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to that and it didn't matter to him. >> i think music is the best proof that people have one thing in common, no matter where they live. no matter what language they speak. >> jimmy carter, rock and roll president, at 9:00 on cnn. hello and welcome to our viewers here, in the united states, and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate your company. let's get you straight to our top story, now. the u.s. preparing for the biggest vaccination campaign in its history. everyone is just waiting for the cdc director to give the final, green light to the pfizer/biontech vaccine. now, the vaccines are set to be delivered to 145 facilities, across the country, starting monday.
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health officials say the vaccine could alter the course of the pandemic, in the u.s., and not a moment too soon, of course. the country, now, passing 16 million cases, after adding 1 million in just four days. and hospitalizations, hitting another record, on saturday. more than 108,000 patients, around the country, in hospitals with coronavirus. cnn chief medical correspondent, sanjay gupta, has more, now, on the vaccine, who should take it, and what the rollout will look like once the cdc director signs off on it. >> well, just remarkable development, scientifically, with this vaccine. we know the vaccine is now authorized, and has now been recommended by the centers for disease control, as well. which means, lots of moving parts are starting to unfold. we know that the shipments are scheduled to begin this weekend. likely, going to be arriving, in many places, by monday morning.
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and we could see people starting to get vaccinated, for the first time outside of a clinical trial, early this week. perhaps, even monday or tuesday. the process, so far, has been, once the fda authorized it, the cdc then recommended it. and we get some better clarity on, not only who the vaccine is for, recommended for, but, also, who may not be recommended. for example, we know that this is going to be recommended for people 16 and over. there was some back and forth on that, among the advisory committee. some felt that, maybe, the age should be 18 and over. but the fda, and now cdc, saying 16 and over. we know that pregnant women, for example, were not part of the original, clinical trial. 23 women in the trial became pregnant while in the trial. but there's not a lot of data there. not a lot of data to warn it's dangerous or not safe, and it is there's not a lot of data to show efficacy in pregnant women,
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specifically. for example, if a pregnant woman is in a particularly high-risk profession, and exposed to covid over and over again, as a healthcare worker, for example, they may go ahead and ask for that vaccine. we know, as we saw from the uk, that people have had a significant allergic reaction, in the past. so significant that they carry an epipen, for example. they're worried about, they carry an epipen, they may not be recommended to get the vaccine. and also, people that have conditions that have compromised their immune system. but again, i think a lot of this is going to be conversations between individuals and their healthcare providers, to try and figure out what's going to be the best course of action, for them. 3 million doses, roughly, are going to be distributed around the country. and it's going to be up to each state, then, to sort of triage these doses. we know, specifically, healthcare workers who take care of covid patients and people in long-term care facilities are going to be at the top of the list. but, each state may handle that a bit differently.
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they may give all their doses to healthcare workers. or all their doses to long-term care facilities residents. or they may split it up. so, it may be different in one state, as compared to the state right next door. so, that may feel a little bit disjointed in the beginning. but the hope is as more and more vaccine is created, it's going to help smooth out some of those demand surges that are likely to occur, obviously, in these various states. >> dr. michael mena joins me now from boston, i'm delighted to say. i want to get to testing issues that you have raised in a moment. but, let's start with what we've learned about the vaccine in the last day or so. among other things, that previously infected people should get vaccinated, too. talk about that. is that because of the cases of reinfection and that immunity seems imperfect? >> no, i think that this is more about the logistics.
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and that we just don't know. and so, this is really erring on the side of caution. but, in fact, we have not seen many reinfections, at all. we've seen millions and millions and millions of cases, of course, across the globe, with relatively few reinfections. so, i think that the decision to provide vaccines, also, for people who are known to have already been infected is probably more of a let's-play-it-safe-kind-of move. >> we don't know if people can actually carry the virus and infect nonvaccinated people, right? isn't that right? their recommendation is even for vaccinated people to continue wear masks and distance and so on. those precautions aren't going away, anytime soon. >> that's absolutely correct, and absolutely important. we don't know, if somebody gets vaccinated, the -- the endpoints for the phase-three studies were not about transmission.
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they were about siymptomatic disease. but it's very possible someone can have the disease, still replicate in -- in -- in their nose and mouth. and people could still spread it, potentially. >> now, i really want to get to this point because a vaccine is a major arrow in the quiver, if you like. but controlling the spread is months away, realistically. i know, you have argued that, instead of waiting for the longer tests that people are taking in the u.s., the government should be making the rapid and simple tests available for people, at home, as often as they want. explain the benefit of that. >> that's absolutely correct. for this virus, if we actually want to stop this virus from spreading before everyone has access to a vaccine, we need to change the paradigm of testing. we need to let people know when they are infected. so, tests need to be frequent. they need to be fast. and importantly, they need to be accessible.
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and if we can make that happen with simple, paper-strip, antigen tests, then we can get these into people's homes. and we can have huge numbers of people test themselves, in the privacy of their own home, multiple times per week, and stop the spread. >> what -- what about the issue of reliability of those -- those -- those tests? speak to that, and why people shouldn't, you know, be overly concerned about that, given the pluses. >> sure, there's been a lot of confusion about the reliability of these tests. but in general, that confusion was born from comparing them to the pcr test. but what's important is that, much of the time that people are pcr positive, they are post-transmission. they are done transmitting. these tests are transmission-indicating tests. they will detect you when you are likely contagious, and they do a very good job at that. greater than 90% sensitivity. greater than 99% specificity. and so, the speed that these
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tests give results back and the frequency of which they can be taken, much, much more than makes up for any loss in sensitivity. >> you say if more than 50% of the population tests themselves in this way, we can achieve the so-called herd-like effects far quicker. explain that. >> absolutely. so, what we need to do to stop herd -- to stop this virus is we need to attain herd effects. you can do that through vaccination to stop people spreading onwards to others. you can also do it by getting tests into people's hands, frequently, so they do not spread it to others. they don't need to be perfect. you just need to have about 50% of people testing themselves, on a regular basis, that we can actually get fewer people infected by each, individual person, rather than more. we'll have exponential decline in the virus, at the population
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level. rather than what we have seen, which is an explosion of cases and an exponential increase. >> i mean, the -- the -- there is the staringly obvious question, this is being done in other countries. why has it not been done here in the u.s.? this is cheap. i think you've got a test there, isn't it? >> absolutely. this is one of the -- this is one of the cheapest tests we can make. or cheapest actions we could take to really control the virus. it's one of these little, paper strip tests is inside this cartridge. these, however, are being blocked by the fda currently because the fda looks at every test as a clinical-medical device that needs to be prescribed by a physician. if we want to get these out to homes, we need to have a change in the regulatory patterns of the fda. we need to have them see these as the public-health tools that they are, and not have them barricaded and behind a medical
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prescription. >> it does really seem like a no-brainer. hopefully, your argument gets some traction because the u.s., certainly, needs it. dr. michael mina, thanks so much. really appreciate it. >> thank you. now, as people hold out hope for vaccines. the pandemic, of course, continues to surge in countries across the world. in south korea, health officials are trying to cope with the highest number of daily-covid cases since the pandemic began. they're reporting more than 1,000 confirmed infections, from saturday. now, in europe, the german chancellor plans to meet, in the coming hours, with local leaders over a possible, nationwide lockdown. meanwhile, president trump's long-shot chances at overturning the election are in the rear view. he's still on the attack, though. what he is saying about the supreme court and his own attorney general when we come back. my kids, they know i'm a scientist. but it's hard to explain to them what i do every day. ♪
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counter-protestors gathered in the capital. the large demonstrations were mostly peaceful, during the day. but videos have been circulating on social media of scuffles that broke out, sporadically. on monday, the electoral college will meet in state capitals around the country and make joe biden's victory official. but, that's not stopping president trump from continuing to spread baseless claims about november's vote. nor, is it keeping him from attacking his own supporters. boris sanchez with more from washington. >> reporter: president trump spent saturday, mostly, focused on the 2020 election. and myth making. repeating false claims that the 2020 election was rigged, and stolen from him. and now, the president is focusing his ire on those in his administration, and elsewhere, that are refusing to go along with this fantasy. on saturday, president trump, tweeting that the supreme court acted disgracefully, in dismissing that lawsuit from the
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state of texas and other states, trying to overturn the election results in pennsylvania and a number of other states. president, also, focused on his attorney general, william barr. cnn reported, earlier this month, that president trump was furious with barr, after the attorney general revealed, in "the associated press," that he did not believe that there was any widespread election fraud. there was no evidence of widespread election fraud. cnn has learned that president trump, at that point, contemplated potentially firing the attorney general, but was talked out of it by aides, ultimately, suggesting that he was so close to january 20th and a new administration, that it wouldn't be worth it. now, the president is, again, revisiting the idea, after news that attorney general william barr worked to keep news that the department of justice was investigating president-elect joe biden's son, hunter, under raps. barr following precedent and policy at doj, to not reveal any
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sort of information about a candidate or their family members being under investigation, around election time. the president, tweeting this. quote. why didn't bill barr reveal the truth to the public before the election about hunter biden? joe was lying on the debate stage that nothing was wrong or going on. press confirmed. big disadvantage for republicans at the polls. that truth there, the president is alluding to, a bit nebulous, at best. nevertheless, this is history repeating itself. remember, president trump frequently berated his former attorney general, jeff sessions, on twitter, because sessions did not do his bidding. and ultimately, recused himself from the russia investigation. that went on for the better part of a year, before president trump ultimately fired sessions, replacing him with barr. now, we find ourselves in a similar situation with the current attorney general. sources close to the two men say that the communication between them is virtually nonexistent.
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that, there has been a breakdown between the two of them. they likened it to a cold war between the two men. at this point, we understand the president has mused about firing barr. it is unclear that he will, so close to a new administration on january 20th. boris sanchez, cnn, at the white house. >> patrick heely is a cnn political analyst and a "new york times" politics editor. he joins me, now, from new york. good to see you again, patrick. we have all seen the president's behavior, postelection and preelection, for that matter, casting doubt not just on results of the election but the whole system of voting. i'm curious, your take on whether there will be lingering effects for democracy, for the electoral process, going forward? >> i think there are going to be lingering effects for the republican party. you just saw, in the last few days, by the 126 republican house members, 18 republican attorneys general, other members of the party, getting behind president trump in this legal
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effort to overturn the election and undermine confidence in democracy. and i think there is going to be a period, where those republicans are going to have to kind of answer for their stand. now, in terms of the -- the system of democracy, in a lot of ways, michael, it really held. you had dozens of court cases that president trump and his lawyers put forward, that had little to no evidence attached to them. and judges rejected them, over and over and over, again. and, you know, president trump tried -- tried to lean on republican legislatures to appoint trump electors for the electoral college meeting. they didn't do that. so, in a lot of ways, the system worked. but the lingering impact may be for republicans who enabled trump. >> yeah. i guess, a lot of people are wondering, worried, that, this -- this sort of challenging
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of validity and -- and, you know, mail-in ballots and voter i.d., and a long, laundry list of things, down to drop boxes. whether that's going to become the norm, now, in republican arguments about elections. i mean, the president tweeting on saturday, we have just begun to fight. which, you know, seems to be a bit of a call to arms. >> yeah. you're already seeing efforts by republicans in pennsylvania and wisconsin and georgia. three states, that joe biden won, looking at restricting some of those measures that you mentioned. that made it easier for people to vote in the pandemic. that expanded the -- the ranks of voters, this year. so, they are, already, looking at making -- making possible pullbacks on voting. but, one strange thing here, michael, is that republicans actually did quite well, down ballot. they did better than expected on house seats. you know, they -- they held on
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to some senate seats that -- that they thought that they would lose. so, pulling back on the ease of voting for republicans may actually not be such a good idea, since it did seem to help them. >> yeah. well, make it harder for traditional-democrat areas to vote could work well for them, though. that's what a lot of people -- i -- i'm wondering, do you have concerns about his more passionate followers? i mean, those -- we've seen them out on the streets all over. washington and elsewhere today. those that will just not accept joe biden's victory, no matter what. the majority of republicans say that the election was a fraud. i mean, what does that mean for the next four years? >> no, it's going to make it challenging for joe biden. there's -- there's no question. like you said, majority of republicans are holding on to these views of suspicion. you know, joe biden, you know, his history, has been reaching out to the other side. so, he may -- he talks about trying to unify the country. but, michael, that is so hard to
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do. the country is so deeply polarized. and president trump really did spend the last four years worsening that polarization. sort of, convincing republicans that democrats were out to get them. that the news media was out to get them. so, it's -- it's going to be a hard road. and the reality is is that the republican leaders who remain in the party want to still be, you know, popular with that base of support that trump has. so, crossing trump still becomes a difficult thing, even with him out of office. >> yeah. at -- at what cost, of course? patrick heely, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks, michael. >> it is decision day, in brussels, talks have been going on through the night to try to avoid a no-deal brexit. government -- british government source describing the trade negotiations between the uk and the european union as difficult. we expect to hear a progress report, in the coming hours. the british prime minister, boris johnson, meanwhile, been
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getting an earful over the past dozen months or so. despite a landslide election a year ago, which he won, he seemed to stumble from crisis to crisis during the covid-19 pandemic. nic robertson explains. >> reporter: boris johnson has had a tough year and it shows. his party, in rebellion, as waves of covid-19 pandemic battering britain, worse than most other nations. >> we did it. >> reporter: yet, a year ago, surfing electoral success. >> i am humbled that you have put your trust in me. >> reporter: a massive, 80 mp majority. then, came covid-19's first wave. >> i was at a hospital, the other night, where i think there were actually a few coronavirus patients. and i shook hands with everybody. >> reporter: johnson, slow to
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grasp the gravity. >> you must stay at home. >> reporter: slow to lock down. slow on ppe. slow on test and trace. >> i've taken a test that has come out positive. >> reporter: days later, rushed to hospital. >> nhs has saved my life, no question. >> reporter: by mid-december, more than 60,000 of his citizens, not so lucky. many, in care homes, lost their lives to covid-19. and through it all, johnson losing credibility. >> anyone who cannot work from home should be actively encouraged to go to work. >> reporter: his return-to-work message, ridiculed. >> if you can work from home, go to work. go outside. don't go outside. >> reporter: his chief adviser flouting lockdown guidelines. >> we agreed to go for a short drive to see if i could drive safely. >> reporter: but managed to hold on to his job for another six months. >> i'm just hoping the
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government make a -- a u-turn. >> reporter: humiliating u-turns, including over free meals for school children. >> this is not a return to normality. i wish it was so. >> reporter: by year's end, the country, his party, deeply divided over his handling of covid-19. the pandemic, not his only controversy. >> the government is acting recklessly and irresponsibly. >> reporter: drawing unprecedented rebuke from his predecessor. following his plans to break terms of a legal brexit treaty with the eu. >> to the other countries of the eu, scotland wants to return, and we hope to do so, soon, as an independent-member state. >> reporter: and worse, scotland's drive for independence, gaining momentum. their leader's handling of covid-19, perceived better than his. humiliating infamy for johnson,
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should the 300-year union uncouple on his watch. >> i do think it's vital that everybody now gets ready for that australian option. >> reporter: and on the other union, brexit leaving the eu. almost 11 months of talks, still no trade deal. >> we're not stopping. the talks will continue to negotiate. >> reporter: less than 20 days to go, time running out. failure could lead to economic pain. yet, amazingly, in a year packed with drama, he added more at home. a divorce, a betrothal, and a baby. for a man who once dreamed of being king of the world, the weight of it is, surely, on his shoulders now. nic robertson, cnn, london. for international viewers, tomorrow transformed is next.
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welcome back, everyone. i'm michael holmes. you're watching cnn "newsroom." the u.s., preparing for a huge coronavirus vaccine rollout, once the cdc director gives the final, green light. with the first doses of the pfizer/biontech vaccine set for delivery, on monday. and doctors say they hope it will be the beginning of the end of the pandemic. but the situation, right now, is pretty dire. have a look at that map, there. more than 16 million cases of coronavirus, in the u.s. more than 297,000 people have
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died. it took the nation more than eight months to reach 8 million cases, but less than two months to double that. as if 2020 hasn't been tough enough, the cdc's eviction moratorium, well, that expires on december 31st, leaving more than 14 million american households, not people, households, at risk of eviction. they're burdened with an estimated $25 billion of rental debt. and help, not in sight, as negotiations over relief continue to stall in congress. cnn's rosa fluoresores talked t of those millions of americans facing eviction and he admitted to her he needs help. have a look. >> reporter: since his wife died in 2012, john ayers counts his blessings, like bella and bear. and his job as an insurance
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agent. you were earning good money. >> i was making a salary. >> reporter: enough to pay $2,000 rent on a house in ft. lauderdale, florida. and because of his severe arthritis and diabetes, an uber driver, to get around. but a few months after the pandemic broke, john lost his job, exhausted his savings on rent, medicines, and utilities, and was slapped with an eviction notice. >> i need help. the first time i've said it. i need help. because i am about to be homeless. >> reporter: like millions of americans, john could be homeless on new year's day, when the cdc's order halting evictions expires. >> and right now, i can't.
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>> reporter: while he can't afford his medications, he's not worried about himself. >> it's the thought of being out there with a dog because i'm not putting my dog down. >> this is a residential eviction for nonpayment of rent. >> reporter: county judge robert lee says evictions in broward county could triple in the first three months of 2021, from 5,000 to 15,000. and in the case of some landlords. >> they are almost in the same, desperate position, as the tenant is. >> reporter: to meet skyrocketing demand, the court has moved judges who try crimes, medical and insurance claims, to evictions. pro bono attorneys are going where the need is great. food lines. to help tenants fight to stay in their homes. >> so, you're looking for a shelter. >> reporter: but the call volume at this homeless shelter in miami-dade county, increased from 800 calls a month, on average, to 1,200 last month.
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and the homeless population is already growing. >> the fear of that turning into thousands upon thousands drives me completely crazy. i -- i cannot almost have the conversation, without breaking down over what it means. >> reporter: as for john, he's looking for a job. >> upload my resume to these places. >> reporter: and counting a new blessing. fast ice now drives him, free of charge. >> you're a good man, brother. you are a good man. >> reporter: a man, desperate for a miracle. rosa flores, cnn, ft. lauderdale, florida. >> diane is the president and ceo of the national low-income housing coalition. she joins me, now. this is such a crazy situation. just -- just what could be the impact of the eviction moratorium expiring, in a human sense? give us a sense of the
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magnitude. i know you talk about an eviction tsunami. >> sure. well, it's very clear that, if the federal government doesn't act and act soon, that we are facing the possibility of tens of millions of people losing their homes, this winter, during this height of covid-19. and the consequences of that would be catastrophic for children and families, for communities, and for our country's ability to contain the pandemic. you know, and evictions can be really, profoundly traumatizing and destabilizing. they lead to increased financial insecurity. they lead to harmful health consequences. and certainly, now, during the pandemic, increased evictions will lead to increased spread of and potentially deaths from covid-19. >> yeah. i mean, the housing issue. what -- what it's done has put, yet another, spotlight on how coronavirus has basically
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exposed inequality in america. racial, health inequalities, but financial, too, as you say. we see the lines for food handouts. we see these evictions looming. and meanwhile, of course, congress not doing its job. >> yes. there has been, really, a shocking and shameful failure on the part of the federal government to respond to covid-19. i mean, from allowing it to spread, so uncontrollably, in the first place. to really failing to protect low-income americans from the financial fallout. you know, low-income renters, they know well what the consequences are if they are unable to pay the rent. so, they do everything they can to make sure they do pay that bill. and that, often, means foregoing other necessities. so, like, store-bought food, which is why we're now seeing just this overwhelming demand at food banks. and it means other -- other tradeoffs, too. it means, maybe, not buying that
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expensive medication that they or their kids need. or it means not paying the internet bill, despite their kids needing that in order to get to virtual school. and renters are just really stretched very thin. >> absolutely. and the other thing, too, is i think you know we are talking about the moratorium expiring. but the pandemic's already seen evictions, right? i think i read in texas, alone, 17,000 evictions have been initiated since the pandemic began. 300,000 more could be coming. and that's just texas. >> that's right. the cdc eviction moratorium, generally speaking, is doing what it was intended to do. which is, keep tens of millions of people, who would otherwise be evicted, housed during the pandemic. but it's flawed and there are holes through which renters are falling. and evictions are proceeding. there's been at least 150,000 evictions, nationally, that have occurred during the pandemic. now, if the cdc eviction moratorium does expire, we're looking at anywhere from 12 to
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17 million households, with up to 40 million people within them, potentially, losing their homes this winter. >> and just quickly, and finally, you touched on this earlier. but you have equated housing to healthcare. this is a health issue. explain that. >> yes. housing is healthcare. absolutely. even before covid-19, there was a very clear connection between homelessness and housing instability and harmful-health consequences, from everything from diabetes and asthma, to mental-health challenges. and certainly, now, our homes are our best protection during this global pandemic. and when our collective health depends on our ability to stay in our homes, you know, we all have a stake in ensuring that tens of millions of people don't lose theirs. >> yeah. a terrible number.
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i think renters, right now, owe an estimated $70 billion in back rent, let alone what's to come. diane, thank you so much, appreciate the work you're doing. >> thank you. now, as coronavirus cases continue to surge in the united states, a vaccine, of course, can't come soon enough. so, how do you get it to hundreds of millions of people? we'll look at the massive plan to ship it throughout the country, after the break.
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a warehouse in the u.s. state of michigan is prepared to start shipping millions of doses of the pfizer/biontech vaccine, this weekend. some americans could be getting the shot, as soon as monday. dianne gallagher, with the latest on these massive logistics plan. >> reporter: as a race to distribute the pfizer vaccine in the united states is set to begin, there -- there are different parts of the logistics, the process of actually getting that vaccine to hospitals and nursing homes and -- and government agencies
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that have taken months to plan. different carriers, like fedex and ups, are going to take that vaccine, and ship it all over the country to try and get it to people who need it, quickly. now, there are three different aspects to this. of course, temperature. much has been made about the fact that this vaccine must be kept in extremely-cold conditions. we're talking negative-94 degrees fahrenheit. and timing. fedex has said that it's using bluetooth and gps to make sure that it has eyes on these packages of vaccines, everywhere they go, every step of the way. to make sure they get there as quickly as possible. and then, there's the transit. and that's because airports, across the country, have been told by the faa to prepare for these vaccine flights, even if they're not expecting them. now, one airport that has been told to potentially expect those vaccines is ford airport in grand rapids, michigan. and, stephen, proximity wise,
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it's very close to kalamazoo, where pfizer is shipping a lot of these vaccines out. but what is it about this airport that has made you i guess ideal for vaccine distribution? >> yeah. so, it's all about infrastructure. when carriers are looking to transport the vaccine, not only here in the united states but globally, it's all about runways, air cargo facilities. here at the ford airport, we have a 10,000-foot runway. we handle wide-body domestic air cargo flights every single day of the week. so, it's just business as usual for us. just another day in the office. >> and i know you guys have been planning for this, for about a month now. it's been kind of emotional, as well, right? >> yeah, slotlabsolutely. i think for us, our industry's been impacted so much by covid. many of our colleagues, loved ones, they're laid off, furloughed, changed jobs. so, to have an opportunity to be on the starting line of heroes,
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you know, we think of healthcare workers, we think of nurses. we think of, you know, scientists, all these folks. the fact that transportation gets to be a part of that story, and putting a beginning to the end of this terrible pandemic, it's pretty incredible. >> i know ford airport have spoken, been in talks with at least four international carriers in terms of the vaccine. of course, a lot of this is still shrouded in secrecy, and there is massive security involved in the vaccine distribution here, in the united states, and worldwide. dianne gallagher, cnn, grand rapids, michigan. well, it was a bombshell interview in the bbc is still feeling the fallout. princess diana sat down with the broadcaster, 25 years ago. why that is stirring new controversy, now. we'll have that, when we come back. (customer) hi?
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separated for nearly three years, when she shared intimate details of her failed marriage. cnn royal correspondent, max foster, reports on all the new scrutiny. >> reporter: it was the interview that rocked the monarchy, and was a factor in the breakdown of your marriage? >> well, there were three of us in this marriage, so, it was a bit crowded. >> reporter: confirmation that prince charles's extramarital relationship with camilla parker bowles and admission of her own infidelity. diana went on to question charles's suitability to be king. it seemed like one of the great journalistic coups and scoops of the decade, if not the century. >> reporter: why did diana do the interview? how was she convinced to lift the lid on what was really going on behind palace walls?
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>> why have you decided to give this interview now? why have you decided to speak at this time? >> reporter: the recurring allegation is that martin bashir knew exactly why. that he had used forged documents that suggested the palace staff were working against her and being paid to spy on her. a graphic designer then working for the bbc admits he mocked up the statements, but on bashir's instructions and without knowing how the forgeries would be used. >> he started talking to me about needing some bank statements. i asked him, just to sketch me up what he was looking for, because he was always saying, well, i've seen it, i've seen the stuff, but you know, i can't get hold of it and i need copies made of it. >> reporter: diana's brother, charles spencer, claims bashir used the false bank statements to trick him into getting an introduction to diana.
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>> so, his point is that the whole premise of the interview was set up on false and dodgy grounds. it might never have taken place and the whole course of history could have changed. >> reporter: the interview took place and according to the queen's press secretary at the time, the palace was blindsided. >> at the time that we were told about the program that monday morning, it was already in the can and edited for the next week ahead. so, it was my task to bring the queen at windsor and inform her, but of course, without knowing what the content of the interview was, there wasn't much that we could say. >> reporter: behind the scenes, soon after the interview was broadcast, the queen penned a letter to charles and diana, giving her approval for a divorce. a royal source tells cnn. meanwhile, palace staff were instructed to support the princess. >> it was a mixture of not wanting to make it worse as a
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result of the interview, combined with really wanting to start looking at ways in which we could help princess diana to find a way forward in her life that would provide her with more satisfaction and stability and the queen certainly supported the idea that we should be constructive about it. >> reporter: then there was the question of the bbc's conduct. an internal bbc inquiry in 1996 concluded that diana had not been misled. documents were forged, the inquiry found, it play no role in diana's decision-making. but charles spencer has continued to fake his case against those findings. and the corporation's new director general, tim davey, has committed to a fresh, independent investigation, led by a retired senior judge. davey said the bbc is taking this very seriously and we want to get to the truth. in a wider bbc statement, they
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said we'll do everything possible to get to the bottom of this. in an unusual intervention, diana's son, prince william, has publicly welcomed the reinvestigation. he said it should help establish the truth behind the actions that led to the panorama interview and subsequent decisions taken by those in the bbc at the time. in 25 years, bashir hasn't defended himself publicly. he hasn't responded to our request for comment, either. but in another statement, the bbc said that bashir is signed off work by his doctors, recovering from heart surgery and complications from covid-19. for 25 years, there have been calls from within the palace, but also within the bbc for a full, independent investigation into exactly how martin bashir secured the biggest media interview in modern british history. where was the oversight? was it ethical for the bbc to investigate itself? was there a coverup?
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>> on the human level, there's a valid interest on the extent to which perhaps, you know, the methods used to get the interview might have added to the prince sess's concerns thate was being followed or being monitored or had her phone being listened to, whatever it may be, which would have increased her anxieties. >> reporter: if it's found that diana and her brother were convinced by the bbc to think she was being spied on, it raises the questions if her path would have been different in the final months and years of her life. this new investigation may also call into question the core values of accuracy and fairness for the public broadcaster, at a time when the bbc is trying to te nowsch gait a future funding package with the british government. its publicly funded model is being called into question.
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the media landscape has changed beyond recognition since ma tin bashir sat down 25 years ago with princess diana. max foster, cnn, bbc headquarters, london. gridiron history was made saturday in vinder built's 42-17 loss to tennessee. that's where sarah fuller became the first woman to score in u.s. college football's elite power five conferences. this was her second time kicking for ander built, but her first time scoring with a successful extra point after a touchdown. fuller also serves as the goalie for the vanderbilt women's soccer team. good for her. well done. thanks for watching cnn newsroom. i'm michael holmes. stick around, if you like. i'll be back with more news in just a moment.
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