"the president waiting," i am eager to watch this. thanks very much to join us. you can watch "out front" any time and anywhere, go to cnn. m cnn.com/go. "ac 360" begins right now. >> good evening, new records being set for cases, people hospitalized and dying. nearly 6 million residents in the san francisco bay area under stay-at-home orders because local icus are running out of capacity. a special cnn's town hall dr. gupta and i will focus questions about the vaccines. we begin tonight with the white house upheaval. our jim acosta is there. he did a reporting just now. this involves a president's staff, what's going on? >> we saw the white house's

communications director stepping down. that raised some questions. you remember a month ago, a white house official johnny mcentire issued this threat. all of that is gone. staffers here at the white house from what we can tell doing our reporting they're ignoring those threats from mcentire and others. they're starting to head for the exit. i talked to a white house official today, listen, the atmosphere in this west wing and inside the white house is getting more toxic by the day and people are turning on each other and they're trying to settle scores. that's one reason why staffers are leaving because of this toxic environment and others are leaving because they are fed up with the president. there are staffers who are saying they are sick and tired of the president not conceding this race. this is tarnishing his legacy and also undermining democracy

because it is undermining people's faiths in u.s. elections and the practical fact the matter that people need to find jobs. the president may think he's heading to a second term come january of 2021. but everybody else here at the white house understands it is time to move on and they have to find a new job. >> the president is making money off of these falsehoods of election fraud. he's making millions on this potentially, tens of millions. how does the president take this given his usual high demands for loyalty which he does not necessarily ever reciprocate? >> right now he appears to be unfazed by this. he's making the same baseless allegations and claiming some lies, and so on. and so this is a president as we have been saying for weeks now who's not dealing with the reality of the situation and even though i am told he

privately understands he's going to be leaving office come january 20th, we'll get a better sense of that question you are asking and the coming days when he starts to see some of these staffers leaving. anderson, the number of staffers here is dwindling. and you are seeing high level staffers exiting the white house and low level staffers and he's going to start to notice some of the people he's surrounded by weeks ago will be gone. it is time to move on. >> jim acosta. we'll come back a little bit about the president's plans campaigning in georgia this weekend. the pandemic, more than half of us know someone personally been hospitalized from covid-19 or has died of it. 54% of this people in this country according to the latest research. all the scary numbers bomb boarg us is that figure. it tells the story of a deejay

in florida who loverd dancing with his daughter died from covid. they are part of that 54%. that 54% includes erin shriner. her sister, nancy, called her the best and ever. and flanagan, of her late brother, to many he'll be a statistic, tennessee's second covid death. a loving and uncle and father and husband. that is 54% including everyone connected to riley barron contracted covid and suffered a mini struck. >> i think there is a lot of people not taking this seriously and now is the time to do that. i never thought that i would get covid in the first place and two didn't think it would be that

dire when i first tested positive. it is so important to kind of realize how unpredictable this virus is and taking it seriously. >> young or old, 54% now know someone like riley or have lost someone like flanagan. more and more americans dying, eventually that 54% will be 60% than 75% or higher. yes, vaccines are coming but they can't come soon enough. 2300 new deaths reported today. today's figure won't be final for hours. covid is the leading cause of death in this country. the institute is now projecting more than a quarter million americans will die by the beginning of april, bringing the total to 539,000 by april. so even with a vaccine, these next few months will be unlike anything we have seen before. #.

>> i think we have not yet seen the post thanksgiving peak. that's the concerning thing because the numbers in of itself are alarming and you realize that it is likely we'll see more of the surge as we get to two or three weeks past the thanksgiving holiday. the thing that concerns me is that it is right on christmas holiday where people start to travel and shopping and congregate. >> dr. anthony fauci joins us at the top of the next hour for a special cnn's town hall. he talks about the single best thing we can all do right now is wear a mask. think about that when you think of peggy, the woman we talked about, peggy flanagan, her brother, ron, who died.

66,000 lives can be saved if 95% of us could wear masks. some communities should consider giving them out. as a result a decision like that and many, many more. the number of people hospitalized and today topping 101,000 and those figures there is something grimmer. according to the atlantic, covid tracking projects, hospitals have been filling up with covid patients to a percentage of admitted covid-19 cases have been falling. suggesting there may not be enough care. the bulk of evidence suggests one of the worst fears of the pandemic that hospitals will become overwhelm leading to needless deaths is happening

now. dr. chris murray, director of washington and cnn's correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. >> with the expected vaccines roll out, the united states is forecasted to see 593,000 deaths by april 1st, and more astonishing and even with the vaccines. the death toll could reach 770,000 by april 1st. that's more than the circle spanish flu epidemic back in 1918. >> yes, we are facing, you know a number of pretty grim months ahead, andreas lubitzerson. we have seen the number high this week already. we think it will go up to 3,000 deaths a day in january. there is a long passage ahead. although the hope of vaccines is there, it is not going to come

in time to deal with january/february surge. >> and dr. murray, when you look at the model, people may not realize there is sort of thee triggers that are built in and many states as i read it correctly. you hit about 8 deaths per million residents. that many states would reimpose mandates. that's about 2800 deaths nationally per day and we hit that mark. is it realistic? do you think these states reimpose mandates and how bad will the numbers get? how bad do they get if these mandates don't go into place? >> they can get much worse. it can get up to 6,000 deaths a day is possible. some states are acting and we see what's happening in california and minnesota and a number of other states are

taking measures. we still believe that states will take measures but it is concerning that the death tolls are so high and some states have not acted yet. >> in the u.s. the roll out plan reducing the number of deaths by 9,000 by april 1st. why is that? presumably that'll increase as the months go on i presume. >> if you look far out, vaccines are going to make a huge difference, saving a lot of lives and getting us back to normal much sooner. even if we authorize a vaccine next week, start to scale up and get up 3 million people being vaccinated and the lag built into that and the two doses and the bad times are now, january, means disturbingly we don't get a huge impact until april vaccinatio

vaccinations. >> dr. murray, in the report today look at the number of covid-19 would be the leading cause of deaths over 11,000 deaths if you add it up. that outpaces heart disease, on average 10,500 people die every week. covid-19 is it now the leading cause of death in this country? how did you arrive at this? >> part of what we do at the institute, we look at every cause and not just covid. we track it carefully. yes, covid is the leading cause of death in america this week. >> president biden says his team has not seen a detailed plan for dri distributing the vaccine. do you believe that's accurate? what would that mean if there is not a detailed plan? >> well, you know, the vaccine, the mrna vaccine is going to come out first, pfizer and

moderna really require something for than the usual flu vaccine. it is more of a challenge to scaling that up. our understanding from both the producers and from the discussions that we all heard about from government and state governments is they're primarily going to use the normal mechanisms of going to clinics and hospitals to get vaccinated. so, i think a lot will be left to each state. we do think vaccinations will start in december and we'll start to see a steady scale up. if we can somehow double our efforts and be twice as fast, we can make a bigger dent. even then we are talking about saving another 24,000 lives by that double speed vaccinations. >> the vaccine committee voted to dot recommend authorization use of vaccination for children,

do you think that's a good call? when do you expect children will begin to get the vaccine or what age they should get the vaccine at? >> it is a tough call and a good call. there is not a lot of data yet. they started adding children into these clinical trials but we don't have data and you can't look at children as small adults. dosing will be different and different vaccines that work better. the other part that went into that decision while kids can get sick, we heard tragic stories. they're far less likely to develop symptoms and get sick. i wish we have more vaccines but it is not here yet. >> masks are critical of stopping the spread, we talked about this endlessly now. have you seen any indication that people are doing that and what circumstances would inside the house masks to be warn ed i

your house. >> inside the house if you are coming into contact with anybody outside of your household. if you are just at home with your own household members, there is no purpose in wearing a masks unless they're going out and at risk of exposure. if you had any contact with people outside your households or having to work and come in contact with others, yes, that makes a lot of sense. you know we have been saying for so long that masks work and it is a question of getting more people to use them. the good news is that as things get bad, people are more likely to wear a mask. we are seeing that data. we like for it to go up past it. >> sanjay, what do you make of where we are at right now? >> well, it is sad. it is tragic and worrisome for

months ahead. i was writing an essay today looking at all the points that we could have interviewed and some of the ways dr. murray talked about and we didn't. it is kind of like the patient you give a treatment plan and ta don't follow it and come back angry and a few months later, they get sick. i remain optimistic and i am glad vaccines are underway and doubling up on people until it gets here. >> chris murray, we appreciate it. >> sanjay, we have a global town hall coronavirus vaccine starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. dr. fauci will be joining us live, stay safe until those vaccines arrive. that's sanjay and i at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here. next for us, breaking news and other strings of post elections of court ruling and another string of defeat for the

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the conservative control wisconsin supreme court throwing out a case, declining to hear a lawsuit filed by the president. in arizona, a state court dismissing a lawsuit seeking to void biden's win or force another recount. the judge says the plaintiff failed to prove fraud or erroneous fraud count. as you know the president routinely attacked republicans in the state for not finding fraud in the state's presidential balloting. we want to go back to our jim acosta who has new reporting on the president on brian kemp. what kind of message can we expect from the president and

now the governor? >> reporter: yeah, i just talked to a white house adviser about this. this adviser says the people around the president "panicked" about what may happen with these run-offs. why the president started this and he has surrogates like cindy powell and the white house trying to distance themselves from those individuals. simply raising these questions, casting all sorts of aspersions of the vote in georgia and sending a message it is not worth for you to come out and vote in these run-offs because your votes may not count. with the white house advisers and others i have spoken on this and at capitol hill is that the unintended consequences of all of that is you can have a depressed base turn out.

run-offs a lot of time boils down to turnouts. they win those two seats along with vice president kamala harris, they have the majority in the senate. i was talking to the white house's adviser a short while ago, the president is very concerned about that. his agenda is really in jeopardy much more so than right now. >> the president would essentially being acknowledging he and vice president pence will be out of office. how do you expect people to walk that line? >> yes, exactly. they are essentially admitting at this point that they lost the election in directly. the vice president was down in georgia earlier today. he was making this case if ossoff and warnock win the senate seat, democrats are going to control the senate.

the president going to be talking about his legacy and his record and that democrats as they take control of the senate will be undoing that. if this base has not turned out. the president has been able to count on this base. if you go back to 2016 but as we saw in the 2020 election, his base ended up not being enough especially in that state of georgia which surprised everybody. this is getting under the president's skin. kaitlan collins talking to her sources and found that the president has been saying privately that brian kemp is a moron because he's not been able to do the president's bidding. anders anders anderson, you can have the mother of all unintended consequences by starting all of these nonsense and having sidney powell carrying the water in georgia actually take the control over senate and hand it over to the democrats. that's the ultimate of all

ironies at the end of this. >> he used to praise brian kemp when he was trying to urge people to get back to work. is he going to have a big rally in georgia? do you know what the plan is? >> the plan is for the president to hold a rally tomorrow evening. it is expected to atrack a huge crowd obviously. the question is how far the president wants to go. we'll be watching this language carefully. if the president is saying a few moments ago if you don't go out there, we'll lose control of the senate. that's acknowledging joe biden and kamala harris are coming into power on january 20th, he's going to be walking that line. the president has continued to wage this futile battle where he think he's going to have these voter fraud allegations and so on resulting h i im and keeping control of the white house. nobody thinks that.

and staffers inside the white house don't believe it that's why they are leaving right noi. it is interesting to watch what the president has to say. we'll be dissecting it for you. >> joining us now, the mayor of atlantic, keisha lance-bottoms. do you think the president has h his rights to worry about georgia? >> i think they should have concern and of course i just hope that as democrats across georgia that we have enough discipline not to just wait for the republican party to self-implode. there is a lot of in coming fire from the president but for us to win january 5th, we have to remain focused. that focus has to continue to get people to turn out and vote. there were still a lot of people who stayed at home in november. we had a record turn out in the state but there were still a

number of registered voters on the democrat side who did not turn out to vote. we got to continue to push that message that it is not over and january 5th is just as important as the november election. >> obviously there is no evidence of that and ridiculous notion. there is zero evidence of backing any fraud claims. what does it say where politics are in your state. that's what's happening right now. all these republicans have been going along with the president these last since the election in the hopes that he'll back these candidates in georgia. now some circuits for the president out there saying don't go vote. >> it is interesting just by way of bit of history, brian kemp, the governor was of georgia was

endorsed by president trump. he was the primary. there is very long history there. we of course have a republican elected secretary of state. to watch republican officials pushing back against a president is something we have not seen before. welcome to 2020. there are all sorts of things we have not seen before including a president of the united states who refuses to acknowledge that he lost. it is my hope again that across this state including those republicans who voted for joe biden and kamala harris, those independents who voted for joe biden and kamala harris, that they'll remember the chaos of this time and they'll vote for warnock and jon ossoff. >> former barack obama was at a

rally today. i want to play what he said. >> you are the civic of our universe. the special election of georgia is going to determine the course of the biden presidency. >> are there still people who have not made up their minds or just a question of getting people out to vote? >> from all the polling that i see, i think it is going to be about turnout. we know quite often people believe they have done enough when they go and vote in the presidential election. we rarely have run-off elections for civic races in the state and on top of that to have the opportunity to elect two senators. this is a place in the state we have not been in for quite some time. it is going to be about turnout, about reminding people and

educate people and why they have to go back and vote. many voters voted for the first time in this election. many people who never voted before and really don't even understand the concept of a turnout. >> speaking of that, black voter turnout in georgia did increase in the presidential cycle and did lagged. what did you think the best way to increase voter turnout among black voters. >> i can tell you the number is staggering, the number of african-americans who did not vote in november. what we have to do is reach people where they are. it is great that television is running, i have an 18-year-old in my house who does not watch television so we got to talk to them social media and we have to knock on doors or make phone calls and cover all bases to get

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details of possible bribery for presidential pardon case. it proved it only became public knowledge this week. what more have you learn about

this suspected scheme and who was involved? >> this is an alleged bribery for presidential pardon scheme. a quid pro quo. according to people we have spoken with and court records, others involved in the record for barrett's lawyer. also involved the california billionaire by the name of barry diller who died in 2018. it was thought that he made the contribution in exchanges for barrett's klclemency. doj has electronic records to backup its case including outreach to the white house

according to these court documents. >> has there been any response to those allegedly involved. they have no reason to believe their clients are under investigation or involved in wrong doing or they have not heard from investigators, a lawyer for lowell says he spoken to doj and given the impression no one has been charged. it is unclear if it is still an active case or not. there is so many unanswered questions. questions raised by this case came to light from heavily redacted documents unsealed by the judge earlier this week. >> i don't understand this case. who's the person in california? >> there is a couple of people in california. it is complicated. you have this california billionaire who died in 2018 and then you have this psychologist in california barrett convicted

and put behind bars for tax issues back in 2014. and abby lowell was his lawyer. then you have the lobbyist, you have eliot brody helping to coordinate all of these and from court documents. like i said there is so many questions raised because what is unclear is the scheme is laid out and the people we spoken to. it is unclear who was doing the communicating and what this specific communications were. there are still a lot of unanswered questions and we'll keep digging. >> i think you misspoke on the name of the person in california. it is sandford diller. >> it is barry. >> sorry, my bad. >> thank you for that correction. >> pamela. thank you very much. >> appreciate it. we somehhowed you how gop i protecting the senate majority,

kyung la looks at this. >> reporter: 60 miles west of atlanta sits harrison, georgia. here lunch is served at a size of disbelieves. >> reporter: who do you think won in nevaovember? >> i honestly think trump did. >> reporter: for some, supporters of the president is impossible to think of the upcoming january's senate run offs with continued misinformation from president trump and others. >> reporter: you voted in november, how do you feel about the run off? >> it does not matter. it is not going to change

anything. >> reporter: why do you say that? >> with all the voter fraud and 100% of what's going on. how they counted the votes or whatever. it is confusion, you know, you can't trust anything anymore. >> reporter: that's the republican nightmare in the upcoming senate run-offs. here the republican who could hold the most sway is trump. the president increases support by 3,000 votes from four years ago. a trend in deep red counties. donald trump not only won these counties in november, he did so by roughly 276,000 more votes than in 2016. >> republicans need that enthusiast enthusiastic. kelly loeffler and david perdue.

there is a complication, the president keeps saying this. >> it was a fixed election, they know it. >> reporter: that baseless claims put the incumbent ballot in a pickle >> president trump is frustrated and i am frustrated, we'll do everything we can to make sure whatever anomaly occurred in november don't happen in january. this is illogical for many republicans to say oh i am going to sit down and not vote. >> reporter: republican buzz rockway said people are not showing up. the internet spread things like wildfires. >> reporter: what happens if the president keeps talking about a rigged election. >> that hurts because he has a passionate group of followers

who are committed to him than the republican party. if he were to continue to that message, that would be hurtful to the republican party and to loeffler and perdue. >> reporter: andy gunther in the local republican party says the more outrage trump is at the rally, the higher the enthusiasm for the senators. >> it is going to boost the electorates to come out stronger. >> reporter: why? >> it is defiance. we are not going to take this stuff sitting down. we are going to come back out and vote and show that we call. >> reporter: kyung la, cnn, georgia. i want to bring in our scott jennings and abby phillips. some are worried of what he may say or not say. do you think of the potential benefits having him there out weighs the possible negatives? >> well, it is hard to say.

it is important for the president to be there if they are going to have a shot of getting the kind of turnout they need. the president's rallies effective turn-out system for the trump campaign. it gets people excited and getting thousands of people out of their homes. it is a huge endeavor to simply get people to get out and do something. the president bush trump is foc on himself and his fixation could turn everything up on his head. if he can't get focused this weekend to say i need you to get out and go vote, it could all be for not. he may spend an hour at the rally talking and basically telling his supporters that the whole thing is rigged and i am not sure that's going to be particularly helpful to republicans. >> scott, i am not going to ask you what you think of the

president will say because there is no way to predict that. in terms of what he should say. the message would be the system is rigged but go out and vote anyway? >> i mean if you want me to paint a perfect picture, here is what he should say. look, i know you are disappointed, here is what we'll do, we'll stick it to the people who made my life miserable for the last four years and you will deliver a republican majority. it is going to preserve everything we fought for. all the things you like about my administration, we can preserve if republicans are involved. that's what he should say. that's the clearest way. >> does that acknowledge what he has lost? >> yeah, you are trying to do algebra here. i am not sure both sides of the equal signs are going to come out right here, anderson. the reality is you ask me what you should say and to get republicans to vote is to tell

them everything we are fighting for goes away. if you let these democrats win. here is the truth about what the republicans think about georgia. number one, the polling sucks, number two, and by that i mean no one believes in the polling, it was not right. no one else is going to vote. number three, it is incredibly close state. i say we are instruments here. we are totally flying blind on this thing. it all comes down to what he says. >> paul? >> how do you see this? >> i think abby hit the nail on the head. it is all about trump. he's like warming up the opera, me, me, me. the first person singular is his favorite part of the speech. this could be a trap for the democrats though.

i here is a problem. that game does not affect my life, it is a side show. 9 thousand 648 georgians are dead from covid. while trump is worried about the electorates and david perdue and loeffler are worried, democrats need to bring it back and not to the trump's show. the top of your show is heartbreaking. i know you got dr. fauci coming up at 9:00. this is what people should be talking about, mr. trump, and loeffler and perdue and jon osso ossoff. the only way you get covid aids is democrats win because republicans killed it. that's the message democrats

should be pushing. >> abby, there is this argument happening among people in georgia, some are telling people not to vote because they claim the election is rigged which is ba baseless. what are republicans to think of all the mix-messaging? >> the problem for the rnc in particular is a lot of trump supporters who kind of most surprised pollsters by showing up in places and at times where pollsters don't expect them to are the ones who spends a lot of time where words and comments like people of sidney powell and others about how the election is rigged and you should not give the system your vote. they're listening to those things because that's what they are seeing day in and day out in their day-to-day and they're talking about it among their friends. it is hard to counter that

message from a 10,000 foot perspective with mcdaniels telling people to go ahead to vote when they're not listening to the ronald mccdaniellcdaniel world. when president trump is not on the ballot is a little harder for those types of voters who kind of helped him along to come out for republicans down ballot. >> paul, how concerned are democrats about their voters getting a little compulsive? >> oh, they're not complacent. it is very hard. i have been to a lot of places in georgia and i used to work there. democrats usually have a hard time at the run-off. it is about motivating your base, mr. trump motivates his base but does not unify his party. democrats have a hard time moving two key groups, young

people and african-americans. warnock and jon ossoff. that's hopeful for the democrats. i don't think democrats fallen into this trap talking about trump and his feud with brian kemp. they need to talk about people's lives. i think warnock and ossoff are doing that. >> thank you very much. a covid vaccine could be available by the end of this month. dr. sanjay gupta and i will be discussing that and dr. fauci. that starts about 10 minutes from now in our global town hall. the vaccine is a relief for many but not everyone is rushing to or lining up to get a shot. a lot of concerns and one of the states hitting hardest by the virus. we'll take a look at what is fuelling those concerns, coming up. - [announcer] your typical vacuum has bristles

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and more on what is fuelling distrust. >> reporter: in alabama, the term city is a small town. population about 800. >> we have a small community. small enough to know everybody and everybody's cat. >> reporter: small enough to know that when it comes to trursing a covid-19 vaccine, many feel the way she does. >> i would love to take the vaccine. >> reporter: you are reluctant? >> i am reluctant. >> reporter: most of them are african-american. the distrust in the medical community running deep. in the 1930, government doctors conducted expeernlgts on black men leaving them untreated for syphilis so that doctors could

see how it affected them. and the coronavirus, 29%. in the county where they sate, want rate is 37%. still, older residents such as joe cunningham, and discussions are off the table. >> imwas afraid to take the test. i would like to know where it's coming from. >> i have to convince my father. black people, all we know is to trust the lord and trust god. we have to convince our family this is the right thing to do. this will help us survive. >> reporter: distrust in communities of colors is not just a small town problem. it's nationwide. a study explored the issue in black and latino commune tips found that 14% of black people and 34% of latinos trust a

vaccine will be safe. >> it's like a fear. i have a phobia of needles. i almost have a fear of doctors. >> reporter: she says she avoided medical help because she feels she ha been poorly treated by doctors in the past and now he has affects with her heart, lungs and kidneys. >> some days i can barely walk. i don't know what to do. what she will cannot is take a vaccine. >> we don't know the side effects from them. so i just really feel at this point, it's people that is going to take the vaccine are guiney pigs? >> do. i feel like we don't know enough. >> reporter: they know the health community has a number of hurdles to overcome.

>> when you look at trust, do i trust the science because they are telling me this is going to help me. but i lived experience that says that this may not be so because i have been deprived of other things. >> reporter: they come from a place of experience professionally and personally. both lived and worked in does key g tuskegee for a time. >> we thought it was important to make a make a contribution and to represent the community that we are part of in a way that says you can do this. you can take this vaccine. >> reporter: was there any hesitation at all? >> i had no hesitation. i see what happens when people of color are not included in studies, and that is the down side of things. >> reporter: back in hobson city, the mayor says she has had a change of heart and it had little to do with science.

>> i came in across a young man who picked out a grave for his 59-year-old wife who died of covid-19 last wednesday. and if anything makes me change my mind, that will change my mind. his wife's grave will be over there. 59 years old. >> reporter: he changed your mind. >> he changed my mind. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, hobson city, alabama. >> a lot more to come on the vaccine. the coronavirus town hall, the vaccine, on the oother side of break. enter dr. anthony fauci to answer, and dr. gupta i will be co-hosting with.

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welcome, i'm anderson keerp. >> and i'm dr. sanjay gupta. this is our 23rd cnn town hall. and this one is a hopeful one. the vaccines. vien on cnn international and streamed on cnn.com. the two vaccines by pfizer and moderna. it will take a massive effort to deliver it to