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every situation. may they rest in peace on this thanksgiving holiday weekend. i'm jim acosta, thanks for watching. erin burnett out front starts right now. have a happy thanksgiving. stay safe. two different leaders on displi as the country heads into thanksgiving. president-elect biden pleading for the country to come together as president trump goes off on the election making new baseless claims that he won. plus coronavirus numbers surging tonight. deaths and hospitalizations hitting alarming highs as many americans ignore warnings and travel. president trump announcing a full pardon for michael flynn, his former national security adviser who admitted lying the the fbi about contacts with russia. who's next? let's go "outfront." >> good evening. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett. tonight, the most clear contrast of who these men are, the
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outgoing president and the incoming. tomorrow is going to be for in the most difficult thanksgiving ever as the country is mourning the loss of more than 260,000 americans to a deadly virus that is currently surging in every part of the country. more than 88,000 americans are sick enough with the virus to be requiring hospital care right now. the president-elect spoke to the nation this afternoon calling for, almost pleading for unit and strength. >> we fought nearly a year long battle with a virus that has devastated this nation. it's divided us, angered us, set us against one another. i know the country has grown weary of the fight. we need to remember we're at war with a virus, not with one another, not with each other. this is the moment where we need to steel our spines, redouble
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our efforts and recommit ourselves to the fight. let's remember, we're all in this together. >> joe biden also saying this year's election is something all americans, those who voted for him and those who did not, all americans should be thankful for. what should we be thankful for in democracy itself. in the middle of a pandemic, more people voted this year than has ever voted in the history of the united states of america over 150 million people cast the ballot. simply extraordinary. many waiting in line five, six, seven, eight hours to vote. if you want to know what beats deep in the heart of americans, this, democracy. the right to determine our lives, our government and our leaders. >> that was joe biden today.
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at essentially the very same time, within minutes honestly, president trump didn't say these things. president trump was literally phoning it in, calling in for a pr stunt set up by his attorneys and pennsylvania republicans to continue hyping his baseless voter fraud claims. >> this was an election that we won easily. we won it by a lot. this election was rigged and we can't let that happen. we can't let it happen for our country and this election has to be turned around because we won pennsylvania by a lot and we won all of these swing states by a lot. >> none of that is true. won the swing states by a lot? none of that is true. that is his focus, as america is facing this terrible surge and a dark winter battling this virus. that is not all. cnn is learning tonight that trump invited republican lawmakers he addressed via
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speaker phone, invited them to the white house tonight to meet with him. this is some of them arriving just minutes ago. jeremy diamond is at the white house. arlette saenz, such a contrast between the president-elect and the president of the united states. >> reporter: it came on many fronts. you had president-elect joe biden talking about the coronavirus pandemic and the losses that so many people in this country have faced at a time when president trump has not been talking about covid-19 as cases are rising across the country. you also had biden issuing a call for unit after a divisive election and talking about how people should be thankful for the power of democracy at a time when president trump continues to cast doubt about the election and its results. so much of this speech was
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classic joe biden. he talked ability the soul of the nation, quoted scripture and also talked about the personal losses that he himself has endured as he was trying to make that personal connection with people who have lost loved ones across the country during this pad. biden also even talked about his own thanksgiving plans being impacted. the biden familiarry is foregoing their traditionally large thanksgiving gathering and instead it's going to be biden and three other family members celebrating this holiday. what you're seeing from biden is this call for people to engage in collective action to combat the coronavirus. he says you cannot become fatigued by it, because it's important to care for each other and yourselves. >> arlette, let me get over to jeremy diamond at the white house. we were showing pictures of some of those republicans from pennsylvania arriving to the white house. this meeting in the west wing, very clearly the latest sign
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that the president, president trump is not concerned at all about bringing the country together this thanksgiving. >> reporter: no question about it, kate. president trump has shown over the last three weeks that his only focus is trying to save face from this election defeat. he believes he can do that one of two ways, either by overturning the results of the election which is unlikely if no, ma'am impossible to do, or the next best alternative is to delegitimize this election, dele jiet mize died's victory and his own loss at the same time. he has done this in the face of joe biden's attempts to unify the country, in the face of republican members of congress beginning to say it's time to move on. he has also done this most importantly in the face of the deadliest surge of coronavirus that this country has ever seen. and so it's so striking in moments like these when you see the president of the united states not only not saying the things that joe biden is saying in terms of urging americans to
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take the steps, take precautions ahead of this thanksgiving as this coronavirus pandemic and as this thanksgiving are expected to collide essentially in a potentially dangerous way, but also to hear the president of the united states then not only not say those things, but instead focus on undemocratic things, like trying to overturn the results of the election which we heard the president say repeatedly over the day. that is clearly again where his head is. >> explicitly saying we need to overturn this, explicitly saying when he was on speaker phone. thank you, today, jeremy, let's see what comes from this meeting. out front, former special adviser to president obama van jones. cnn senior political analyst john avlon, thank you for being here. van, i want to start with the president-elect's message. what do you think of joe biden's message today?
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it was a sober one. >> listen, that's a beautiful man, a beautiful human being. he's not worrying about himself. he's not complaining that his transition has been sabotaged, not complaining that someone is trying to delegitimize him. none of it. he's focused on the american people, focused on bringing us together, focused on the pain and fear that people are going through and he's trying to be a healer. he's standing in the breach. if you had a hollywood movie you'd say nobody could be as awful as trump and nobody could be as good as joe biden, but here we are. >> the contrast today was really -- it's undeniable, the contrast that they drew themselves, laura, from joe biden speaking the the nation and donald trump on speaker phone at a, quote, unquote,
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hearing, pr stunt in pennsylvania. really you couldn't draw it anymore perfectly. let me play a little more from joe biden. >> we don't talk much about love in our politics. the political ring is too loud, to angry, too heated, to love our neighbor as ourselves is a radical act. yet, that's what we're called to do. we must try. for only in trying, only in listening, only in seeing ourselves as bound together in what dr. king called the mutual garment of destiny can we rise above divisions and truly heal. >> calling for unit is one thing and an important thing and something he has done consistently. making it happen is something else entirely. does biden's team have a plan to move to that? >> well, they're going to be
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leaning on his experience and his history with congress, and having worked closely during his years in the senate with republicans as well as members of his own party. democrats in congress are already saying there's a clear difference between a biden administration and the obama administration, not that they're trying to disparage the obama administration, but that biden and his team are reaching out in ways that, as we all know, obama didn't to members of congress. that being said, it's going to be a huge challenge for biden given the political atmosphere, the polarization, the fact that mitch mcconnell, the leader of the senate, the republican leader, and biden have not spoken to date since he's been named president-elect, since he won the election is telling. a lot of republicans are still very much wedded to trump and are following his lead. biden's team is clear-eyed so
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far about the obstacles they're going to face. progressive democrats would probably wish that they would be willing to battle a little bit more. but biden so far is saying he thinks he's going to be able to work with republicans when he finally enters office. >> yet another contrast. biden is saying that, from what we've heard from president trump. john, let's show the contrast again. let's hear the contrast yet again, from joe biden's message to the nation ahead of thanksgiving and donald trump on speaker phone with rudy giuliani as he's trying to make this case in pennsylvania of completely unfounded and baseless allegations that the election was rigged. listen to this. >> in america we have full and fair and free elections. >> this election was rigged. >> and then we honor the results. >> and this election has to be turned around. >> the people of this nation, the laws of the land, won't stand for anything else. >> it's a disgrace that this is
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happening to our country. we won this election by a lot. >> it is actually night and day, john. >> yeah. the contrast has been clear through out the campaign. it's a reflection of their character, and it's been reflected in their campaign strategies from the beginning. biden has run as a uniter in a very divided time. trump cannot stop to divide this country. it's all he knows how to do. the last line that trump say, we won this election by a lot. let's not normalize that lie, because it is delusional. it's a political equivalent of someone standing outside and saying that the sky is green, that the moon is made out of cheese and they're napoleon. it's pathetic. it shows a fundamental disrespect for fact and reality, and frankly his supporters as well. it's a symptom of an unwell person. we should not normal lies it
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because it's just trump lying trying to overturn the election as he wants to do. no, he's delusional. people who follow him are being sucked into a vortex by someone who is struggling with his own soul. >> van, can we also just call it what it is. the president, really, he wants to keep raising money for his post white house life. that is what he's doing off these legal challenges. the campaign has sent at least -- i think the last count was 345 emails, fund-raising appeals to supporters. that's since election night. that's what this is. >> that's certainly a part of it, continuing to make money off of his backers, his followers, his supporters and lying to them saying i need your money because we've got to fight this thing. you read in the fine print, the vast majority doesn't go to any of these bogus legal challenges. it goes to pay off his campaign debt. what you may be seeing is a
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model for trump going forward, just continue to whip up his supporters, fleece them, sucker them out of money and try to make it impossible for joe biden to govern. that is one thing for sure, not america first. this guy came on the scene. he said the political elite had sold the country down the river, they were putting other countries first. he was going to put america first. where is that guy now? this is putting trump first. he's become i think probably, as president and beyond, one of the biggest risk factors to american stability and prosperity, the sitting president of the united states. >> drum is trying to fight the results of the election, overturn the results of the election and biden is saying that the transition so far is moving along, and the outreach from the trump administration so far has been sincere, is how he's put it.
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this is all -- just moves on without donald trump. >> it's not just a question of biden seeking good will. this is one of the things that folks don't often focus on. while the president is causing maximum chaos and disruption, there is a cadre of folks in the white house, not all of them. there are the sycophants for sure, but there's a group of folks who try to serve this country as best they can, knowing that the president is captain chaos. they are committed to a peaceful transfer of power because they're actually motivated by the country, not by some cult of personality support of donald trump. that's what you're seeing, that division inside the administration. people trying to do good jobs for their country in difficult circumstances, are trying to hand it off while the president is trying to blow up the democracy to elevate his own self. >> glad we're ending on an up lifting tone. good to see you all. thank you so much. "outfront," president-elect biden urging people to hang on
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and take precautions as a vaccine is on the way. there are alarming signs across the country. plus, president trump granting a pardon for former national security adviser michael flynn. is this just the beginning of presidential pardons. hundreds of millions of dollars being spent on the two senate runoffs in georgia. will money be the deciding factor? i'll talk to candidate jon ossoff. he's our guest. clearly, velveeta melts creamier. to high quality computer science and stem education. ♪ i joined amazon because i wanted to change education and i am impatient. amazon gives me the resources to change the world at a pace that i want to change it. ♪ we provide students stem scholarships
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breaking news. more than 2,000 americans lost to the coronavirus today alone. that number already approaching yesterday's death toll which was the deadliest that we've seen since early may. it also comes as the u.s. reports 15 straight days of record hospitalizations. as we see these troubling numbers, president-elect joe biden is delivering this optimistic message. listen. >> i'm hoping the news of the vaccine will serve as an incentive to every american to take these simple steps to get control of the virus. there's real hope, tangible hope. so hang on. don't let yourself surrender to the fatigue, which i understand it's real fatigue. i know we can and we will beat this virus. >> dr. william schaffner and professor ot infectious disease
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at vanderbilt. dr. joon than reiner advised under president george bush. dr. ryder, joe biden's focus today in talking about covid fatigue, talking about hanging in there, it's a very important message, but what kind of impact does it have this many months in when the message has not been that from president trump? >> i think it has a huge impact. i thought it was basically a hurricane of fresh air. we're finally hearing a consistent message from our incoming leadership about what we need to do to stay safe. even more, i really was inspired by his words. it's been a long time since we've had leadership that has seemed to pull the country
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togeth together. president theodore roosevelt once said that no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care. now during this transition, the american people are starting really to get a sense that i think the incoming president really does care. his message of holding on because help is on the way is a very hopeful message. all the docs i know share that message. we have a tough couple months coming, but there is true light at the end of the tunnel. so i really appreciated his message today. >> dr. schaffner, the hope is out there, but the numbers are grim in the united states. 15 straight days of record hospitalizations. today is set to become one of the deadliest since early may. yet the tsa says millions of people are flying, and it's breaking records -- breaking that kind of a record, how many people are taking to the skies. how bad do you think it's going
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to get when you see this happening around thanksgiving? >> shucks, kate, you gave dr. reiner all the good news and you give bill all the bad news. it is kind of serious news here, with all those people traveling and then at their destinations spending a lot of time indoors in a warm family relationship with extended families, the virus is going to attend some of those thanksgiving dinners and will spread i'm afraid. and then people will come home. some of them will become ill, spread it further into their families and into their neighborhoods. and in a week, more likely two weeks, we will see a surge upon a surge of illness. dr. reiner will see more people in his emergency room. we'll have to admit them to our hospitals. i think we're in for a tough time before we get to that light
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at the end of the tunnel. >> dr. reiner, a lot of people are making tough choices because of this. and then there's this. the mayor of denver we found out, denver, colorado, michael hancock, he's apologizing today, dr. reiner, after flying today for thanksgiving to join his wife and daughter in mississippi. he did that after urging all denver residents to essentially do exactly the opposite. we're showing a tweet of what he sent out this morning. he then had to send out a tweet moments ago saying this in part, i apologize to the residents of denver and i humbly ask you to forgive decisions that are born of my heart and not my head. going to the airport and flying when he's telling people to not travel for thanksgiving. all of the residents of denver, this is the opposite of practicing what you preach. >> it makes me angry because behavior has consequences.
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tonight and tomorrow -- so on thanksgiving, when people are sitting down with people they really love and care about to celebrate this national holiday, millions of americans will be working in hospitals. hospitals that are just being slammed. and the kind of behavior that the mayor of denver demonstrated is going to propagate this virus. what we need from our leaders is -- are examples of selfless behavior, not selfish behavior. i think the mayor of denver was incredibly selfish. everybody would like to travel, but it's just not safe. shame on him. >> dr. schaffner, the mayo clinic has said it's bringing staff in from out of state to help deal with the surge there. one top doctor saying they had about 1,400 of their staff who were out either with covid or
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covid restrictions. they're having to bring in nurses and other staff in arizona and florida to fill the gaps. i'm left wondering what this means. this isn't just a shortage in minnesota. every state across the country is facing a surge right now at the very same time. >> yeah. that's certainly true, kate. we're borrowing from peter to pay paul. we're all going to be in this soup, if you will, quite soon i think. our own hospitals here are not quite that stretched yet, but we can see it coming, so we're preparing for that. this is an issue where, if we all got together, wore the masks and did the social distancing, we could bend this curve within two or three weeks. we would see actually transmission go down even before we get to the vaccines. one of the things i'm a little bit concerned of is these
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vaccines are so attractive that perhaps some people will just lay back and say, oh, i don't have to do these things anymore because the vaccine is just around the corner. of course, it will take us months to vaccinate so many millions of people. so we'll all have to do these things for the foreseeable future together for ourselves, but also for each other. we need to come together on this. >> thank you both very much. thank you. appreciate it. tonight, another 778,000 americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week. that's what we've learned. this is the first time -- this is the first time -- applied for first time unemployment benefits last week. this is the first time that jobless claims have risen for a second week in a row. that rise is coming at the worst time, as we start the holiday season.
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tonight, los angeles county is shutting down even outdoor dining due to the surge of coronavirus cases there. the move throwing more uncertainty at restaurants and their employees again at the worst time. out front with me now, one of those owners, tom sobik 's stor we've been following throughout the pandemic. how much of a blow will this deal to your business? >> this is going to absolutely devastate and decimate our industry. we can't keep taking on these blows, especially with no federal relief or aid from anybody else. we've pivoted so many times and spent so much money on all these pivots, this just can't keep going on without help. >> you've already been -- you've already been through the
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wringer. the initial shutdown in the spring that hit every restaurant, then the fight to get relief funds. then focusing on outdoor dining, we can see it behind you, that's been your focus. and then you have this. you've spent tens of thousands of dollars to make this work. as you call, you keep pivoting. if this goes on for three weeks or longer, quite frankly, do you think you'll be in a place where you can keep pivoting, or do you think you'll be in a place where you might be forced to give up? >> well, we're going to try to pivot and create a we home night market where we can support a bunch of local chefs and shops. even with takeout, the money is not there. it's not enough to cover all our expenses. we want to try to keep people employed for the holidays, but l.a. county is putting us in a
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tough position. people want to go out. outdoor beaches and parks are still open. go karts are still open. but for whatever reason outdoor dining can be opened. you can gather at home privately with 15 people, but you can't come outside to a restaurant. there's no rhyme or rhythm on why they're making this decision. so we just need a little more transparency with our local officials. >> even short of transparency or even getting help, you hit on something that i think is important not to miss here. it's not just coming at you again, another round of having to figure out what to do when you're going to get really hit. you're going to get killed again. but happening to you and all of your employees right as you're heading into thanksgiving. what are you hearing -- what is this like for you and your employees? >> it's difficult. some of my employees are still behind on rent. some of them are living paycheck
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to paycheck. again, there's no federal relief. the senate is on vacation, so every time they close us down, they need to make sure there's relief to help aid us through this time, because we can't keep taking on this burden. in a few weeks, many more restaurants will close down permanently. we're just hoping to not be one of them. >> that's the disconnect, the burden that you bear on the ground and do leaders in washington even come close to understand what you're up against as they continue to not bring federal relief when they know they need to. tom, thank you very much. good luck. >> you're welcome. breaking news, president trump pardons his former national security adviser, michael flynn who admitted lying to the fbi.
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breaking news, president trump has pardoned his former national security adviser michael flynn, the president tweeting that out in a statement just tonight, just a little while ago. here is what he said in part. it is my great honor to announce that general michael flynn has been granted a full pardon. he also added, i know you will now have a truly fantastic thanksgiving. this brings to an end the long and drawn-out legal battle for flynn over his contact with russians and later lying about it. jessica schneider is out front with more on this. his case has been stuck in legal limbo. now it's very clearly over. >> very much over, kate. this pardon for flynn, it abruptly ends what has been a three-year legal saga. until this afternoon it was a federal judge in washington still deciding whether to drop the case as the doj had asked or to sentence flynn. that's because in may, the
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justice department suddenly changed course saying they were dropping flynn's charges even though he had twice admitted to lying. it was judge emmitt sullivan in d.c. who stepped in, second-guessing whether doj could even do that since flynn previously pleaded guilty. tonight we're told the doj was not consulted about trump's plans for a pardon, though they were given a heads up today we're told. a justice department official put it this way, saying they would have preferred the matter to be resolved in course since they thought they would be successful getting the case dropped. ultimately they say this was an appropriate use of the president's power. two hours before michael flynn was pardoned, he tweeted this, a reference to the bible passage jeremiah 119. the passage says they will fight against you but will not overcome you. flynn also just tweeted, #fightlikeaflynn in a statement
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where his family thanked the president. michael flynn feeling vindicated now that he's been sheltered from any prison time by the president. there are questions about whether flynn could face additional charges under the biden administration since we know flynn also admitted to lying about his lobbying work for turkey. we'll see what happens. >> so it continues. out front for us now. nick ackerman who served as assistant special prosecutor during watergate and ann millgram, former attorney general. ann, this was somewhat expected. what was your reaction? >> it was expected. i think most of us were of the view that this would happen. the reason why is even though the federal judge hasn't yet ruled on the department of you its's motion to dismiss the case against michael flynn. it's clear on january 20th there will be a new attorney general. if the junl hadn't ruled, it's
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very possible the department of justice would reverse course, reinstate the case and michael flynn would have gone to prison. it was very clear that the president has been trying all along through bill barr to get rid of this case. it was expected. it's still, kate, disappointing. michael flynn pled guilty in court twice. he stood up, raised his right hand under oath and basically said he lied to the federal bureau of investigation. then we watched the whole department of justice go through what i think was a very political effort to get the case dismissed. it's very expected. it's consistent with what we've seen the president do. nevertheless, i think it is disappointing. >> nick, you're one of a group of prosecutors who had been pushing the judge in this case to not throw it out. what do you think of this? >> i think you have to look at the big picture here. the big picture is that this is part of the continuing coverup of donald trump's efforts to conceal what happened between his campaign in 2016 with the
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russian government. it started with jim comey, his firing because he refused to basically give an oath of loyalty to donald trump. it continued when robert mueller was appointed, the continuing threats of firing mueller and his staff. it continued with roger stone who w-- his sentence was commuted. other than donald trump there were three key people that dealt with russia during the campaign and were knowledgeable about the campaign's situation with the russian government. that was general flynn, it was roger stone and it was paul manafort. roger stone's sentence for 40 months has been commuted. paul manafort somehow is now serving his sentence at home as opposed to in a federal prison. i guarantee you he's next on deck. what we're watching now is essentially the last chapter in "the godfather" where the mob boss goes out and makes sure
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he's buttoned down the hatches and everybody is on board. he's making sure that all of these people are going to be loyal to him. they're not going to rat him out and not reveal what occurred between the campaign and the russian government. that's what's going on here. that's what this is part of. it's part of a much bigger scheme that's been going on since 2016. >> anne, the way nikolays it out, i wonder who is left to pardon? we know drum once turned on michael flynn when he fired him, saying he had to fire him because he lied. of course, it came out in a tweet. no surprise. he said he fired him because he had lied to the vice president and lied to the fbi, is what the president said. now we see how this turns around, after a clear pr campaign that played out on fox news by attorney sydney powell, the same sydney powell that the
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trump campaign ousted from his legal team. with all of that and the way nick lays it out, who is left on the list? >> i agree with nick completely, that paul manafort i think will be pardoned. he's serving a sentence. the president could commute his sentence or he could give him a full pardon. i think there will be many others, kate. thinking about -- i think nick is right that there's all these individuals who were convicted related to the election interference, the investigation into whether or not russia had interfered with the election. that's one group of folks. there are other folks that i would expect the president may look to pardon. his longtime associate, elliott broidy, a huge fund-raiser for him. there's reporting about jared kushner's father who was convicted in the district of new jersey. i think we'll see a lot more pardons in days to come. >> so stand by to stand by. good to see you both.
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tonight more than 287 million dollars in ads are flooding the airwaves in georgia, and there are still weeks left before the crucial runoff senate election in that state. who knows how much more is going to go there. republicans are spending about $60 million more than democrats on ad spending right now. these two senate races in georgia will decide who controls the senate as joe biden is heading into office. that's why they are so critical. out front now, one of the candidates running, democratic jon ossoff challenging the incumbent, senator david perdue. in the first round, to reviend our viewers, perdue ended up with about 88,000 more votes than you. when you see that republicans are outspending your party on ads by $60 million right now,
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how much does that concern you? >> it doesn't concern me. yes, it was the closest senate race in the country, but what we have in georgia is a huge advantage in our ground game. the work that has been done over the last ten years to register voters, build infrastructure, volunteer recruitment, we're putting all that to work with a profound determination to win because the stakes are so high. families here in georgia, like families across the country, are about to celebrate thanksgiving with empty seats at the table, without extended family, having gone through tragedy this year, in economic distress. and our ability to respond to this pandemic and to invest in economic recovery and get financial relief to people depends upon victory here. so we are determined to win, and we are going to outhustle the other side on the ground to make it happen. >> this is set to be one of the
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most expensive senate races probably ever. the reason i bring that up is because, after losing another very expensive senate race, jamie harrison who ran against lindsey graham in south carolina, he was asked this week what he learned from his loss in south carolina that could actually help you guys in georgia. listen to what he said. >> the one thing is, you've got to punch back and you've got to punch back hard. you can't allow them to define who you are. you have to help define who they are. >> speaking there to john berman. do you think you've done that? do you think you need to go more negative? >> well, i think we've made clear to the people of georgia that david perdue is a crook who abused his office to enrich himself, but it's not enough just to expose david perdue. we also have to present a positive vision at a moment of suffering when people are looking for direction and leadership. the country is crying out for
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healing after four years of division and hatred. we're looking at these cases spike now in this third wave. the death toll is mounting. we have to chart the course out of this crisis and into the next era in our country's history. so in the short-term, that's empowering the medical experts and >> we have to inspire people and not just make them afraid. we have to fill people with hope and energize them to get out of the polls. >> you mentioned trump. the republican secretary of state in georgia, he condemned
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president trump's false claim of fraud in georgia. by all account, georgia had a successful election. my family voted for him and donated to him and being thrown under the bus by him. knowing that, raffensperger is not going to vote for him but do you find yourself supporting the secretary of state and other republican candidates calling him for resign. >> well, he's shown some admiralab admirable spine. the state of georgia has a long way to go to ensure true access to ballot is real for every eligible voters here. there are still obstacles to free exercise of the franchise. the bottom line here is this. perdue and lefler is attacking
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the left. the will of the people boiled over because there are such a demand for change and now again to your earlier question is about inspiring people to get back out there. i need help to do that. go ahead. >> i was saying that's a huge challenge. getting them to come out again. that's why the fight continues for you. jon ossoff, thank you for coming on. happy thanksgiving to you and your family. we have invited senator perdue on out front. he has not responded. he's welcome to come onto speak with me and us any time. >> the prep school field trip that takes students behind bars. now, braava jet mops right where you need it with an adjustable precision jet spray and an advanced pad system. and offers personalized cleaning suggestions unique to your home. braava jet m6 and the irobot home app.
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. tonight an unlikely experience, prison and prep school brought together and forming lasting bond over literature. that's the focus of this sunday's season premier with "this is life" with lisaling.
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here is a preview. >> how are you guys feeling? >> nervous. >> guiding students through security gates is the boys' english teacher. >> you talk about what the boys are about to embark on before they go in. >> it is tricky because you don't want to giveaway too much. you want to be a surprise and healthy shock. geography matters. getting kids out in the community matters. a lot of good stuff to see out there. >> the host of "this is life," lisa ling. it is great to see you. why did you want to tell this story, what drew you to it? >> thank you for having me on, kate. this is an interesting program. it is an elected course at the
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catholic boys school. a group of boys go into the prison in solidad which houses the most prisoners in the state of california and they read literature. what happens during the course of those eight weeks is incredible transformative and you would think that the impact would be felt greatest by the incarcerated men but in actuality because these group of men in the reading program are so candid about their crimes and their past, they're so remorseful of the things they had done but also recognize the trauma they experienced in their childhood and how it paves their lives. it gave the boys lessons to talk about things they may have never shared with their closest friends and family members. i remember hearing some of the boys say i knew aiden since i was a little kid and i never
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knew his dad had als and passed away. it invited these boys to be able to communicate and express their feelings. it was a remarkable experience. i knew i had to tell the story when i found out about something a group of inmates did a couple of years ago after reading the novel, a group of inmates started a scholarship fund to raise money for a young man to attend the palmer school which is expensive, again, catholic boy school. there was a young man graduated last year whose education was entirely paid for by a bunch of prison inmates at ctf. >> it is fascinating. your approach, i love your approach is so fascinating all the time. god love that professor and that teacher that says "don't let school get in the way of your
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education." remarkable. you take us inside these amazing sections of the world around us. thank you very much, lisa. this is part one. it is actually back-to-back episodes on sunday so you got more to come. lisa, thank you so much. >> don't miss a new season with "this is life" with lisalin linn back-to-back episodes. thank you all for joining me, "ac 360" starts now. >> tonight two visions separated by, well, reality. john berman here in for anderson. there is breaking news tonight. the president's pardon of mi michael fliynn. first president-elect biden and the president both addressed the public