so it was a day where president trump heath praise on cousin eddie from the vacation movies. a day when coronavirus sta tissices are reaching horrifying levels. a boy we got a look at how a biden administration will look, and sound. boy, that was a different. john berman here in for anderson. a first full day of the official government sanction transition, president-elect biden not only learned that he'll finally get

the daily briefings but he put his stamp on the executive office he'll inherit in less than two months. a roll out of picks for national security position and they all voiced a message, that donald trump lost and that america's first died on election day. this is how biden described it moments ago in a new interview with nbc news. >> america's back. we are ahead of the table once again. i spoken with 20 world leaders and they all are literally really pleased and somewhat excited that america is going to reassert its role in the world and be a coalition builder. >> america is back says the president-elect. keeping a modesty entire tone in today's affair in terms of style and substance and masks was a dark contrast from the current president.

vice president-elect kamala harris said we will be guided by facts. the nominee for national intelligence told biden, you selected us not to serve you but to serve on behalf of the american people. imagine any member of the current administration saying that to donald trump or any perspective member of any other in coming administration needing to say that at all. the distinction extended to the bios of the candidates themselves. diversity is one key theme. avril haines would be the first woman of head national intelligence and mayorkas to be the first latino and immigrant to head the department of homeland security. their personal backgrounds but their professional qualifications as well. that was biden today. now juxtapose all that with what we saw from president trump today. basically what voters saw the past four years, unhinged tweets and public appearances he took credit for the stock market performances but ignored the

long lines of food banks in america ahead of thanksgiving. like wise, he touted vaccine successes that are very real and promising but he ignored the increasing misery that the pandemic is causing. the number is staggering. deaths approaching 260,000. moments ago we set another new high in hospitalizations, more than 88,000. that's the 15th day of new highs. tonight alone more than 1500 new deaths reported. more than 137,000 new cases. the president ignored that and would lean into personal attacks, a jab at james mattis who co-authored an op-ed telling biden to act trump's america's first policy. add to that a long dead

venezuelan dictator, and what you have is a contrast in both style and substance and maybe one explanation why donald trump lost and joe biden won, crossing 80 million votes tonight. a 6 million vote edge and that's growing. the latest from cnn's jim acosta. we did hear from joe biden that the transition so far seems to be sincere. the outreach from the trump team biden says does seem sincere. how do you square that with the fact that the president continues to say that he will never concede the election? >> reporter: when you talk to white house officials, the only thing they'll say is we'll refer back to the president's tweets. the president has been tweeting that he's not going to concede the election. it is hard to square that circle. if you look at what's happening inside the federal government right now, that gives you indication that things are moving along. you have departments across the federal government in contact with the transition team. i talked to anthony fauci earlier this evening, he's talking to aides with the

biden's transition team. i talked to the white house adviser who said the president still has some unhelpful voices whispering in his ears. while we are seeing a peaceful transfer, by no means that is normal one. >> we did see the president a couple of times today. there were sort of bizarre appearances given that he began retweeting randy quaid. kunz eddie from the vacation moving. what are we going to see from the president over the next 57 day? what will he do or say or will he take questions? >> reporter: to quote cousin eddie, he once said, you don't really need the hamburger, hamburger helper does just fine. that is what you see. we are getting the hamburger helper. we are not getting the hamburger.

he's not taking questions about whether he's going to concede to joe biden or whether he's going to cooperate with a peaceful transfer of power. will he go to the biden's inauguration. i talked to a white house's official, at some point the president will take questions. he's keeping it suspense. fsh the reality tv executive producer at heart. make no mistake. this is a train left the station without the president on board but it is a transition that's happening whether the president likes it or not. >> thank you very much, kristine todd wittman. former epa administrator. and also former new jersey governor, david gergen, cnn's senior political analyst. david and governor, i just want to say, i don't think we can overlook the fact that president trump continues to try to overturn the results in the election. he is doing it in wisconsin. he did it in michigan. he did it in pennsylvania and trying to con prince legislature

to throw it the vote of the american people. that's still happening and is still happening. i don't think we can ever forget that. with that said, the transition itself does seem to be beginning, how can the two walk hand in hand? >> well, first of all, i am glad to be with you, john and christie. i think there are two different tracks that are going down here. one is can the trump administration succeed in court? and they have failed miserably. the second track is whether they could succeed in the public. we have evidence coming in that this country is deeply divided. we'll have to wait and see how people respond to biden's press conference today of the introduction of his national security folks. i thought it was very, very impressive, and normal times, it would help the president of the united states. i am going to be curious of people who have been supporting

trump or is there going to be continuing noises or new effort pushed. biden is getting off to a great start. it's hard to fathom. we have never been here before. >> how much can the transition itself or how much can the transition itself over shadow or push to the side the nonsense and the theatrics that we continue to see. >> the president is embarrassing himself. he's looking petty and irrelevant. every time joe biden is on president, you can hear people breathe a sigh of relief, we got a real person. we have somebody who is empathic, who cares, who knows thou do this job. yes, the current president is throwing up roadblocks. yes, he is inciting his base to always consider joe biden as a fraudulent president. about 85% of those who voted for

trump believe that if they still say takes the oath of office, it will be because of fraud. that's just very damaging to our basic fundamentals of the election. this is a free election, it was a fair election and it was a balance election. people throughout the country did their job. people came out and vote in record numbers. the state officials are doing their job every day. you are right, he's continuing to fight in court. there has been over 30 cases thrown out. he's won one minor one, i think that was reversed too in arizona. it's pathetic. it really is. unfortunately as david says it is going to be real. it is going to be apart of our politics forward. biden's personality, he projects the people he's appointing. they are saying that

the far left party is not happy with it but they can live with them. that's the key. these are people with experience and know what they are doing and they get on with their jobs no matter what the president tries to do. both of up mentioned the president-elect's -- i want to play a little bit of this. i want to play his interview with lester holt took place after the unveiling. he was asked who his team has been hearing from now that the gsa is agreeing with transition. >> yes. immediately we got outreach from the national security shop and -- just across the board. they're working out and my ability to get presidential daily briefs, we are working out meeting with the covid team in the white house and how to not only distribute but get the vaccines being distributed and people getting vaccinated. so i think we're going to be not

so far behind the curve as we thought we might be in the past. there is a lot of immediate discussions. i must say the outreach has been sincere and not begrudging so far. i don't expect it to be. yes, it already begun. >> sincere and not begrudging so far, a day into that, david, what do you make into it? >> so far so good. the very fact that the person who's going to be the contact is someone who only recently was as conspiracy theorist and right at the forefront of that and he's appointed to be the liaison. we'll have to see how that goes. i think it is important, there will be a lot of trump supporters disagree. but my impression is that joe biden has gotten off the best start of any president that

i have seen in 40 years. the quality of team he supports himself with, their humility and the way they spoke today and women breaking barriers. there are some girls are writing -- too much experience. last person to do what is george h.w. bush. guess what, george h.w. bush was one hell of a good president on national security. i think biden surrounded himself with really good people. we all need to come down a little bit. i do think chris christie's point, he is breathing a sigh of relief that someone is there. especially in contrast to his predecessor. >> you both express concerns about the unfounded questions over legitimacy of the election and they are unfounded because

you know most of what is being said and not all are just lies. one thing that would help with legitimacy is a phone call or a statement from mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader and as we sit here tonight, i don't know if that has happened or there is been any discussion. so what does it tell you about mitch mcconnell, who we mknow hs a personal relationship with joe biden, who hasn't not say said anything publicly or had any public out reach yet. >> i think right now mitch mcconnell is concerned about one thing and that's the election in georgia. those are the elections in georgia, the two senate seats. he does not want to do anything that's going to upset the trump's base so they'll sit home. roger stone should be behind bars but he's pardoned by the president. he's threatening that if they do anything to undermine president trump that he'll make sure that the republicans lose their

senate seat. that's a backwards way of looking at things but that is roger. that's what he's mainly concerned about it. i really do believe that once joe biden takes the oath of office, will mitch mcconnell continue to be partisan? of course, he will. you have to remember the senate will be closer than the house, and the house. and you have a caucus that requires equal number of members from each side of the isle, they come together and work out issues and they'll vote. they have come forward with a number of important legislative initiatives. they're going to become more as a force. i see this is moving forward. people want to get something done. the big issues have not been addressed. i can't believe we are sitting here in the midst of the pandemic. everything is gone and people lost their jobs and homes and we don't have a relief package.

it's just unconscionable. >> it is unbelievable. >> that in of itself would be a civil thing to do. it would be an american thing to do. we continue to wait for it. >> governor wittman and david gergen, thank you very much. much more of the cabinet's pick just ahead. and the break over the years that joe biden is trying to signal of his picks. >> we have breaking news from the pandemic, new highs every day. details with "360" continues. we're all finding ways to keep moving. and at fidelity, you'll get planning and advice to help you prepare for the future, without sacrificing what's most important to you today. because with fidelity, you can feel confident that the only direction you're moving is forward.

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as we mentioned in the beginning of the broadcast, president-elect rolling out his cabinet picks that contains a message that will be a sharp contrast to the way he will run things with the current president. people of color, immigrant, men and women. differences united by a lengthy record and diplomacy and strong ties with allies, in several cases long ties with the next president and none are republicans so far. >> have you considered for the sake of national unity selecting or nominating a republican, someone who voted for president trump? >> yes.

we still have a lot more appointments to make. i want this country to be united, the purpose of our administration is once again uniting. we can't keep this political dialogue going. it has to end. >> should we expect an announcement? >> no. >> not ever or not soon? >> no, not soon. >> joined now by david chalian and fareed zakaria. author of the new book, ten lessons for a post pandemic world. fareed, you heard the president-elect there, he wants to unite people. what are the picks that seems to united people, and one he hasn't officially made. janet yellen to the treasury secretary. making history as the first women there. you got a personal relationship with her, what kind of pressure will she face at the beginning

of the economy of the pandemic being where it is. >> oh, it is an extraordinary amount of pressure. janet yellen coming into the job with more challenges. i can't remember a treasury secretary who had as much of a challenge. you have the pandemic and the division. this time it does not appear to be on the case. the good news is janet yellen is probably the most qualified person ever to be appointed, nominated treasury secretary. shihab the chair of the federal reserve. she has been the chair of council economic advisers and she was a chair professor at a major university. she was the head of the san francisco fed. she's an extraordinary person.

we served on the yale board of trustee together. i know her well. she's very, very thoughtful and careful with the words and very discipline. but she is really somebody who believes that the point of economics is to help people. for her, the debate, they are not abstract debates. she wants to make sure that relief gets to people. she will advocate for that strongly. >> the market seems to think so as well. the market went up big today partially of janet yellen. and push hard for more money in the economy. a lot of firsts on that stage today with president-elect joe biden in terms of diversity, to be sure. and in a lot of ways, a lot of secretaries which to say that a lot of people who nerved number two in the department, that they are nominated to run. what strikes you as the most

important thing we saw today? >> the last point is critical difference joe biden is trying to demonstrate with the way the trump administration was run. he's going through deep trenches of these departments. we have a former deputy secretary of homeland security. we have a former secretary of state. now secretary of state. people worked on the national security council and now the national security adviser. these are people who have worked these beats, john. they have been tapped to be the next people to lead these agencies and departments. and that is a vote of confidence to joe biden, who is going to need the foreign policy to hit the ground running, with his mission to restoring relationships with our allies which he says is his

fundamental vision for america's strengths, those relationship with allies. he's going to be so consumed with covid, and economic catastrophe because of pandemic that he needs this experience team to be out there accomplishing that mission around the world. >> fareed, i want to play a little bit more of what president-elect biden said earlier tonight. listen to this. >> this is not a third obama term. we face a totally different world than we faced in the obama/biden administration. president trump has changed the landscape. it's become america first, and it's been america alone. find ourselves in a position where our alliances are being afraid. that's why i found people who are joining the administration and keep points that represent the spectrum of the american people as well as the democratic party. >> so he is objectively right.

a lot has changed in the trump administration. how did the mention of this team and what are the specific challenges they face in this post trump war. >> they are superb team. he found very bright people. nye are creative and flexible what the way they think. they have the experience. they are ready on day one. it's a huge challenge. because it's a different world out there. and the big difference is you have a world in which the united states is not easily and comfortably the dominating, agenda setting burden bearing power that it used to be. we are living in an uni polar america dominated work. part of it is the united states doesn't want to play that role. if you look at obama and trump, the one commonality is we are

trying various ways to have the united states play a some what different role. obviously different how they express it. the second is other countries have become more powerful and confident and more aware. the third one is china is essentially the other super power. we are living in a bipolar world. we have not had that before for a long time. these people men and women are going to have to really rethink core assumptions about america's foreign policies. i think you said it yourself, are you better off with a team of people who spent their

lifetime thinking of these issues and talking to allies across the world or better off with a bunch of people donald trump saw on tv or liked the way they looked or met once at a party or interviewed once. i am literally describing trump's cabinet and his method of selection. obviously you see what joe biden has done. it does not change the fact that it is a huge challenge but what he has shown that he trusts intelligence and experience and expertise. he wants a team for all these people to work together. that makes a difference. ultimately, we are all in this together. >> 80 million people we know as we count the votes shows what you were just describing there of joe biden. and the team he put together. does it mean that, david chalian, that 51 senators will necessarily vote to confirm them all. senator rubio could not wait to get a statement criticizing all these national security picks. that may be more of rubio 2024 than anything else. what do you think the prospecials are for the people nominated today? >> notice how much of republican criticisms out of the gates through the lens of china.

through this bipolar world and how china is going to dominate the division. listen, john, this is a closely divided senate or republicans maintaining control. you are talking about an evenly divided senate. there is going to be political squirmishes that's going to take arm twisting not just to get the nominees through but the agenda as well. i think the crew that was introduced today will have a smooth time. >> david chalian and fareed zakaria. both of you have a great thanksgiving if i don't get a chance to see you. the fine print reveals a different reality.

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as president-elect biden and his team is shifting into high-gear, team trump, too, is moving forward. with an all-out fund-raising company. emails claim it will help recounting but the fine print shows something different. the new trump's fund raising called save america gets a cut of any money race. it's a leadership pact that

president trump launched less than a week after the election. joining me now to discuss is mike shields, former chief of staff for the republican national kmitty, and cnn commentator, and the author of my vanishing country. mike, how much do you want the political money in the country right now to be flowing into a leadership pack for a guy who's out of office on january 20th? >> well, a couple of things. there is money also flowing into the two georgia's senate campaigns. they are well funded of record number of dollars going into that and two outside super pac to help with races. and then president trump is starting to fund the outside organization he's going to run when he is out of office. a lot of republicans are going to be happy with that. he's going to fly around, raise money for their campaigns.

he's still going to play a role with trump's voters presenting the party moving for ward. i believe the setup of that is an indication that he continues to have a political voice in the republican party after he is out of office. >> traditionally that's what most people do. donald trump is not most people. are you 100% that he'll use this money to work on behalf with others? you don't have to. you can sit on the money and throw parties if you have a place like mar-a-lago. >> well, look, i think it is known that donald trump has money and he's setting up the pack to pocket the money. he does not have to do that. he didn't have to run for office in the first place. it was not anything he needed and a lot of politicians like joe biden. who have gotten wealthy from running for office. he does not need the money, he

wants to have a voice and control things and be in a position to dictate the terms of the debate going into the 2024 election. if you are going to do that, there is some legal reasons to do that. you can start handing out checks to candidates and things like that. it's pretty standard. >> bakari, how concern are democrats to have a former president down at mar-a-lago who may be spending the money on himself, maybe spending the money on others but probably trying to get attention one way or another, how much of a problem can he cause? >> first of all, i don't think anybody is concerned of donald trump raising money. he's never been a prolific fund-raiser. that is number one. number two, he's very much self-centered and the majority of the money he's going to raise we all believe will go to him or

the people that he owes. there is no president of the history of the united states who has more financial issues looming over them than donald trump. i mean i love and appreciate mike but the fact the matter is when donald trump leaves office, he's going to have a debt. more than any little bit of money i make and i still have to pay for student loans. it's probably the same ratio. it is a whole lot. i don't anticipate donald trump doing much for the republican party. i do anticipate donald trump holding his bit of leverage over the trump's base over the republican party. this is still going to be donald trump's party. it is going to be self-serving. i don't think democrats have much to worry about. if donald trump's name on the ballot then you have a turnout problem. no one anticipates him doing the work necessary. it is a juice turning out to other republicans. mike, to that point, georgia, donald trump's name is not on the ballot. how much do you think these two run-offs will be. >> just to address one point.

>> donald trump is a tremendous party builder. it's win of the amazing untold stories. the comparison between him and barack obama who really eviscerated the dnc and took all the data and infrastructure from them, they still have not recovered. donald trump was a massive fundraiser for the rnc and around the country, a tremendous party builder and i say that as someone who worked in the party structure with him. there is money in that structure that he's raising that's going to help fund the georgia races. those are essentially special elections. it is an odd time to have a special election because democrats just won the white house and they are happy about that and republicans are angry and they want revenge and win a couple of races and we have seen record numbers of ballots being questioned. >> my question, to what extent a referendum on the president? >> there is as special election in georgia and people understand now that joe biden is going to

be in the white house and senate is up for grabs, do we want to give the democrats and the white house a blank check. i think it will be very difficult for the democrats to overcome. >> bakari, you are a young man in politics, i am struck by marco rubio and ted cruz and tom cotton and all they're doing now is the younger generation of republicans, i wonder what they really think as they see donald trump exiting stage left or maybe not really exiting stage left. they are doing everything they can not to alienate him and none of them have acknowledged the results of the election yet in any real way. does donald trump cut-off their ability, his presence cut-off their ability to build their own organization and do what they want to do going forward? >> marco rubio and ted cruz and tom cotton, i am glad you ask this question, john. the republican party have done

an awesome job of grooming a new generation of elected officials and allowing them the opportunity to lead and share leadership roles and allowing them the opportunity to flourish the main stage. when you name ted cruz and marco rubio and tom cotton. they're simply afraid of donald trump. you can't be him. the fact that all three of these grown men want to emulate somebody else, particularly ted cruz, someone talks about your wife and your dad, you don't want to be them, you fight them. you want to punch them in the jaw and keep moving. >> thank you, both. >> happy thanksgiving. breaking news on coronavirus, a new record high for hospitalizations in the u.s. why the task force is considering changing the 14-day quarantine period when "360" continues. more breaking news, the united states set a new record of the number of people hospitalized with coronavirus. tonight hospitalizations is at

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more breaking news, the united states set a new record of the number of people hospitalized with coronavirus. tonight hospitalizations is at 88,000. that that's not the only staggering number. the u.s. deaths, 250,000, and more than 1500 deaths today. more than 146,000 cases today. the surge shows no signs of letting up. the white house coronavirus task force is considering tweaking guidelines and possibly shortening the quarantine period for those infected or anyone who has been in close contact with anyone who has received a positive diagnosis. here is what we learned tonight on wolf blitzer. >> as you know it is quarantined for 14 days and half of the people become symptomatic on day five. that is when the virus becomes

present. there is a low amount of positivity afterwards. if you get a test on day seven or day ten, can it shorten your quarantine from 14 days to perhaps ten days? >> joining me now is kathleen sebellius, and the governor of kansas, the director of global health, medical center. doctor, i want to start with you. this possible change of the quarantine period shortening a little bit. what do you make of it? >> you said after the most important thing after talking to the cdc, this decision is made on science alone. he's right, we know that the majority of people if they have symptoms will have symptoms by days five, six, and the majority of people will likely test positive by day nine or ten. there is a small percentage of people tested positive for that.

and that can make it easier for people who are force to quarantine at home. and hopefully it's based on science and science alone. >> looking at the examples we have learned over the last nine months and that's a good thing. other things, secretary, i don't think we have learned so well and that has to be behavior. the white house's task force put out a statement today that really caught my attention. they talked about the aggressive spread of covid around the country, and they said to battle it, there seems to be a significant behavior change of all americans. it's november, a significant behavior change or all americans. how possible is that at this point? >> well, i think it is only possible if it is left from the top. if the american public is allowed to hear regularly from scientists about what's going on, if we have cleared national

guidelines which we never have. and we don't blame the public of what's happening and acknowledge the fact that we never have a plan. so does shortening the quarantine period makes sense? maybe if scientists say so. i have to tell you right now, almost no state is doing effective contact tracing because the virus is so far out ahead of it. almost any state, including wyoming and kansas, if you have a test and you want a test returned for day seven, and you don't have symptoms, you don't have ready access to fast, reliable tests. we are still in the same discussion we were having in february and march about testing and about protocol and opening guidelines and the virus is winning this particular chapter. i think we need to regroup and have a national plan and then start to talk about behavior that models that national plan. >> meanwhile, hospitalizations reaching a new record level,

more than 88,000 people hospitalized of the 15th consecutive days as we have seen record hospitalizations. dr. spencer, i know you are planning of spending thanksgiving in the er. what kind of strain is this putting on hospitals around the country? >> the last two big waves peaked around 60,000 people. in the hospital and that stressed the system in the northeast n the sun belt and florida and texas. what we are seeing right now is cases rising everywhere. we are seeing hospitalizations throughout the country and today we got over 2,000 deaths. the highest number of deaths we had sense april. all of these indicators are continuing to climb. now i hear a lot of people we'll get more beds, well, you need five or six really highly trained professionals and nurses and respiratory techs and doctors to take care of one sick covid patients. this is not just going out to ikea to get more beds, you need highly trained physicians and a

lot of people to take care of patients and quite frankly, a lot of us are exhausted and we are tired. over a thousand healthcare providers have died from covid themselves and many more are getting sick because we don't have enough ppe in the country. the system can't last much longer if we continue to have such a crush of new cases throughout the country. >> you've got a very unique perspective being in the cabinet and also governor of kansas. when it comes to getting the vaccine to the people who need it most, what do you think the biggest challenge will be? we've got about a minute left. >> well, i think definitely, again, a national plan. governors need to know exactly what the federal government will do. and the federal government has unbelievable logistical ability and financial ability to help states and local governments hire additional people, get ready for the plan. right now governors are being

told they're on their own, that the vaccine will come somewhere in their state at some time and they need to figure out the rest. that's totally unworkable. there needs to be a national strategy where the federal government plots out how to get the vaccine to various locations, where the most vulnerable folks are. governors can then take it from there. but then this has to be a collaborative effort and a transparent effort, and that has not happened so far, jeff. >> thank you to you both. have a wonderful thanksgiving, if you can. and dr. spencer, thank you for the work you're doing and continue to do and will do on thanksgiving day. >> thank you. be safe. just ahead, shifting gears, we want to bring you the unlikely bond between prisoners and prep school students. lisa ling joins with that story next. you can really save.

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. sunday night after all the turkey leftovers, wrap up the holiday weekend by taking a look at an unlikely experiment. two worlds, one of promise, one of punishment, come together in the season premier of "this is life with lisa ling." lisa takes a look at a prisoner prep school. here's a preview. >> how you guys doing? >> a little nervous now we're inside. >> guiding ud had son and the other students through the gates is the boys' english and physiology teacher, gym mic

letty. >> did he talk much about what the boys are about to embark on before they go in. >> it's tricky because we don't want to give away too much. we want there to be a surprise. we want it to be a healthy shock. geography matters. getting out in the community matters. i'm telling kids don't let this stuff get in the way of their education. >> this looks amazing. joining us now is the host of "this is life" lisa ling. this brings boys with inmates. tell us more about how this program works and why you wanted to focus on it? >> john, thanks for having me on. for eight weeks during the year, students from the prep school in california will go into the ctf prison in soledad. as you said, this prison houses more inmates serving life

sentences than any other in the state. every eight weeks they will study and interpret a different book. and what happens during the course of the eight weeks is pretty transformative, both for the inmates and the students. and the reason why i felt compelled to tell this story is a few years ago, after reading a particular novel, the inmates decided that they wanted to do something for a young man to be able to attend the pomo school. keep in mind, most inmates if they have jobs in prison make an average of about 10 cents an hour. but they decided to start a scholarship and they decided to raise $30,000 to put a young man through this fairly expensive boys' school. this past year a young man name cy green. >> i still got chills hearing

you tell it to me again. it really is so moving. obviously the prisoners feel connected to students. what does each group get out of this? >> well, john, you would think that it would be the inmates that would really benefit from having these young men come in and read with them. but what really surprised me was seeing the transformation that happened among the students because these inmates -- and we're not talking about all inmates in the prison. but in this particular program, they were so candid about their crimes. they were so remorseful about things they had done in their past, but they were also so evolved with their emotions and recognized how trauma that they experienced as a young person affected the course of the rest of their lives. so, they shared it with these young men. and week after week you would start to see these young men become incredibly candid about things that they may have been holding inside of themselves for very long periods of time. so, they would start to dye as a rule divulge things they had

been holding inside of them. i heard students say, i heard aiden, for example, this other kid, my whole life and never knew his father suffered als and passed away. i knew so and so all my life. i never knew his parents had had an unfaithful relationship. it really was about these students getting permission to be able to feel, something that is so important for young men to be able to do. >> the two episodes premier tonight, both about young men and boys. i always look forward to the premier of your shows just to see the stories you find. it's always so interesting. lisa, thanks so much for being with us. be sure to tune in. a brand-new powerful season of "this is life with lisa ling" premiers this sunday starting at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. don't miss "full circle" anderson's digital news show at 6:00 p.m. eastern on cnn, full