been holding inside of them. i heard students say, i heard aiden, for example, this other kid, my whole life and never knew his father suffered als and passed away. i knew so and so all my life. i never knew his parents had had an unfaithful relationship. it really was about these students getting permission to be able to feel, something that is so important for young men to be able to do. >> the two episodes premier tonight, both about young men and boys. i always look forward to the premier of your shows just to see the stories you find. it's always so interesting. lisa, thanks so much for being with us. be sure to tune in. a brand-new powerful season of "this is life with lisa ling" premiers this sunday starting at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. don't miss "full circle" anderson's digital news show at 6:00 p.m. eastern on cnn, full circle or any cnn app any time

on demand. on demand. let's go to chris. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to prime time. president-elect joe biden has dealt with legendary road blocks but he has been delivered a legendary mandate. 80 million of you came out to vote for you. more than 6 million more than came out for trump in a strong rejection of trump's notion of what a president is. now, biden, we see with just, you know, limited access to what he needs to get a feel for already off to a better start than we saw four years ago. instead of picking misfits and players with more problems than experience, biden has key nominees and appointees who will be first for good reasons, a policy that puts our best first, not our worst. >> it's a team that reflects the fact that america is back, ready to lead the world, not retreat

from it. once again, sit at the head of the table. ready to confront our adversaries and not reject our allies. >> it would seem just as important as what biden is for. it was a quick reminder today of what a historic number of you said you are against. >> keep america great. and as you say, america first. shouldn't go away from that. america first. >> remember what it's translated into. america being among the worst in handling the pandemic and an economy that trump can only celebrate because there are food lines snaking across this country. today was the worst single day for deaths in america from covid. did you know that? since may. more than 2,000 gone. so, already biden is different. he sees the need. he actually speaks to what's wrong.

instead of trouncing trump for u ignoring a health crisis and sabotaging his transition, which he certainly could, his focus seems to be not on his political position but on our position and improving it asap. >> we're already working out meeting with the covid team in the white house and how to not only distribute but get out from a vaccine being distributed to a person being able to get vaccinated. so, i think we're going to not be so far behind the curve, as we thought we might be in the past. and there's a lot of immediate discussion. and i must say the outreach has been sincere. it's not been begrudging so far. and i don't expect it to be. so, yes, it's already begun. >> it's weird for us to not have an interview where we have to explain why a president was vindictive, have to fact check everything he said, or just

figure out why the president of this united states is acting like a puts, but biden has bigger worries than style. new models project new cases in the u.s. will nearly double by the time mr. biden is inaugurated, could possibly reach a staggering 20 million cases. and again, more people died today than we have seen since may. the task force, on the good side, is finally free to admit the truth, to speak truth and not worry about political reprisal. and they said today, we have to radically change behavior. but biden has to tell you where that is true and what can be done about it. and he needs republicans to do it with him. let's focus on the last part. it's going to be hard. why? trumpers are coming forward. you must remember what these new

students of virtue and the common man, what they stood by and empowerered. exhibit a, senator rubio. look at his tweet. they went to ivy league schools and have strong résumes. they will be polite and orderly caretakers, says i support american greatness. remember what he calls american greatness, enabling trump's three-week sabotage of the election. he didn't go against it. he never knew or offered any basis for any of the frivolous litigation. in four years, rubio quoted the bible a lot but he did not speak truth to power when it came to this president. you want to criticize biden's choices, fine, you can do it. but good schools? remember, secretary pompeo. harvard law.

secretary mnuchin. esper. barr. secretary azar, yale, chow harvard. what's the point? where was your common man touch then? where was your play to the hoye paloy? it's a lot of hooey is what it is. step out of that shadow, shine that disinfectant light of truth. where was he on trump's choices in that administration, not when they went to school but when they got chased out, bailed out. steve bannon, where was he? don't believe the concern now when people like rubio stand by and showed you who they were for years, okay? that's the reality. remember. and think about this. you want to start criticizing things, talking about what matters, don't worry about where people went to school. focus not on pedigree but

poverty. speak to the long lines of trumpers, okay? the people that you swore to help that would make great again and all that other bs, miles long these lines are from texas to new jersey and too many places in between. focus on what matters, like the fact that you have done nothing about it in this congress. the question is will biden be able to get republicans to take on the pandemic that they allowed to fester? our next president wants to replace division with determination. >> i hope, as president, and many of the republican governors and mayors felt the same way. i hope that we're going to be able to have a united voice on the need to mask, socially distance, testing and tracing. they're critical, critical pieces to dealing with bringing down this virus in a more manageable place. >> all right. so, he's already talking about things we haven't heard about in terms of doing more. but where and how?

we'll have to see. but in that interview, he took a step that trump would never even consider, and it's an important one. would biden include someone in his administration or more from the other party? >> yes. and we still have a lot more appointments to make. i want this country to be united. the purpose of our administration is once again reuniting. we can't keep this virulent political dialogue going. it has to end. >> it's an ambition that is going to ring true with a lot of hearts in this country. but can he do it? is he going to be able to change the political disposition and be savaged by trumpery and opposition. thankful for you being in my life. appreciate you. thankful for you. van jones, what do you think of biden's approach, thinking about putting a republican on there, reaching across, trying to do things the better way.

is that being president or setting himself up for another bad precedent? >> i think it's good. i think it's good. he's trying to pull together a broken, fragmented country. he's got to make sure that the progressives get something. and so far they're patient with his appointments. right now he's got a lot of oatmeal oatmeal. you should do something to help the republicans because it's not the republican party itself. it's republican party as it's been twisted by trump. and if there's a pathway back to redemption, there's a pathway back to bipartisanship on his terms, he should take it. >> quickly, van, follow up. you want to see a bernie? you want to see a yang? who do you want to see? >> andrew yang would be an amazing choice. he's innovative. listen, he is a positive populist. he's not mad at billionaires.

he's not mad at immigrants. he's mad that our wages have flat lined. it would send a great signal to the country that the next generation is being welcomed in. >> all right. charlie, what do you take from what we heard from senator rubio today coming after the administration choices on the basis of pedigree? you have plenty of high pedigree people. you had a lot of bums also. but you had a lot of pedigreed people in the trump administration. we just never see people get chased out for bad acts in the bad past. it's a signal of opposition. is that the way your party's headed? >> well, i think you have to consider that, you know, marco rubio is considered to be a likely candidate for president in a few years, and he's probably trying to draw a contrast between himself and his own view of national security and foreign policy with the biden teams'. i would hope that senator rubio and republicans in the senate would endorse and confirm the

folks that have been nominated so far. it's a solid competent group of people, and they will bring some measure of stability back into the national security space, which is really desperately needed after four years of america first, america alone. >> i hear you on that and his potential future, but he's not talking policy. he's talking people and division. he's talking pedigree. us and them. he's trying to take a page out of trump's book. do you think that he or cruz or any of these guys can seriously think that trump's base will take to them the way they took to him? >> no. i believe that if anybody's going to run for president in a few years, they better develop their own platform, their own position because whoever that nominee is going to be, that's going to be the policy or the position or the platform of the party. so, they need to stop looking backwards and start looking forward. trump was just rejected. i would argue so was the left wing of the democratic party in the recent election. so, now it's time for the

republican party to revisit what it stands for rather than just simply endorsing what trump believed in. there was no platform in the 2020 election for the gop. they're going to have to develop a real policy, real platform on national security and other issues because trump, by that time, should be a figure of the past, although he'll make a lot of noise between now and then. >> van, many democrats may like this, but one of the criticisms i think rubio was trying to get to in a hand-fisted way is this is obama 2.0, this is awe third obama term. what do you make of that suggestion? >> well, hallelujah. i mean, obama got it done, the great recession. saved the auto industry, got health care to millions of people and handed trump an economy that was moving in a great direction. trump was able to hold on for a little bit, but then he crashed it by mishandling the covid crisis. i think the american people just spoke. they just literally

re-elected -- just literally elected obama's vice president. so, i don't think america is mad at obama. i think america wants what obama represented but now with bigger challenges. i also think that he's got a real opportunity here on the world stage. what you're seeing now is people around the world, this big sigh of relief around the world that america might be back. america first, those are two good words. everybody wants their team to be first. nobody wants their team to be last. but those terms got polluted and twisted just as charlie was saying into america by itself with no friends hanging out with dictators and going the wrong way. there's a chance for america to really come back, not just locally, not just here, but around the world. nobody's mad at obama right now. people are still mad at donald trump. >> you know, right, people thought it was cynical when we talk about where america first came from in our history decades ago and what it meant then.

and it started to get scarily similar to that. so, why am i asking about his choices on the left? because biden has a challenge trump didn't, which is savagery from his own. the progressive wing is going to check him almost as quickly as the republican will as trump starts to fade a little bit. so, here's what he had to say about bernie and elizabeth warren in terms of his team. >> what about former rivals from your own party, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren? have you talked to them about cabinet positions? >> well, i've talked to -- look, as i said, we already have significant representation among progressives in our administration. but there's nothing really off the table. one thing is really critical. taking someone out of the senate, taking someone out of the house, particularly a person of consequence is really a difficult decision that will have to be made. i have a very am busbitious, ve

progressive agenda, and it's going to take really strong leaders in the house and senate to get it done. >> now, i've got to tell you, charlie, let's talk mechanics and politics for a second. i understand that criticism -- not krcriticism -- that concern. i don't want to lose the senate seat when it looks like they may lose the senate. more on that in a second. bernie sanders said on this show, when i said, bernie, you don't want to lose your seat, right? he had an answer ready like that, charlie. he said the governor there said he would put another person in my seat that would caucus with the democrats. he wants a position. if you're advising biden, do you put bernie in place? >> no, i do not simply because the senate democrats don't have any kind of a cushion. they need every seat, and we don't know how this georgia run off's going to go. best case for democrats, you have 50/50. you pluck one out, you're 50/49.

that could effect reorganization. so, i think joe biden is smart, frankly, to find more centrist nominees. one, they'll be easier to confirm. and two they'll be able to blame the republicans for it because the republicans aren't going to support the far left characters or potential people that would go into the cabinet. i think biden is so far playing it pretty smart. i would and be very much averse about plucking somebody from the senate right now and even the house with only about a four or five vote cushion there. >> biden needs friends right now to change the messaging van. but big change. there are a couple of things that he could do. we'll see. i have one of his transition team members from the task force on the covid side in the next segment, and i'll ask her about this. but you need to change messaging. you need republicans next to biden saying wear the mask, take the social distancing, it's not weakness, it's strength. do you think he can get that?

>> i think he can get it from business leaders. i think he can get it from some celebrities who may have appeal on the right from country music stars and nascar people. the politicians right now have been a profile in cowardice in the republican party on this issue too often and so far. but i don't think, honestly, you know, you've got a lot of influencers who would love to be able to go back to a white house -- i mean on the left and the right -- without having the challenging that being associated with the trump administration brought to a lot of influencers for good or for bad. so, i do think that biden can set a big enough table and be inviting enough convener that a lot of people can come around to him and help him with his message. i don't think it comes down to conservative politicians who so far weren't even willing to stand up for american democracy the past three weeks. they're not going to do it, but others will. >> paul ryan had a shot early on

to be a generational figure in terms of kind of not really left and right but reasonable. and then he just went in the bag for trump, swallowing that tax cut and really getting beat up as speaker. he had a provocative thought today. he said -- unless you just want to dismiss it as hand-fisted partisanship, this is the question for charley. in joe biden's best interest for republicans to win georgia and retain control of the senate, so he really has to work with both sides of the aisle. is that a smart long term play balance. i want your takes charting with charlie on this. >> actually i do agree with paul ryan that this will force every -- by having a divided government with biden as president and the gop senate, that will force people to the center. it will empower people like joe manchin and susan collins and members of the problem solvers saw cuss in both the senate and house. >> didn't with obama. >> i think they'll reach deals.

>> didn't with obama. allowed mcconnell to say i'm going to do nothing for this guy and stop everything. and he did. >> well, at the end of the day, i believe that both -- i believe that both biden and mcconnell are incrementalists. they're pragmatic. they will reach agreements. and i think they have that kind of relationship. is there going to be partisanship, of course there will be. but i think they have the ability to get some things done on infrastructure, broadband. i would even argue china, of course covid. there are some issues where they're going to be able to agree. and i think -- and in many respects republican-controlled senate is a nice foil for joe biden when his left flank is going to be nipping at him all the time for not pushing hard enough. he can simply blame mcconnell. >> van, am i still too wounded by hearing mcconnell say this three-week sabotage is the way it always goes to believe he

would ever be incremental if it means moving towards the other side? what's your take? >> look, i think the democrats need the ability to govern and that means the democrats need the senate. there's a theory out there from people who suddenly love the democratic party and love joe biden and want joe biden to do well, they keep giving the advice to let the obstructionist majority leader in history keep his gavel, that's going to make biden have a better presidency. that's complete crap. what we know about mcconnell is he is very, very focused on maintaining power, blocking democrats, packing courts. he's not going to change. has he done some things? he's done a couple of things. he doesn't do a lot when it comes to democrats. so, i think that biden himself is moderate enough. he doesn't need to be able to point to somebody else and say well, i can't -- i would give you all these left wing ideas, but the republicans won't let me do it. he can speak for himself and say

what he's for and what he's not. he did it through the whole primary. this whole line of reasoning is ill-considered. biden needs the full power of the government approximate in his hands the way trump had in his hands to undo the damage trump did. mcconnell will not be as great a partner as schumer will be. >> thank you to you both. i'm thankful for you. happy thanksgiving. easy to say, hard to do this year though, isn't it? thanksgiving is going to be tough. the pandemic is sucking the thanks out of us. and on one hand, if it's missed you, if you've had people make through it, you should be thankful. this is going to be hard. thankfully, what do we know? we have the president-elect saying that the transition is not going to be held up the way he feared. good. what does that look like in terms of how that could change? we have a member of biden's task force here. what kinds of things are they

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i should hit you up on live television. i really want to get us into the long haul nyu study center to give them some publicity for what they're trying to do and to show people how even a mild case leave you in a place that you don't want to be. but i'll put it out there publicly. i'll talk to you about it privately, and we're working on it already. but i think it will be helpful for people. now, the transition, on the way out, they are saying according to admiral brett that they're looking at preponderance of evidence, which is known as a civil law standard -- i don't know what it means in medicine -- that a shorter quarantine complemented by a test may be enough to slow the spread. your take on doing this on the way out? >> well, the time sg a little bit strange. but i will say there does seem to be science to perhaps back this up. in fact i was on the phone earlier this afternoon with a

scientist at yale who's looking at this exact question. and he has been studying could you have shorter quarantines around 8 days with a test at exit. so, at the end of quarantine, he's in fact done some of these studies with oil riggs and workers on oil rigs for a company based in australia. so, there is preliminary data this may be one way to make the idea of quarantine less burdensome to people. >> so, it's thanksgiving, right? we've been working on testing for months and months. i'm sure you're hearing -- you probably hear it ten times as much as i do -- people calling you and saying celine, if they know you, and doctor, if they don't, i need a test, i can't get a test, the test is three days, i've got to get a test, they say i need the rapid test, it's 50 bucks, i can't get anything. the access is still totally whacky even now. what will change that?

>> yeah, i've been getting text messages all week of photos from people standing in line at urgent care centers or testing centers waiting for their test. i think one of the first things that you're going to be seeing is that the president-elect will be invoking the defense production act with respect to personal protective equipment and also possibly with respect to tests. so, we really do want to see a big ramping up of test capacity. and it's not just about tests. that's also about some of the other supplies. you've heard about swabs and all of that since the beginning of the pandemic. it's also about staffing. people who can collect the tests, process them, send them off, there's a lot that needs to be scaled up in the coming months. >> let me put up something you're going to have to deal with. this is from congressman crenshaw, decorated veteran. he's on the cutting enl of the young republicans in congress. they are doing a frontal attack

on restrictions, okay? this is wrong. businesses should not comply with unreasonable infringements from government. now, that is a tricky play for him because if something is a law and you're telling people not to obey the law, you've got a problem. but what he's hoping is he's dealing with government guidance. that's why he's being that bold. but the idea that businesses, that americans who are told how to limit people in their homes, that they should not comply and resist and fight back, what do you are nak of that messaging? >> well, i think people resist these kinds of restrictions, these public health measures, when they're most immediate economic and social needs are not being met, especially when the pandemic might seem like an abstract threat, until of course it's not. so, this is precisely why we have a stimulus that's been sitting before congress for some time now. senator mcconnell has yet to take up that stimulus package.

the prior stimulus support is running out and people really are going to have a tough couple or several weeks ahead before january 20th if somebody doesn't do something about this stimulus. people really need help to make rent, to put food on the table now. >> big touch stone for families is schools. let's listen to the president-elect on that. >> you've got schools closed right now in places where restaurants are open. are our priorities correct? >> i think we should be able to do both. but look i'm very concerned about the schools. for example, i was on a call yesterday with mayor de blasio, largest school district in the country. he is in a position where it costs tens of millions of dollars to be able to safely open a school. it's the single best expenditure of our dollars we can engage in now is to provide the kinds of protection, not only the

protective gear but the ppp, the ability to allow businesses and other operations to be able to open and have the wherewithal, the financial aid to open safely. > >> now, to be fair, we're not going to dump a problem that is months old on the president-elect and say fix everything right now. not fair. not fair when you overloaded testing to the restaurants and the bars and didn't do planning for schools for months. so, you didn't have what you need. now, that said, the schools i think is going to be a big problem for you guys because you have parents like me who hate that they're closed, and it seems to speak to bad management. you can't find a better way to deal with schools than when there's a seasoningal case in my kid's glass they run out like there was a mass shooter in there. and yet i had an expert on last night who said, cuomo, you're a fool, the numbers are worse in schools than you know and the schools have to be closed, new

york city is doing the right thing and if you don't control the case load there, it has a magnified significance on communities. explain that to me. why is it more dangerous to have cases in schools when we keep being told that kids don't get as sick? >> i'm not sure that i would agree with that statement. we know that the prevalence of coronavirus cases in schools, including in new york city, is lower in the schools than it is in the community. and i think we really do need to try to keep schools open as much as possible -- >> good. >> -- as long as there's not widespread community transmission. >> so, help me understand that. so, if you're in a community where they have cases but the cases in the schools are not as bad as the cases in the community, why do we snap to closing the schools? >> well, i think unfortunately this has not been something that we fully understood. we didn't fully understand the risks of the schools, the difference between the prevalence in the community and in the schools. so, we will need to shift our

guidelines to adapt to new knowledge, whether it's with respect to schools or other things in the future. >> and do you think that's going to be a priority in kind of figuring out who's doing things the best ways in different parts of the country and finding a way to kind of make that a universal playing field so people can kind of be schooled on how to keep schools open? >> i think absolutely. and while new york did close its schools recently, it was actually a tremendous success that we were able to open schools and keep them open as long as we did. that's really unlike any other school district of its size across the country. >> i know. it's just hard. people don't want to go back. it's hard enough. they got the kids back in school. if they come back home, it screws up everybody economically. and you've got to hear what those guys are saying because if they make this political that to resist is straight, you're going to have a problem on your hands. doctor have a good thanksgiving with your family. >> thank you, you too.

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the president's pardoned the turkeys. i've got to tell you i never even understood what the hell this is about. it's a tradition. it's funny it's one of the

traditions trump decided to respect. those birds, i don't know they're in anywhere near as much jeopardy as the guy handing out the ceremony pardons. there's nothing ceremony about the legal threats, especially on the state level that are waiting for donald trump. trump has claimed the absolute right to pardon himself. what we know absolutely is he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about what it comes to law or fact. but he does have big time pardon power. so, what does that mean for the cast of criminally charged characters around him who have been around every step of his political life? let's bring in former ambassador and white house ethics czar n. m >> great to be with you. >> first his pardons that he could give to others. is it pretty much whatever he wants? >> well, there are some limits, chris.

the constitution gives the president very broad pardon powers. but, as you can appreciate, if he took a bribe to issue a pardon, he could be criminally prosecuted. if the pardon was issued -- and this is where we have concerns about president trump -- as part of a conspiracy, if the reason, paul manafort has been silent for all these years of the trump presidency is because of a pardon angled, those kinds of limitations come in. but the pardon power is very broad. >> does michael flynn figure into that analysis? >> he does. flynn has cultivated the favor of the president. the president has talked about his case, engaged in very dubious, terrible conduct in

attacking the judge, attacking the jurors in that case. now, there's a wrinkle in the flynn story, chris, which is that the president has just broken very publicly with flynn's lawyer, sidney powell. but i don't think that will affect the ultimate calculus. flynn is at the top of the list after those thanksgiving turkeys. >> now, the big question, the magilla, can a president self-pardon? it is not discussed in the constitution. what is the best reckoning because we have no precedent? >> well, most fundamental rule of anglo-american jurisprudence going back for centuries is that a person cannot be the judge in his or her own case. so, you're right that the constitution is silent on whether or not a president can pardon himself. chris, i think part of the reason for that is that the

founders of our country and the framers of our constitution never imagined that they would have to say that about a president. but of course donald trump has brought about a lot of un-imaginable scenarios in his tenure as president. >> so, he says, i pardon myself. now what? >> it would play out in the following way. he would pardon himself on the way out. if there were, for example -- if there were a federal prosecution, that pardon would then be at issue if there were an attempt to prosecute the president. but, chris, as you pointed out, there's a very important exception to this. pardons do not apply to state law offenses. and the gravest danger that the president faces, we know vance is actively investigating him. when you look at the evidence, if i were the president, my single largest concern would be a state law prosecution.

his self-pardon, if he tries one, can't touch that. so, there is a high expectation that the president is going to face serious state criminal jeopardy at some point in 2021. >> he's raising a slush fund for himself about the save america stuff. it sounds like it's about the election, but when you read emails he sends, he can use the money for anything he wants. biden says he doesn't think trump shouldn't be investigated on an ethical level. is it a better play for biden to say just get rid of this guy, the longer he's in the light, the longer he's a negative influence, just leave him alone, let him go ethically? >> no. the president-elect has indicated that these kinds of questions will be left as they always have been in american

history, chris, to the professional prosecutors, to the justice department, to the attorney general. that's the rule of law. frankly from a -- so, from an ethical perspective, the president should not do that. that raises this issue that we've seen in the era of the trump -- of trump of the oval office criminalizing political opponents. let the pros do it. and even better, the state -- the state of new york is look at it. that is miles away from the oval office. no allegation on politicizing the criminal process. let the rule of law work. >> well, i'm happy that you spoke about the issue of why trump may do certain pardons because cnn can now report new information, that there are discussions ongoing in the white house about president trump pardoning michael flynn. can he do it? yes. what will be the issue? was michael flynn quiet about anything that could have been damaging to the president waiting for a pardon? now, norm, easy to say.

easy to argue on an exam. tough to prove. >> chris, it is not easy to prove. we're very fortunate that we have one of the great jurists in america, judge emmet sullivan, who is scrutinizing doj handling of the michael flynn case. he's fought for his right to do that. the truth has a way of coming out. and if there is some kind of dirty deal with michael flynn, that is going to come out and could well expose president trump to federal or state prosecution. if there are state prosecutors who have jurisdiction over them. so, you know, the saga will continue. president-elect biden is wise not to get in the middle of it. let the federal and state pros sort this out. that is the rule of law in america, chris. >> right.

and while i want to leave the style and the culture behind, the president, being fair, must always be present which i don't know that michael flynn did anything wrong. i don't know that he made any deal with trump. i've never seen any proof of that. i'm just saying it's something that will be look at. thank you very much for laying out the law and the contingencies. the best for thanksgiving to you and your family. >> happy thanksgiving, chris, to you and yours. >> thank you. we've all got to get on the same page. the dow, the stock market crossing 30,000 for the first time. great. why? trump takes credit for it. maybe it was the biden transition. who cares? millions of americans are hungry. food anxiety. pc non-sense. hungry or afraid of going hungry sometime in the future. very few of you own stock. that's not the metric for your safety and your family. how do we get food on the table?

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food bank lines are all over the country, cars in many places are lining up for miles. people waiting five hours. for them, thanksgiving will suck. and our food pantries are overwhelmed, people can't get out and help people the way they usually do. according to feeding america, largest hunger relief organization in the u.s., 50 million americans are facing hunger this year. 50 million. it's hurting the most vulnerable and also forcing a lot of people to reckon with a new reality, lining up for a food bank, asking for help. that's why i want to bring in steven, he's a resident of orange, california.

he's living a new reality. he had a job, times got tough about a year ago. and he's been having to find ways to help his family. steven, i only have a little bit of time. i just want to hear from you. i don't need to interview you. tell people what you learned from your experience, why they may well see a lot of themselves in you, and what people should know about how to get help. all you. go ahead. >> the ultimate reality, if you're in a situation similar to me, then there are food banks, and there are sources out there, there are so many things i didn't know were available. and the food bank of orange county has helped me, and i know there's something like that in your county, your state, all across the country, where people want to help. i also volunteered for them, as a way of giving back, for

them -- they were giving us food. my family, food. so i thought, hey, might as well volunteer. that was a drive-through pop-up, but that ended a few months ago because of covid restrictions. >> but if people say they're ashamed. i'm not one of these people, that's just for the homeless. >> don't be. reach your hand out, and you will be provided. they will provide the food that you need to get you a week's meals. ingredients are there. the produce, pasta, sauces, protein. you will get there. i don't have any shame anymore, because i couldn't. the pride has been put on a shelf. but i'm actually even more prideful now because of the help that i'm giving back with them. and supporting the group. >> explain that. what did you learn about your situation, how did you go from why me to help them?

>> i was out there, i saw an ad for food, and i don't know. initially, i thought, is there a way i can volunteer to make me feel better about receiving the food? which may have been my pride there. i reached out, volunteered right away, and i started talking to the people that run the company, the ceo, the other people that are out taking pictures and running the volunteer crews, and they were amazing. and the things they said about the people that were receiving the food really resonated, the people that put a sign up in a car door that says thank you on it, because they had a mask on and couldn't roll their window down. that was amazing. one of the best. >> there are a lot of families like yours around the country. six-figure job, gone. wife working, gone. two kids, mortgage, car payment. i know you're worried. i know times are tough. i'm glad there are places for you to get help. and i'm glad you're still fighting for your own future, and i hope things get better soon.

you're a great lesson that everybody has something to be thankful for, even when times are hard. i wish you and the family the best. >> thank you, chris. happy thanksgiving. >> to you as well. i'm going to tweet out information about how you can help. we'll be right back. we're alls to keep moving. but how do we make sure the direction we're headed is forward? at fidelity, you'll get the planning and advice to prepare you for the future, without sacrificing the things that are important to you today. we'll help you plan for healthcare costs, taxes and any other uncertainties along the way. because with fidelity, you can feel confident that the only direction you're moving is forward.

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thank you for watching. time are for the big show, big man, "cnn tonight with don lemon." right now. >> you know what i appreciated about your show the most, except for being informed on all issues. you're not saying anything. why are you so quiet? >> i'm waiting. i know something is coming. go ahead. >> i appreciate you highlighting the people who need a lot in our society. i hate to say the most, because when you're in need, you feel like you're the most in need. but for highlighting the people out there in the food lines, people who need it. and the guy said, i have no shame anymore. i think he's absolutely right. think about this, chris.