story on friday about distrust -- in hobson city alabama where a third of those tested there have tested positive for the virus. yet many including the mayor told cnn they didn't trust the vaccine. >> i'm reluctant to take the vaccine. >> wait. you, yourself, are reluctant to take it? >> i am reluctant. >> today we received this letter from mayor mccrory. the segment did not erase all the fears the african-american has of the medical community, but it has opened the door to begin having some much needed conversations about african-americans and health care that's long overdue. we hope these conversations will lead to saving lives not only due to covid-19 but saving lives in the future. i want to thank the mayor, and we hope so as well. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." at the end of the day, brother, it comes down to a simple proposition. we got to care about one another. we got to care about each other enough to give the right information, to remove the fear.

families like you were just talking to, that young man with his huge burden now with the loss of his sister. her family left behind. her kid left behind. do we care? do people care? and if we do, where is the proof of that? i mean these are truly dark days, and it is supposed to be the time of year that we look for the best in one another. >> yeah. >> got a long way to go, brother, but that story helps for people to see the pain, see that it's real. thank you, anderson. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." you know, today is a big day. pearl harbor. december 7th, 1941. the day that will live in infamy. if only it were the last day that would do such. america finds herself on this day failing to fight off the pandemic. we're just failing. everything keeps going worse because that's what happens when you don't fight back. we have a record for hospitalizations. more than 102,000 of us are in

the hospital, and that is bad news of. you do not want to be in the hospital because of coronavirus. even in this country where we are amazing at having people survive, the odds are against you. and, you know, look, pearl harbor stands alone as what it means in our history. but that was so pernicious because it was a sneak attack. that's not what we're dealing with now. our eyes have been wide open for months. covid's been here almost a year. the infamy here is that trump and co. have all but ignored its advance after the initial battles. the proof of their perfidy -- i don't say this because it's alliterative. perfidy is the right word. it means deceitfulness. they deceived. unworthy because they broke the trust that they would be straight with us, and they put the common good before their own.

that's their job. but they didn't put the common good before their own. the proof? the shortcomings continue. testing -- i don't have to tell you, it's too hard to find still. it's too slow when accurate still. it's too often too inaccurate when not too slow. the rapid test, what school will take the rapid test? they may give you a rapid test, you know, to keep things with a little bit of comfort. but if you want to go back to school, they're not going to take a rapid test. what does that mean? not only do we not have enough testing, we're not testing smartly enough still, especially in our schools. we're doing it in a way of reeks of not the best idea in our schools still. why? because we have all but surrendered to the sameness on the federal level. just leave things as they are. that's why weeks, months have passed with those in power fully

aware that people all over this country, brown, white, rich, not so much anymore, urban, subur n suburban, exurban, rural, any way you want to slice this up -- hungry, falling into poverty like never before since the great depression. think about that. and what have they done? they have watched most of all. what is behind the holdup on relief, really? we're going to get after that tonight, the details about why it isn't happening. but we already know the main problem, right? the gop is just a bunch of retrumplicans. they are waiting on the will not of you, not of the constituents. one man, including sadly dusty johnson of south dakota. i gave him full invitation tonight. come on with his democrat brother. they're working together trying to get things to a better place.

just the mention that i would have to address the fact that joe biden won the election, and when is his party going to stop resisting that, and he bailed out. what does that tell you? what does that tell you? that he'd rather not come on and make the case for bringing relief in a bipartisan way to people who are starving. i'd rather not do that than speak against trump. you're not speaking against trump, dusty. you'd be telling the truth. you have seen no proof that warrants any change in how this election came out, and you know it. and i'm not going to let you hide. i let people sometimes decide not to come on the show. i believe it serves some greater good. i'll get them another time. i don't want to cause more trouble than it's worth. not this time. he is not your boss. he did not put you in office. do your job. do your job. trump has made it clear he's not going to do his own job, and it's not about me suggesting it. it's his own mouth.

listen. >> i thought we were going to easily win and that maybe for the first time in a long time, i'd go take a nice little vacation for about two days, and then we go back. and instead i probably worked harder in the last three weeks than i've ever worked in my life. >> he's worked harder in the last three weeks than he's ever worked in his life. what's he been doing? ignoring the damn pandemic. not pushing a deal in any real way for relief, and you know it. what has he been doing? he's been focused on overturning the election despite numerous reports that even he knows there is no proof behind his poisonous talk. just think about it. that's what he says he's been focusing on, and it's the hardest he's ever worked. what else do you need to know that you were never his priority? look at what he's doing right now in the middle of a pandemic. would you be doing this? people are waiting hours for

food. the pandemic is at its worst. has he ever golfed more than he has lately? but, look, i don't focus on him the same way anymore. why? he's the past. the future threat are the retrumplicans. they remain in power, and they refuse to do anything but his bidding. it's like voldemort. don't say his name. why? because they're afraid of that base. so even though he lost, they still have to think of him first? proof of my concept. 249 gopers in the house and senate, okay? guess how many of them have acknowledged biden won the race. 26 or 27 of 249. "the washington post" just reached out to all 249, came back with two dozen of more than 200 willing to acknowledge the obvious. and by the way, it's not like they say no, comma, because,

dot, dot, dot. there is no because. they have no proof. 34 days since the election. more than 40 court cases later with judges saying, you've shown into proof of fraud. don't come back. with prejudice they've said it. conservative, liberal judges alike. georgia just certified its results again, reaffirming biden's victory. third time. federal court in michigan today threw out the latest trump lawsuit. multiple sources tell cnn the trump legal effort may be coming to an end. why? he can't get help. rudy catching the rona didn't help. wish mr. giuliani a quick recovery. i hope he's in the hospital just so he can get the best kind of care to get him out and better as soon as possible. we know he's at georgetown hospital. i don't want to see him there. i don't want this for his family. i don't want this for anybody. but, you know, look, it's not a

coincidence that this guy like the rest of the trumpers openly disregard the risks. he's often seen with no mask on. the right's not going to talk about that. no, they only go after people trying to tell you the right message, not the wrong message. overturn the election tour, he's been showing up all over the place like this. who knows how many other people got infected after he knew he was exposed to his son, andrew, who i hope is well. i do not wish this on anybody, okay? the arizona legislature had to shut down after rudy exposed lawmakers there. it's a contract tracing nightmare. you need a metaphor for the moment with trump. 40 people in his direct orbit have caught covid, including him. these are just some of them. the president keeps holding superspreader events, rallies, indoor christmas parties, and these people around him who i call the retrumplicans, they haven't said a damn thing. the white house is a case

cluster. trump is basically a superspreader of the virus he was supposed to help stop. do you remember the listed goals he came out to show you this? end of march. with mitigation, only 150 to 200,000 deaths were predicted. we're already way past it. 283,000 dead. not that he cares, not that anybody cares. the numbers are like noise now, right? nobody knows them the way we used to. did you know that covid is now the leading cause of death in this country? you know the people who say to you, oh, are you going to shut down the whole country because of heart disease or diabetes, all these other bad things that are way worse? covid beats them all out this year. >> we're all victims. everybody here, all these thousands of people here tonight, they're all victims. every one of you. >> all victims. remember that.

remember it. what is he a victim of? what has he been spending his time trying to do these last three weeks? you know what he did? he's trying to get help. he's not offering help. he's trying to get it for himself. "the washington post" says he has twice contacted the head of the pennsylvania legislature to enlist their help in defying the will of the voters there. to think the gop was once the party of huewing to the constitution. they now sit silent as the president ignores the duty to execute the laws. is that what he's doing? does this look like faithful execution to you? brazenly trying to steal an election. but in trump world, they're all victims. you just heard him say "you're all victims." of what? they're all victims of him and of their surrender of code to self-preservation. that's what they are victims of, and that's why he was voted out.

the problem is he ain't gone, and there's a lot of damage he's trying to do before he exits, and we have to focus on the damage these retrumplican minions will attempt after that. and it raises a question for us to start on tonight. what kind of chance does biden have of making things any better? let's bring in dana bash and paul begala. good to have you both. paul, you've been to this circus before. you didn't come in like this. nobody's ever come in, in this kind of situation, you know. we didn't even have any history of wars to compare it to where some new group came in. what does this look like for biden when he actually takes over and you know you've got a gop that is on trump-pleasing mode? >> that's a great point, chris. in fact, dr. fauci and other experts are telling us that by the time we get to president-elect biden's inauguration day, january 20th,

the death toll which now is around 1,000, some days 2,000, could be significantly higher. so he's going to have to hit the ground running, and yet this president has gummed up the transition in every way he can. there's reporting in "the new york times" tonight that the trump administration was offered a chance by pfizer to buy extra doses of their vaccine, and they passed on it. so we may not -- >> they say they never passed on it by the way. >> i'm glad to get the facts out there. i just read it right before we came on the air. but it is remarkable, and president biden, once he takes that oath, is going to have to turn to the republicans as well as the democrats on capitol hill and say, good god, people are dying. this -- this relief package that you talked about, chris, state and local aid is going away, unemployment aid is going away, small business assistance is going away, student loan assistance is going away. all of it is more needed now

than ever. the republicans are politickibl? >> why? >> there's no excuse to let people's businesses and even their lives go under when you're sitting there drawing a government paycheck in the united states senate. >> they say it's too much money, and let's do less now. bridge the situation, and we'll do more later. the democrats are trying to ask for a new deal right now. like you want everything in one deal. just take what we need to get through this period. we'll do more later. >> when there was no crisis and corporate profits were at a record high, the republicans and mr. trump cut corporate taxes by $2.3 trillion, and there was no crisis. no one was dying because corporate taxes were too high. nobody's business was going under. in fact, corporate profits were at a record high. so this is not republicans worried about the deficit. this is republicans turning a blind eye to suffering and their own people suffering.

they're suffering in kentucky as bad as they're suffering anywhere. >> that's absolutely true. we're going to do more of this tonight. but i want to get dana in here because i want to talk about the political realities. you heard me up top. dusty johnson, good man. had him on the show before. believe he takes his constituents seriously. i had him and dean phillips coming on tonight. dean phillips, democrat, minnesota. dusty johnson, dakota republican. come on, make your case. how are you going to make relief happen? what's holding it up? let's get into the granular. i bring up that we're going to have to talk about the fact that your party seems a little locked in place about denying the outcome of the election. bails out. bails out, dana. >> i'm not surprised. >> would rather not talk relief than talk relief if he has to say something about trump. why aren't we surprised? >> because they are scared of their own shadows when it comes to this issue, and it is -- you know, it wasn't even one thing,

you know, the saturday after the election when the networks called it. it wasn't even one thing a week after that. but here we are a month after the election with state after state, swing states including georgia today certifying again the election for joe biden. and yet they understand what they saw from the president in georgia over the weekend, which is a cascade of lies. but a cascade of lies that his constituents are believing and his constituents, as we discussed so many times, are their constituents. >> is that a dog or a cadkid? >> it's my puppy. you know about dogs. if it was a kid, i waouldn't be talking to you. >> finish your point. >> that's the reality. let's see what happens a week from tomorrow because so many republicans privately and publicly have said to me, as i'm

sure to you, that let's wait to see after the electoral college makes this official. that's going to be in a week, and let's see if they live up to that or if there's going to be another kind of ghost, you know, phantom deadline that they're going to put out there because they don't have a choice because the president won't give it up. >> thank you very much. appreciate you. be well. >> thank you. >> all right. so how do we figure out who to be mad at and about what when it comes to washington? we know it's outrageous. we know it's unacceptable, right? so we've got to get some clarity on what these lines actually are. i'm not going to stop saying this. we were supposed to have two members of congress, one from each side of the aisle who were going to try to make a case about how to do this. the republican pulled out as soon as you got to deal with the reality of this election came up as something we might discuss. what does that tell you? but the quest for answers must go on although i'll tell you, it's a big piece to this damn puzzle.

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this is the richest nation on the planet. one in six or seven of us is worried about their next meal. think about that. one in six or seven of us? oh, but the stock market. listen, you can't eat stocks, all right? that is a discrete set of people and a discrete reality. americans of all stripes are living the kind of suffering we thought was relegated to the black and white images of history. basic freedoms, freedom from want, freedom from fear -- what happened to those? how can we just let people not have enough food all over this country, to lose their homes, lose their jobs, thanksgiving, christmas, i'm so thankful. christmas, i believe, i believe in better days. i believe in the optimism of a theology that teaches me to love mercy. but what are we doing? we will keep telling you the

numbers. why? because nobody does anything about them, and they keep getting worse. 54 million without food. nothing happens. look at the faces. look at the faces. these are the people who are forced to wait hours for the charity of neighbors in most cases. it's not some inner city soup kitchen. why do i say that? to stigmatize? no. to relieve the notion that is an other. it's not an other. it's part of us. it's the people you know. it could be you. the number of people starving in the rural communities that grow our food is almost twice that of cities. it's everybody, and the "why" matters. you know why? people are running out of work and running out of time. more than 20 million of us needed help from the government, and even that may be off. why? the government systems that track unemployment have become overwhelmed due to, quote,

backlogs in processing and historic volume of claims. we literally broke the system with need. they have been watching their checks shrink as time drags on, and they know our leaders are aware. and even what they have may be gone in a matter of weeks. we don't know that something's going to replace it. this was never about safety versus the economy. states that reopened too early and those that maintained tighter restrictions, take a look. look at the ten states, highest unemployment. it doesn't matter if they're red or blue. most small businesses that closed, how are they ever going to come back? where are they going to get the capital? too many listened and wanted to believe that we were rounding the corner. i told you then, and you know it now, trump lied. this will be over by april. trump lied. magically vanish during the summer. disappear after the election. they won't even talk about it.

they all lied to you because they thought it would work for them. and it is worse than ever, especially since november, and so is trump. but i got to tell you the real onus is no longer on that guy. he's never been in the driver's seat. it's congress. you, you step up whenever we ask. i tell you these people need help, there's a page, you can go, you can do it. you do it. you do it amazingly. you max people out. you go to the charity. you reach out. you send us stories. i don't have much, but i'll give what i can. where is that in our leadership? where is that in the people that we put there to do what we can't do? they knew the help was expiring. they watched key dates come and go just like the rent check. this is a reality too real for too many, especially with kids. the question is not going to be what does santa bring?

will they be in a home for him to visit? you call congress to the carpet, one side pulls the rug out from the other side. this delay is on both. however, the blame can't be equal. that offends the facts. mcconnell has the most shame in his game, period. he sat on this situation, and he knows it, and he did it for political reasons. 200,000 dead, not enough. 26 million going hungry in september, not enough to do something. he called any deal to provide relief a, quote, waste of time without a blessing from the lame duck in the white house. >> i think the place to start is are we actually making a law, or are we just making a point? and i think the way you make a law for sure is you know you've got a presidential signature. >> by the way, he discounted the deal that the white house put out. why? why would he undercut the white

house he said he was waiting on? retrumplicans. retrumplicans. how do we get a deal done that goes back to putting the people before the whims of the donald? especially when people like congressman dusty johnson -- i am not trying to beat down dusty johnson, okay? i've had him on the show. i know what he does. he has respect for doing the job. but why would you back out tonight just because i said we have to talk about the fact that your party, only a couple dozen of you have said that biden won? that's enough to have you abandon a discussion about relief? let's deal with what can be done in this environment. congressman dean phillips, democrat from minnesota, part of a group pushing a bipartisan relief bill, respected. congressman, thank you for coming on "prime time." >> good to be with you, chris. >> again, i know you talked to dusty. the offer stands, okay? but you can't ignore what you guys are up against in the

democratic party and what frankly a lot of still republicans are up against. if they will leave rather than have to discuss the fact that biden won the election, how do you expect to get a deal? >> chris, that's why -- actually, that's why dusty and i are both here, and i've listened to you tonight, and i want to start by letting you know and everybody watching know that there are people here in a place filled with actors and so little action, there are a group of us, democrats and republicans -- dusty is among them -- that sit down together once a week in a place that has institutionalized separation, and we make it our intention to get together, get to know each other, trust one another, and try to rise to the occasion in times just like these. yeah, i'm really frustrated with my party, and i'm really frustrated with the other party. and i'm really frustrated with the white house. and that's a perception that's shared by very many. the problem solvers caucus came out with a plan as you know, chris. first of all, the house voted on

two bills since the c.a.r.e.s. act. hoers one and h.e.r.o.e.s. two. dusty and i co-led that effort. we came up with a plan that was celebrated by rank and file house members, rank and file senators. even the white house liked it. of course it went nowhere. >> why? >> then nothing happened before the election. well, you know this place just as well as i do, chris. look, i was watching the election in 2016. i had a comfortable life. i owned a business, was very happy in minneapolis. i watched my daughters' reaction that night in 2016, and i woke up the next morning. i sat at the breakfast table, and i promised them i would do something. and a lot of us who won the elections in 2018 had the same reaction that night. we're here for the same reason, because we're sick of it. and i can tell you, you know as well as i do, the 12 million people who are going to lose their unemployment after the holidays, after christmas, do you think they really care about what donald trump is saying today? do you think the people whose small business is closing

tomorrow because they can't make ends meet, can't pay the rent, do you think they really care about the stuff that so many are talking about on twitter? no. they care about help. to your point, that's what we are supposed to do. i am sick of the inactivity. i don't know how long my career will be here, but darn it, i'm going to fall on the sword and do my very best to get some help to people who deserve it, who need it because that is what this country is about. >> what's the best answer of why the extraordinary need that has been taking place for months wasn't enough to move the needle? >> chris, i might be on my deathbed someday and still be trying to understand why. this place does not function the way most americans would expect it to, the way that they deserve -- america deserves its congress to work. >> i hear you about that as a culture, but let's get to more the granular thing. i don't understand what the argument is for no more checks to people. is it because they believe there's enough money in the support programs that will catch that need? is it just about the price tag?

i mean why no more checks for people when you know that they need it not just because they're in poverty but they're that paycheck away from being in poverty? >> well, i think you'll have to ask leader mcconnell that specific question. but let me tell you this, chris, there's actually more bipartisan support for stimulus checks because we know consumption is the engine of the economy and money in people's pockets is the fuel. that is something that unifies democrats and republicans. that's why stimulus checks were in the first bill. the president actually supports stimulus checks, perhaps because his name was on them of course. i don't know if this bill that we're working on right now, this bipartisan, bicameral bill will include them. of course the senate's going to play a big role in determining if that's the case. but would i like to personally see them? of course. that's what people deserve because actually it will cost us less if we do that now than it will later. >> right. >> and most of all, it's compassionate, and if we don't do it, chris, geez, i just don't

understand why we're unwilling, to your point, to help people in the worst crisis i've known in my lifetime, and i'm sure yours. >> well, look, joe manchin says he can't get the stimulus payments to families done, that it's a non-starter for people on the right. look, i would have loved to have talked to dusty about it. i believe you that he meets. i believe that he wants better. i've never heard any bad stink on him, but he made the decision not to come on tonight. it's not like we had an argument or something. i never even spoke to him. but how can i have a republican on the show and not even ask, by the way, are you one of these guys that don't think biden won? if there's that level of resistance, dean -- i know you're coming from the private sector. but if you have that built-in kind of animus, they're not going to do anything with you because they don't want to give a win to a side that is seen as the enemy these days. >> chris, that's -- >> go ahead. >> it is the culture, but that's what makes our little group unique, the problem solvers caucus. 50 of us, 25 democrats, 25

republicans. you know, dusty johnson doesn't have to sit at the problem solvers caucus table. it's probably more politically rewarding for him not to, but he chooses to. >> he didn't have to bail tonight. he could have come here and said, look, the election's over. the guy won. let's worry about the people who are starving, i thought you cared about them, and the conversation goes on. >> chris, let me just say, though, dusty is my friend. he's my partner in this effort. if this bill gets done ultimately, dusty johnson will have played a significant role in making it happen. by the way, dusty is one of that very handful in the house, the republicans that have actually said that the election transition should start happening. and by the way, most of them are on the problem solvers caucus. anthony gonzalez, tom reid, fred upton, brian fitzpatrick. denver riggleman, not on the problem solvers caucus, but another one. adam kinzinger of course. there are some, most of them on the problem solvers caucus. we are the people here for the reason to help people. >> i have no problem with -- >> you could have asked 100

other members of congress to come on tonight to throw stones at one another. i would argue today, tonight, tomorrow, until we get this done, we got to focus on one thing, and it's the good in people and finding some darn way for rank and file members that have a lot of darn power in their hands if we're willing to exercise and stick together at some political costs, mind you, this is the time. that's why we're here. it's time to get it done. >> i'm with you. i'm with you 100%. you are welcome here. the whole phalanx of the problem solvers have always been welcome on the show. the invitation is there. but when you bail because you don't even want to address something that may offend trump when he's not even going to be president anymore, it speaks to a problem that is going to stop progress. congressman dean phillips -- >> let me say something, chris. >> you're welcome here. >> can i say one more thing? >> please, sir. >> i tell you, a lot of my colleagues, you know, i heard dana bash say earlier that privately and publicly many republicans are saying that december 14th is the date. by the way, it is. that's when all bets are off. that's when the electoral

college will actually affirm the election. >> that's right. >> in the meantime, i have to share some human truth. there are a lot of my colleagues, decent people who are getting death threats, whose families are being attacked both online and offline. we've all seen -- you've seen, i've seen what happens when anybody says even a remotely negative word about president donald trump. >> i know. >> and i'm afraid that the people who have had the courage to speak some truth, perhaps step out of line a little bit in the spirit of truth, what they are receiving because of this president -- let's actually put the burden on the person who really deserves it right now. it is this president. by the way, and i would say dangerous at best, treasonous at worst what he's doing. but for those who are receiving death threats to their family because they're speaking truth, i have to have a little bit of understanding about what's happening right now. >> listen, i get it. >> december 14 the, all bets are off. >> i get it. i get it. believe me, more than you know.

i understand what the price is for standing up to power at this point in time. but you got to be on the right side of history. and if you're going to go down, you should go down fighting for what matters. congressman, you are welcome here to make the case. this isn't going to end today or tomorrow. i will extend an invitation and you have an open one to come back and say, hey, here's what they won't do. here's what's wrong. here's what right. you are welcome. so is dusty johnson. okay? >> and we'll be back. i'm sure we will. >> i hope so. good luck. get the job done. we'll be right back. >> thanks, chris. to help you rt liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual! what does it do bud? it customizes our home insurance so we only pay for what we need! and what did you get, mike? i got a bike. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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you remember rebekah jones, data scientist fired by the flor department in may after questioning accessibility and transparency with covid-19 data. well, today her home was raided as part of a cyber crime

investigation. video of the raid here, you can see officers coming in, guns drawn. >> come outside. outside. >> who else is in the house, ma'am? >> my two children and my husband. >> call them down. >> you want the children down? >> call them all down. >> mr. jones, come down the stairs now! >> police! come down now. >> search warrant. >> come down the stairs. >> he just pointed a gun at my children! >> so the question is why? rebekah jones joins us now for an exclusive interview. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, chris. >> why do you think this happened? >> after speaking to my attorneys and looking over the evidence they said they have, i actually think that they're not after me. they didn't take the router in my house. they didn't take a number of lab

props in my house that belonged to my son or my husband that could have easily done whatever it is they think happened. they took my phone, and they took the computer that i use to run my companies. and on my phone is every communication i've ever had with someone who works at the state who has come to me in confidence and told me things that could get them fired or in trouble like this. and i just want to say to all those people right now, if he doesn't know already, desantis will know soon enough that you've been talking to me. so be careful. >> they say -- you know. you've seen this. but for the audience, they say that they believe that an ip address belonging to you was used to access an emergency system within the state, that you weren't supposed to have access to anymore once you weren't working there, where you put out a message telling people to speak up, speak out about covid, speak out about the deaths. did you send that text on that system? >> no. i haven't had access to any systems at doh for over six

months. i'm not a hacker. as the governor pointed out many months ago, i'm not that tech savvy and have no interest in reaching out to doh. i've been publicly telling people to come forward for months. that is the way that you do it. and i, better than anybody, know that people at doh aren't going to. if they didn't come out before when i warned everybody that desantis would and eventually he did get people killed, they're not going to come out now. >> what do you make of their saying that they have the ip address and that it's yours? >> well, that ip address was apparently provided by the department of health i.g. office, inspector general, and didn't actually come from an investigation -- >> doh. >> i don't know how big a deal it is to send that text and why they're motivated this way. but you do know that saying you didn't send it, if they prove that you did, you're going to have much bigger problems than otherwise. >> yeah.

i'm -- i'm not too worried about that. >> you stand by the answer you did not send that text? you did not send any message of any kind to any group on any system that you weren't supposed to? >> the only direct communication i've ever sent to doh was through a public outfp-ed in "t miami herald" and that was many months ago. >> you know why i'm asking you. it's not about an accusation. i want to give you fair hearing to answer what they're going to put out and have put out about why they came to your house that way. and i heard you freaking out about your kids being in there. i understand why you'd be worried about it. they're saying it's a cyber crime. you're saying there's nothing to their allegation? >> no. and this is just a very thinly veiled attempt of the governor to intimidate scientists and get back at me while trying to get to my sources as he's been firing doh staff left and right, including their director of communications who was fired about that time. >> do you know the communication that they're talking about? did you hear about it?

do you have any sense of who might have sent it? >> i didn't even see it until today, and i'd also like to note that a lot of language that was used in it is not the way i talk. and the number of deaths that the person used wasn't even right. they were off -- they were actually under by about 430 deaths. i would never round down 430 deaths. those are 430 people would have died in this state. i take that number and every number i publish very seriously. >> so, listen, i don't want to draw this out too much. i know you got lawyers. i know that, you know, they're always going to be worried about people coming on television when you have a case pending. but i wanted to give you an opportunity to respond to the allegations in real time as they're going out there. >> yes. >> and i'm sure that this was a hard day for your family, especially if there's nothing behind the allegations. last word to you. >> desantis needs to worry less about what i'm writing about and more about the people who are sick and dying in his state. and doing this to me will not stop me from reporting the data,

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so, what can trump really do? all right. there is one avenue of relief that trump could use, that could make a difference. okay? now, i know that this is a preposterous level of pushback because he's had no proof, in all of these different courts. he now is saying, i think the case has been made. what case? the case has been made against him is what has been made. but, the reason that there is a little bit of oxygen, here, is because you have 40-plus senators, who stay stuff, like this. >> president trump has every right to use every legal recourse. we've seen time, and again, that we have investigations that need to be completed. it's very clear that there were issues in this election.

>> it's clear that there are issues in the election. she doesn't know what's clear. she didn't have any proof. silence is complicity. what you ignore, you empower. that's what my next guest is fighting against because there is an avenue of relief for the president, that has been, yet, to be pursued because of timing. lawrence lesig, founder of equal citizens, as well as teaching law at harvard. you have seen him on the show, before. welcome back, professor. >> great to be here, chris, thanks for having me. >> so, the avenue is that the president could ask states, and the "washington post" is reporting, tonight, that trump reached out to the head of the pennsylvania state legislature, twice, for help in changing the electors and in terms of what they could do when they meet december 14. what is your take? >> right. well, so, what the president's

team, since the summer, has been planning is that state legislatures exercise a power they think the constitution gives them to select an alternative slate of electors. one that's not connected to the election, necessarily. it's just the state's legislature, according to this theory can at, quote, any time, pick a new slate. and so, what the president's actually doing is trying to get the legislature to exercise the supposed power that they have to ignore the vote of the people, and just pick a new slate. rather, than faithless electors. and their theory is if they can get an alternative slate to vote next week, then going into january 6th, they can play games with mike pence who is chairing the joint session, and try to get that slate counted, instead. >> now, here's the scary part of this theory, that you could just throw out as that's not going to happen. these legislatures aren't going to risk that.

there are a lot of states, after 2016, when you had a couple of faithless electors that wrote into their constitution or legislation that, no, if you're picked as an elector, you've got to go the way that the vote went. otherwise, we're going to replace you with somebody who did. georgia and pennsylvania did not write that into their state laws. so, what is the possibility here? >> yeah. well, so, i took that case to the supreme court where the supreme court finally ruled, clearly, that the states have this power. but the faithless-elector path is not a path they can win because the electors in georgia and in pennsylvania are democrats. and those individual electors are certainly not going to change their vote for donald trump. the path that they're talking about is a whole, new slate of electors. and this whole new slate, because of some sloppy language in the supreme court's decision in bush v. gore, they think they can, quote, pick at, quote, any time. and so, if they pick this new slate, and then when mike pence

opens the electors' slate certificates from georgia or michigan and see that there are two slates. then, congress has to decide which slate it will count. and if it follows the law, it should clearly count joe biden's slate. but, the problem is this is congress, it's not the supreme court. so, it's not clear what congress does, especially if we don't have a clear majority in the senate who are willing to uphold the right of the people to actually choose their president. >> what do you think happens? >> well, i think that if -- what should happen between now and next week is that we should get republican senators to stand up and say -- i mean, you are a perfect venue for this -- that they will not recognize the vote of any slate of electors that was picked against the popular vote, legitimate popular vote of people in that state. >> professor, i can't get a republican to come on this show and tell me what flavor ice cream he or she likes, unless trump says he likes it, first.

but, do you think these states would really do this, professor? i mean, what it comes down to is whether you can get enough juice. you know, kemp, in georgia, has not talked the talk of someone who wants to do this. do you think there is a chance in pennsylvania, they would? >> my view is there isn't because i've been surprised and really happy with resistance, that you are seeing at the state level. i mean, especially, in georgia, you are seeing very strong trump supporters who are willing to stand up for the rule of law and for democracy. but, you know, we wouldn't hear about it, now. the point where we'll know is one week from now because it must be that this alternative slate gathers and votes. cast their vote on december 14th. and only, if we have these alternative slates voting on december 14th, do we have anything to worry about. if they don't gather, if we don't have these alternative slates, then this game is certainly completely over. >> and thus, the feeling that it never ends.

we'll keep watching. larry lesig, professor, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with sweet potato fries. eating a falafel wrap (doorbell rings) thanks! splitsies? ♪ oooh...you meant the food, didn't you?

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10:00 on the dot, it's no longer my spot. "cnn tonight" with the big star, d lemon, starts new. >> i don't know what you are he talking about. it's not 10:00. it's 4:00. it's your show. >> you're playing with truthiness. >> no, what are you talking about? i say it's 4:00 in the afternoon, right now, and it's not my show. this is anderson's show. >> i get what you are playing at, my brother. >> i know. where's the lie? >> i'll tell you where the lie is. the lie is that it stops with trump. what i was just talking to the professor about. you know me. i don't get into some deep, academic discussion. it's all about the practicalities, and we have a heard this theory before. that, they believe that they can convince