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>> i'll go for that. >> actually, you are getting a reverse start. most parents, you get grey hair because of your kids. you went into it with it. thanks, tonight as always, everyone, welcome to "prime time." the big news, 9-0. . scotus kicked the election fraud in pennsylvania to the curb. not one justice on the high court, including the three nominated by trump could justify reviewing the errant trumpery before them. no conservative could offer even a word in support. not even newly-picked and prized justice amy coney barrett. the order was one sentence that ended with denied. i guess justice barrett wasn't swayed by the bizarreo tweet trump put out about a doctored photo of her straight out of

poltergeist or by this. >> let's see whether or not somebody has the courage whether it's a legislator or a legislatures, or whether it's a justice of the supreme court or a number of justices of the supreme court, let's see if they have the courage to do what everybody in this country knows is right. >> everybody, he means him. we now know the highest court in the land. with a contvtive majority does not see it the way trump does. other judges. all across this country. conservative and liberal don't see it that way. the republicans in charge in relevant states don't see it that way only him the gang that couldn't sue straight as jake trapper and the trumplicans in congress once again were defined by their silence in the face of this decision. you heard nothing from them saying enough. so much for law and order, right? and to paraphrase man toya from

the princess bride, courage. you keep on using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means. mr. trump, courage is in rare supply around you because no one seems to do what is courageous, to stand up even when being attacked. he means cowardice. i wants to motivate judges and others to do the wrong thing by the way, it's not a crazy notion. it has worked for him. 88% of republicans in congress still will not admit who won this election. 88%. just hours ago, the head of the senate mitch mcconnell puntd on calling him president-elect again despite the fact his home state of kentucky and tomorrow any state of those republicans represent they all will have

certified their vote 49 did so today west virginia tomorrow that will mean the race is over and if the electors vote next week, biden will be the winner if inaugurated? why am i saying that? i have half a trust to trust congress to do anything they should. they've shown zero spine. zero. now the law requires the electors to be submitted by the states as a part of the election process, which means, as of today, safe harbor day, we should know if the st. wanted to play at anything that trump is suggesti suggesting. however, even under the law there is a loophole, congress can count their way before they meet next week and it is hard to see the republicans, the

trumplicans standing up to trump. but that's okay. because america has stood up to trump. 81 million of you outright and the institutions that back them up. name will i the courts. all over this country. even the doj, even bill bar said, no, this isn't about fraud. i will keep arguing that the danger reface does not exit with trump. the retrumplicans who feared his return and covered his base are all in on the amnesty he harnessed. listen to the chairman of the senate committee handling those flames. >> there is a civil war brewing in georgia. for in good reason. it's not unreasonable to ask the legislature to come back in and order an audit of the signatures in the presidential race to see if the system worked. what is unreasonable is to sit on your ass and do nothing when i got the chance to save the

count country. >> no you don't mean save the country. you mean save your ass. georgia certified that vote three times over. civil war, seriously, senator? do your words still come from your brain or says e reservoir or bile? by the way, they have plenty of company. did you see the tweets from arizona's republican party? it's calling on americans to die for trump. literally inciting violence on its official twitter account with a scene from rambo, where stallone shoots seemingly to shoot another character with an arrow. this is what we do, who we are. live for nothing or die for something. it was stupid in the movie. it is absurd and embarrassing as part of political dialogue. and you know what it sounds like? exactly what joe mccarthy was pushing against the boogieman of communism. we have been here before.

then it was called the red scare. mccarthy would have been a trumper i argue, he's a diluted demagogue who justified lives. this talk of xenophobia, fear of others outside the countries. the cold war in the '50s, the reds, they were infiltrating us. infiltrating our institutions. his enemies within the speech sparked nationwide hysteria corn pier conspiracies. trumpers have taken it a step further now. now it is the enemy within actually comes from within. we have seen the enemy and it is us. remember that line? borrowed from the military, war of 1813, but made famous by pogo a cartoon character. he in the cartoon was about identifying the source and literary in nature. now it's everything that holds it together. not just the forests how do we stop it?

the mccarthy hearings. people are growing tired of the act, tired of being scared for no good reason. mccarthy went too far. he questioned loyalty in the u.s. army. that's when someone with true courage stepped in, army council joseph welsh in 1954. >> you have done enough. have you no sense of decency, sir at long last have you left no sense of decency? >> it worked. it's what people were feeling and thinking and they praised that moment, republicans went bad on mccarthy, censored him. that was then. now trump has the whole party in a place far scarier that mccarthy musterred. what will take them from their

frie theirztheirz treer frenzy? make the restoration of decency? that's what we need, right, it's not about left or right. it's about reasonable. being reasonable is about listening, being opened. maybe that will come in the act of faith by one man. the man at the top. that's what joe biden president-elect of the united states is banking on. today he announced his plan for the first 100 days and showed the optimism, the decency that we need right now. >> my first 100 days will end the covid-19 virus. but i'm absolutely convinced that in 100 days we can change the course of the disease and change life in america for the better. we didn't get into this mess quickly. it will take time to fix. but we can do this. >> is his plan enough? or his first three big things that we'll discuss tonight with experts to stop covid?

are they enough? i don't know. they weren't scrutiny. the bigger question is whether or not he will be enough. what will be enough to shake these trumplicans free. will the scotus of the nonsense of trump about the election be enough? let's consult with better minds. david gregory is here and michael spirk conish omirkonish new documentary. things i wish i knew before i started talking. it's good to see you both. michael, let's go macro. what changes the state of play? first do you accept my premise that trump being gone does not mean retrumplicannism is gone? >> absolutely. i agree with that premise. here's the big picture you are asking. the big picture question. how can they possibly still stand with him? the votes have been tabulated. joe biden has a margin of 7 million. the campaign lost 50-plus

litigation efforts. the supreme court rebuked today. how in the world in defiance of all this evidence can they stand with him? the short answer is he's good for them? this is lard to wrap your head around. but the only republican that donald trump did not drag over the finish line is himself. they picked up seats in the house. arguably maintained control of the united states senate, gained the montana gubernatorial mansion, held on to their advantage with state legislatures, so there is no merit. there is no ethic involved in any of this. it is pure partisan winning, losing, self preservation. he brings out the vote and that's why they're not prepared to walk away. >> david, is there any sense in the phalanx, we won them, smirk is right, not because of them. the fear of the left, being more reasonable, balanced. it's our policy, his bluster

that was rejected by all those people? is there any sense that could manifest itself? >> maybe eventually. are you not seeing it yet. even an unpopular president, which trump was, didn't cause that because he had such a chokehold on the base of his party. his version of the republican party and that's what he's got now. i spoke to somebody this week who is familiar with his thinking, a senior republican, who said, look this whole election fraud business has been a part of the kind of the front of the republican party for a long time. not to this extent. not this level of absurdity. it's always been there, especially in the grass roots. whether trump believes it is irrelevant. i don't think he does according to this person that i spoke to. but what's clear is just like birther-ism, claiming that our first african-american president wasn't born in the united states. it was a racist lie. that propelled trump into a

position to run for the presidency. now this idea the election was stolen from us and the democrats. that is setting up his potential run in 2024. it frees the party to cheap a chokehold over the party i don't see that changing unless he just naidz fades away. >> so how bad does it get, though, michael? when you see this thing? people say it's just twitter. i don't buy that. the state party puts out a tweet echoing the sentiment that, you know, go for rambo on this. i didn't take it as a joke. i don't think they intended it as a joke. >> yeah, i think that's vial. it's one thing to pursue every legal remedy.

i'm for that. if they think they have something they can assert in a court of law. go do it. that's what the process is there for. what you referenced with regard to arizona is the sort of thing that makes me worry somebody is going to get hurt. there are a lot of people out there not playing with a full deck who listen to this sort of thing and act on it. looked a what happened with governor whitmer in michigan. so that's really the troublesome aspect of this. >> so, david, now we look at what's the counter? the counter is biden. if they lose these seats in georgia, if the republicans win them, this is it. state of play stays just as it is right now or what? what could biden do if he doesn't have control of both houses, david, to get something done? even on the pandemic? >> you know, i think it's very difficult. i think we can spend a lot of time talking about biden's experience in the senate and a washington insider and having

relationships with mcconnell. i think republicans are playing a much shorter game that game is, look, mccarthy said it. we talked about it on this program. if you got a majority of republican who's think trump was cheated the election wasn't on the up and up. biden will have a hard time. obama faced this among republican who's wanted to block him at most every turn. and they did it and biden saw that first hand and i think he's going to face that now. i think he'll face it again. i think it's one of the reasons he is being careful on the cabinet thinking about who can get through. he may have a problem over at the department of defense with his pick. so i think on the pandemic that he's got to do. he's got an opportunity here to work with republicans because they really got legitimate light at the end of the tunnel. and i think that's different. i think the power of the presidency to bring people around to behavior is greater

than moving significant pieces of legislation. >> could the pandemic be his best leverage? at least early on, michael? >> i don't think anything is his leverage. i have to say this, chris, if mitch mcconnell having known joe biden for four decades doesn't have the decency to pick up the telephone and say, known you a long time, congratulations, you got it done, you ran several times, god speed. even if you had a qualifier and say, you know, if you are sworn in on january 20, but to not even make that call tells me that we're headed for merritt garland on steroidles. i don't think anything gets done if republicans maintain control of the senate except perhaps a continued funding of the go. very bare bones and i hope i'm wrong. >> i hope you are wrong, too. david greg write, michael smirkonish. thank you very much. i appreciate you setting the table for us tonight. >> thank you. here's something we can all agree on, right? this is killing us.

it's literally making us sick. it's literally taking away from our ability to control a pandemic. 15 million cases today. i know the numbers are noise. but this has never been worse. never been worse. it's also the day that joe biden rolled out his 100-day plan. like i said, it is opened to criticism. is it ambitious enough? does it do what we wanted to hear on covid? did it learn the lessons of what we've seen with trump or not seen? thoughts from a former cdc director next.

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covid expressions. it took is five days to reach a million cases. back in september almost a month. five days versus a month. hospitalizations, deaths are soaring. yet the president insists on lying to you about why covid is spreading. it's not that we're testing more. that's just a lie. a deadly lie. and he's lying about the election. what was supposed to be about the vaccine. joe biden is on task. he named a health team to combat the pandemic beginning with a three-point plan. in the first 100 days, biden's focus will be on widespread mask use issuing 100 million vaccine shots by mid-april and getting more kids back in school. part of that means getting teachers vaccinated as soon as possible. all right. let's bring in someone to analyze this like nobody else. former cdc director dr. tom

frieden. good to speak with you. >> good to speak to you again. >> what do you think of biden's plans a the big three points? >> i think it's definitely right in the right direction. i was encouraged to hear him level with the american people. this is not going to be quick. we didn't get into the mess quickly. we won't get out of it quickly. we are protecting people with masks, getting our kids back to school and when the vaccine becomes available, getting people vaccinated so we can begin to really end there pandemic. >> all right. i go get the vaccine part. that's about ramping up production. make sure it's there. i go es the mask part, that's messaging. back in schools seemed to leave out a huge piece for me, testing. for all the trumpery defined as the nonsense around that word, we don't have enough. you still can't get them. they take too long to get processed. the ones you get quick are not accurate enough.

they won't be accepted by employers or hospitals or by schools so why wasn't testing one of the first big three? doesn't it matter as much as anything in terms of how we keep track of this? >> testing is important. it's only important as part of an overall strategy. first off, if you got cases running rampant, you are never going to have enough tests. you have to take this with the one-two punch. first you knock it down with closures, mask wearing and macros that keep it from spreading so you get it down to manageable levels. right now in much of the u.s., it is way out of control. as it gets down to the lower levels, you can come in with a more strategic attack to stop cases from becoming clusters and clusters becoming outbreaks. you keep it at a lie boil, a low simmer until the vaccine can come in. more and more people can get vaccinated. we can reopen society. you do that and protect our kids and kids' education.

that's so important. >> one more beat on that point. the testing in schools is fundamental. one place shuts down an entire classroom, if not an entire grade or school. him saying i want more kids in school, that's great. it's all about the how. what can be done to get our schools looking at it more strategically to use your word because you got cases among people 18-to-22 is one of the highest growing populations of case load so what do we do? >> well, first off, let's get specific. if you are talking pre-k through 8, there is less spread. >> right. >> to keep kids conditions out and let them learn by distance. you look at your staff and teachers and others. if they've got underlying conditions. you may allow them to participate by distance or put them on leave. but for the other kids, you make sure that they can participate in person. because we're exacerbating terrible inequalities in

educational outcomes in our society it's about all of us moving forward and protecting our healthcare workers and future by working together and staying apart. for the high schools and universities, more complicated. but you can't operate safely. you then have a little more flexibility to participate by distance and have teleschool in those places and lose less of that educational progress we need to be having. >> we need more resources and that all speaks to oversight by the feds. let's see if they do it. you wrote a beautiful piece about it in the "wall street journal" about the vaccine hurdles. there is good news but also how you manage the vaccine will make the difference in terms of time and depth of its effectiveness, what are the high points? >> well, the big picture is vaccine is coming. the news is better than we could have hoped. the level of efficacy is

terrific. tens of thousands of people, no serious adverse events. so that's the good news, it's not here yet. so for the time being we have to double down on protective protocols. so many are here when the vaccine becomes available. congress has to provide funding for the programs keeping our economy going that will allow vaccination programs to proceed because there is a need for at least $6 billion to get the vaccine out. it would be pathetic if we got this great scientific discovery. this tragic investment of the government to get these new vaccines, this fortune that our bodies are pretty good at fighting covid and the vaccine can really protect us and we don't have the wherewithal all to get it out to people that would be tragic. it would be a crime so we really need the congress to pass the new package so that the program can go quickly and get to people

so we can recover our health and protect our economy as well. >> dr. tom frieden, thank you for the insight. appreciate you. >> thank you. all right. now. so what we need to do on covid obviously plays into the congressional relief bill, schumer, the senate leader for the democrats is accusing mcconnell, of course, the republican leader of the overall senate of negotiation sabotage. a key negotiator takes us behind the scenes. senator joe mansion says he would come back, keep us in the loop to help motivate change and he's here. a follow-up after joe mansion, remember the raid we showed you last night? the home of that covid data person? an official resigned after that happened. he is here to tell you why. an exclusive interview you don't

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to answer your question from social media, yeah, frieden did say the money we need for the vaccine to get out where it has to go is tied up in this relief bill. it is. so, if it doesn't get done, that part doesn't get done. there are three big economic sticking points within this covid relief fight. let's go through them right now. okay. money for state and local governments. that's first up. now the retrumplicans is a state bailout that liberals are using the pandemic to cover up a wasteful spending. look, revenue problems will hit harder in california and the naeft. there are few economic engines. they got hit harder. their tax pockets and population centers. so if you look in the interior of the country, the density is

different. which means you will have less depth of devastation. it doesn't mean the people there aren't going hungry as well. the proof of that is that governors of both parties red and blue are arguing for it. why? primarily, because of where the money goes. jobs. 13% of all jobs in this country state and local government. it's not all faceless bureaucrats. it's not the deep state bs. these are people that teach your kids, pick up your garbage, plow your streets, protect you. comes, firefighters, first responders. in terms of dollars, we're talking about 9% of the gdp, the gross domestic product. airlines and auto makers combined. okay. so they matter. the so-called party of lower taxes is fighting this. but the reality is, without it, the pandemic will be followed by massive tax hikes. that brings us to sticking point number two, direct payment. why not get rid of the middleman and just give the money directly to you? the white house is playing games

with this, offering a one-time $600 check in exchange for ending the $300 a week that people are getting in unemployment help. why? one is obviously cheaper. but then the argument is that you are incentivizing people not to work. two things. the idea that people would choose to not work, can only be made by those who have never known any other option. okay. and we know for millions of americans the last stimulus check was the difference when that poverty and survival. survival is exactly what the third main sticking point comes down to. workplace liability protection. now, in other words, this is about making sure that you can't sue your employer if you get coronavirus at work. you got to have it. mcconnell andco say, why? because they're protecting the businesses. otherwise, we're back to what we've seen early on, massive

food shortages and eventually without prices. they'll say without some protection, it's too risky for plants and manufacturing facilities to stay opened and keep the economy moving. they're right. whether it's meat processing plants, farm care workers, healthcare heroes. too many are asked to put them on the line just for going to work. this protection isn't just for them. this isn't about how you keep the people keeping us safe, safe. it's about protecting profits. the amount of money it has to claim in litigation. they're big problems, big problems. that's buffer get to this bizarre like why senate republicans want to include a tax deduction for business lunches? we have more people going hungry in this country at any time since the great depression. you got to take care of business expenses for entertainment? that's the reality facing leaders like my next guest, west virginia senator joe manchin.

thank you for keeping your promise to come back and let us know the stay of play. did it get it right? are those the sticking points? >> you know what, i don't know if i can say anything else, chris, you covered it all. >> you're in the room. where do things stand? >> i'm in the room. >> well, basically, you've painted really a good synopsis of what we're dealing with. first of all this is an emergency. it's an emergency. emergency means you need to do something now. at the end of december, we lose all the lifelines for people, unemployment and then they come back with an offer tonight that we're not going to give you any unemployment assistance. we will go ahead, the money we have, we will give it to the people that already have a job and a paycheck. i want to help stimulate everything i can. if i only have x amount of dollars, don't you three the person that has nothing and the job is not there for them and we made them close down their businesses need a little more help during an emergency to get through the first quarter of

next year? which is going to be the most challenging time? we're trying to put common sense. this is not hard. basically, if you put politics involved with egos on top of that it makes it extremely difficult and we've got to take that out. quit playing the games. we got democrats and republicans that have been working together day and night for the last three-and-a-half-to-four weeks. we're ready to go. we're putting out language tonight, section by section that you can see how we're trying to address and bakally the two big stick points right now is you got state and local aid. state and local assistance. then you have liability. we need both. we need both. i'm a democrat telling you, you need to protect the businesses to a certain extent. but you got to make sure that the people responsible for safe workplace, that the workers have safe working conditions, but on top of that unemployment, workers compensation takes care of most of that chris, if you

work at a meat packing or food processing, you got workers come. it protects these wild schemes on a wild type of suits to go on. what we're trying to protect from is the person that might have walked into the store and you get a class action suit. >> right. >> so there is basically basic things that this person has done in their establishment that they're not going to say, i got to pay $50,000 to defend myself, yet i haven't done anything wrong. i did everything the cdc told me to do. i've lived by osha standards and did everything right. we don't know with this pandemic what this scenario was. so it's kind of a moving target. there is a way to precht them and a way, yeah, go ahead. >> go ahead. common sense. >> there is by a to protect them. protect them. we're coming, the lawyers we have, very smart people, democrats, republicans are working as we speak right now forming language that does exactly what we need to do. but you can't just give blanket

amnesty. you know that. >> right. >> basically, you lose all protection and all the people. >> you also don't have to do it right now. you know what i mean? that litigation will take time. the classs have to form you have to see it. in terms of what is an exigent circumstance, what you have now, giving protection from litigation is not now. now is giving people that $600 check. getting people looking for food money. dealing one employment, those are the exigent circumstances. i don't understand mcconnell's urgency here. why is that something that has to happen now but giving checks to individual families doesn't have to happen now? >> well, i think right now, he's saying that he might never get an opportunity to do any of this. i think he will. joe biden is the most reasonable person. we'll look at see. he's not going to let people sue the bejesus out of people with frivolous suits. the democrats won't do that we will make sure there is a

balance, a judicial system and makes people responsible and we're not going to let our businesses collapse. that is not going to happen. but this is exactly what he's thinking right now i believe that if we don't do it know -- i'm telling you, if they don't make a deem with us now. if they don't believe that they will never have a chance to fix it later. now is the time to work with us and in a most comprising way. we're willing to do that. i think we'll get there. the other thing is basically, they say, we don't want to help any of the states, you mentioned a blue state bailout. they're saying an emergency is an emergency. if a state basically has shortfalls that they can't now provide basic services, i'm talking about frontline services, essential services, 911, police, firemen. all the essentials we depend on, they can't even fire them and make sure that they're employed. you got a big problem on your hands and we're saying that has to be protected and all we're doing is making sure that there is a need.

if they haven't had revenue lost and they haven't had excessive expenses on covid on the covid pandemic, they're not going to get the money. if they have and they can show it and prove it, they will be held accountable for fraud and abuse. >> is there any chance you have the vaccine money so that we can ramp up production of that? is there any chance that gets done as a stand-alone? >> a vaccine is not going to have a problem. i don't think there is a democrat or ma republican, no matter what their politics are that would prevent the vaccine from getting out. it's costing $17 million. it's caught in this bill here. basically, we're going to get this done. you got to be a supreme -- you can't give up. be a supreme optimist. we're going to get this done. we're not going home. can you imagine a u.s. senator or congressman going home, sorry, merry kriftd mass to you if you can have one, we're going home for christ mafls. if they do that, i scant believe

it. i don't think they're that callous to do it. we have to get something done. >> i hope you are right. senator joe manchin again -- >> we can't walk out, chris. you can't do that. you can't leave people they have no unemployment, it stops in december. food assistance, we got people on food lines longer than we seen before. these are not the network people you see in food banks. we got people losing the rent, losing, they're being evicted. all this is happening at one time and the $v 900 billion, is first of all, following the president, mnuchin, everybody has said, okay, that's the right number. 900 billion. we came to that about two weeks ago. when found the spots where we thought everyone could agree on. we got to move forward on. 23 are putting language to it. you will be able to see tonight or tomorrow exactly how we want it to be spent. look. our time is your time. if you want to come here and make the case what it is, the sick ifing point sticking points. whatever you want.

this has to get done. we're here to enforce it. >> chris, are you doing a good job basically of what's happening. you were spot on when you mentioned at the front. it's basically down to two items on state and local aid and they need it. if there is an emergency, they need it. as well as the people who need protection against just frivolous lawsuits. >> i got you. senator joe manchin, thank you very much. good luck. all right, we'll get it done. >> i hope so. you know, look, one of the reasons it has to get done is we have to take care of the people who are taking care of us. okay. we have to do that with a vaccine. we have to take care of them. we have to make sure there is money from all this stress and strain. they are not doing a normal job. being at this capacity against the pandemic for a year. that breaks you down. physically and mentally. and mental healthcare for professionals. okay. do you remember doctor lorna breen.

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we have with us ron philip cowsky. he has worked for the state for a while. he was an appointee by governor scott twice. now of governor desantis. once lifelong republican. he resigned over what you saw and joins us exclusively. thank you very much. you were vice chairman of the nomination committee. why was this too much? >> well, i watched the video when she tweeted it out right after the incident happened. and i couldn't believe what i was seeing. i knew who she was. i've been following her as sort of an independent source of data after she was let go by the state. and i saw what was happening and i couldn't believe it. then i read the search warrant and i'm a criminal lawyer. and i couldn't believe what i was reading in the search warrant about how broad it was before the what they were alleging as a supposed crime. and so i was just really outraged by the whole situation. and then the final straw was

really hearing the governor's spokesman come out and say he didn't know anything at all about the raid. he had no knowledge of it. and no one told him anything about it which i found to be fantastical. not credible. >> you don't think there's any way that the florida department of law enforcement does something like this and the governor's office doesn't know. >> rebecca jones has been a thorn in governor desantis' side throughout the whole pandemic. she's a pretty, relatively high profile person in florida. most people know who she is and what she's up to. i can tell you that you know, she is not his favorite person. so they have to know when they're going to do a raid on her like this, it is going to make news. it will be big news. the idea that a small law enforcement agency like that which reports directly to the governor would do a raid like this on a high profile person

without clearing it through governor's office. there's no way. >> and she said she didn't send the message that they're calling the cyber crime. that somebody accessed the emergency communications system within the department of health and said speak up now. you know that they're not telling the truth about covid. you know it will mean more deaths. she said she didn't send it. in terms of the meaning of that message, as an insider there within the government, you are aware that there have been suggestions about how reporting was handled from hospitals about cases, how reporting from schools was handled about cases, and there have been allegations that this government has not been straight with the people there or with the country. what is your experience? >> well, that's what we've seen. we've watched governor desantis in his press conferences be incredibly abrasive with the media on any covid-related

question. it has been incredibly frustrating. we're really looking to people like miss jones and like the media in florida to give us the facts. to get us the facts. so when something like this is done, it is not only meant to intimidate and silence miss jones but more importantly, to intimidate and silence people inside the administration right now. >> do you believe -- >> that's why -- >> do you believe, well, that's another ang ol' this story. they didn't take router and other thing they wanted to look at what ip addresses were communicating through her system but they took phone he which would be a window into her sources, which is a very dangerous examination have someone's first amendment rights. do you believe that your governor has been dishonest about the covid realities in your state? >> yeah. absolutely. no question about it. in may, he was looking for an apology from the media because he had conquered covid in florida, when we all knew that

wasn't the case. he's also claimed that if there is a death with somebody who dies of covid and they have a pre-existing condition, it shouldn't really count as a covid death. he said a lot of things like that. and i always had a very high opinion, to be honest with you, of governor desantis until covid. and his approval ratings in florida were in the low 70s when covid happened. and they've taken a nosedive. and it is simply because of the way he's handled this pandemic which just baffles all of us here. >> will with, ron, i know that speaking out against a member of your party, especially the party you're in right now, is not only an act of courage but some would say an act of lunacy. i think if you're going to stand up for the right things, it is worth taking whatever comes along with it. thank you for telling the truth in this situation down there and what your concerns are about covid and how the state government is handling it.

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thank you for watching cnn tonight. the big show with the big star d lemon starts right now. >> how are you holding up? are you living in reality tonight? >> i am always in reality. i'm in all day. my concern is that this relief bill is showing all the politics at its ugliest and my fear is that you need the money to ramp up the production for the vaccine now. operation warp speed was a ballsy move by the government and this president to get it going. they put money on the line that could have easily been lost and wasn't. $1.5 trillion that they put up there. but they need more now to figure out what they have to do to get it to all the different people they have to. remember, the vaccine only helps us when it reaches