education." remarkable. you take us inside these amazing sections of the world around us. thank you very much, lisa. this is part one. it is actually back-to-back episodes on sunday so you got more to come. lisa, thank you so much. >> don't miss a new season with "this is life" with lisalin linn back-to-back episodes. thank you all for joining me, "ac 360" starts now. >> tonight two visions separated by, well, reality. john berman here in for anderson. there is breaking news tonight. the president's pardon of mi michael fliynn. first president-elect biden and the president both addressed the public today.

they may have well been on a different planet, joe biden spoke about the sickness of the nation, coronavirus. donald trump focused on his own and his determination to overturn the results. first, biden on coronavirus. >> it has divided us and angered us. i know the country gone weary of the fight. we need to remember we are at war with a virus, not with one another and each other. >> just today more than 2100 new deaths reported again. that's the most since early may. we are not done counting tonight. hospitalizations set a new high, almost 90,000. i think higher than 90,000. the 16th consecutive day in a row of new highs. also, more than 168,000 cases and that's just so far today.

this is the fundamental challenge facing the nation now that the election is over which it is. >> our democracy is tested this year. what we learn is this, the people of this nation are up to the task. in america we have full and fair and free elections. then we honor the results. >> now that's president-elect biden, he'll be judged on how he's handled the pandemic and what he does. he's talking about your pain. donald trump is focused on only his pain. the pain of defeat, quite literally phonying into a group of pennsylvania republicans who were investigating and i use that term loosely. this took place at a hotel in g gettysburg. the president was supposed to be there but a covid scare

involving rudy giuliani prevented his attendance. oddly, not rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani says trump won virginia, too. if by "won," rudy means lost by ten points, yeah. it was a turkey that just won't cook. that claim was an event in a nutshell. wild statement and no evidence, fantasy land. trump did phone into the event and out loud he voiced what was already abundantly clear. he wants you to overturn the election. >> the election is rigged and we can't let it happen to our country. this election has to be turned around. >> turn the election around, ignore the results and throw them out.

forget democracy. happy thanksgiving. it is no joke what a president tries to subvert democracy out loud. some of the pennsylvania republicans at that event, the one that the president wanted it over turned, some of them invited to the white house and still there according to our latest reports. for more of the president's alternate facts and reality and maybe cranberry sauce. david gergen, a former adviser for nixon and our political analyst, rick santorum. kirsten, i want to start with you, the difference of these two events on a day of 2200 new deaths reported, for the 16th day in a row, the president is talking about the election he lost weeks ago. how do you explain it?

>> well, i mean president trump has basically checked out in terms of even trying to be president and is just out spreading conspiracy theories and further dividing the country. the country is already so divided. the last thing we need is to have somebody claiming the election is stolen when it clearly was not. he's trying to save face for the fact that he lost. joe biden is acting like a president, sort of what we remember from the past whether it is republicans or democrats preceding donald trump, trying to unite people when we are facing a pandemic, trying to encourage people and showing empathy, the kind of things that we associate with the president. >> david gergen, each message and very distinct message that we heard today. what did they send to the world? what message?

>> i am afraid there are many people around the world who have been discouraged by the last four years that they're not sure what to believe anymore. even so i think that the biden's message is playing better and having more impact overseas than here. people have been so eager overseas to figure out what the heck is going on in the united states or are you really, really withdrawing from leadership or in permanent decline. biden coming in the way he has with a successful start with presidency and sending a good message to europe. here we are so diedvided. the contrast between the two candidates today clearly is a start. on one hand a trump who's like an animal and defiant and angry and on the other hand here is

biden, calm, comforting and reassuring that we'll get through this and be realistic of what we face and it is difficult. that'll not persuade many trump voters to hold onto biden voters. >> well, we have a trump's voter with us and that's senate ersor senator santorum. the message that joe biden delivered today about the pandemic and where we are on this day and the pain many americans feel tonight, what did you make of it? >> rhetorically, biden has hit the notes very well. i am not excited of the things he's talking about doing. his tone has been very good. i prefer donald trump's tone announcing a third vaccine that's getting good results as a result of the work he and

operations warp speed have done. trump has been talking about the pandemic and delivered very well for the american public of getting a vaccine at record time ready to begin to confront the virus. >> he talked about the vaccine briefly yesterday and he didn't today. today he chose to ignore completely on the eve of thanksgiving. i know faith and family are important to you. i know you have been critical of the president's tone over the last four years, you have. would it be better? would it had been a good day to address the pain people are feeling fee feeling today? >> the president issued a thanksgiving proclamation and did address those issues and the pain and the people who have been dealing with the pandemic all across this country. but, you are right, he didn't go out and do that in pennsylvania.

the president and joe biden are two different places. joe biden is preparing to take control and donald trump is fighting to hold onto what he thinks the election he won so obviously there is different mode. >> we'll talk about the proclamation today because it kales for people to gather on thanksgiving. we'll talk to doctors about that message. kirsten on the subject of danger, i don't think we can get beyond the effort and the overt and the out loud effort that the president is making to over turn the results of the election. he tried it in michigan where he want legislatures to over turn the votes of the people there and appoint pro-trump electors, he's trying something like that now in pennsylvania. it will be harder given where we are. but just that message itself. the message that i want to over

turn it. how dangerous? >> it is extremely dangerous. rick just said that the president believes that he won the election. i do have to question that. you know how he could believe that unless he's completely and utterly delusional. there is no information whatsoever to back it up and no legal case to be made. you know by all appearances he's just telling people something that he has to know is not true in order to save face and preserve his future in politics with no regard whatsoever to the damage that he's doing to the country that how he's causing people who trust him to not trust the democratic process, and it is impossible to over state damage that causes. >> david, it is interesting and

the contrast presented itself today and incredibly striking and i do wonder and troubling and dangerous as it may be and if it does present an opportunity for president-elect biden, he does not have to say things directly. look at this guy but it is sort of obvious and allows him to present himself in a different way, what do you think? >> that's a very good point. i keep on wondering he's much more active this week than i expected. he's been in front of cameras and microphones a lot. whether they're trying to create that contrast in a lasting way because, he sounded on the right note. people who voted for biden is not sure how he'll be in a president role. he has another two weeks he's

going to be in great shape. what we don't know that there is so many on donald trump. i think joe biden may very wise choose -- >> david gergen and rick santorum and kristen powell. rick, i have seen you so many times this week, feels like we are having thanksgiving together. >> yeah. on the flynn's pardon, is this is a start on many pardon that we see now until president trump leaving office. could one of those pardons have the last name, trump. the plea from dr. fauci as americans refused to stay-at-home. hospitalizations just hit a new high. # instantly clear every day congestion

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. more breaking news mentioned at the top of the program, there are new grim coronavirus milestones. the u.s. death toll topped 2,000, so far tonight at least 2,155 deaths reported. that's the most since early may. nearly 90,000 people will spend thanksgiving in a hospital as the u.s. setting a new record for hospitalizations for the 16th day in a row. millions of people ignoring

cdc's guidance and flying to their destination celebrating thanksgiving. dr. fauci has this message to all of us. >> keep the in-door gatherings as small as you possibly can. we know how difficult it is because it is a beautiful traditional holiday. by making that sacrifice you will prevent people from getting infected. we know for sure that people without symptoms innocently with more intention at all goes to a party and gathering and gets in doors and you let your guards down and you have to take your mask off if you are eating or drinking, try to avoid that. it can save lives and illness and make the future much brighter as we get through this. >> that's dr. fauci with a desperate plea. you can hear in his voice for all americans. the white house did not get that message though. president trump released his annual thanksgiving proclamation

and we talked about it a short time ago. this is what the last line says. "i encourage all americans to gather in homes and places of worship to offer a prayer of thanks to god for our many blessings." dr. phillips, that message from the president calling on americans to gather, i am not talking about places of worship or churches, they have their separate set of issues that we have been dealing with for months but calling people to gather at home which is the opposite of what dr. fauci and the cdc had been saying. they're saying don't do it. stay with your family, don't gather but for the president to say that today, what do you make of it? >> it is hard to find the words. it is another example of the

absolute failure of leadership of this president has displayed throughout the pandemic. as an emergency physician who's on the frontline everyday the last two weeks have seen more and more covid. it is a slap in the face. how dare him in the same statement give credit and say thanks to doctors and nurses who have been working tirelessly over the last nine months trying to save lives and at the end makes a statement that flies in the face of the president. stay-at-home and not gather. that's the only way we'll flatten the curve and save lives. people are going to die because they're choosing to go home for thanksgiving and that's insane to me. if we had proper messaging from the top, from the beginning, more lives would have been saved. >> people are confused.

they get conflicting messages and hear opposite things on the same day of people of authority. how difficult does it make it forefront line med kical worker. >> people listen to the advice that's most convenient to them. if you want to go home for the holiday and someone who's an expert says oh, this is how you can make it happen or yes that's okay, you are going to be incline to listen to that. it is unfortunate that we don't have better leadership at the top to help us cut through this. i agree with dr. phillips. many of us have been working on the frontline for months. we are burned out and exhausted. i promised my husband that tomorrow is my first day off since february. a lot of us are really burnt

out, and i don't know how to express how frustrating it is to see people taking action that are dangerous to themselves and families and knowing that i am not sure when dr. phillips caring for patients and i am going to be on call in the hospital for new year and to know this is what we are facing is very sad. >> take the day off. i know you and your husband are great cooks. dr. phillips, the mayor of denver had to apologize and cancel the trip of his own advise on traveling. governor cuomo and newsom facing backlashes for their behaviors and plans not matching their

description. everyone thinks yeah, i have one and i know better in this one case than the science is telling me. >> well, i think this is a great point. this is a test to a couple of things. one, we are all humans and want to be with your family. i know i want to be with my family right now. i have two young nieces, one is five and one. i missed out on so much amazing time with them this year. i know a lot of other families feel that way. and i think there is a bit of denial. i think this idea that well, i am different somehow and this won't happen to me. i think the combination of the two leads to this kind of behavior and it really crosses party lines. this is not a partisan issue, it is a human issue. >> dr. phillips given where we are right now in these new number that numbers that we saw moments ago and in terms of what we are seeing and sunday is the busiest

travel day, how much worse do you think it will get as the weather gets colder. >> i wish i can give you an upbeat answer and provide reassurance that our hospitals are ready and prepare for the surge of patients that we'll see. i can't guarantee it. we look at a three-week period essentially to see the lag between diagnoses of cases and deaths. if you look back three weeks ago from today, there were 90,000 new cases diagnosed. there is 178,000 yesterday. 2,000 people plus died today. double that and add in thanksgiving. that's where we'll be in three weeks. we could be seeing 45,000 people dead per day. every few second an american die. all it takes to prevent it is sacrifice. dr. gounder says i have a

six-mon six-month-old son never met the grandparents. we are doing that trying to prevent spread. if everybody else taking the small amount of that responsibility, we can flatten the curve and start to make a difference of this virus. i hope people pay attention to that come christmas time. >> i hope your kids are talking with the grandparents and they can look back at this time. dr. phillips and dr. gounder, thank you so much for what you are doing. happy thanksgiving to both of you. >> more breaking news on the pardon of michael flynn announced hours before the thanksgiving holiday. we'll discuss the drama that led up to it and who else in the white house may be next for a pardon, is their last name trump? stay smooth and fight heartburn fast

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president trump's pardon on michael flynn. equally surprising of the manner of the announcement. it was put out without warning over twitter. it is my great honor to announce general michael t. flynn has been granted of a full pardon. congratulations to his family and i know that you will have a fantastic thanksgiving. kaitlan collins is joining us at the white house. >> reporter: the president have been telegraphing and he's been

doing it since earlier this year for what he felt badly what happened with general flynn. he was fired in 2017 right off the bat for lying to the vice president, the president says about his contact of the russian ambassador during that transitional period. he later pleaded guilty lying to the fbi twice about the same contacts during that investigation into russian interference in the election but then he disavowed his guilty plea and trying get his case thrown out. that was the shocking moment when the justice department tried to drop their own case into this. it has been in the legal limbo the last few months until the president is ending this saga by granting him the pardon tonight. >> flynn's actions and his phone calls and his lies alter the course of the trump's presidency. >> they really did. he was only the national

security adviser for 24 days but had a lasting effect of what happened in the white house, the real true chaos in trump's world. the president fired him and this was that meeting that the president had with james comey who was the fbi director in the oval office when he told comey he wanted him to let the investigation go with flynn. the president fired james comey and that led to the appointment of robert mueller and that played out for so many years so it did alter donald trump's time in office. it is coming to a close and as you are looking back on it and see massive moments and chaos of the presidency, this is one of them that jump started so many others we have seen. >> the president trying to overturn the results of the election. do you think this pardon is a sign that he knows he's leaving office in 56 days. >> that's how i read it.

it is not just michael flynn and other people getting their sentences commuted and roger stone. what the president is saying publicly and telling his supporters that he's not given up and won this race and he's continuing to fund raise off of it. he's doing something does when they know they're out the door when he's trying to use his pardon power. kaitlan collins, thank you so much for being with us, have a wonderful thanksgiving. we want to read that tweet in 2017 that kaitlan referred to, why trump forced flynn out of office. "i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. he has pled guilty to those lies. there was nothing to hide."

with us norman eisen and jim sciutto, national security correspondent reported on michael flynn for years. ambassador eisen, you know the michael flynn's case well. you tweeted the president's action could reek obstruction. what's your reaction through your lenses of your former government jobs? >> thanks for having me back on the program and my reaction is that trump presidency has been a non-stop assault on the rule of law and this shameful pardon of one of the president's cronies twice admitted in federal court that he had lie. a fitting coda, there will be more to a president who himself engaged in obstruction of

justice, one of the ten episodes that we studied the impeachment in the mueller report and it was focused on obstruction and none other than michael flynn. the saga of criminal behavior and lying continues and i am afraid we'll see more before this presidency is over. >> the president has the power to pardon so how could it be a crime to use the power that he has? >> the president does have broad and really unchallenged authority to issue pardons. he knows that and so he is going to use this authority robustly. when i think about and this is just the beginning of the pardon that we are probably going to see between now and january 20th, when i think the pardon he may give, i tend to put them

into three different categories. there is the category that michael flynn falls into which those who fell under special council mueller's investigation which the president has been unhappy with for his entire presidency and he'll try to unravel as much of that investigation through pardoning many of the individuals who have been investigated or convicted as part of that investigation. the second category is i think he'll look to favor potential pardon that associates and celebrities recommend to him that he'll do on the way out. the third category is friends and family category which is the pardon he may issue to protect friends and family of what may perceive as potential, criminal, federal exposure. >> i will come to that. first, jim, i want to bring you

in on the idea of the russia investigation. your reporting was so key from the beginning here and in a sense i guess the president is trying to rewrite history or reframe history which he's been doing from the beginning. what mess do you think this sends and the national security and community. fbi investigators who depends on honesty. >> let's remember what michael flynn lied about? he lied to kislyak during the transition, the obama administration imposed sanctions understandably and russia violated american politics and michael flynn communicated to them and hang on and there is a new sheriff in town and the president -- undermining

america's response to attack on american democracy. that does damage to u.s. national security. two, by lying to a russian but by speaking to a russian and lying about it, you expose yourself to national security risk because the russians know that you are lying and therefore, that's a potential use of compromising information against you, right? another waeeakening u.s. nation security. these were lies of consequences. this is just something that happens in the midst of you know investigations. he lied about things of consequence and put the country's national security in danger as a result. the president pardoned him. that's something americans have to remember here. it is not just the legal issue or political issue, it is an

issue of national security. >> carrie, a pardon before an investigation may start to become public. how can a president pardon a family member for an investigation that we may not know about yet. >> on one hand there may be investigation that the president may know about and also been public reports about possible investigations of rudy giuliani and his friends and lawyer. he can issue a pardon and issue a statement like he did tonight. i am pardoning these individuals and it can be as broad as he wants. the pardon authority is one of the constitutional authority the president has that's extraordinary broad and cannot be reviewed. we don't know how he's going to use that but i would just urge

americans to kind of settle in and expect that we are going to see more of this between now and the inauguration of president-elect biden. >> people know some of the names that are still out there who are under investigation various stages, bannon and roger stone had his sentence commuted but not pardon. a lot of these names are still possible. >> you still think there is possibility that this pardon counts as obstruction, explain how the president in using it could be illegal? >> pardon power in the constitution is very broad but it is not limited. the president could not take a bribe to issue a pardon. he would be subject to prosecution for that. the same is true with obstruction of justice.

so in this list of pardons that perhaps some of the individuals you listed, john, some of those that others have named, if there is a quid pro quo. lies and crimes and all of the things that characterized the trump administration and the big question at the end, will the president try to do something that's never been done with the pardon power, be a judge in his own case and pardon himself. that would be the biggest offense. >> the jury no pun intended. jim, which people are you watching closely as part of a candidate to be pardoned? . >> we should be prepare for the president to pardon people who can help him, right? folks who may have an outage and

his own potential wrong doing and therefore a pardon, it is a quid pro quo. we watched this president the last four years and we know how he operated. does he give pardons not because of the guilty crimes but he sees a personal interests in them. >> thanks so much for being with us. happy thanksgiving to all of you. >> happy thanksgiving. >> you too. >> the two crucial run off races in georgia just over a month away control of the senate is at stake. what the candidates need to do and how important is voter turnout is when "360" continues.

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tonight as president trump pardons his former general security adviser. with everything else going on no one is for ggetting that two georgia senate race is setting off until january. in both chambers so a whole lot

of writing on this. paul, i want to start with you. the path of victory for either of these democrats on january 5th, vastly different than it was for bill clinton in '92, what will they have to pull off to win and what are their chances? >> it is all about motivating your base. the democrats usually do a bad job in run-offs especially in georgia, motivating two constituents in their base. young people, their two candidates are young. they are so divided. eric can fill us in more. i can spend a lot of time. as i see they are fighting and

believers and -- it is wonderful for me as a democrat to see this republican disarray. >> eric, great to see you, i have not seen you in ages. you have been writing a lot about that. the republican secretary of state says that president trump threw him under the bus in terms of all the complaints of the electi election process in georgia. what do you think the impact will be? >> david perdue has been one of the president's allies in the senate. there is no word of the president helping. there is a contingent of a republican base that's really is a trump's base. they came out for the president. they did not come out for anyone

else. if they think the race is stolen and the president does not reassure them they need to vote, they probably won't. the democrats do have a little bit of a problem as well. the turnout in the atlanta area, we have a lot of republicans voted against donald trump and voted for joe biden. in south georgia, you have blacks went for warnot. will they turn out? it is going to take the president coming to try to convince them. >> how much do you think the race will be about the four candidates whose names are on the ballot or how much it will be about national politics, joe biden or donald trump or mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer. >> you look at the polling, they did ask a question about dividing government,

overwhelmingly, republican voters not necessarily d democratic voters. it is a message that plays well with republicans across the state right now and georgia is still predominantly republicans. republicans got 51% and 53% in the state house and 54% of all votes combined. they got a slight edge if they stop fighting each other. >> one of the interesting things of georgia's run-offs is that the presidents don't like to go campaign there. it is a week or two before your inauguration. you don't want to risk losing before you start the new job. it looks bad. president-elect biden goes and campaigns in these two races and neither of them win, it does not look good. what are the chances >> they have different jobs, right? president-elect joe biden is putting together his cabinet.

he's putting together his covid plan. he's putting together his economic plan. president trump is golfing, griping and pardoning criminals. so neither of them have very much free time. but i think president trump -- eric is right. he can motivate that base. but imagine the scene at the airport. does the governor greet him who trump has attacked? does the secretary of the state and other high ranking republicans greet them? it is a terrible mess for those folks. barack obama had a huge impact going into that state for joe biden. >> but he didn't go off in a runoff in 2009. he did go and campaign. that's the analogy i'm drawing here. >> right. it is very difficult to transfer that authority. we all want to make it about trump or about joe. eric is seeing this. you had some people splitting tickets. i think mostly what voters will want is a party that's more unified and mainstream. the republicans already decided

they will be more divided. that's going to be their challenge. i think they can. >> i got to let you go. in 30 seconds, do you want to make a prediction here? >> i think the republicans do win both seats. they have really good ground games in georgia. the rms are only just starting. >> but i know from reading what you have been writing, you know it is going to be painful over the next few weeks. >> i'm tired of it already. >> all right. happy thanksgiving to all of you. >> happy to see you all. earlier this week, president trump touted the stock market surge but forgot to mention millions of americans relying on food pantries. causing many to wait in long lines lasting several hours. the disparity between wall street and main street when we can. flexball designedg . . o. n. t. i. n. u. e.

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on this thanksgiving eve, here is another sign this holiday is a whole lot different than last year's. sadly, the economic fallout from the pandemic is forcing millions of americans to get help from food banks for the first time. president trump was busy touting the historic high for the dow this week, plenty of americans were trying to figure out how to get food on their table today and every day. you may have seen the long lines for food in your own town. the need for help is growing across the country. here's vanessa. >> reporter: the journey to get food through the cold and covid-19 has been long and hard for regina. >> got to take it one day at a time. you save for tomorrow. when tomorrow get here, something is going to happen. >> reporter: and it did. just in time. >> thank you!

>> reporter: no problem. >> days before thanksgiving, the local food pantry in the bronx, new york, made a special thanksgiving delivery, filled with everything she needs for her and her two teenage daughters. >> it is just a relief that i don't have to purchase all of that. >> reporter: over 50 million americans like regina won't have enough to eat in 2020, in part because of the pandemic. feeding america, the largest hunger relief group in the u.s. projects that eight billion meals will be needed in the next year to feed food insecure americans. >> about 40% of the people who right now are turning to food banks around the country are who people never before relied upon the charitable food system. >> reporter: regina is out of a job. her car was totalled months ago and she's not receiving unemployment. she now relies on a once a week delivery from the food pantry.

>> just surviving. that's all i can say. you just have to survive it. >> reporter: the 15th congressional district here in the bronx has the highest food insecurity rate among children in the country. at agatha house, they're hoping to take the stigma out of needing extra help. >> we're trying to imagine ourselves in the position, what we would want for ourselves, not just to give them a cardboard box, but to make them feel loved, special. >> reporter: this small operation says it's seen a 100% increase in need. >> even with the little they get. hopefully they're building or one of their neighbors that they can invite for a plate of foot. >> yes. got to give some stuff. >> reporter: despite her struggles to put food on the table. >> you're welcome? regina is sharing what she has with her neighbor and remains grateful for this thanksgiving. >> even if we didn't get the

agatha or we was just having regular chicken every day, just to say that you was alive to eat it, that's a blessing in itself. >> so much need. these organizations have been able to meet the need. how concerned are they about having enough supplies for the next few months? >> john, the food banks that we have spoken to that are large and small say that up until now they have been able to meet that need. they have received funding from the government, from the state, but largely in part from every day americans who have donated over this time. but there is a concern that as the holidays passed, americans will forget about this need and john also volunteers are so critical to getting these large food distributions off the ground and into the hands of every day americans as covid cases continue to rise in the u.s., there is a concern that volunteers won't turnout in the ways they have been when they

are so critically needed right now, john. >> there is so much need. everyone step up, if you can. thanks so much for that report tonight. appreciate it. happy thanksgiving. don't miss full circle, anderson's digital new show. you can scratch it streaming on cnn.com/fullcircle or on the cnn app at any time on demand. the news continues so hand it over to chris for prime time. >> happy thanksgiving, you turkey. i gave you that tie and it still looks better on you. >> you did. >> all the best to you and the family. happy thanks, githanksgiving, b. let's talk turkey. very few, if any, have it easy right now. too many are sick, starving. the reality should make this thanksgiving more profound for those that have avoided that kind of covert born crisis. our tables and turkeys may be smaller. but be thankful if you are