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now they're in a better place than the rest of the world. these documents show they had miscounting and misinforming and diagnoses and all the problems everybody else are facing. the issue china is facing here is pretty clear they did not share the whole extent of their mistakes and not giving other countries the benefits of things they learned. a lot in here would have helped so many countries had they known in realtime as it happens. >> the question is why? why they did not? thank you very much, nick. "ac 360" starts now. >> it was the first time i allowed myself to cry. john berman here for anderson. that's the chief of moderna. moderna is seeking authorization for it joining pfizer.
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this is remarkably hopeful news and it was followed by a dose of breaking news, the departure of only doctor that the president seemed to embrace on his task force, dr. scott atlas, the one that doubted masks and had no qualifications for the job is stepping down. more on how the task force is taking the news. coming to be what is the darkest days, a record number of americans in the hospital, nearly 95,000. in wisconsin, nearly one and four of them in icus. in rhode island, there are no beds left. hospitals are at capacity. they have been setting up field hospitals there. the country is averaging close to 160,000 cases a day. we have not even begun to feel the effect of holiday travels and get togethers. >> we don't want to frighten people but that's the reality. we said that these things would
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happen as we got into the cold weather and as we began traveling and it happened. it is going to happen again. >> our medical and public health experts will join us a little bit to talk about the moment dr. fauci describes. the president have not done or said anything that may help us. he's too busy in overturning the election he lost. he clearly never gets tired of all the losing. he keeps on losing the 2020 election again and again and again. wisconsin made joe biden's victory official earlier today and arizona did the same. >> we do election well here in arizona. the system is strong. >> that's doug ducey, the state's republican governor. the same time the president's legal team led by the die hard
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rudy giuliani, they were meeting with a dprgroup of gop lawmaker pushing all the same unfounded allegations, trump's appointees are not buying. the president is lapping it up, tweeting. trump legal team in arizona and on @oann now, big stuff, enjoy! . really? enjoy? as if watching him and his enablers so in doubt of a democracy in a pandemic. you will never hear this president saying i get no kick for complaining. he lives on this stuff even if it is in the state of georgia. two republican senators defending seats that'll dd which party will control the senate. he's undermine voting there
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where his party needs all the voting they can get. >> they have electoral officials making deals like this character in georgia who's a disaster and the governor done nothing. i am ashamed that i endorsed him. >> the president over the weekend lashing out at georgia republican secretary state who received death threats for doing his job. this is a trump supporter, a trump voter, he says and so is his boss, brian kemp. take a minute to consider how little regard the president has. it boils down to i did something for him, now he owes me, a quid pro quo you may say. >> why would the governor use his emergency powers which can be easily done to over rule his obstinate secretary of state and do a match of signatures on
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envelopes. it would be a gold mine of fraud and we'll easily win the case. >> there is no evidence of widespread fraud. none. the president hired him and fired him for saying things like this. >> georgia has machines that tabulate the vote. they then held a hand recount and the outcome was consistent with the machine vote. >> that tells you what? >> that tells you there is no manipulation of the vote on the machine count side. and so that pretty thoroughly in my opinion debunks some of these claims out there that i have called nonsense and hoax that there are some hacking of these election vendors in their software and systems across the
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country. it is just nonsense. >> that's what a career public servant sounds like. here is what one of the lawyers trying to overturn the election for the president sounds like. this was told about chris krebk. that's a member of the bar making death threats against a former public servant. death threats. more on that shortly. as for what he's peddling in terms of evidence, we have yet to seen one evidence from the president or his legal team that convinced a single court that this was anything but a joe biden's victory. take that away and what do we have? >> i was winning when they started counting and i was losing when they finished.
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that's impossible. if that sounds too outlandish that this is how elections work? listen to how the opinion explains it. >> and what happened, if you watched the election, i was called boo i the biggest people, saying congratulations, political people. congratulations, sir, you just won the election. it was 10:00. this election was over and they did these massive dumps of votes and all of a sudden i went from winning by a lot to losing by a little. >> which is how it worked out. no fraud or conspiracy, just counting votes. the 6 million votes he's currently losing by is not little. more now from jim acosta who joins us from the white house with some breaking news. >> reporter: the president's fraud claim, they're the biggest fraud of them all.
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i talked to trump's adviser about this in wisconsin and arizona, according to these advisers of the president, the president is fully aware. he understands that he lost this election. does the president understand that he has been defeated? this adviser says "yes, he does." strip away what the president is saying and tweeting. he understands that he lost this election. as of what's going on inside the president's head, this adviser says he still believes there is some way that he can win but when he's talking to his advisers privately, he's conceding to them or not to the public that he's lost. >> i am not sure it is a comfort that he knows he lost under though he's trying to undermine democracy and overturn. >> in the meantime, dr. atlas
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has resigned, what are you learning about that in. >> he has resigned. he handed in his letter to the president. sources confirming to myself and kaitlan collins at the white house that dr. scott atlas resigned. i talked to a task force earlier, this is welcome news that dr. scott atlas and his controversial view will no longer have a seat at the table and this coronavirus task force is still up and running here at the white house despite the hit he's taken the last several months. no question about it. somebody who believed in herd immunity and spousing those views anywhere he could is no longer on this task force. you know that's something that is being welcomed on the task force. >> jim acosta. thank you so much for the reporting. joining us now is josh
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dawsy. inside the white house as the president is struggling with losing the election. sequestered in the white house and brooding out of public view after his election defeat, rage full at times delirious in a torrent of privacy and muttering, i won, i won." >> the president is suggesting the doj and the fbi are in on some scam to rig the election. you have done this deep dive and talked to so many people inside the white house, what have you learned s learned? >> the president is frustrated of brian kemp. he believes he made his career by endorsing him and kemp
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betrayed him. he wants him to take a force full action. he called kemp and upgraded him about not helping him more in georgia. he's unhappy with doucey in arizona. the president thought he's going to win these states. as a result came in on election night, he was watching the results and he believed he's going to win and more and more battle came in. his team has not been able to survive, compelling evidence of fraud and any of these cases, they lost case after case and state after state. they're making a lot of arguments on fox news and other channels but when they are actually in front of a judge and being asked to provide evidence, they have not been able to do it. one of the hithings we have reported that rudy giuliani, if you have evidence of these things, let us know. we'll help you make these arguments and they have not been
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able to provide it. >> it is amazing when they're giving different stories under oath. >> they indulged and encouraged him to keep fighting. is there anyone around him being realistic? jim acosta is reporting that the president seen the writing on the wall. >> most people around the president they realized he's not going to win this election. they're working on a speech for him before he leaves. he's never going to concede. the president has a powerful legacy, he got more votes than any republicans and more minority votes than any republicans. more of a victory to of sorts even though he lost. those conversations have not gone anywhere. he still wants to fight.
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it is a two-prong reason. the second is they're raising a lot of money for legal fund. he's freezing up in 2024 and he's getting media attention and coverage and you know he's still in the spotspotlight. for the president right now, he does not seem as much advantage to quit this yet. >> he's using that money at mar-a-lago and fly around the country. abby, it is amazing that we can take for granted of something josh said there. we'll talk about at length over the coming weeks and months how this undermines democracy. the short term impact, what does it mean for georgia? the president keeps attacking republican officials in georgia. is it possible that attack may depress republican votes in that state where he needs the turnout
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for those run o-offs? >> republican officials already raising the alarm for this. they think the whole thing is so rigged. one of the interesting talking points is georgia secretary of state making the point several weeks ago that president trump's attack on mail-in voting between the primary and general election in georgia effectively resulted in fewer republicans. voting for the president in the general election. he made the point that the president should not have discouraged his own people from utilizing mail-in voting. they were willing to do it in the last election. they would have voted for him. al similar story could be playing out for the january run-offs where there is all of this talk about a rigged election. those same machines will be used
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in the next election as well and now the president is claiming it is all rigged. this got to be a real nightmare scenario for republicans trying to get out to vote in an election that is all about turnout and not about persuasion at all. >> abby, can i ask you a question? where is mitch mcconnell? how much longer can mitch mcconnell let this happen? attack on lieutenant governor and not to mention death threats? how much longer can mcconnell let this sit out there? >> a lot of rational from mcconnell is silence and passive, president trump nodeed to chin up his supporters for january. if he can get people worked up and out to the polls in january, they can win these two seats. is that still true now when the
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president may be a depressing republican turn out by convincing his supporters that the whole thing is rigged? the strategy for mcconnell is complete silence. there is a point there are diminishing returns for this sort of thing. but, certainly for republicans even if they are looking at the short term which is to get republicans out for those january run-off. >> do kemp and doucey feel -- is kemp trying to break the law in the state of georgia and do what the president says? >> they felt pressure from the president and arizona, and pennsylvania and georgia have not caved. they have stuck with what the law says and what their number says. you do say in kemp given an end to their treaty to call a
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special emergency power or do what the president has wanted. >> the president caught a lot of these governors and asking them more involved. pennsylvan pennsylvania, and wisconsin and georgia, you are not seeing the kind of involvement that the his team would liked. you know they do these recounts of the ballots and once it is done and the legal challenges are done to certify. >> josh dawsey. and abby phillips. thank you for terrific reporting. >> next dr. fauci's on the breaking news and scott atlas's departure. what one person had to say about death threats and others with chris krebs. that and more on "360."
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new book. sanjay, i want to start with you. . your reaction of dr. atlas leaving the white house. >> he was not helpful, he was harmful. the benefits of mask and not pursuing a plan of herd immunity, things he was in opposition to. he would say he was not advocating herd immunity but all of his comments suggest otherwise. you know it is unfortunate because as been suggested and not just by me, he gained the president's ears because he was reflecting what the president was saying as opposed to offering a science based proposal. birx says she would not sit in task force meetings with him anymore, that's how disruptive it is. >> quite amazing.
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if all goes well, the first people to get either the pfizer or moderna vaccines may be able to do so before christmas. so just in the simplest term, walk us through the process and what comes next. >> so some vaccines that's manufactured and distributed. even the next week or so, december 10th, this is not p preordained yet. there will be a meeting making recommendations as to whether or not the vaccine is authorized. if it is then there is certain amount of vaccine that's available and produced, prediction is 40 million doses. if boast of theth of these vacc moderna and pfizer, two doses so it would be a million people. you can look at the calendar here.
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it is going to be this rolling basis of production. we are presenting this scenario where everything goes as people hope it goes. they have to manufacture the vaccines and distribute it. we talked about how difficulty distribution is or even manufacturing and going through all the safety checks before it is released. if there is a problem with the batch, the time loline we presed could get delayed a little bit. that's how things look like roughly. >> the big picture, what are your thoughts on all these developments on the vaccines. moderna, they say 94% effective and 100% effective against severe cases. >> that's nothing but good news. if the story pans out as the
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prelimina preliminary report suggests, the issue is we have not seen the data yet. i expect the data really supports their claims. that's good news. there are things we don't know about the vaccine. how long it lasts and the long-term side effect. there are confusion as to how the vaccine is going to be used and when as you just discussed and when it will be rolled out and who'll get it? we a because scott atlas is gone does not mean leadership is bad. we need leadership across the united states which we never had in this pandemic. we need it now more than ever. we need to make sure it is done fairly and uniformly and properly. that takes strong, federal leadership. that's something i worry about. you are seeing different people in the administration saying it
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is going to be this date or that day. it is going to be these people who get it first and those people. the actual fact is it is up to the states to decide how to distribute the vaccine and to whom and it could enormously from state to state or in some cases city to city. it is great news but let's make the best of a good story. >> to what extent to the answer of these questions or does your decision whether you will personally take the vaccine hinge on the answers to those questions. >> it depends for many people, we need to see the data. the doctors will be administering the vaccine. we need to see the data. i would like to see the data on longer term effect. many are understandably eager to take the vaccine. there are possibility that it will be a short li-lived vaccin
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and people will drop precautions. one in which we begin to transit to a vaccine but increase our vigilance in this terrible pandemic which is now upon us. >> we need to be vigilance for sure the next several months. sanjay, what other piece of news from moderna when they released their information today. they said their vaccine was designed in two days back in january. it took them to design the vaccine. i have no idea to make of that. how should we interpret that? >> yeah, it is pretty remarkable. it is a different way of thinking of vaccines. it is almost like you think of this generating computer code rather than medicine in a lab. you can take a look at the calendar, the timetable very fast, they get the genetic sequence, we are going to create a portion of the virus, it is called a spike protein and get the genetic sequence of that
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particular portion of the virus, not the whole virus, essentially once you got that, that's the vaccine design, you can give just a genetic sequence and the body makes spike protein over and over again. and the body says oh, there is a lot of spike protein here, let's make the antibody. it turns the body into an entirely owned vaccine making in a way. the story did not just begin this year. some of the basic of this technology had been around for a long time going back to sars day. >> this is a triumph of science of which i have not sure i have seen in my lifetime. sanjay and haselti ne, thank you very much. a lawyer tells a radio
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it, should we executed. he was referring to christopher krebs, the former dhs official, cyber security chief who says there was zero problem of the election security. the president wrote i look forward to mayor rudy giuliani's spear heading our efforts to defend our election. joining me now is miles taylor, another close friend of chris krebs and gloria borges. you are a friend of chris krebs, how do you see him taking this? a lawyer of the president is calling on him to be executed for telling the truth.
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>> chris krebs is a wonderful public servant. anyone speaking out against a sitting president is going to face a rough time. chris was prepared for that. this is a man with a family who did a good job, all right? what was chris's crime here? he spoke the truth. he simply said that based on the job he had in the trump administration that the election was secured. now he and his family have to face the tumble of this kind of violent rehetoric out there because of him speaking the truth. my concern here is not what happened to chris but the broader culture of intimidation that's created by this president and this administration that has resulted in this. we saw during impeachment with people like alexander vindman and dr. fauci being beheaded.
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i experienced it myself, john. speaking out against the president and i now have to have a protective detail because of the threats that imminented from that. >> we just got the sound in. let's listen to what he said. >> anybody who thinks this election went well like that idiot krebs who used to be -- >> oh, the guy that's on "60 minutes." >> that guy is a moron, he should be drawn and quartered and taken out and be shot. >> that's disgraceful. joe dejenava may come out and say oh, it was a joke. oh, it is not a joke.
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this was a threat. what was he threatening him for? trying to procure the election of this country or defending the work of tens of thousands of workers out there at ballots who have been counting and recounting and making sure that every single vote is counted? office holders across states and locals across the country who have done their job making sure this election is safe? what would even, why would joe even say something like this? there is only one answer which is he's playing an audience of one and that's the president. >> as we just learned from miles who has the security details now. he has an impact beyond the audience of just one. >> gloria, i will ask you of what i think is the question. the one question left that has not been answered over the last nearly month now. where is mitch mcconnell?
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how can mcconnell listen to the president's lawyer threatening a public servant like that and remained silent? > >> this is a person that's demeaning what mcconnell does, which is to serve the public. with his silence, mitch mcconnell is not doing that. he's thinking of the short term and georgia and winning two senate seats and keeping the majority in the senate. he does not want to poke the bear. the bear being the president of the united states. the republican party is being ripped apart and you have people now and georgia is saying why should i vote? republicans saying this because it is all rigged and so the republican party you got people who's saying republican office holders who's saying we
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conducted a fair election and you got other people saying well, you know they're criminals and morons. it is just absurd and it is not only ripping the republican party apart, it is ripping the country apart. >> miles, if you are keeping score, the president attacked the republican governor of georgia, the republican governor of arizona. he suggested the doj and the fbi are somehow in on some kiend ofa fix and now his lawyer is suggesting a public servant who said the election was fair be shot. that's an incredible strain of things to happen in one day. >> it is, john. you got to look though beyond this day, we have got a washington, d.c. that's now filled with rhetoric from this president about good public servants being hung, quartered, shot, attacked.
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washington, d.c. has become medieval times under donald trump. this rhetoric jumped the track into violence such as these people who are simply trying to do their jobs and serve their country have to fear for their lives and their families. it is not just in the washington, d.c., as you note, john, down in georgia, we got people like georgia secretary of state and others who are on the receiving ends of disgusting death threats because they gone out and told the american people the truth about this election which is it is safe and most secured in modern history and what the president is claiming about it is factually incorrect. it is difficult to see how we come back from this. we are going to hear i am sure within hours that the president's lawyer denies this and he may suggest that he's
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merely joking. it does not have to be that his lawyer goes out and conduct the attack. this mob, the social media mob goes out and amplifies this and that's what creates danger for these individuals who speak out against the president and tell the truth. >> i will say something you both said, what was his crime? chris krebs saying the election is fair. >> thank you so much for being with us. david perdue under the microsco microscope, the justice department was investigating his trade at the out set of the pandemic. i will speak to his democratic opponent in the january 5th run off, jon ossoff.
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"the new york times" put incumbent david purdue under a microscope. purdue is one of two republican georgia senator facing a run off election on january 5th. kyung la has the latest. >> he's been lying to you perdue's misconduct is repeated and flagrant. >> reporter: jon ossoff is against his incumbent david perdue. >> he was getting classifiied berea briefings about the pandemic. instead of him being concerned from us, he's off selling stock. >> reporter: the timing of senator perdue selling more than a million dollars stock.
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a financial company where perdue was once a board member. e-mails obtained by "the new york times," cardytics e-mailed the senator on january 21st. >> david, i know you are about to do a call with david evans. senator perdue responded, i don't know about the call you mentioned. david, sorry, that e-mail was not meant for you, wrong david. an e-mail mixed up. but the next day on january 23rd, financial disclosure form shows perdue sold 1 million to $5 million in cardlytic stock. financial disclosure shows
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perdue bough back between 100 to $150,000 worth of cardlytic stocks. >> senatperdue defended his investment during the campaign noting that he's never been charged with a crime. >> the department of justice and scc and the ethics committee, cleared him completely. >> reporter: the investigation dogged the senator politically. the only debate between perdue ahead of the election of ossoff went viral. >> it is not you are a crook, senator, you are attacking the health of the people you represent. >> reporter: it is not just perdue. georgia's other republican, kelly loefler, the justice
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department investigated loeff r loeffler's sales on stock. ps. perdue says accusation of inside a trading are base less and nothing more than lies. >> these investigations were closed without charges. >> this conduct is obviously deeply unethical. >> reporter: kyung la, cnn, atlanta. >> we reached out directly to speak to perdue's campaign but declined to speak to us.
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you say that the standard for a u.s. senator needs to be higher than simply senator purdue wasn't criminally prosecuted. so what should that standard be? and what do you say to the fact that the justice department isn't charging him may be el. >> while he had access to classified information about covid-19 was at the same time was telling the public it was no deadlier than the flu. all year his excuse has been that he doesn't handle his own stock trades. but he was personally directing stock trades. whether or not senator purdue has been indicted is not the point. and that's a pretty low bar for conduct by a sitting u.s. senator.
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he's been enriching himself in office and lying about it all yearlong. >> so president trump going to georgia to campaign for both senators in that state. what impact do you think that will have? >> well, i mean, is the president bringing stimulus for families here? is he bringing relief for small businesses, or is he just going to be spreading covid-19. the most interesting thing is that senator david purdue, when she's behind closed doors has been complaining that opposition to the president in georgia is what forced him into the runoff and the ambiguity about whether the president is going to accept the results, he's griping about the president in private. but in public he's out here indulging the president's fantasy that he won. >> the president today attacking the republican governor of georgia, brian kemp.
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what impact do you think that will have? >> it's this same disarray where you got purdue in private come planing about trump. purdue in public calling for the resignation of the republican secretary of state. the bottom line is that david purdue felt entitled to re-election and a walk. and he expected voter suppression in georgia to keep the lid on the pot. but the lid of the people boiled over and the president was defeated here and purdue forced into a runoff. if folks want to get out the vote, i'm asking them to go to electjohn.com. >> some people say president trump attacking brian kemp, president trump attacking the georgia electoral system may depression republican turnout. to what extent are you hoping for that? >> well, i want everyone to participate in our democracy. what i want to stop are these
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attacks on voting rights because that is fundamentally what this is. remember that senator lindy graham was pressuring georgia's secretary of state to discard legitimate ballots to try to throw the state for the president. and it was black turnout in georgia that delivered this state for biden and forced purdue into a runoff. so these attacks on the process are an attack on black voters, and that cannot stand. >> joe biden not on the ballot january 5th. to what extent are you concerns that that might depression some of that democratic turnout you were just talking about? >> i'm not concerned because what's on the ballot is whether or not this incoming administration will be able to confront this pandemic and resource the public health experts, rush direct financial relief to families and businesses and invest in economic recovery. bottom line is if mcconnell keeps the senate, he will try to do to biden and harris just like he tried to do to president
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obama. it will be obstructionism, government shutdowns. he will prevent the passage of the major covid relief bill we need. we need effective government, not paralysis in a crisis like this. >> that sounds like you want the election to be nationalized. >> i'm just speaking candidly about the stakes. the stakes in georgia are high. the stakes for the nation are extraordinarily high. i call things like i see them. these races are so important, because they will determine whether or not this incoming administration can govern at a moment when we desperately need good government, when the senate has already been holding up relief for six months. this is about families, businesses, jobs and lives, not the partisan circus in washington, not which side is up, which side is down. but whether people survive this
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crisis, both in terms of their health and their literal survival and the economic catastrophe that has befallen so many families and businesses in georgia. >> appreciate it. >> thank you so much. just ahead, we just obtained dr. scott atlas' resignation letter. details when 360 continues. and empties itself into a bases you empty as little as once a month. and unlike standard robots that bounce around it cleans row by row. if it's not a shark, it's just a robot.
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early yerl we reported the breaking news that president trump's top covid adviser with no background in epidemiology has resigned. we now have the resignation letter which contains some frankly unbelievable claims. for instance, he writes, as you know, i always relied on the latest science and evidence without political considerations or influence. last month twitter removed a tweet that read masks work? no. earlier he urged michigan to, quote, rise up, unquote, against covid restrictions. later in the letter, dr. atlas also writes, these views were in agreement with those of many of the world's top epidemiologists and medical scientists. dr. fauci and others criticized atlas's lack of expertise saying he keeps talking about things that when you dissect it out and parse it out, it doesn't make
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any sense. a reminder, don't miss full circle, anderson's digital news show. you can catch it streaming live at cnn.com/fullcircle or on the cnn at any time on demand. the news continues, so let's go to chris for "cuomo primetime". >> thank you, john. i hope you all made some good thanksgiving memories. i hope you were able to keep perspective in a difficult time and avoid any potential nightmares. now we're back and we are having a collective reset. we have a new leader coming into office. we have new problems that are coming sharply into focus. and there is reason to believe that the coming months may be the worst of the pandemic. fittingly, the christian faithful begin what today? advent, the great period of waiting. and awaiting that ends that christmas. the question is, what kind of christmas are we
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