it's the top of the hour. i'm brianna keilar. >> the reality is december and january and february are going to be rough times. i actually believe they will be the most difficult time in the public health's history of this nation, largely because of the stress that it's going to put on our healthcare system. >> dr. redfield warning the u.s. could see close to 450,000 covid deaths by february, his comments echoing the white house task force message to state leader. a copy of that report obtained by cnn says the covid risk is at a historic high. it goes on to say we're in a dangerous place, due to the conduct extremely high limited exposu exposu exposure. the task force asked state public health officials to speak

out if elected officials won't do it themselves. if state and local policies do not reflect the seriousness, all public health officials must alert the state population. 2600 americans dead yesterday. that is the second-highest, but there is good news on the horizon. the head of operation warp speed says 100 million americans may be vaccinated by february. the uk just became the first nation in the west to approve the pfizer vaccine. the fda is expected to take up possible approval of the pfizer vaccine in the united states at a meeting next week. the head of the government's operation warp speed says once approved the vaccine will be available within 48 hours to healthcare workers and to people in assisted living facilities. our sarah murray is joining us now. sarah, this is a huge

undertaking. talk to us about whast challengchallenge s are. >> this is a very big undertaking and it's all moving quickly. the fda advisory committee will concern the first vaccine on december 10th, and the hope is that it could be shipping as soon as december 15th. of course, that is pending that fda authorization. on the 17th they're going to consider this moderna vaccine in the hope is those will start shipping out on december 22nd. the gold of operation warp speed is to try to get these vaccines shipped out one 48 hours of the authorization, but from there it's up to the states to get the vaccine into people's arms. we already know from a lot of states, yes, they are going to prioritize healthcare workers, that's what the advisory committee is recommendings, but a lot of states won't even get enough doses to do all their first healthcare workers in their first tranche.

if you're a healthcare worker dealing day in and day out with covid-19 patients, you probably will be at the front of the line. the government has taken a 10,000-foot view helping to get cold storage and dry ice, but a lot of this is up to states to make sure that all of these healthcare workers and eventually all these long-term care facilities residents are getting vaccinated. states, brianna, are already say they need more federal assistance to do this. one of the big concerns is healthcare workers will come in for the first and second doses, but when you're dealing with everyday americans making sure they come back for the second time around, that is a big challenge. this has all been moving at a breakneck pace. it's still not moving fast enough for president trump. you see the hed of the fda summoninged back to the white house today to speak with chief of staff mark meadows.

the president is not happy to see the headlines did that the uk is the first out of the gate. >> i'm sure he's not. thank you, sara. i want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta to talk about this. i just want to get your reaction to this estimate from dr. redfield we may have had 450,000 deaths in the u.s. by february. >> it's hard to even get the words out of my mouth on this, brianna. it sort of looks like the situation that's sort of shaping up in terms of the number of deaths per se. if you look at they projections carefully, looking back at november 19th, they say that, you know, the numbers will continue to increase and then plateau at just a remarkably high death rate for several weeks. so that's where that's coming from. i should point out, when you look at these models, and we

study these carefully, brianna, they sort of make a lot of assumptions. they make assumptions that many states will maintain mandates for the time being, but if there are states that ease the mandates, the numbers get worse and get worse rick quickly. this is the worst-case scenario, and up typically don't give that, but in march it could be 650,000. it's so striking, because that's the same number of people who died in the united states during the 1918 flu pandemic. the population is obviously a lot bigger now, but we have hospitals, icus, vaccines, things like that, therapeutics, and yet maybe we don't do better than 100 years ago just because of human behavior. so many thoughts go through my head, brianna, but those are some of them. >> i think that's why it's so hard so say the number, sanjay, because it didn't have to be that way. that's the tragedy you feel just saying that number.

on this vaccine news, and of course the vaccine it can't get here soon enough, we're -- but this uk approval, dodds this as putting more pressure on the fda here in the u.s.? >> you know, i think that that's certainly going to be part of the discussion. you can't disentangle anything from -- i think there's a couple things to keep in mind. the fact that the uk regulatory body did this is a good thing. we had only seen data from the company really so far. we didn't have reason to not believe it, but it's nice that a regulatory authority has said there were no red flags. it matches up with what the company says, which is essential what you uk is saying. we also get a look at how they distribute some of the stuff that sara was talking about. likely we're going to see the same approval next week in the united states. we'll see if that happens. i should point out it doesn't make a difference in terms of

where the difference goes. doses have been prepurchased, sometimes even pre-positioned in these places. regardless of the earlier approval, it shouldn't accept the availability versus elsewhe elsewhere. >> the cdc just changed its recommendation on how long people should quarantine with how long they've been exposed to someone. it's now 7 to 10 days, and they made this change in the hopes that more people would actually comply if the burden is great. do you agree with the decision, do you agree with the rationale? >> yeah, i really do. in fact, brianna, this is something we've been reporting on for some time. while 14 is sort of the longer end, the average incubation from time of exposure to the time someone would test positive is actually closer to five days. to say i think it's reasonable

bat based on the science to quantity tee t it does mant sense, so it fits the science, and much more in line. >> sanjay, thank you so much. such important news to talk about today, and i'm so glad you could come on to talk with us about it. >> as the position continues his attack on the legitimacy of the u.s. election, he is reportedly considering multiple pardons for those close to him, including some of the bearing the trump name. cnn has learned trump is considering pardons for his three eldest children, his son-in-law and his personal attorney rudy giuliani. john dean is a cnn contributor, the former white house counsel for the nixon administration, and the author of "authoritarian

nightmare." john. >> what do you think is going on here? what do you think the end game may be? is he looking for some type of retaliation from a biden justice department? is he trying to inoculate people from what they already have done? >> it's hard to know for sure, but what has rum abled is he's protecting his kids from some retaliation from the biden administration. that's how he thinking. that he would attack the family of somebody, which is quite surprising, and quite likely. i think, too, if he does grant a pardon to his children, what he ought to do is really take hunter biden and pardon him as well, since he was the target of

that campaign. >> you're trying to make a case there's some apples to apples on are something in? >> it eliminates the argument he's doing it just for his family and wouldn't think it's a wise policy for any president, so he just takes it off the table for his -- hi competitor in the last race. >> i suspect you don't see that really happening, though? >> i don't see that. >> so i wonder what you think -- look, if the shoe were on the other foot here, if we were talking about a democratic president, a barack obama trying to preempttively -- how do you think conservatives week responding? >> i think they would go crazy. i think they would absolutely impeach him on that move alone, even at the end. you know, a president who leaves office is still subject to

impeachment if he's eligible for run for further office. trump theoretically could be impeached for his behavior on the way out. same requirements, the house of simple majority, the senate is three quarters, which takes a lot, 66 votes. so it's not likely to happen in the senate, but it can send a message. anyway, i can't imagine that the conservatives would let obama get away with a similar move, and we would never hear the end of it. >> no, you can know that, even as a hypothetical. so, john, federal court reports have revealed that the doj is investigating a potential -- related to funneling money or related political committee -- a related political committee in exchange for a political pardon. the partially redacted

specifically states this, quote, a bribery conspiracy scheme would offer a substantial political contribution in exchange for a presidential pardon or reprieve for sentence using as intermediaries to deliver the proposed bribe. what is your reaction to this? >> well, this is an investigation that's in progress. when you read the full paper, what that document is, it's a ruling by the judge that there's no attorney-client privilege on information that seized in a -- by a search warrant in a raid. they got over two terabytes of digital material from i phones, from i pads, thumb drives, hard drives, so there was massive material. what they call a filter group at the department of justice, discovered these potential

attorney-client privileged materials, and went to court to try to get that resolved. which they did. the court found there was no attorney-client privilege. the court also said i would like this information released asap, and gave them 30 days to come back. justice didn't come back with any kind of real substantive response, and the judge sent them back again, and said give me something about what's going on. that's the document that was released, which is still not very much information. >> john, thank you. it's always wonderful to have you on. >> thank you, brianna. john dean with us today. still ahead, a georgia election officials calls out president trump for stoking his conspiracy theories about election fraud, and republican lawmakers who have stayed silent. >> all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. one is going to get hurt. someone is going to get shot. someone will get killed.

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president-elect joe biden has won georgia again. a second recount will finish up today, but the secretary of state says there's been no substantial changes in the votes so far. president trump has accused georgia and its leaders of voter fraud, with absolutely nothing to back his claims up, yet his works still have an impact. election workers have received threats of death and violence.

gabriel sterling, who we note is a republican, has had enough. >> it's all gone too far. all of it. joe genova asked for chris k krebs, and a 20-year-old election workers had a noose hung outside. it has to stop. mr. president, you have not condemned these actions or this language. senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. this has to stop. we need you to step up and if you're going to take a position

of leadership, show some. my boss has had people doing car aadvance, people have come on their reports. his wife is getting sexualized threats through her cell phone. had has to stop. this is election, this is the backbone of democracy, all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. i can't begin to explain the level of anger i have over this. every american, every georgian, republican and democrat alike, should have the same level of anger. mr. president, it looks like you likely lost the state of georgia. we're investigating, there's always a possibility, i get it. you have the rights to go through the courts. what you don't have the ability to do, and you need to step up

and say this, stop people from inspiring potential violence. someone will get hurt. someone will get shot. someone will get killed. if you want to run for reelection in four years, fine. do it. but everything we're seeing now, there's not a path. be the bigger man here, step in, tell your supporters, don't be violent. don't intimidate. all of that is wrong. it's un-american. now, in response to sterling's impassioned statement, the trump campaign said it fully condemns any threat or violence. amara walker is in georgia's assistant coal in atlanta, following everything there. that was something to hear gab ilsterling say that, and it came at this hour, the secretary of state launched i site for reporting results of the recount there.

>> reporter: some of the counties were supposed to be posting the recount at 2:00 this afternoon. we have not seen any updated numbers just yet. but the secretary of state has been saying this for weeks now. they do not expect any substantial changes in the results of the presidential election here in georgia. that's exactly what they're seeing 110 of 159 counties that have finished have not reported any major discrepancies. all things considered, it looks like they're on track to meet the deadline of midnight tonight and for the secretary of state to certify the results by friday. brianna, i do want to mention, i had an extensive sit-down with the secretary of state here yesterday at the capitol. it's evident. it's been a very challenging someti time for him. he now has 24 hours, 7 days a week security at home and at

work as a result of -- as a direct result of president trump spreading misleading claims of widespread voter fraud in georgia, for which there is absolutely no evidence. also morning. he began his news conference sake he throws his full support behind gabriel sterling after the impassioned news conference yesterday. he said it's time for republican leaders to speak the truth and for president trump to accept the fast he has lost georgia. we'll get an update at 3:30 once again from the secretary of state's office, and we will pass along any new information. >> they're clearly worried about the physical 15i69 of themselves and their families. amara, thank you. president trump's anger isn't confined to georgia, of course. he has lashed out at the governor of arizona for certifying president-elect biden's wen there.

claiming that doug doucey betrayed the people. katy hobbes also signed off on the election results. i know that you've heard these emotional comments out of the georgia, that mere hearing from gabriel sterling. is that something that resonates with you? >> oh, absolutely 100%. it's been a very frustrating part of this post election period, seeing elected leaders in arizona not just fail to condemn this kind of rhetoric and threats being made, but flat-out egg them on and continue to fuel this kind of behavior. it's been extremely frustrating. >> what type of threats have you received, secretary? >> so there were threats on

social media. we have law enforcement here monitoring activity on social media, and looking into the -- people who posted them. there's surveillance outside my house, because people have showed up at my house as well, and so they're monitoring and anything -- we're staying on top of things coming in. >> you sound very calm, as you're saying that people have showed up at your house. i can't imagine that's the way the situation played out in the moment. what was that like? >> i actually wasn't at home. my husband was. he was pretty rattled. we actually left to go to a hotel for a few days, and my kids with on were both home from college for thanksgiving, and we got away from that holiday as well, so we weren't disrupted. >> so you had to leave your house because of the safety concerns? >> yeah. so the president's personal

lawyer rudy giuliani wants republican lawmakers to convene a hearing into voter fraud in the state's election, in your state's election. what is your response to that? >> he keeps talking about this evidence. they presented zero evidence. the place to present evidence is in a court of law. all the court cases have been thrown out for lack of evidence. so there's no grounds for the legislature to intervenes in this situation at this point. you know, they have this -- i don't even want to call it a hearing. it was at a hotel on monday, and, again, they haves actual evidence, bring it to a court, that's the place to do it, but legislators there saying they could overturn the election results. that's just not possible at all. >> secretary of state katie hobbs, thank you for talking with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you.

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healthcare workers and those living in long-term care facilities will be first in line to get a coronavirus vaccine once it is approved. a group of independent cdc advisers share that recommendation yesterday. this received overwhelming support for all except for one member of the 14 period of ti-p. joining us is the one who voted against it. doctor, thank you for joining us. what is your concern? >> absolutely. first, i want to make clear that i think healthcare workers definitely need to be in the first group. i feel very comfortable for voting for the healthcare workers. i think they'll set an amazing example. i think my concerns for the

long-term care facility is we don't have any data. it would be lovely to have clinical trials in the long-term facilities, to see how well the vaccine works, and to know exactly what side effects to expect. >> so when you think of this being used in long-term care facilities without the data you want to see, you obviously think the what the worst-case scenario could be, what is that to you? >> i think the worst-case scenario is new yorkal life events will be blamed on the vaccine. someone will have a heart attack. someone will have a stroke. things happen, and they'll be temporarilily associated with t vaccine. they won't be caused by the vaccine, but there may be confusion. and that will cause a lack of vaccine confidence.

>> we have seen them be incubators, so how do long-term care facilities fit into the roll-out and distribution of the vaccine? >> actually, i think the most important part of now the residents, though they were incredibly important in the vaccine. it's the people who work at the long-term care facility. if they can be vaccinated and they prevent transmission, if they prevent the virus from getting near the patients and residents it will be much more effective. so really the key is vac nating everybody who works or advice in the -- visits in the long-term care facilities. it likely that the recommendation of the vast majority of this panel is accepted, is it likely any of this is adjusted, considering the concerns are racing here?

>> i think it gave me the opportunity to speak up about studying people in long-term care facilities. influenza does it yearly, respiratory virus does it yearly. we need vaccines designed for residents of long-term facilities, and we need long-term studies. cvs and walgreens are helping. >> they'do you have any concern you scoff at that. what are your concerns about the number of people and the frequency of the visits?

>> i didn't scoff. nothing is going to be easy with a vaccine s we can't just carry it in a pocket, though i'm excited we do have a vaccine. the most important thing is we just are very careful and examine anything that does happen in and around the vaccine. we have really great vaccine experts that can do that. i think the best thing that will happen and probably the knotts exciting is we can slow down the spread of this virus. i think that will be phenomenal. >> do you worry, though -- what precautions need to be taken when you're talking about introducing -- look, family members haven't been able to do in and see their family members in these facilities. what are your concerns if you have teams of two to ten people going in two to three times, as you point out, is going to have to happen? >> i think team will have to be just as careful as my health care workers will have to be.

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protections for social media. here's larry kudlow on fox business. >> he's not dictating the language, but he wants an amendment to curb the unbridled loot protection shield these firms have. you reported this, all these big social media isn't is odd that conservative messaging is being taken down? >> joining me now is john kirby, and brian stelter. you know, brian, the president wants to get rid of section 230. just explain what it is and why the president takes such issue with it.

>> if i started a website and you posted comments about me, i would not be liable. it happens all the time on the enter net. here's the exact language from the 1996 law. it says no protection of an shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any -- so that means your hateful comments or my ugly comments or my ridiculous video would not be responsible to the person on the website that it's published on. the president right now has gone after twitter, because it keeps flagging his lies. he claims it's censorship, that there's systemic bias against conservatives, an the way to address it is reform of section 230. >> a lot of people do believe there needs to be reform, but

there's disagreements on how to do it. but there's actually a lot of gray here. because he is is mad at twister. what is the impact of this? >> in the short term, probably not a whole lot. a lot of operational contingency funds that will go on if they really need to. they can seek a resolution from the congress over the long haul -- it will be limited.

so i find it ironic, and now he's holding that exact process hostage. >> it's downright bizarre. thank you both. next, president trump weighs in on the battle between moderates and progressives in the democratic party. why he says he's not a fran of using the phrase, defund the police. each other this flu season by getting vaccinated. if you're 65 or older, get the superior flu protection of fluzone high-dose quadrivalent. it's the only 65+ flu vaccine with four times the standard dose. and it's free with medicare part b. fluzone high-dose quadrivalent isn't for people who've had a severe allergic reaction to any flu vaccine or vaccine component, including eggs or egg products. tell your health care professional if you've ever experienced severe muscle weakness after receiving a flu shot.

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former president barack obama is cautioning progressives about the phrase "defund the police" calling it polarizing

and ineffective. in an interview with snapchat, the former president says there's power in the word choice. >> you've got to be able to meet people where they are. you can use a snappy slogan like "defund the police" but you know you lost a big audience the minute you say it. if you instead say, let's reform the police department so that everybody is being treated fairly, suddenly a whole bunch of folks who might not otherwise listen to you are listening to you. >> now, progressives like ilhan omar and michelle talib are hitting back, and it was tweeted, with all due respect, mr. president, let's talk about losing people. we lost michael brown jr. and we lost breonna taylor. we losing our loved ones to police violence. people seem to be struggling

about it. >> that's right, brianna, because talking to democratic strategists and republican strategists about this, republicans thought this was their most effective attack on those members of congress who ended up winning this year. it became a huge issue to fund the police because it doesn't sound like there is a lot of gray area in that slogan, even though many of the republican attacks on democrats were false and democrats had positions that were more in the middle saying, when you think about police reform this ended up being really effective for republicans. i think that part of what is at issue here, it's still a live issue in the georgia runoff race. we'll probably hear about it in the debate between senator loeffler and reverend warnock. she said how the call to defund the police would put atlanta at

risk where there is a rising murder rate. this is something democrats have to think through the language really carefully and that's the point the president was making, was that a lot of americans didn't see nuance in this, and republicans felt that it helped them particularly with suburban women who president trump talked so much about in the lead-up to the election. >> they certainly didn't see nuance in it, and he's very much illuminating this fracture in the democratic party over how to talk about these things. he also may have called on democrats to make room for new talent in the party. let's listen. >> we stick so long with the same old folks and don't make room for new voices. the fact that aoc got three minutes or five minutes, even though they don't agree with everything she says? i used to be the young, shiny cool guy, but now is the

gray-haired grizzled old vet. >> he says there need to be new blood. why isn't there? >> this is something certainly that biden's advisers are struggling with right now as they try to build the cabinet and also the infrastructure that's going to be around the president-elect. but you see a lot of young voters who feel that they really have stepped up and made a contribution, you know, for example, in the 2018 midterm elections and also in the presidential election by turning out, by getting out to vote, by talking about all of these new ideas and bringing more people into the democratic party, and they feel that they have, you know, it's their due now. certainly the argument on the other side of that within the party is that elevating the voices of, you know, aoc and omar, that would potentially really cause some issues in terms of messaging for them. some of the other attacks that were really effective on

democrats this year were on the green new deal and on taxes, for example, so those are issues where biden is going to have to try to find middle ground but also try not to alienate those moderate voters that he's trying to speak to right now, brianna. >> maeve reston, it was so lovely to see you. thank you. >> you, too. joe biden and kamala harris will be joining jake tapper tomorrow night. there is their first joint interview since winning the white house. that will be at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. a new report in to cnn, biden's team is narrowing its list for the next department of health and human services. cnn correspondent jeff zeleny has details on the leading contender. >> reporter: brianna, as president-elect joe biden continues filling out his cabinet, we're learning that one of the leading contenders for the key role of health and human services secretary is mexican

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hi there, i'm brooke bald n baldwin. you're watching cnn on this thursday -- check that -- wednesday afternoon. thanks so much for being with me. we begin with enormous progress on covid vaccines today. the chief economic adviser of operation warp speed predicting 100 million americans could have their shots by february. >> so between december, mid-december and end of -- sorry, in february, end of february we will have potentially immunized 100 million people, which is really more or less the size of the significant at-risk population,