one of the black lives matter protesters, patrick hutchinson saw he was in peril and moved in, picked up the injured man, carried him to safety. >> the biggest thing for me was making sure no harm came to him because i knew if harm had come to him, the narrative would just be changed and then the blame would be falling on the young black lives matter protesters. we made sure we got him out of there safely. >> he hopes everyone that sees the image understands the responsibility to do the right thing resides in all of us. >> just want equality for all races and people. right now, we're the ones that seem to be the oppressed ones. it is about time things were changed the world over. >> what a moment. go to cnnheroes.com now to vote for this moment or any of the most inspiring moments. hi, i am boris sanchez.

i want to welcome viewers in the united states and all around the world. i wish we had better news to start off with, but the fact is that more americans than ever before are in the hospital right now sick with coronavirus. more than 90,000, record high in the united states, that's for the 17th day in a row. the nation is averaging 164,000 cases and 1500 deaths a day. now hospitals and front line workers already exhausted and overwhelmed are bracing for the storm that's coming after millions ignored cdc guidance to stay home and not travel this holiday. tsa just releasing their thanksgiving day travel numbers. 560,000 people passing through airports thursday. 65% reduction in travel from last year, still more than 6 million americans that have already flown through the week, according to earlier tally from

the tsa. sunday expected to be the busiest travel day of the year. now, california has a serious problem, alarming escalation of positive cases. cnn correspondent stephanie elam is in los angeles for us. stephanie? >> reporter: boris, more than 14,600 people tested positive for coronavirus. this is according to the state of california data coming out on thanksgiving. we know more than 100 people lost their lives as well. when you look at the positivity rate, you see for the 14 day period it is now above 6%. we are seeing the number trend higher almost daily since november 1st, and this is of concern as we approach summer surge numbers when the state was working to keep the number below 8%. as for hospitalizations, nearly 7200 people are in the hospital battling coronavirus. boris? >> stephanie, thank you for that. we have a disturbing development to share related to

coronavirus. north korea hackers carried out a cyber attack against astra-zeneca. this news breaking from reuters. cnn's david culver is in china for us. david, how exactly did this happen, what's being done about it? >> reporter: boris, the claim is that this happened through fake job advertisement sites through linkedin, a networking site that you and i know well, and what's app. this is according to reuters. they are saying it involved north korean hackers using russian links and emails, some email addresses that they would send via sites, linkedin and what's app to employees at astra-zeneca. the british drug maker. the obvious connection here is that those staff members, many were working on the covid-19 vaccine. so when they would click on the link or if they followed it, the

idea is it would give access to the internal systems of astra-zeneca, and potentially give information that is sensitive dealing with covid-19 vaccine to north koreans. it seems they were not successful, north korea, that is, in their attempts according to reuters, but goes to show the level of desperation happening within north korea. we know that according to one south korean lawmaker, they've even executed an official for their lack of ability in containing the covid-19 outbreak within north korea. seems perhaps that's more of a scapegoat than anything else. it also shows they're trying desperately to get their hands on a vaccine to get control over it. astra-zeneca declined to comment to cnn when we reached out. a north korean diplomatic official in geneva called it a fabricated report, fake news. boris, even laughed it off. >> not surprising, david, considering that on other occasions, for example, sony pictures hack, the north koreans

to this day continue to deny it took place, despite forensic evidence to the contrary. david culver reporting from china. thanks so much. news of hacking comes at a critical time for astra-zeneca. the uk government announced the vaccine they produced is going to take a significant first step in it's pros approval process. why astra-zeneca is pushing back against criticism about lack of transparency in its data. >> boris, there are questions about data from astra-zeneca which is testing a covid-19 vaccine. let's look at what some of the questions are. first of all, there's questions about a dosing error. some participants didn't receive the right dose. in a press release, there's missing data. they say it is on average 70% effective against covid-19, but don't explain how they got to the number. moderna and pfizer, two other companies in press releases did

explain. there are no details about two participants that became ill. we know two participants in the trial that received the vaccine developed neurological problems and there's no details about what exactly happened there. boris? >> a lot of questions still to be answered, elizabeth cohen, thanks for that. joining us to dig deeper, dr. lee and a wang, emergency room physician, former baltimore health commissioner. thanks for spending time with us. many americans are spending the weekend traveling, they've gone to see family members or going potentially shopping. what do you think that means for the next three weeks? >> i am extremely concerned about this because we have an impending calamity on our hands. we're already in a major surge of coronavirus and now we're going to get a massive surge on top of a massive surge because we're starting with a very high baseline level of infection.

hospitals are already overwhelmed, people are getting ready for loved ones, feeding the infection around the country and going to their home kmienlts a communities. i wonder what the next few weeks have in store. we haven't seen the peak of the pandemic yet. >> what can americans do now? travel plans have already happened, return flights have been booked. are there any safety measures they can still take this weekend to try to protect themselves and slow the spread? >> absolutely. so i know people are eager to see loved ones. there are safer ways of doing that. i would highly encourage people who have already traveled, are already in different places, try to be outdoors as much as possible. do not gather indoors, especially not for meals. around meals, you're taking off the mask. have meals outside as much as you can. if indoors, open the windows and doors, make sure to wear masks anytime you're around people not

in your immediate household. when you return to your home communities, quarantine. quarantine at least seven days, then get tested. if you cannot get tested, quarantine for 14 days. the reason is we don't want to see coronavirus wherever we are going home to, given the levels through the country. >> you have been asked this dozens of times i'm sure. at each point during the pandemic it is important to keep asking this question. do you think we have enough tests to get us through the next month? >> not at all. the demand for testing is increasing exponentially because when you have more cases, you need more testing for those individuals who are symptomatic as well as for all the people they have exposed, too, and we haven't come close to doing surveillance testing to pick up for those that don't know they have an exposure, given the high level of covid in the community, where are those places.

ideally you want to prevent outbreak from occurring in the first place. i hope the incoming biden team takes this on as one of the top priorities, to massively ramp up testing, not just to have any test but smart testing. there are different types of tests should be applied in different situations. >> the least you can hope for is they don't joke about doing less testing so there are fewer cases. anyway, doctor, thank you for the time. we appreciate you joining us. president trump finally signals he is willing to leave the white house. so he's back on the golf course today as president-elect biden prepares for a big week ahead. plus, new questions about president trump and whether he will attend the biden inauguration. and finally, the president's plan to campaign for republicans in georgia's all important senate runoff races. will it help the candidates or could it potentially hurt? this is cnn special live coverage.

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next week is going to be a big one for vice president elect joe biden. they expect to get a daily briefing monday. biden is set to announce several members of the economic team next week, a team that transition officials say will, quote, look like america. plus, congress said to return with plenty on the agenda. arlette saenz is live in delaware where the bidens are spending the holiday weekend. arlette, what can you tell us about joe biden's plans for the coming week? >> reporter: well, boris, even though it is a holiday weekend, president-elect joe biden and his transition team are hard at work preparing for the upcoming week. biden is expected early next week to announce his economic team. while we are waiting to hear which positions this will entail, one name that biden has already chosen is janet yellen

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and tammy duckworth. that's another announcement that we are expecting to come in early december, maybe even as soon as next week as biden continues to build out the cabinet as his administration is quickly approaching. >> we know you'll be watching it for us. arlette saenz from delaware, thanks so much. president trump meantime is spending the day golfing. the president could be seen on his golf course in virginia. yesterday he took questions from reporters for the first time since election day. the president said he is going to leave the white house if the electoral college formalizes joe biden's victory, but continued making baseless claims about widespread voter fraud and refused to say if he would attend mr. biden's inauguration. joining us to discuss, kaitlan collins live at the white house, also joined by political analyst sarah isger, staff writer for "the dispatch." kaitlan, you were there in the room, you asked the president

that question about the inauguration. what was his response? >> he kind of had the response you've seen the president have before where he says he knows the answer but doesn't want to offer it yet. i don't think it is clear what the president is going to do yet, even to the president, about whether or not he would attend the inauguration. of course if he didn't, it would be breaking with major precedent that other presidents have set. so that is something they typically have always done. however, what we are witnessing now is something you have never seen a president do once he lost the election, that is the president protesting it, saying that he believes if joe biden's win is certified as it will be in a matter of weeks, he believes the electoral college made a big mistake. yesterday is the first time the president had taken our questions in three weeks. a notable stretch of silence for donald trump who often likes to engage with reporters so you could get the sense that the president is not set on conceding anytime soon or recognizing that joe biden has won the election.

he made that quite clear. you're right. he said he would leave the white house if the win is certified. that's something we heard from advisers, they said it is not a situation he is physically removed from the white house as some believed was going to be the case, but last night was the first time the president had confirmed that is what would happen. >> though he said if the electoral college certified the win for biden, somehow it would be a mistake. sarah, to you. if the president doesn't attend joe biden's inauguration, that sends a clear message. i am curious if you think it would encourage other republicans in washington to potentially skip the event. >> i think you see republican senators in particular struggling with what to do about donald trump's rhetoric at large. you have the rudy giuliani sidney powell press conferences that go off the rails, making wild accusations. again and again, you have republican senators saying well, we need to give them the chance to present their evidence. it has been weeks now.

there's been no evidence of this sort of widespread voter fraud that kocould have changed the results of the election. now the republican senators are looking for a way, an out to say well, this has now happened, therefore i can say move on. you're seeing more and more senators do that. last time a president did not attend the inauguration of his successor was 1869, andrew johnson didn't attend the inauguration of ulysses s grant. i am not sure that's a legacy anyone should be envious of. i think the past month has undermined president trump's legacy, even with his base. you know, this is someone they saw fighting for them, not sounding like a regular politician, but the sort of wildness and unhingedness that we have seen in the last few weeks has called into question some of his judgment with supporters. so to follow in the path of andrew johnson, maybe not where

he should be looking to go. >> great history lesson there. speaking of unhingedness, kaitlan, the president lashed out at one of our colleagues yesterday. tell us what happened. >> reporter: this was jeff mason of reuters asked the president if he would concede once it is certified, once joe biden's win is certified, trying to get a sense of the president, when will it be if he gives this up. as sarah was noting, even some of the president's allies are tiring on his tactics. it is a question the president would not answer. he wouldn't say if it comes down to this, i will finally recognize joe biden's victory. i think if you talk to sources around the president, they think that could be something that never happens, never materializes, and that instead the president continues to sound like last night, insisting it is a fraudulent election, even though he has presented no evidence of widespread fraud. his own attorneys aren't arguing this in court. and you can see the disconnect

between what the president thinks is happening in the legal situation and what's actually happened. last night he was talking, for example, about a situation he said there were no republican poll watchers in the room as ballots were being counted. his own attorneys admitted in court that wasn't true. they were in the room, they didn't think they were close enough which is a very different argument. we pushed back on the president and said his own attorneys admitted they were in the room, he said no, they didn't. they did. so it is a situation of dealing with reality here that is just not being recognized. >> yeah. trump legal team said there was a nonzero number of people. and i want to ask sarah about the idea there's detachment from reality here because in the phases of grieving, denial is the first one and it appears president trump is moving away from denial, moving toward anger. >> i don't know that he was ever in denial. he has this public persona he is trying to keep up but as kaitlan

said in court over and over again, his attorneys when pressed, do you have any evidence of fraud, no. are you making an argument about fraud, no. did you have poll watchers in the room, had nonzero number of poll watchers in the room. i headed up election day operations for mitt romney in 2012, i'm an attorney as well in several recounts, i have never seen anything like this in terms of court behavior on behalf of court attorneys. there's no way donald trump is unaware what the attorneys are having to argue in court. you're trying to see him establish a narrative for when he does leave office, and again, the question is is that really a narrative that's going to help him? i mention andrew johnson not attending the inauguration of grant. andrew johnson was another one term president that was impeached, the only other one. so this is a person looking for how to leave office gracefully and doing the exact opposite of what that might look like.

>> just a point of fact, that's 30 cases his legal team either lost or have withdrawn. none alleging widespread fraud the president claims took place. we have to leave it there. >> now it is 31. >> i appreciate the correction. thank you both so much. we are following breaking news out of iran right now. reports that a top iranian nuclear scientist has been assassinated outside tehran. we have the latest from the pentagon. people who don't wear masks are under fire today. chastised by pope francis himself. hear his message next. when i was in high school, this was the theater i came to quite often. the support we've had over the last few months has been amazing. it's not just a work environment. everyone here is family.

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a key figure in iran's nuclear program has been assassinated. iran's defense ministry confirming to state media a top iranian nuclear scientist was killed today outside tehran. let's go to barbara starr at the pentagon now. barbara, you have new reporting that the trump administration is monitoring these events closely. what can you tell us? >> well, boris, make no mistake, officially there's no word from the trump administration or the

israeli government and the rauns already accusing the israeli, but the trump administration is monitoring all of this carefully. we know from sources we have spoken to. what typically happens in these cases is they'll start looking at intelligence threads, communications, imagery to see if there are clues about exactly what happened and any clues perhaps more importantly about what may come next. big question, of course, will the iranians begin to plan for some type of retaliation. for the u.s., we know that president trump in the tick down of his days in office has raised the question of whether or not the u.s. could strike iran's nuclear program, strike at iran at all. he has been told by several officials what there would have to be is clear, imminent provocation by iran against the united states for that kind of strike to be justified, and so far they haven't seen it.

striking against iran by the u.s., very tough business. one of the key targets might be that nuclear facility deep inside iran. that's a facility military planners say would require repeated air strikes, getting past iranian air defense, possibly setting off a wider conflict, and one of the big concerns, that iranian retaliation. the u.s. calculates iran has some 3,000 ballistic missiles it could launch in retaliation at u.s. sites and interests across the middle east. boris? >> certainly no small task. barbara starr, thank you so much for that. >> sure. listen to this quote. there are moments in life that can be ripe for change. that's a message from pope francis in a new "new york times" op-ed arguing that the coronavirus pandemic is an opportunity to change the in i can witties exposed by the

crisis. the pope making clearest on the side of science, supports health guidelines to stop the spread. he had this to say about those who do not. quote. some groups protested, refusing to keep their distance, marching against travel restrictions as if measures that governments must impose for the good of their people constitutes some kind of political assault on autonomy or personal freedom. joining me now, cnn religion commentator, father edward beck. thanks for spending time with us. pope francis not mincing words here. were you surprised to see him give a forceful rebuke of those protesting covid restrictions? >> i was surprised by two things in the op-ed. the first thing how personal it was. he talks about being very sick in his early 20s, that he had a lung infection caused by a type of flu and that he was in the hospital and that the health care workers, especially two nurses, one gave him more antibiotic than the doctor told

her to because she knew he needed it, and the other gave him more pain meds than she was supposed to. he believes both saved his life. he goes on to talk about health care workers in the midst of the pandemic, how important they have been and the care that they have for people, that they saved lives. then what you're alluding to, he goes on to say look, government has imposed certain restrictions for the common good. that's more than just individual goods added up, it is for everyone. he is really very hard on people who say personal freedom, i don't have to wear a mask or socially distance. he said no, it is about the common good, not your good. >> this brings us to that supreme court decision 5-4 to strike down a new york state order limiting the size of religious gatherings in areas where cases were climbing. the bishop in brooklyn that brought the case is declaring victory as the governor, andrew

cuomo, claims the whole thing is moot, that restrictions were no longer in place when the decision was delivered. i wonder what you think the church's obligation is, to public health or congregants that want to gather? >> well, both. i think the supreme court decision honors that. basically the supreme court decision said you can't discriminate against religious institutions, you're letting restaurants have 50% capacity, you have pet stores being deemed an essential service, and you say religious institutions are not? you can't have a big cathedral, say you can only have 10 or 20 people in the cathedral, you can socially distance, keep all of the precautions. it should be 40% capacity, 50% capacity, whatever you are doing for the other institutions. so the supreme court simply said you can't discriminate because it is religious institution. i sat in mass this morning, boris. i can tell you that was a safe

gathering. everyone wears masks. everyone is social distanced, people come up for communion with masks. it is more sanitary than a restaurant or pet store. i think the supreme court got this right and i think they overreached, the governor did, by saying because there were a few examples, mainly in the orthod orthodox jewish community, there were red zones, orange zones, said we're shutting this down and everyone was penalized. i think the bishop of brooklyn said no, others agreed with him, and now they've got to be treated like everybody else. >> father edward beck. let you get back to leftovers. thanks so much for the time. >> thanks. happy thanksgiving, boris. >> same to you. president trump says he will be back out campaigning soon to support republican candidates in crucial senate runoffs.

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the election is not quite over in georgia. two critical senate runoff races will determine the balance of power in washington and it has tremendous implications for the first two years of president-elect joe biden's administration. president trump says he will campaign for republican incumbents kelly loeffler and david perdue. both of fighting to maintain their party's majority in the senate. the president's announcement followed a thanksgiving video call with u.s. service members

in which he railed baselessly against the integrity of georgia election result. ryan nobles joins us from atlanta. ryan, i mention there has to be some concern among republicans that trump's claims of fraud may actually dissuade voters from going to the polls. >> reporter: well, it is a mixed bag for republicans in georgia, boris. president trump remaining in the news, firing up his base is a good thing for republican voters here. they want trump supporters in particular to stay engaged and have a piece of the runoff happening in january. but you're right. the republicans i talked to say this comes up to a limit, and there's some concern if the president continues to cast dispersions on the voting process here and suggests that fraud is rampant and that they shouldn't be able to trust the voting system here, some trump supporters might decide not to participate at all. they're heartened by the fact the president seems to be focusing on the runoff, he hadn't talked about it at all after his election loss in

november, but now he is coming here next saturday, he's also tweeted more about it, talked more about the importance of republicans to get out to the polls in january. but boris, it is clear if trump supporters don't come out and support david perdue and kelly loeffler, the incumbents, it will be difficult for republicans to win, boris. >> i find it incredibly bizarre one ally to the president is out there saying the election is rigged and voters in georgia should write in trump's name on the ballot in protest. it is strange. i want to ask you about the report in "new york times." the justice department opening a probe into senator david perdue's stock sales for possible insider trading earlier this year. they declined to pursue charges though. what more are you learning? >> reporter: yes, so this stock situation is something that's dogged david perdue and kelly loeffler, both were part of a group of senators accused of making well played stock trades

around the time they learned about seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic. there's one stock trade from a company perdue formerly sat on the board of directors by. there was communication between perdue and leaders of the company around the time he made stock transactions. that led to justice department looking into it. they looked at the information, decided there wasn't enough there to move forward. perdue campaign is arguing that means he is cleared of wrongdoing and stock trades were all in line with what is legal and proper. of course, democrats including his opponent, john ossoff, sees it differently. they believe perdue is taking advantage of information he gleaned as united states senator to make more and more money. he is already a millionaire. ossoff has gone as far as to call perdue a crook. it is a big issue in the campaign, one we expect to hear a lot more of between now and january 5th. >> i hadn't gotten a chance to say happy thanksgiving to you and your family. hope you're well and healthy,

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this pandemic further exposed some of the cracks in our society. the united states is the richest country in the world, yet many americans are struggling to make ends meet and they and their children are going hungry. their plight has not been lost

on sandra ramirez, an elementary school teacher that spearheaded the effort to deliver thousands of boxes of food to her students and their families. sandra joins me now. thanks so much for joining us. what you're doing is incredible and it all began when you started checking in on your students at the beginning of the pandemic. what did you pick up on in the conversations that inspired you to do this? >> well, they were -- first of all, thank you for having me, boris. i originally started, some teachers were reaching out to me, they were saying well, students they're not attending class, i reached out to parents, the stories i was hearing were tragic. there were deaths in the family, people losing their jobs, they weren't able to pay for internet and i think that's kind of what started that it hit me where i knew people needed help.

>> yeah. when teachers reached out to my parents when i was growing up, it was never for something like this. how do your students react when you show up at their door? >> so well, they seem shocked because when i did the well-being checks, they were shocked but happy. they hadn't seen the teachers, when it started in march, hadn't seen us a few weeks. and they were, you know, i would tell the families, i am going to check up on you. kids would look out the window, wave, i could seat excitement in their eyes, it was wonderful. then we started asking, the distribution started being at the school so parents would come to the school. >> you work with a group of volunteers called the moo crew. i am curious about the name, first of all, and your mission in the city of chicago. >> so the moo crew started

because we were asked, world vision reached out to me and they said would you be interested in picking up some food. i asked for help, for volunteers. we always have so many volunteers. these particular volunteers, they came and volunteered to go with me to pick up gallons of milk. first time had to be close to 400 gallons of milk. somebody just decided one day, you guys are the moo crew, you have the gallons of milk. that's where the name came from and stuck. people would cheer us, say the moo crew is at your school, go pick it up. that's where the name came from. >> that's wonderful. sandra, as i said before, the pandemic has exposed some in i

can witties, but it has showcased the excellent work of so many heroes. i commend you and thank you for what you're doing. sandra ramirez, thanks so much. >> thanks. president trump is back on the golf course today after touting his action on vaccines, lashing out at reporters. meanwhile, the u.s. approaches 13 million coronavirus cases. cnn special coverage continues.

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gates, the english and theology teacher. do you talk much about what the boys are about to embark on before they go in? >> it is tricky. don't want to give away too much, want it to be a surprise, a healthy shock. geography matters, getting kids out in the community matters. i am always telling students don't let school get in the way of your education, lot of good stuff to see out there. >> joining us, host of "this is life." lisa ling. big fan of the show. glad you're spending time with us. i notice you're kicking off this season with back to back episodes. first one focuses on prep school students and prisoners, the second on intense retreat for boys that are in crisis. it strikes me you're starting the season focused on young men. why? >> well, boris, first of all, thanks for having me on. i am a fan of yours as well. >> you're too kind. >> we weren't intending on airing the two episodes back to

back, but in many ways they do go together. we are living in a culture where we tell man constantly man up, don't cry, don't show emotion. in some ways both these episodes tackle that idea and really convey the importance of giving boys and young men permission to feel. you know, the prison episode, i think the ultimate consequence for young men of not being able to deal with trauma that they experienced as a child is a life of possible crime because those feelings can be manifested in negative ways. so this program i think really does a lot to encourage young men to do the opposite. >> tell us more about this specific episode. you are bringing together prep school students and prisoners at a state correctional facility.

how does that even work? what are some of the goals they have? >> well, it is an eight week elective course at an elite all boys catholic school. they go in and read literature with incarcerated men. you would think the inmates would be the biggest beneficiaries. what was amazing to me was watching the incarcerated men talk so candidly about their crimes and remorse and identifying trauma that they experienced as young men, and because of that candor, that allowed the prep school boys to dig deep within themselves and they ended up sharing things i don't think they shared with maybe their family members or close friends. >> and just that ability to express those pent up feelings is healing in a lot of ways. what did they share with you? >> so many things, boris. i mean, i overheard some of the boys talk about how they had friends who talked in front of the group and they said i've known this kid since i was a

little boy, and i never knew this about him. again, the prep school kids were given this permission. the reason i felt like i had to tell this story was some of the inmates after going through the program, after reading a novel, they decided to start a scholarship for a young man to attend the pama school. a young man graduated from the prestigious private school, his education was entirely paid for by some inmates at ctf prison in california. a remarkable story. >> that is incredible. look forward to watching it. lisa ling, thank you so much. >> thanks, boris. >> do not forget to watch the season premier of "this is life." back to back episodes starting sunday at 9:00 eastern, only on cnn. special coverage continues right now with brooke baldwin. thank you for joining me today.

boris, thanks so much. hi there, thanks for being with me this friday. i am brooke baldwin, you're watching cnn. we begin with the 17th day the u.s. has broken a record for covid hospitalizations. more than 90,000 americans. despite the worsening pandemic, people potentially flocking to stores and malls on what is typically the biggest shopping day of the year. in the presidential transition, president-elect joe biden is staying home with family today while president trump is golfing, and then traveling to camp david this afternoon where his adult children spent thanksgiving. yesterday evening, he took questions for the first time since he lost the election, and just a quick reminder of that night, here's how it all started. >> frankly, we did win this election. >> 24 days later, here's how it is going. >>