to any who are in their rooms watching tonight, we wish you strength and a quick recovery. but, again, there's at least a glimpse of how this will end. there is hope out there. the vote today to recommend emergency use authorization for pfizer's covid-19 vaccine. the fda is expected to support that decision soon along with the cdc advisory committee on sunday. that certainly cannot come soon enough. a reminder don't miss full circle, our digital news show. we continue to spend a lot of time focused on the pandemic on it. you can watch full circle streaming live 6:00 p.m. eastern at cnn.com/full circle or watch it on the cnn app anytime on demand. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> coop, thank you very much. i am chris cuomo, and welcome to "prime time." first happy hanukkah to my jewish brothers and sisters. i am your extended family, and i wish you a beautiful start to the festival of lights.

and the celebration, the remembrance, could not be more indicktive of where we are collectively. once more there is unholy darkness desecending upon the land. once more there is a struggle by a tyrant to keep power. once more i'm afraid we will need something bigger than ourselves to keep our wicks lit, to burn away darkness in the temple of our democracy. so pray for us, my jewish brothers and sisters. we need the help now as ever. more than anything, we will need justice. why? here's the latest. the full trump mob has amassed for their final assaults on america, and that is what this is. it's not due process. it's not letting it play out. this is saying, we don't like what happened, so it must not stand. this country is nothing without

democracy being respected. so this is an attack on america at her core, period. rogue attorneys general from states that have already certified their votes signing on to a corrupt cause. now, joining them, more than half of house republicans. over 100 now endorsing what they can offer no credible proof about. what else is asking the court to allow you to stop the transfer of power because you don't like how it happened? not liking it is all they have. they have become retrumplicans. there should be no collective cover for them when this is done. they must all be remembered for this and as this. there is nothing right or righteous. their actions are the death

knell of decency. they do not want unity. they do not want cooperation. they do not want law and order. they want nothing bigger than what they can steal for themselves. they show urgency for a bad cause while ignoring the good fight to help people during a goddamn pandemic. shame on them. attacking what is best about us in the name of a man who represents the worst in us. a man who dared to lie in his own brief before the highest court in the land, saying no one has ever won ohio and florida and lost. nixon did in 1960. then today, the lie is exposed. what does he do? he does his worst. he doubles down on dumb, saying, "no one has ever won iowa, ohio, and florida and lost." and, again, he is wrong.

you see, adding more b.s. to b.s. does not change the stench. nixon won iowa too. nixon, the last gop liar who disgraced this country. a fitting analog to trump. and now all you who support his cause are just like him. and while before the supreme court they should not succeed, they can't succeed. why? how can a court that found 9-0 that you can't come late and say another state doesn't like how a different state chose to run their election? how can that same court now give a different ruling when the same thing is argued about multiple states? but even if the outcome is that this election must stand, this assault on us cannot. the effort alone must be

unforgivable. they are attacking america at her core, and the timing matters. it is when we are at our weakest, when we need unity the most, they bring disunity, and they know it. it should speak volumes to you that texas' own solicitor general, the solicitor general is who is supposed to argue before the supreme court for a state. the solicitor general in texas won't put his name on this case. what does that tell you? it is brought by the attorney general, who is currently under indictment for fraud as it is, okay? no senators have filed an amicus brief or signed on to this suit by texas. even the senior senator of texas, john cornyn, says he's struggling to understand the legal theory behind the lawsuit. of course he is. there isn't one. and remember cornyn used to be the state's attorney general.

and texas, you know, the state that wanted to restrict every county to one ballot drop box a month before the election to suppress turnout, this is the state barking the loudest about fraud? more than 20 other states and washington, d.c. are standing up for democracy. they are submitting their own amicus brief, deriding the sham, urging the supreme court to deny it. but how can we be divided on this? how can it be enough to say that you don't like it and have nothing to show? so here we are. will the highest court in the land rescue our rectitude once more as it did during the last plot like this by this party? will this mass of mccarthys be turned away in the name of the law as it was during the red scare? if not, if the court were to aid this toxic cause, if elections only count if you like the

outcome, what becomes of america? and so while the retrumplicans do their worst during a pandemic, luckily there are those still doing their best to help the common good. dr. anthony fauci will be here on what's next after this critical fda vote that we've been waiting for. pfizer's covid vaccine got the okay tonight from a key panel recommending authorization for emergency use. so now what? when will the fda finally approve? then what happens? when will the shot be available to everybody who needs it? and how about all the questions we have about what the shot means, what it means for our future, when? we'll break it all down with dr. fauci ahead. but let's start with this legal battle because it could change everything and probably has no matter how it turns out. better minds, david gregory, michael smerconish joining me now.

gentlemen, thank you once again. on the legal side, am i right that -- i looked at the suit, and it is basically we don't just dislike how pennsylvania did this, but we believe that all the states that matter did things in a way that weren't about the legislature, so we don't like how they ran the election, and we want you to overturn it. michael. >> so let me put it in practical terms. they say all politics are local. in my extended house, my wife and i have four children and a son-in-law, seven votes. seven votes all lawfully cast. this litigation, texas seeks to throw out all seven of our votes, and for what reason? well, first of all, it's totally at odds with republican adherence to federalism. this idea of deference to the states because we allow the states to run all of their elections. so strong is the belief in federalism that the trump

administration has added a tenth amendment question to the brand-new naturalization exam, but not here. they've thrown that out the window. and based on what logic or illogic? chris, it's junk science. the argument that they make is that as of 3:00 a.m. on the morning after the election, that wednesday a.m., that the likelihood of joe biden winning the popular vote was less than 1 in a quadrillion. that sounds awfully compelling if true, but it assumes that the vote tabulation will continue to be exactly the same. in other words, ignoring what we all knew was coming, that so many democrats were going to vote by mail in contrast to republicans, who were voting in person. the answer to your question as to how can they get away with it is because most americans are working and don't have the time to do what i did all afternoon was to wade through all of these briefs. it's absolute garbage, and the

best the president can hope for is that it's dismissed without comment because if any opinions flow from it, i think they'll be scathing. >> david, how do we come back from this? i mean even listening to rick santorum saying, i don't like the way they put out those conspiracy theories, but the party chair down there in georgia, he's got a good lawsuit. he hasn't even shown the proof yet. it's in superior court. he won't show the proof to the media. these guys are banking on the division. how do we come back from this? >> well, first of all, this old chestnut in republican circles about voter fraud, that they don't have the evidence to back up, and people like ben ginsberg, who is an election law specialist, who has said that repeated, that there's no "there" there, that there's not fraud here. but this is such a part of the arguments that a lot of republicans make and now trump and his allies have taken it to

a more dangerous level. they're trying to use democracy to undermine democracy, and that's the question of how do we come back from that because this is someone who does not respect the presidency. this is someone in donald trump who came to prominence politically on the back of a racist lie, saying that barack obama wasn't born in this country, and is just using another chapter of that here to delegitimize elections. look, we had a great success in this country during this awful pandemic. we had a very successful election. a record number of people who participated, republicans, democrats, pro-trump, pro-biden. people showed up. you had republican attorneys general or republican secretaries of state like in georgia standing up for their results and certifying that vote with all this pressure. i think we come back from it because i think this is a marginalized group. that includes the president. people are not paying attention,

and unfortunately there aren't enough republican leaders to say, this must stop because it does potential damage to those people who -- >> not enough. >> and it is a choice to believe it. >> i'd take one of consequence. michael, i mean is it any mystery why in march everybody was able to come together and put together an act to help with relief, and now they can't? and now the number keeps dropping, and now mcconnell wants to walk away. is it any secret why? they've obviously put something above the pandemic in terms of their priority. >> look, this is something that a lot of folks are going to be shaken to hear, but donald trump is good for republican business. i mean many of us need to get out of our bubble and look at what's going on here. you wonder why would more than half of republicans in the house sign an amicus brief that's based on the junk science that i've referred to? and the answer is because they picked up seats in the house, arguably held on to the senate, one the montana gubernatorial mansion, controlled state

legislatures, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. so they actually had a very good election. the only thing they couldn't do was get donald trump over the finish line. and so i think, chris, it's selfishness that's keeping them tethered to him because they're afraid to cross him. >> gentlemen, thank you. thank you for the better minds. tut for helping the audience understand just where we are. we are living history together. now, one of the reasons this matters is with this kind of impassio impas impasse, how are we going to get the money to make sure the vaccine is distributed right. that's part of this bill that they now say they don't want to deal with anymore. now, the good news is we just took a major step closer to a potential pandemic exit ramp. why? pfizer's coronavirus vaccine has been recommended for authorization by an fda panel. so are we done? no. why not? i've got the guy to answer the questions. dr. anthony fauci is going to talk with us about where things stand, where we need to be.

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weert we're getting closer. that's the good news. pfizer's covid vaccine took another step. there was a long day of deliberation and a key panel this evening recommended the fda grant the so-called eua, the emergency use authorization. the fda now has to decide whether to take that recommendation, but if it does, the cdc will have to give the final signoff on sunday. anticipation is high. covid cases and deaths are higher. the vaccine is not the end. it is not a cure. in fact, if you're sick, you probably shouldn't take it. but you're going to be able to ask a doctor that in just a moment. we are at the potential beginning of the end.

let's discuss what is and what may be with the man, dr. anthony fauci. welcome back, sir. >> good to be with you, chris. >> two state of play questions. first, why so much alphabet soup? why fda to cdc and cdc back to fda? why so much alphabet soup? why couldn't this have been streamlined? >> no, it's really important, chris, the fact that the fda's advisory committee, the vaccine and related biological products advisory committee, the one that met today and voted to recommend to the fda to grant the eua, that's really important, chris, because what it shows is that the process we have here in the united states is decisions and recommendations are made by independent bodies just the way the data and safety monitoring board looked at the data a while ago and said it looks good, let's examine the data and see

if we can get an eua. the advisory committee to the fda now has made that recommendation. the reason i think this is so important is that we want to make sure that we impress the american public that decisions that involve their health and safety are made outside of the realm of politics, outside of the realm of self-aggrandizement and are made in essence by independent groups. so it was a very important step this evening, around 5:00 or so, when the decision was made. now the fda will take under consideration that recommendation and will very likely act on it quite soon. >> okay. and, look, you you're now at about 60/30 of people in favor of taking the virus, which is an improvement over what it had been. the more information that comes out, the less trump has to do with it, the better it may get. why are things so bad right now?

>> well, it's a conflation of things, chris, that you and i have spoken about in the past. we have a very high baseline of infections, over 200,000 a day. we now have reached 3,000 deaths yesterday. we have over 100,000 hospitalizations. the baseline was bad to begin with. when i say baseline, i mean the community spread of a certain number of infections per day. you superimpose upon that the colder weather, which drives people indoors, and those who don't wear masks and don't pay attention to what we say about not congregating indoors without masks, that adds to the problem. we've just gotten past a week and a half ago the thanksgiving holiday. sometime in this coming week, we will likely see the full brunt of what happens when you travel and congregate in seemingly innocent settings like dinners and gatherings with family and friends. >> so this is on us?

>> well, it is on us in so many respects, chris. then we're going to be entering into the christmas holiday where the same sort of travel and the same sort of congregating, again, innocent things like with family and friends. so we expect that we likely will see yet again another surge upon a surge. so the months of december and january are going to be very challenging for us unless we realize that as i've said so many times, chris, there are things we can do about it. if we have uniform adherence to the public health measures, universal wearing of masks, avoiding congregate settings, keeping distance, doing things to the extent possible -- sometimes it's difficult with the weather. do it outdoors versus indoors, and wash your hands frequently. if we just did those things, that we would certainly have an impact on the trajectory. if you look at the curve, it's really quite disturbing. >> at this point, though, you've

got to believe it's not going to happen, so really it comes down to the vaccine. you're not a politician, but you've got a bunch of states lining up to nullify an election, and wearing a mask has become the act of omission of wearing a maga hat. it's been politicized. i don't know that we get to a better place. so the vaccine then has even more pressure on it. what do you see as the concerns about distribution of this vaccine? context. i'm worried about states picking winners and losers, that they don't get enough doses, they don't get enough money, so they have to make choices. and that they'll choose hospitals in affluent areas, that they won't help the poor groups who are already disproportionately affected. they'll be picking winners and losers. what's your concern? >> well, you know, i hope, chris, that we don't see that happen. you know, the distribution from the places where the vaccines

have been filled and finished and put into the vial to the local places, that's going to take place through, as i mentioned previously on the show, through the united states army under general gus perna to get the material to the local places. once it gets locally to the state and city and local areas, it's going to be up to the local health officials to make the determination of how it's distributed. now, there are recommendations that will come from the cdc through their advisory committee on immunization practices that will say, these are the individuals who should have the first shot at the first priority. that's the 1a group. that almost certainly will be health care providers and those, for example, in nursing homes. the next level will be individuals that are much -- let's say people with essential jobs. then there will be people who are elderly and people with underlying conditions. and you go through the priority. we hope that that's followed in

an equitable way, in a way that, as you said, is not favoring one group versus the other. >> well, we'll see. that's part of our job to watch it. i got a short answer section for you here, all right? just some questions that keep coming up. >> okay. >> why do i have to keep wearing the mask after i get the vaccine? i thought it was going to protect me from the vaccine. what's the answer? >> well, the answer is unless you get the overwhelming majority of the country vaccinated and protected and get that umbrella of what we call herd immunity, there's still a lot of virus out there. so just because you're protected, so-called protected by the vaccine, you need to remember that you could be prevented from getting clinical disease and still have the virus that is in your nasal pharynx because you could get infected. we're not sure at this point that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.

we know for sure it's 94%, 95% in protecting you against clinical disease and almost 100% in protecting you against severe disease. until you have virus that is so low in society, we as a nation need to continue to wear the mask, to keep the physical distance, to avoid crowds. we're not through with this just because we're starting a vaccine program. even though you as an individual might have gotten vaccinated, it is not over by any means. we still have a long way to go, and we've got to get as many people as possible vaccinated of all groups. >> when does that take? when are we fully vaccinated? >> well, the projection that i've made and i hope it works this way, it's going to depend on the people's willingness to come up and step up to the plate and get vaccinated. if you go now through december, january, february, march, you likely will have the people who fall into the high priority

groups get vaccinated. when let's say you get into april, i would project by the time you get to april, it will be -- i guess you want to call it open season in the sense of anyone, even the non-high priority groups could get vaccinated. if we get the vaccine doses coming in at the projected rate that we had hoped they will -- and i believe it will -- as we get into april, may, and june, you'll get more and more of the population. if 75% or more of the population decides they want to get vaccinated, i would hope by the time we get to the end of the second quarter, into the summer, that we will have enough people vaccinated that by the time we get to the fall, in the third quarter of the year, that we will have that veil of protective herd immunity that would really essentially protect -- >> will my bella be able to start college as a freshman in the fall? >> you know, i hope so, chris.

i mean i hope so. i mean one of the things we want to do -- and we've said it before -- is to get the children to get back in school. we're talking about k to 12 as well as obviously the college. but to not only get them back, but to keep them in school. that's the default position that we should try. >> i thought it was surprising, tony, not to cut you off, but i thought it was surprising that biden put it out as one of his big three plans. but obviously that's all about how. everybody wants kids in school. i know the data now is starting to get a little scary because there's more exposure in schools than we thought, especially when you get up in age, and they're still not testing smart there because they don't have enough tests to test smart. but it all comes down to how because if you don't do it right, are we going to have graduations next may, june? >> you know, i don't know about this time -- this cycle as we go into the spring. it's really going to depend, again -- chris, i don't want to keep repeating myself, but it's

the truth. it depends how quickly and how many people want to get vaccinated. if we have a smooth vaccination program where everybody steps to the plate quickly, we could get back to some form of normality reasonably quickly, into the summer and certainly into the fall. my hope and my projection is that if we get people vaccinated en masse so that we get that large percentage of the population, as we get into the fall, we can get real comfort about people being in schools, safe in school, be they k to 12 or college. that's what i hope and project we would do if we get everybody vaccinated. >> dr. anthony fauci, i know you had a very long day. it's late now. thank you for once again giving me your time and my audience your time at this hour, in this moment. thank you, sir. >> good to be with you, chris. thank you for having me. >> always a pleasure. now, dr. fauci just said to you you believes the supply will be there. okay. but there's an if on that that he doesn't control.

will congress put the money where it needs to be to get the doses we need made so it can be distributed to the states? will they give states the relief that they need so they can handle the distribution? it will not be all military. states will be involved. congress must be involved. that's why we invited congressm congresswoman maxine waters on tonight. she says this fight, this struggle is real in this country, and it is not being respected in congress, and she is worried, probably even more tonight after what happened with all of her colleagues signing up for this corrupt battle in court. maxine waters answers next. ♪ ♪

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dark times. people need help, and it seems less likely it's going to come.

let's bring in democratic representative maxine waters from california. congresswoman, as always, a pleasure. thank you for being with us. >> i'm delighted to be with you. thank you for having me on this evening. >> am i right to have this tone of urgency that it looks less likely that something's going to get done after today? >> you should be very, very concerned. i'm very concerned. i'm reduced to the point of pleading not only with my colleagues but with the american public to plead with the members of congress to get something done, to make sure that, you know, the negotiations end with the people of this country being taken care of as they expect their government to do. people are hurting out there. people are in lines begging for food, you know, looking for food for each meal for their children. and the renters are absolutely terrified that they're going to be evicted. and so we have the unemployed.

we have the renters. we have families that are, you know, food-insecure, and we are basically fiddling while rome is burning. and the members of congress have got to get over this. we have got to conclude with a stimulus for the american people, and tonight i'm begging -- i'm begging the members of congress to get it done. i'm begging mcconnell to get off of holding up everything. i'm begging the problem solvers to come in with the right amount, and i'm saying to my democrats, you have done a good job on making concessions. you have compromised. stick with it and work with everybody, and let's get the money out. let's get the stimulus checks out. let's take care of the american people. we're desperate. i'm desperate. >> maxine, what changed? in march, $2.2 trillion. everybody came together, got it done. now the pandemic is worse. the need is greater. and the line is less than half

that amount, and a chunk of that less than half the amount is from the money that wasn't spent the first time, and no checks for people. what changed? >> well, you know, i don't know everything that changed, but i know one thing. the president of the united states has absolutely ignored this. he's focused on himself and all of the lies that he's telling about the fact that he has won this election. he doesn't care. he doesn't offer any leadership, and he's left mnuchin there to negotiate, and mcconnell has absolutely, you know, absolutely been obstructionist in all of this. and so, you know, whether we're blaming, you know, the president or we're blaming mcconnell or we're blaming the problem solvers, they have got to get together and get this done. and we cannot leave this session of congress, this lame duck session that we're in without getting it done. the american people are desperate, and they're depending

on us. >> how can you expect these guys to make a deal when 100 of them signed up today to overturn the election? >> it's absolutely disgusting and disappointing that they don't have any guts, that they fear the president of the united states, and they all want the president to think that they've got his back. and so they've signed this amicus for this case to go before the supreme court, and they know that the supreme court is not going to entertain this at all. they're going to tell them that they're not going to even, you know, listen to arguments about it because they are not a supreme court as mandated by the constitution to overturn elections in all of these states. and so i don't know. the president is raising a lot of money. i think he's up to about $200 million now, and i suppose all of this money is designed to be used to continue to control

the republican party. the republican party is in disarray. it's no longer a republican party, and he owns it. he's taken over it. they're afraid of him. they're doing whatever he wants to do. but the american people must not allow this to happen. their voices have got to be held -- heard, rather. they've got to use social media, all of the platforms of social media to persuade the members of congress to get this done, to get a stimulus package out, to help save the american public. you heard what is going on, how many cases of, you know, the virus -- how many people have been infected. >> it's worse than ever. >> and so we're in a terrible position, and i -- i want the public to weigh in on it. and i and many others in congress, some on both sides of the aisle, mostly on the democratic side that are doing everything that we can to

encourage the negotiations to go on and people to negotiate in good faith and not follow mcconnell for sure because one man on the senate side absolutely leading the opposition, the obstructionist who is absolutely interfering with the ability for this to be concluded. and it's all based on liability. he doesn't want anybody to have any liability responsibility. >> what is your argument against mcconnell's position that you need to do liability for employers now. otherwise, they'll be taken down by people suing them for getting sick on the job. >> well, i think that there can be some concessions made, but not totally. and that's what needs to be worked out. where you can limit or reduce liability and where you have to have it. and that's what i expect them to do. so it is not, you know, one way or the other, either no liability or, you know, all

liability. and that's what has to be worked out. you cannot simply say that there can be absolutely no liability. >> i've watched you do the job for a long time. i've never seen you like this. i've seen you passionate, but i've never seen you this worried. why? >> i'm absolutely worried. i can't sleep. i'm watching, you know, the millions of people. i think there are about, what, 20 million people who have not been able to pay their rent since august, and there's about $25 billion in back pay to these landlords that will rise to about $70 billion by the end of the year. and i'm worried that, you know, in all of these negotiations, they're talking about extending the moratorium on evictions, but they're not talking about what happens at the end of the year when there's no longer a moratorium and the landlords are left without any money, and the

fact that evictions are going to take place. even the $25 billion that now is in this part of, you know, the bill that is being negotiated certainly is not enough. >> no. >> it really should be about $100 billion. but even if it's $25 billion and the moratorium does not last beyond the end of the year, that $25 billion is not going to go very far. >> right. >> and we won't be able to get it out to the people until probably february or march. >> another aspect to the relief bill, first of all, i want you to know you're welcome on this show to make the case from now through the finish. we're not going anywhere either. we're going to be covering this all the way through, and you're welcome on. but, you know, something else to remind people of in terms of why they should be watching this is even if you're not in a bad way, you want the vaccine? you need this bill. the money for the distribution of the vaccine and the production to get where we need it is in this bill. so we need it to get done.

>> absolutely. absolutely. i was looking over that this evening, and i think they put about $6 billion in there. >> right. >> to deal with the vaccines, yes. >> so i hope it happens. we need it to happen. we'll stay on it, and you have a platform when you want it. congresswoman maxine waters, thank you. >> thank you. and thank you for your passion. you've been doing a great job on this, and that's why i'm so pleased to be here with you tonight. thank you very much. >> you're always invited. best to the family. we'll do our job. you do yours. take care. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> we've got to stay on things that matter, and how government has been working through this pandemic has got to be in sharp focus because there's a lot of bullying and bad stuff going on. we have new video of the raid on that covid scientist's home in florida. rebeck k rebekah jones says she was fired for not fudging on the numbers.

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florida police say they've been, quote, vilified for their raid on the home of a former state covid data scientist. they're putting out some but not all of the body cam footage of that raid. when you watch this, keep a few things in mind. rebekah jones has not been charged with any crime. according to an affidavit, authorities suspect she transmitted a message on a private department of health messaging system, something she denies, and the legitimacy of it being private, meaning no one from the public could access it, is also in dispute. the body cam footage begins with officers ringing the doorbell and knocking on her door. the officer even mentions, it

doesn't look like anyone's home. take a listen. >> i don't see any sign that someone's here. >> about eight minutes go by. an officer calls jones. she appears to hang up on them. >> she answered, and i said, hey, this is so and so. is anybody at your residence. we're trying to make contact with somebody. i heard a little kid, like a baby, and then she hung up. >> they knew there were kids there. keep that in mind based on how they did enter eventually. 20 minutes after knocking, the officer, holding a sledgehammer, begins discussing forcing their way in. >> do you want me to. >> they can't say they didn't know. make sure the whole block hears us. >> police, search warrant! open the door! . police, search warrant! open the door! >> now, it's interesting. you heard the officer there say, police, search warrant, open the

door. they didn't say that the first time. that's something we're going to want to discuss. but at this point, jones comes to the door and one officer is seen pulling out his weapon. keep in mind we don't see body cam footage from the officer who pulled his weapon or when he entered the home with the gun out. we're told what we're seeing is all the florida florida law enforcement department has. keep watching. >> open the door now. open the door. open the door, ma'am. >> who else is in the house, ma'am? >> my two children and my husband. >> and your husband. ca all down. all down. >> you want the children down? >> all down the stairs. police. come down, now. >> do not point that gun at my children! he just pointed a gun at my children! >> stay right there.

>> search warrant. >> pointing a gun at the stairs, there are children up there. >> the husband, the children, come downstairs. the officer puts the blame on jones, for the escalation. >> you're making all the wrong decisions. you understand what i'm telling you? i spoke to you on the phone, told you who i was, and you needed to come to the door. you looked out the window. okay. there is no need for this, at all. >> dog is in there. >> i'm going to explain everything to you about why we're here. but right now, we are off to a pretty rocky start. all you had to do was answer the door. >> we were told we didn't have to answer the door for you. >> just now, your lawyer told you don't answer the door? >> no, the last time that you gu guys came. >> we, again, reached out to governor ron desantis. the fdle is overseen by him, directly. the idea that his office didn't know this was happening sounds a

little too trumpy to be believe. he, again, declined to defend his own forces. rebecca jones is back, exclusively, with us tonight. what is your reaction to seeing the tape? >> it certainly didn't help them. but i'm glad that people are finally seeing, even from the police perspective, how outrageous everything was. >> now, they say, no, no, it's on you, rebecca. you knew we were there. you didn't answer. you took too long. this is what happens. fair? >> no. they called me and, as the officer mentioned, said to -- they needed to make contact. and wanted to know if anybody was home. i hung up the phone. i got dressed. i was down, in less than six minutes after that phone call. as far as i am understanding, unless there is a warrant, you don't need to open your door or talk to the police. and he did not say that, in that phone call. as soon as they banged on the door and said police search warrant, open the door, i was down and i opened the door.

>> now, it's interesting. what you say about the warrant. so, when he called you on the phone, he didn't say he had a warrant? >> no. and it's actually previous -- at an earlier point in the tape that they released, where he describes that phone call saying, hey, i'm at your front door. is anybody home? i need to make contact. >> so, you didn't hear about a warrant, then. and then, later in the tape, there is also something that made you suspicious about the color of authority of their ability to be there, regarding a warrant. what did you hear on the tape? >> on the tape, i think abot abt i think the 6 minute 30 second mark, he asked if they had a warrant, and he responds, no, not yet. >> so, you are saying, even if you did delay, it doesn't matter because they didn't have the warrant, anyway. so, he shouldn't be putting it on you. >> yeah. the first i heard of warrant was when they were banging on the door, and that's when i came to open the door. i warned them there were children inside.

they knew there were children inside because of hearing my daughter in the background on the phone call that was six minutes before i was down. >> and obviously, what was most upsetting to you is that, when the officers entered, one had a weapon drawn. and on the tape, we can't see. but where did he go with that weapon drawn? >> that's where you can see the video that i've already posted. two officers went in. one pulled out his gun after i said my kids are upstairs. the other one is the one who was pointing it at me when i opened the door. and they went around the stairway, and were pointing them up the stairs at my husband and two kids. >> do you have any more video to help clarify what happened? >> i think it's pretty clear. i do have the full video i didn't release that because my children coming downstairs. and i didn't want their faces plastered all over the news. >> they're minors and they're not involved in the situation. i understand your sensitivity.

what do you understand about where this stands as an investigation? >> i -- i -- nowhere. it went nowhere. nothing's happened with it. there are no charges. i've made my warning clear, to the people who have been communicating with me from state agencies. that they're at risk because they have my phone, now. and we haven't heard anything else back. >> has anyone that you have talked to said they've been contacted? >> one person, yes. >> so, you think they're using your phone to go through your contacts. >> i think they're trying to flush out people they view as being disloyal within state agencies. >> and you put out a document, that you said, shows they can't even know who would have put out that message because it's not all private. explain. >> so, i actually found out about this through a news article. apparently, the department of health has seven different pdfs

that are publicly accessible through their public website that have both the username and password to the account they said sent those messages. so, it is a public, available, accessible account. >> and you stand by your earlier statement to us, that you did not put that message out. you had nothing to do with that? >> correct. >> and you haven't been told when you can get your equipment back so you can continue to put out what the numbers are of cases in the state. >> i've already replaced my equipment and i started updating, yesterday. >> rebecca jones, thank you very much. i know this is not a comfortable situation for you and your family. especially, with the young kids. but, i told you, we'd stay on it till the end, and we will do that. >> thank you, chris. >> all right. be safe and thank you. best to the kids. we'll be right back. >> thank you. with new rewards from chase freedom unlimited, i now earn even more cash back? oh i got to tell everyone. hey, rita! you now earn 3% on dining, including takeout! bon appetit. hey kim, you now earn 5% on travel purchased through chase! way ahead of you!

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