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hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. thank you very much for joining us this hour. we're living in a moment of stark contrast. today is a perfect example of that. we're seeing nothing but good news about vaccine development to fight the coronavirus. we talk about it all the time, help is on the horizon. yet there are growing fears that
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the pandemic is only going to get worse. the nation just marked the deadliest day of the pandemic since mid-april. more than 2,100 died yesterday and for the 15th straight day, the u.s. broke its own hospitalization record with more than 88,000 covid patients nationwide. that is what is driving dr. anthony fauci to offer this final message ahead of thanksgiving. >> the final message is to do what really we've been saying for some time, to the except possible, keep the gatherings, indoor gatherings, as small as you possibly can. we know how difficult that is because this is a traditional holiday but making that sacrifice, you will prevent people from getting infected. >> the contrasts don't stop there, the dow hit 30,000 for the first time yesterday. yet a record number of americans are waiting in long line food
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banks across the country. the situation is so dire that feed america, a network of more than 200 food banks, said the u.s. faces a shortage of up to 8 billion meals in the next 12 months because of the new demand, because of so much food i security across the country now. those aren't the only lines that deserve attention either. long lines of people waiting to get tested for covid as the virus spreads everywhere. now long lines in america's airports as people are traveling in numbers we have not seen since the pandemic began, despite the continued warnings from the cdc. some of these lines are out of necessity. too many americans are without food. some of these lines are medically necessary. new covid cases are surging, and also let's be real, some of these lines are not necessary at all. so many people traveling this holiday season. let's start there with cnn's pete muntean. he's at washington's reagan
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national airport with more. what are you seeing now? >> things are just going here, kate. we've seen long lines here but also atlanta and milwaukee. all of it means that people are still flying in spite of the cdc's warning to not travel for thanksgiving. the tsa numbers show just yesterday about 900,000 people pass through security at america's airports. that means 4.8 million people have flown since the cdc first issued that warning. i have been talking to travelers about the rational for flying right now. some feel like it was the right call while others say they will never do it again. >> i won't do it again. this is it. my last time traveling during the pandemic. it's something that i have to do. >> not really afraid of it. you take normal precautions and you get on with your life. >> this i just sit there and be
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careful because the coronavirus is real and it's not a joke, you know. i know people that have lost their lives to this. >> the tsa says the numbers show that people are not canceling their thanksgiving trips. today will be big but sunday could be even bigger. that's when the tsa thinks everybody who left for the holiday could be coming home all at once, kate. >> the staggered start, and everyone heads out at the same time to return home. thank you, pete. thank you very much. this afternoon we will hear from president-elect biden, set to deliver a thanksgiving day address. he's expected to talk about the sacrifices americans are making this holiday season due to the pandemic. just as his transition team is finally getting read in by trump administration officials on the covid response. listen how joe biden talked about that outreach with nbc news. >> we're already working out a meeting with the covid team in the white house and how to not
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only distribute but from a vaccine being distributed to a person able to get vaccinated. so i think we're going to not be so far behind the curve as we thought we might be in the past. and there's a lot of immediate discussion and i must say, the outreach has been sincere. it's not been begrudging so far. >> cnn's jeff zeleny is joining us live from wilmington, delaware. jeff, what are you hearing about these briefings and also how coordination is now going? >> kate, we're hearing the biggest briefing of all will take place on monday, the presidential daily brief that will be given to president-elect biden for the first time on monday. this, of course, is a document the president can read every day. president trump sometimes does, sometimes doesn't. but joe biden we're told and kamala harris, vice president-elect, will be receiving their presidential daily briefing the first time monday. what that is is a compilation of
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threats that's put together and assessment by the intelligence community of what is facing the united states. so that first briefing will come monday. as for other briefings, we're told by transition officials, i just got off a briefing a few moments ago with them, and they said they had more than 50 meetings, some virtual, some not, in terms of across the country. every government agency has been contacted and so far there is a sense of cooperation. now, they've gotten -- they've not gotten very deep into these conversations with the agencies, what they are doing necessarily. we will see how cooperative this is as time goes on. but we will see as this is well under way and we will also see more cabinet secretaries announced next week. the economic team, treasury secretary. the point of this case is joe biden is occupying the space of president-elect. he's moving forward, never mind what president trump is trying to do. the biden team is going forward on this and will also be
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delivering thanksgiving day address here this afternoon from wilmington, talking specifically about the sacrifices americans are making with the deep economic pain as well as the coronavirus, rising deaths and hospitalizations, kate. >> absolutely, where the focus must remain. thank you very much, jeff. good to see you, man. joining me to talk about this is dr. celine gounder, a member of the biden transition team covid advisory board. good to see you, doctor. as we heard from the president-elect talking -- and it's sad it's shocking to hear someone say that outreach has been sincere and it hasn't been begrudging. it should be standard course but it's good to hear that from the president-elect. how much outreach have you seen from the department of health and human services and the white house coronavirus task force so far? how would you describe it? >> the transition team and advisory board are starting discussions with members of the current administration, as
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president-elect biden has said, these outreaches have been sincere. i think, frankly, career bureaucrat scientists and other public health officials really just want to see a smooth transition. really just want to see us all come together and fight this common threat together. so they're invested in seeing this go through smoothly. >> what details do you still want and need? obviously, this is the very beginning of what will be in depth conversations but what details do you really want to see from hhs and the task force to be able to advise fully the appropriate approach to covid response when biden hits the ground on january 20th? >> big picture things like where do things stand with the supply chain? how much do we have in terms of personal protective equipment, where? in what state is that personal protective equipment? is it useable, expired?
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the same sorts of data on testing. and also where are we in terms of internal conversations with pharmaceutical companies, big retail chains, and their planning for scaling up vaccination and the like. there's a lot that goes into -- this is sort of like u.p.s. delivery. there's a lot of joe liftilogis involved and a lot of fine detail to drill down on. >> a lot of work, clearly, as you're laying it out there. the task force we are hearing is considering shortening the quarantine time needed for somebody who's been exposed to coronavirus. the standard view all along has been quarantine for 14 days. but now they seem to say evidence is suggesting a quarantine of ten days along with a test is what really is what's needed. what do you think of that? >> i was actually on the phone with a scientist at yale discussing this very question yesterday. and there do seem to be model of
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sciences that would suggest you could perhaps even shorten quarantine to eight days as lorlong as you do a test at the end of quarantine. this particular researcher is looking at the context of workers on oil rigs for a company in australia. these are folks who work in very tight quarters. if you have an outbreak on the oil rig, that shuts down the royoil rig. so there was interest to prevent how to weigh the risk and prevent transmission as efficiently as possible. i think this is one of the things as we learn more as the science progresses, we can be more and more targeted and less and less restrictive to what we suggest to prevent transmission. >> is this the type of advice president-elect biden is turning to you about, how to change the -- how to -- how the guidelines can evolve over time or what the guidelines should be when the administration takes
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over? >> yes, i think president-elect biden has been very clear he wants the science, scientists to be guiding our recommendations, our guidelines. this is what's so great about science, it does evolve, it does progress over time. as we learn more, we can change our recommendations so they're less burdensome on people while still protecting everybody. >> one concern, i have heard from you for a long time actually now, is about the availability of beds and availability of ppe across the country. so now with the spread of the virus so wide across the country, i almost think at this moment, forget the beds for a second. how real is the concern there's going to be a shortage of doctors and nurses, literally a shortage of hands to save lives? >> that is a real concern. so it's everything, it's everything from the beds to the ppe to the doctors and nurses. frankly, they are burned out, we are burned out. we had been fighting this for months. every time we see somebody not
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wearing a mask, every time we hear about somebody who just doesn't want to take those precautions, and as much as i can understand their own fatigue in all of this, it's also really a slap in the face of those health care workers who have been slaving away for months now trying to save lives, trying to do their best. so we're coming into the surge pretty demoralized, frankly. >> that's sadly i think maybe a perfect way of putting it. in terms of public health approach, and this is something you're an expert on, the ceo of qantas airlines said this week that they're going to require international travelers to be vaccinated before flying. i'm curious if you think that should become the norm, the norm with airlines but also in other industries and even when we're talking about schools. >> i do think we need to be very careful in how we structure those mandates because you need to think about who has access to the vaccines and if there are
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inequities in terms of access to the vaccines, are you then creating another layer of inequity in terms of who can fly and who can go to school and so on base on their access to the vaccine. so i think some of these things make sense 23r9 public health perspective but you also have to think about it in a broader fairness and justice perspective. >> yes, that's a great point. dr. gounder, thank you for coming in. >> happy thanksgiving. >> thank you, you too. coming up for us just in, president trump was planning to attend an event in pennsylvania, that was going to push the baseless election fraud claims in the commonwealth. the reason that trip was just canceled, wre cancel canceled, we just learned that next. and also possible pardons under discussion at the white house. is often unseen. because the pain you're feeling could be a sign of irreversible joint damage. every day you live with pain, swelling, and stiffness...
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this just in, president trump's planned trip to gettysburg, pennsylvania, today has been canceled. he was going to join rudy giuliani for an event focused entirely we're told on pushing baseless claims of voter fraud in the commonwealth, yes e. after the vote and result there have already been certified but now it's canceled, according to sources familiar. let's get over to john harwood. he's at the white house for us. john, what is going on here? >> what's going on, kate, yet another person in donald trump's inner circle, boras epstein, a campaign adviser tested positive. he announced that this morning, for coronavirus. he had been closely exposed to rudy giuliani, so they cancelled that trip. we need to say there's no big loss to the trip being canceled because there was no substance about it. it was a pr stunt to try to keep alive this story, which is not
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true, that the election was riddled with fraud and stolen from the president. what's really happening, kate, is the president's never had much interest in doing the actual work as president, but now that he's given up the coast on the transition of power flowing to joe biden, he's really checked out of the work of the presidency and he's focused on his future endeavors. so when you keep alive this fraud idea, you're rallying your base in case you want to run again, you're extracting money from them by raising money for their legal defense fund, you're excerpting control over the republican party and you're also communing with people, sending million plus people who voted for him who will be the base consumer for whatever commercial endeavor he's involved with in the future years. that's what he's doing. he's certainly not focused on the pandemic, not having public events, not taking questions from reporters. >> and not canceled because it
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looked bad, but canceled because it's dangerous because of the pandemic. the statement about where priorities land. >> right, right. may not be dangerous to the president because he's had coronavirus already, but dangerous to other people, including rudy giuliani. >> exactly. there's also new reporting about who president trump is looking to pardon before he leaves office. what are you hearing about that, john? >> this is also part of his focus on taking care of himself for the future. he's considering pardoning michael flynn, who, like paul manafort, like roger stone, landed in legal trouble during his term, may have information that subjected the president to legal exposure. he dangled a pashd to paul manafort while manafort was being prosecuted by robert mueller. mueller feigned cooperation and then mueller said he was lying to investigators, he was withholding information to protect the president. roger stone said he was withholding information for the president, would not flip on
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him. and michael flynn may also know things that are legally dangerous for president trump. and so the trump justice department had tried to walk back the prosecution of michael flim, the judge is holding up that process, delaying that process. and now there's serious consideration beginning to just pardon michael flynn, which would serve to shield the president for potential legal exposure after he leaves the presidency on january 20th. >> and likely not the only person who will be getting a pardon on his way out the door. good to see you, jeff. thank you. coming up, in the first sit-down interview since winning the election, president biden declares his administration will not be a third obama term. so what it be? the support we've had over the last few months has been amazing. it's not just a work environment. everyone here is family. if you are ready to open your heart
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points who represent the spectrum of the american people as well as the spectrum of the democratic party. >> that's president-elect joe biden saying clearly what his administration will not be, will not be a third term for barack obama. so what then will the biden presidency be? we're starting to get a sense. joining me now is someone who knows a little bit about presidential transitions, the top obama transition official and former chief of staff to president obama, jim messina. good to see you, jim. you may be biased on this one, i will say that straight out, but what is biden getting at when he so quickly says this is not going to be a third term of obama? because from your perspective, would that be a bad thing? >> look, i think it's true, the world changed because of the pandemic. we walk into a situation where we're going to have to reinvent health care delivery, the economy changed in ways we're now just starting to grapple with. and we have world leaders on the
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world stage that has drastically changed in the fough years since the vice president left office. so i think he's honest and right that everything changed and he's building a team to confront those challenges, not the challenges we walked into in 2008. >> what does it get to though? obviously even lester holt said, speak to people who think this is going to be a third term for barack obama. what biden is getting at is something even deeper than that? >> what he's getting at is what he wants to do and, and thii th he's done, have a team of confidantes and he's picked them, i know every single one of them, they are really competent and they have a direct connection to the vice president. which is very important. they are his team, not barack obama's team, my team, they are his team. and the people he picked are people he's comfortable with, understand what he wants to do
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and that's the most important thing. every one of these people he picked, he has a real relationship with and they can speak for him on the world stage. >> biden also said he's open to having reasons in his cabinet. on the flip side, i want to play for you what he said when he was asked about democrat elizabeth warner and independent bernie sanders. >> we already have significant representation amongst progressives in our administration but there's nothing really off the table. one thing is really critical, taking someone out of the senate, taking someone out of the house, particularly for a personal consequence, is really a difficult decision that would have to be made. i have a very ambitious, very progressive agenda, and it's going to take really strong leaders in the house and senate to get it done. >> so, jim, is that a no? and if so, that a problem? >> i think it's the right decision. i think you can argue we made a
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mistake in picking senators for a couple cabinet positions because they opened up seats where they later had to defend. you remember very well us losing senator ted kennedy's seat when he passed and barely held on to ken salazar. it created real problems in the administration. the second is he's a tightly controlled u.s. senate. whoever controls it will only control it by a seat. if you start getting rid of senior members like elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, other folks, you will take away leaders at a time he needs them for all of these close votes. i think he will just not touch the senate and look to other places, new leadership to get that representation. >> i also want to ask you since you talked about in the show today, it is a day of contrasts. you have the dow hitting 30,000 for the first time but you also have the lines at food bank as cross the country, is they're longer than ever in this moment. you have an incoming president talking about uniting the
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country and delivering a thanksgiving message. at the same time you have an outgoing president tweeting that the election isn't over and is fund-raising still off fighting the election. what do these contrasts mean for the path forward, jim? >> it shows how divided we are as a country. just unseated, only the third incumbent in 100 years. and in the same election, the republican party picked up seats in the house and held on to the senate. we are a divided country. and it's what joe biden's always promised to do to try to bring us together. that's not going to be easy but he's taking the right steps trying to lower the temperature, trying to put in perhaps some republicans, really have a wide, diverse array of people to confront these challenges. as you know indicatkate, i now d politics and i had someone text me and say it's great to have the u.s. back on the world stage, we missed you. at the same time we have these
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huge challenges at home kate, economically, health care wise, that are really going to impact us. i think it's time to do what he promised to do, lower the temperature and try to bring the countries together. but it is a badly divided country. >> it sure is. and not a freudian slip there, jim. not a freudian slip. i have to stick it to you when i can. good to see you, thank you very much coming up -- los angeles shut down outdoor dining to fight back the covid surge, cutting off a livhood for restaurants and sparking a heated debate. ahhhahh! i'm saved! water tastes like, water. so we fixed it. mio.
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in los angeles county, officials are taking new action as covid deaths are jumping there. the county reported 51 new deaths yesterday, the highest number in more than two months. the number of people hospitalized also nearly doubled in the past two weeks. now the county is shutting down outdoor dining starting tonight. as cnn's stephanie elam reports, some restaurants are pushing back. >> reporter: outdoor dining, it's a year-around perk. restaurants can usually offer their customers in southern
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california. but during the pandemic, it's been crucial for eateries helping to keep many of them afloat, while still complying with covid-19 restrictions. >> we have customers that come here almost three to four times a week. >> reporter: yet as covid cases soar, hitting daily record numbers surpassing the highs of the summer surge, l.a. county is once again pausing outdoor dining, this time for at least three weeks. >> we do, of course, like every other county have examples of people who become infected while they're dining at restaurants. just having a few thousand restaurants not in compliance, particularly on the distancing requirement, can create additional risks for exposures. >> reporter: in mid-march we visited toast bakery just as they were forced to shut down. clearly, this was even before masks were mandatory. >> this is a ghost town compared to what generally we have business wise in the early morning. like this restaurant is pretty popping with people sitting outside and enjoying being able to come into a cafe and right
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now we have nobody. >> reporter: over the summer, restaurants adapted new protocols from face shields and digital menus to less tables and more space. as the county allowed outdoor dining again, helping some restaurants limp along in a painful year. and that pain is why some officials are against the renewed ban. many county supervisor kathryn barger said restaurants are being punished for the recent surge they have done everything in their power to prevent. restaurants like toast will be forced to cut jobs again this year. many on their team have been with the business since it opened nearly 18 years ago. >> we ended up losing probably more than half our staff. we had to hire new staff once we got back to outdoor dining. >> reporter: in l.a. county, do you feel like this is the right decision right now? >> i feel like we want to support, obviously, and be part of the solution but because we have taken such precautions and we've done so much to try to keep our staff, our customers safe, i really feel like we're
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not so much the part that's making the numbers go up. >> reporter: customers like ken agrees. he said he's eaten at toast just about every day for 15 years. >> you're going to put all of these places out of business. they're barely surviving now. you're basically saying if you're going to socialize, do it inside. do it in your house. i think that will raise your infection rate and sort of lower it. >> reporter: as for toast, it will rely on to go and delivery orders to get by as well as what has made them such a popular eatery. >> i think we give one of the best customer services in town and our food is delicious. >> reporter: now it's worth noting the los angeles county city council decided overwhelmingly they wanted to keep these restaurants open. however, the county board of supervisors narrowly defeated that idea, and going along with what health officials are saying, any time you have people close together without their mask on for a prolonged time, that is a danger. even though there isn't really
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clear data that shows people are getting sick from eating outside. nevertheless, a lot of people are very concerned that the tables and people eating outside won't be here for the rest of the year at least, kate. >> such a hard call. stephanie, thank you so much for bringing us that story. really appreciate it. coming up, dr. anthony fauci asking a question that many american families need to consider, what vaccine could mean for their elderly relatives. this holiday season,
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staten island to help with the rising number of coronavirus cases. the facility was last set up in the spring in the height of the first surge in new york. new york is now seeing more daily cases than at any time since that point. you can see there. we're on staten island outside the emergency facility and shimon is joining us now. what are you hearing about why this is needed and what could it mean in the coming weeks? >> for staten island certainly, they're seeing a surge in cases that is very alarming for the governor. they're seeing hospitalization triple in the last three weeks. and they have not seen these number of people in the hospital because of covid in six months. so the hospital has asked for some extra help and they opened a facility here behind me where they're already getting patients. people are already being admitted. these are less critical patients but nonetheless, it is significant they're already getting patients, all in an
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effort to lessen the burden here hospital officials on staten island are seeing because the number of cases continue to rise. the governor just finishing up, actual actually having his press conference, talking about staten island and concern he has that the burden and number of cases is placing on the hospitals. but as we go forward in the days, tomorrow is thanksgiving and the days after thanksgiving and the christmas holiday, there's growing concern that hospitals all across new york city are going to see a rise in cases and they will have to open up more facilities like this behind me, kate. >> more field hospitals that will need to be opened up again. talk about terrible deja vu that you and i talked about so many hours during the spring. let's hope not. thank you very much, i appreciate it. still ahead of thanksgiving, dr. anthony fauci poses a question every family across the country should consider. >> if you have a person who's elderly, who has an underlying
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condition that makes them more susceptible to the serious consequences of infection, do you really want to have that gathering or should you say i know it hurts not to do it because this is such a beautiful, traditional season, but hang in there with us because there will be future times where you can do it so maybe a sacrifice now of something that you really like would pay off in the protection of the health and safety of a loved one. >> a tough question, especially for millions of families whose elderly relatives have been isolated for months at this point, months and months. and even more so for those in long-term care facilities, as cases are rising once again among the most vulnerable populations. joining me is mark parkerson, president and ceo of the american health care association, which represents over 14,000 long-term care facilities across the country. mark, we hear dr. fauci's concern about family gatherings
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this holiday. you have a very specific perspective on this. how concerned are you about this holiday? >> well, we are extremely concerned. i mean, unfortunately, our worst nightmare has come true, the rapid increase in cases across the country has led to a rapid increase of cases in nursing homes. we had a high of 10,000 a week back in spring. we worked really hard, got the ppe we needed, kept tcut the ra half and last week we had 500,000 people in nursing homes diagnosed with covid and the tragedy is 25% will die, 2,500 people. so the decisions we all collectively make over the next four days will determine if thousands of more people die or whether we will make the small sacrifices we need to make to keep them alive, and as dr. fauci has said, in just a few more months, once we have the vaccine to get together and celebrate then. it's really up to us.
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>> this number >> the numbers cow cannot deny. you have been shouting from the roof top from the beginning that you have to follow the science and the numbers and these numbers are devastating. mark, i spoke to the kentucky governor yesterday and one of his greatest concerns is long term care facilities in his state. i want to play how he describes what he is seeing in his state. >> take our long term care facilities. we are testing our workers there three times a week but we still can't keep covid out of the facilities because the community spread is so high. one of the most heartbreaking examples is we have a veterans home in willmore, kentucky. we kept covid out until the middle of october and since then we have lost 27 veterans to covid-19. >> 27 veterans have died in that
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facility in just the last month. if even more testing can't slow this down, mark, what is happening here? >> even in facilities like those yvet veterans homes in kentucky, testing three times a week, wearing ppe all the time, this virus is so contagious that even under the best of infection control we are not able to keep it out. the answer is socially distancing in the general public, celebrate thanksgiving but at home with people you live with. we can stop it and all we have to do is look at other countries. if you look at china, we have twice as many new covid kass every day that china has had in the entire pandemic. now, they're not a free society and we are and i'm not suggesting that we become authoritarian but if we wear a
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mask, socially distance, make a few sacrifices we can bring the numbers down. >> oh god. i want to ask you quickly about a vaccine. the cdc this week, the advisory board, debated whether residents of the long term facilities to receive the first doses of a vaccine. i'm curious what you would say if the residents were not at the top of the priority list. >> it would be the worst public policy decision in the history of the country. if we take 4 million, 5 million of the vaccines and vaccinate them and the employees we know that we will overnight cut deaths 30% or 40% because the deaths are curing in those facilities so there are a ton of people that deserve to have the vaccine very early on and sympathetic with them and will fight for them but for goodness' sake let's not debate.
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miscarriage in july. writing about how it began while she was holding her firstborn in her arms. writing this, quote, after changing his diaper i felt a sharp cramp and dropped to the floor humming a lullaby to keep us both calm. the cheerful tune a stark contrast to the sense that something was not right. i knew as i clutched my firstborn child that i was losing my second. let me bring in cnn's max foster. it's really beautifully written essay. what's behind it? what are you hearing? why did she want to open up in this way? >> reporter: well, there is a genesis to it. she was sitting hospital after that event you just described there with prince harry and she looked at him, wanted to say something and asked him if he was okay and she feels that's the first step of healing and writing this. we have learned that when people ask how any of us are doing and really listen to the answer with
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open heart and mind the load of grief often becomes lighter for all of us. being invited to share our pain together we take the first step towards healing. in reference to miscarriage, she says these are conversations not held enough. too many people suffer grief in isolation. you need to ask people how they are. are they okay? she broadens it out to the pandemic, to black lives matter, talking about in the run of up to thanksgiving many people feeling lonely and isolated. you need to go out there, ask them if they're okay, not just to be a kind perhap bson but to that person in a first step of healing. >> speaking out in the way she is, speaking out with her voice like that, especially about a miscarriage, speaking out in that way is very powerful. we know that.
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women and men and families suffer in silence with miskarchs or infertility. thank you for bringing it. thank you so much for joining us this hour. nia-malika henderson picks up the coverage right now. hello to the viewers in the united states and around the world. a new reminder that the coronavirus is a constant threat, the president scrapping his first planned trip since election day, a gop election dispute event, with rudy giuliani in pennsylvania after the president's personal lawyer was exposed to a second coronavirus case. president-elect joe biden delivers a thanksgiving address this afternoon, a appeal for unity saying the republicans who are on his short list for his cabinet that immigration is a first hundred days
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