is look at statistical data and you can see fraud was rapid and out of control. >> i am exaggerating a bit says rudy giuliani. that says a lot. joining us now is rick san toru and s.e. cupp. they somehow found the courage to speak up and discuss the results of the election. your thoughts on this?
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>> for the past four years we especially in the media have heard republicans in private are xyz, disgusted and disturbed and troubled. except in these moments does not count where everyone is doing it. i think fact if i write another book, i will call it "in private." the great cowardness alculus of gop. republicans have been scared that trump is going to run a bunch of scam packs to try to primary republicans who were not officially trumpy to soothe his own ego. secondly, i think republicans have been so unmasculated by
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this president that they lost their identity. they're like teenagers about to go off to college. for 18 years their parents told them what to say and think and all of a sudden they have to make their own decisions. republicans are wakiing up to that reality. well, trump is going to be gone and they'll have to rediscover who they are and what they think and believe in again without someone like trump telling them who they are and where to go. >> what does rudy giuliani has been saying and cindy powell of donald trump. how did their performance aff t affected republican ability to
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embrace the president right now? >> i think most people look at rudy and sidney powell differently than sort of the main trust of what have the legal team have been doing. i talk to a lot of republicans across the country. i think most people, most republicans feel that voter fraud israel and certainly not on the scale that's alleged by rudy giuliani and powell. there were a lot of concerns before this election and the impact it had on elections. most republicans are encouraging that we take a serious look at security features and look at these information. i don't think anybody is carried away. i think there is going to be a
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lot of action after this election to talk about of these changes and the way we -- we have election weeks and months and instead of election day. a lot of republicans will have to cheer the president to bring this to light so we can do something after this election is settled. >> rick, the election was stolen is not the identity, the under line identity of the republican party. it can't be if that's what you are saying the republican party is now. the republican party -- >> i don't think it is. >> it had an identity. for trump that identity included against raising deficit or tariffs and protectism and pro-family. there were a lot of things that republicans i know, like me believed in that were completely morphed into whatever he said it should be once he got in
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congress. republicans went along and locked steps with trump. when he's gone, they have to decide who they are again. they can be the party of trump even when he's gone or have this moment of reckoning and remember all the stuff they believed in before he told them not to. >> as the person writing "blue collar extensi collar conservatives." i agree with the changes donald trump made and ability to go out there and bring back -- >> and raise the deficit? >> no. i said most of the things. i didn't agree with everything donald trump did. he is focus on working men and women and fighting for low income americans is something that the republican party should be all about. i think that's one of the
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listens he d reasons. it is not who he is but what he stood for. >> hopefully republican party will learn for that and be the party for america again. >> this is the question it will be. in the post-trump presidency that we'll enter in 58 days. >> that's out there from a trump's appointee. >> i am not talking about the security. i am talking about you know what happens, he was talking abo about -- >> and also not cheating. he was talking about the ballots being counted in valid. s.e.cupp and senator santorum, thank you very much. >> all this as another vaccine
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numbers surrounding pandemic could not be more alarming. more than 148,000 covid-19 cases reported along with 667 deaths. this is a tsa report over more
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than 3 million travelers went through check points this weekend. a lot of people on the road, all despite the center for disease control urging people not to travel for thanksgiving. also news from astra seneca is at least 70% effective. i want to start with you with the breaking news. ascertainment, president-elect joe biden finally able to get the funds. >> i don't have any news to report in terms of transition activities per se. it has only been a couple of hours. i can tell you we are absolutely
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relieved that the idea that we can move forward with our work which is frankly work of saving lives. there is a lot of work ahead of us. we are happy to be able to move forward. >> a virtual meeting is held today discussing who will receive the vaccine, you attended this. what did you learn? >> they did not take a formal vote. healthcare workers are first in line along with people working at nursing homes and nursing home residents also and the next group is likely essential workers, people who keep our organization and society working. the average persons, a lot of those people are people of color and come from lower socio-economic stratus and those are people who have been affected by the virus. that's very important. then after that, people who are
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age 65 or older, severely affected by the virus and people with underlying illnesses. that's the way it is going to go. it will stretch over months. we can't vaccinate 330 million people in a week and a half. >> d >> what are the arguments against it is that these residents are frail and you will have a higher mortality rate in these facilities to begin with. that could erode confidence in the vaccine early on. what did you think of that? >> well, ultimately you have to focus on who's truly at the highest risk and protect that population and that does include the nursing home population. it is incumbent on us to do a good job preparing the public and appropriate messaging. even if we are not in the middle
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of a pandemic and not vaccinating these people, some of these people would die of natural causes. we need to give people a sense of here is what we should expect and what would be normal and not to jump the gun and assume that because somebody gets sick and dies, that's related to the vaccine. >> dr. schaffner, i want to talk about thanksgiving. my kids were in class today and they were telling me half their kids in their school were out because they are quarantining and getting ready for thanksgiving. on the one hand, oh, they're being careful. half of the family in the school are still planning to have big gatherings. what are your concerns? what do people need to know? >> that gives me heartburn because i am very concerned that people gathering together for a
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long period of time, very intimate lay-ly in doors is the of environment in this this virus wants to spread. that's inherently dangerous. this is a covid thanksgiving. if we are careful of this thanksgiving, the people who we love will be with us during the next thanksgiving in 2021. this is the one where we should show a lot of restraints and caution. >> dr. gounder, i see you nodding approval there. you have seen pictures of crowded airports the last few days. people are on the road and on the move. >> it has me very worry. this is a thanksgiving and you should be celebrating in your household bubble. that can be a household bubble of family or roommates. this is a moment where we need to make short term sacrifices for the long-term benefit or our family and friends and kids.
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>> dr. schaffner, back to the vaccine a minute, what's the biggest challenge in getting this out and convincing people to take it when the time comes? >> john, it has everything to do with trust. people are concerned with safety, they are afraid we are cutting corners. data are going to be examined carefully, one from the fda and one from the cdc. if we release this vaccine and say that it is safe and effective, we are going to demonstrate that and some of us have to take it to say yes, we go gotten it and we have to provide reassurance information >> thank you both for what you do and thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> so it really does sound like
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again tonight president-elect biden has finally received word from the gsa that his transition can formally begin. in florida there are questions about three state senate races. there was a candidate that did no campaigning and held no fundraisers. instead, there is evidence to suggest they were shell candidates planted by dark money. the allegation is their presence in the race was meant to take votes from democratic candidates. >> it was the closest of racest.
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rodriguez lost his florida state senate seat by 32 votes. the republican challenger who won illiana garcia. but there was a third candidate in this race playing the role of spoiler. his name alex rodriguez, sharing the same last name as the democrat in the race and promoted as a liberal. alex rodriguez got more than 6,000 votes. jose rodriguez says the straw candidate cost him his seat by pulling away democratic votes. have you ever met him, seen him? >> i didn't even know what he looked like until after the race and investigative reporters chased him down. in district 9 democratic patricia lost to a republican by 2% of the vote. here once again no one ever saw the supposedly liberal third candidate. >> she had no website. she never participated in any of
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the debates or forums, never showed up anywhere. she wasn't even registered to vote until she filed. >> reporter: in these races and one other, ghost candidates in florida were supported by m mysterious pacs in mostly identical advertising mailers, making those candidates seem liberal. cnn has learned the people behind the mailers were all republicans. >> this was a new one for me. >> reporter: ben wilcox says no doubt someone running a dark money campaign impacted at least one state senate seat, possibly two. >> floriit's probably legal, buu know, it really shouldn't be. >> reporter: here's what we know. two brand-new political action committees registered on the same date at the same minute and one day later received a
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combined $550,000 in donations from the same company. the paperwork says the pacs were started by two young women whose social media is filled with pictures of beaches and boats, but cnn could find no evidence either of them or their pacs had ever been involved in politics. then on the very same day, both pacs paid the same printing money all of that $550,000 for the flyers. the printing company and one of the pacs are linked to this man, alex alvarado, a republican consultant and former republican congressional intern. the printing company has run out of this house owned by his mom and step dad. the pac started by a friend of his girlfriend's. and despite being involved in ghost candidate advertising with liberal and progressive ideas, every one of them is a registered republican. that even includes the ghost candidate alex rodriguez who was
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registered republican until this election and none of them are talking. >> we have been looking for alex. is he around? >> no. he'll be back tomorrow, though. >> that's actually alex rodriguez who lied here to a local tv reporter about his own identity. the money flowed into the pacs from one company registered in delaware as a corporation under the name richard alexander. >> what or who is proclivity? the trail ends here at a strip mall in atlanta, georgia. this is where pro clifty has a mailbox dropping. democrats are calling for an investigation into who paid for all of this. >> they don't run in order to win. they run in order to just try to siphon off votes. they don't have a campaign. they're ghosts. >> reporter: florida's republican senator campaign
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denies any knowledge of the mysterious money that helped in three of their races. what a piece of reporting there. i know you reached out to them. but when you say no one is talking, you mean the people who ran these pacs and even the ghost candidates? >> i'm telling you, not a one is talking. they are all shunning our questions. that includes anybody or anything that is behind that half million dollars in dark money, john. >> well, it tells you something, the silence. if this is all legal, i guess, what is to prevent it from happening again? >> you know, that is the big concern, that florida watchdog group is really concerned. this is a trend that will spread outside of florida across the u.s. we have seen spoiler candidates before, but we have never seen ghost spoiler candidates supported by this kind of dark money. listen, you know, florida is run by republicans. it will take republicans to find out who is behind this. right now, john, they're not showing the least bit of
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curiosity. >> drew griffin with the reporting and the receipts tonight. thanks so much, drew. a reminder, don't miss anderson's digital new show 6:00 p.m. eastern at cnn.com/fullcircle and on the cnn app at any time on demand. i hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time". >> welcome to primetime. we all have reason to be thankful tonight. the biden administration can finally start the job. the gsa lifted its revenge block that it had on behalf of trump. this is a victory for democracy. but the lesson is in how we got here. even this move is proof of what we must stomp out in our politics. the gsa head writes, i have always strived to do what's right. please know that i came to my decision independently based on the law and available facts.