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a record day for all the wrong reasons. the u.s. sets covid records for deaths, new cases and hospitalizations. also. >> i didn't believe it, that it could be this bad, she admitted. i thought i'd just get through it, even if i caught it. >> we take you inside a maternity ward for mothers who have tested positive for the coronavirus. and more than 60 million
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americans are hunkering down as a major winter storm rolls through the east coast. live from cnn world headquarters in atlanta. welcome to all of you, our viewers in the united states, canada and around the world. i'm kim brunhuber. this is cnn newsroom. as the total number of coronavirus cases in the u.s. approaches 17 million, more covid deaths were reported in the country on wednesday than ever before in a single day. more than 3,600 lives were lost. wednesday also saw the most positive tests ever recorded in one day, more than 247,000 new infections across the u.s. now, some of those people will end up needing intensive medical care in a system already
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buckling under the strain. 113,000 patients are being treated for covid across the country. the good news, a second vaccine is likely to skrojoin the battl soon. we get more from cnn's sara murray. >> reporter: optimism is growing as a second coronavirus vaccine could be on the way. the food and drug administration's independent advisory committee meeting to assess moderna's vaccine. >> we're looking at 95% efficacy on this vaccine. 100% at preventing severe illness. >> reporter: if the fda authorizes the vaccine, 6 million doses could begin shipping out soon after. because it doesn't require the same ultra storage as pfizers, it's slated to broader delivery to 3,000 sites nationwide, including rural areas and long-term care facilities. it will be months before the
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vaccine is available to most of the public. >> we're immunizing for impact our most vulnerable. >> reporter: officials say they don't know how many people have been vaccinated nationwide. >> i can't tell you how many have gotten it. >> reporter: today the first nursing homes are receiving the pfizer vaccine. all of this while the outbreak worsens. in new york, hospitals are going into crisis management mode as officials warn shut downs could be ahead. >> is it closed down, possible in january, yes. >> reporter: california activated its mass fatality plan, purchasing 5,000 body bag. >> this is a deadly disease. we are not at the finish line yet. >> reporter: as officials continue to plead with americans to lay low. >> avoid crowded spaces, whether that's a bar or a house party of 100 people, you can't do it. this is a set up for spread.
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>> reporter: they are warning a vaccine will bring life back to normal if 70% of people take it. >> vaccines won't make covid away overnight, but they give us a real chance to finally overcome it. >> reporter: but many americans are still hesitant. >> the challenge is the acceptance on the part of various elements of our society. minority populations understandably have somewhat of a skepticism. >> reporter: the goal is to get as many doses of these vaccines as possible out to the american people as quick as possible. to that end, the trump administration is negotiating with pfizer over buying 100 million doses of the company's coronavirus vaccine. one sticking point, pfizer is having difficulty accessing raw materials. both sides say it's possible the federal government could use the defense production act to speed the process along. pfizer is saying they can't deliver the doses until the
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third quarter, the trump administration saying we need these by the second quarter. sara murray, cnn washington. joining me now is dr. desmond carter an emergency room physician at lifelong care. thank you so much for joining us. the situation in california is breaking all kinds of records, cases, hospitalizations, icu admissions at an all time high. you're in the e.r., tell me what you're seeing. >> actually, i'm in the urgent care, but to that end, our numbers are doubling as well and as for today, as winter approaches, we have doubled in volume today, and i saw at least 40% of the patients who had symptoms consistent with covid and i would expect that 50% of them would probably be diagnosed as covid positive. >> and, you know, during the last big spike in july, you got
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in front of a podium and said our rights are going to kill us, our rights not to wear a mask, that's bs, is going to kill us. you were frustrated and angry back then. are you still seeing the same thing? >> i would suggest that probably in public we do better, but in private, i'm not so convinced. from the high ranking officials as the president down through community organizations and what we do at home. i don't think that we are protecting ourselves as we should, so in public, people go to the grocery store, they wear masks, blah blah blah, but when they go home, they do what they want to do, and the continuum of the spread. >> i was wondering, you know, california has some of the strictest rules but also the worst covid rates. you know, is it just that people are gathering together too much, not when they're necessarily
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going out to get the groceries and so on as you say. gathering with too many people or going out at night, what's to blame here. >> i would say all of the above, mainly people are not abiding by the rules again while they're private. in public, they show a good hand of wearing their mask and social distancing at the grocery store because they are provided with a very conservative protocol to ensure not spreading the virus. when they're home, people do what they want to do, and so that's why i believe tom cruise as well as others have gotten pissed off as i was and still am about what we're doing at home and in private. >> you know, the vaccine obviously given the numbers couldn't some soon enough, but experts, including dr. fauci say one of the biggest challenges going forward will be vaccine hesitancy, particularly in minority communities. what are you telling people, what's your message to those who
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might be suspicious of this vaccine? >> i'm blessed that i was able to read the new england journal of medicine. they put out an article that i received on december 15th, so i like to just state what the objective data and scientists have stated. from the new england journal of medicine, it is stating that the vaccine is relatively safe. they went across the board as far as demographics, race, class, sex, gender socioeconomics and found this to be relatively safe. in the actions of a cure, prevention is the best thing. i think we should go for it and take the vaccine, and i'm happy they're starting to distribute it to health care providers. >> is there a different sort of message or is there some special outreach that needs to be done particularly in those communities that are, you know, suspicious of the health care system, for example? >> oh, of course.
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i mean, i read the tuskegee experiment, and i'm well aware of what goes on with the medicine and practice of medicine, where practice should be underlined. people are cautious because they know their history but in the scenario whereby we are disproportionate disproportionately affected as far as death rates in latino, black, and let's not forget our native american brothers and sisters that we should probably at this point step up first. >> thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. dr. desmond carson. >> thank you very much for having me. now one of the early lessons from the vaccination campaign is that some vaccine viles hold more than the standard five doses. the fda is looking into the matter. in the meantime, it's okay for health care workers to get as many doses as possible from each
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vile. cnn's dr. sanjay gupta explains. >> so they have these viles. they're supposed to have five doses, it's a frozen liquid that comes in. when they get to the hospital, pharmacy, wherever it's going, they thought and at that point they then take some of the liquid out, a said amount, and they dill luute it with saline. that's what you see in syringes, going into people's arms. what they're finding is there's more of the solution in the viles to make up more than five doses of the vaccine. the fda looked at this and said based on the fact that it's a preservative free solution, there does seem to be enough for an additional dose, two additional doses, given there's high demand and little supply, go ahead and do it if you can. basically that's the message they're hearing. >> another major challenge for parts of america this hour, severe winter weather. more than 60 million people on the east coast are under a winter storm warning or advisory and more than 1,300 u.s. flights
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have been cancelled. new york is anticipating the most snow it's seen in four years. heavy snowfall earlier cause add 27 car pile up in the city. thankfully there were no critical injuries. the nypd tweeted this. >> good evening, everyone, i'm deputy assistant dice. i'm the commander of highway 1. if you don't need to be out, stay home. i'm on the scene of a 19-car collision on the hudson. please stay home. thank you. >> our meteorologist pedram javaheri joins us with the latest. as we can see, it looks hairy. the storm is causing a big mess. how bad is it going to get? >> you know, we're seeing the peak of it here across some of these areas around the northeast and really throughout much of the morning hours we'll begin to see conditions improve quickly. that's the good news with the storm system. it is moving as fast as they get here. we'll see it exit stage right as
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we go into the afternoon and evening hours, and get sunny skies across portions of the northeast on the backside of this. the concern is it's going to remain windy. accumulations are impressive and just some of the latest observations as of the 1:00 a.m. tallies there. upwards of 20 inches has come down, and been around portions of central park and into philly as well. 6 inches and could see a few more inches on top of this as well. you look at the radar imagery, and you notice a distinctive line with the rain/know on the eastern periphery. anywhere on the coast, say along long island, a lot of areas seeing mostly rain. back behind this, transitioning into heavy snow in place. really, that line ends up placed over your region dictates the amount of snow you'll get as the system pushes off to the north and east. pretty expansive area of coverage with the amount of people set to be impacted. when it's all said and done, we think as much as 2 feet could be seen in the highest accumulation
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zoneses and right on t zones, and right on the coast, beach erosion as much as 2 to 3 feet. values in the delmarva region and coastal new jersey as well. notice this, anytime you get into the purple contours, i told you, this is a serious storm system. 24 inches is not something to sneeze at. we're looking at winter season getting underway, four or five days from now. the latter stages of autumn, we're getting a significant storm system. it pushes offshore as we get into friday morning, expecting the winds to finally begin dying downme down. could see a lot of snow on the ground. >> scary that winter hasn't begun yet. thank you so much, pedram javaheri, appreciate it. we're following two very different political worlds. hundreds of president trump's allies are asking for a pardon, while president-elect biden is picking more cabinet members for
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after months of bitter stalemate u.s. congressional leaders are nearing a deal on the $900 billion coronavirus stimulus package. it's expected to provide $300 a week in benefits for the unemployed. up to $330 billion for small business loans and money for vaccine distribution. the deal includes a new round of stimulus checks expected to be $600 per person, but senator bernie sanders says that isn't enough to help struggling americans. >> do i think $600 is where we should be? no, i think we should be $1,200 in direct payment for every working class adult in this country and 600 bucks for their kid but we're making some progress, and we're going to continue that fight. >> cnn joins us right now with more details. a deal seems tantalizeingly close.
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it can't come fast enough for a growing number of americans. >> this is the closest we have been to a deal, and both sides of the aisle agree it has to be done with a sense of urgency. you're absolutely right. we're running out of time. washington is officially under pressure to try to get this done before friday, and of course voted on the house and the senate floor as well. so here's where we stand right now. we know that the house speaker, nancy pelosi, as well as trashy secretary steven mnuchin, and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell concluded a meeting at 10:30 p.m. last night, and this is pretty vital. they have been saying that they are committed to not going home until they find a resolution here. talks are expected to continue on thursday morning, and they have also said they exchanged paperwork. when we're talking about paperwork, we're talking about
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600 pages long. documents. remember that the overall bipartisan package is just over $900 billion. a few months ago, we were talking about democrats wanting a $2 trillion package, so it is waer watered down, it's very much smaller than what we had initiated. there are sticking points, liability protection for businesses, and aid to state and local governments, but the question here is what will happen to the 12 million americans that are going to be running out of unemployment insurance benefits the day after christmas. millions of americans face eviction in january. it's going to be a tough month in january if they don't put this into motion before friday. >> they have really got to get this done. listen, thank you so much for breaking it down for us. appreciate it. donald trump's final weeks in the white house could include a number of presidential pardons. apparently so many people have been contacting the west wing seeking pardons or commutations
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that staffers have had to create a spreadsheet to keep track of the requests. at the same time, sources say the president pushing for the appointment of special counsels to investigate his baseless ask sayings of voter fraud and allegations surrounding hunter biden, and an advisory says mr. trump knows his days in the white house are numbered and he's quote lashing out and throwing a temper tantrum. the white house declined to comment. meanwhile, a calmer environment within joe biden's count. the president-elect has been picking more members to fill out his administration. on wednesday, he named former political rival pete buttigieg as his nominee for secretary of transportation, and he may decide next week on his choice for america's top law enforcement official. biden reportedly has narrowed the field to a list of front runners, including judge merrick garland, and u.s. senator doug jones. the president-elect also is keeping the pandemic a top priority. he's expected to get a covid-19
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vaccine as soon as next week. he wants to show the country a vaccine is safe to take. to discuss all of this and more, let's bring in leslie with chatham house, an international think tank base instead london, and an exert in transatlantic relations and the u.s. role in the world. thank you so much for joining us again. i want to start with what matters to americans, covid relief. both parties seem close. crucially, there won't be help for cities and states but it's likely to include a second round of stimulus checks. what do you think of the deal so far, and what does it say about the state of politics that it's taken so long given the fact that unemployment is rising and more and more americans are having trouble even putting food on the table? >> we know this has been -- this has taken far too long. it has been mired in partisan politics. it seemed at some point, it was inevitable that it would take getting through the election and
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really getting to that confirmation, which we know has taken a lot longer because of the president's refusal to accept the result. so it's smaller than we would like to see, but i think one of the key points here is at least we're seeing that there will be a negotiation. there will be a stimulus. it's better than nothing. it does prepare the ground for the president-elect when he comes into office to negotiate much harder for more. the real shortcoming, as you said, is the fact that it doesn't give that money to states, and to local governments. remember, this is critical for education, for getting kids back to schools, for giving schools the money that they need to open up safely. and president-elect biden has said that this will be his priority in the first 100 days. that's a long way after after families that have had their children at home, makes it harder for people to work. so still, getting that stimulus through, which likes it will happen by the end of the week or through the weekend i think is
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absolutely critical at this point! absolutely. to the never ending election, more and more republicans are finally congratulating biden, urging the president's supporters to accept the election results, but, i mean, does that eventual matter if trump himself doesn't accept it? >> i think it does. i think critically seeing mitch mcconnell finally turn around and accept the result and say to the republicans that it was time to accept the result is crucial. in the house a lot more defen consensus is coming out of the republican party, and everyone has their eye on january 5th flt gravity cannot be under estimated because of the discord it's sewn in the american elect ra
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. 70% of republican voters don't think the election was legitimate. we are seeing that president-elect biden is working behind the scenes to try and forge links with republicans in the senate and across congress. that will be absolutely critical because the domestic policy agenda will be vital. more economic stimulus distributing the vaccine and moving forward with those big questions of infrastructure investment. really being able to work with congress, and that will depend in part on really building bridges across the american electorate. >> we'll see whether that bears fruit. we have reported about the scramble for pardons. if the president does, you know, hand them out like candy. is there a cost to that. i'm wondering in the wake of the crazy election in the last four years, really, people have talked about all sorts of issues. this president has brought up the problems that the president is exposed by, flouting
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traditions. should the pardon power be on the list of things that needs reforming. >> this is going to be one of many issues that i think needs to be looked at. so many of the procedures in the u.s. we have learned over the last four years come down not to the law, but the norms, having those in positions of power respect the integrity of how these instruments should be used. the pardon has an important historical role. making sure people aren't subject to partisan politics. it's been overused. i think there's a real risk in the days ahead. we'll wait and see. certainly it's something that people are watching. >> always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much. covid-19 is creating new hardships for pregnant mothers
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and welcome back to all of you, our viewers in the united states, canada and around the world, i'm kim brunhuber, and you're watching cnn newsroom. the world health organization is warning of another wave of covid-19 in europe early next year. in the uk, where new cases are spiking again, prime minister is urging people to avoid large christmas gatherings but the
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relaxed holiday rules will stay in place. london's paymayor criticized th decision not to restrict travel. >> we have seen across the globe, people making sacrifices. the pilgrimage celebrated differently. hanukkah, our concern is the relaxation our prime minister to allow households to meet, allow travel across the uk over five days could lead to another surge in this virus. >> cnn's salma abdelaziz joins us from london. as the mayor says there, it seems like poor timing to relax the rules. what's been the reaction? >> well, kim, the prime minister is really trying here not to be the grinch that cancelled christmas because about a month ago, the government announced there would be a special
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christm christmas time dispensation of five days when social restrictions would be eased to allow households to mix. up to three households can form their own christmas bubble, celebrate together, have dinner together, go to church, whatever they like. it was seen at the time as a treat, as everyone was coming out of lock down. now of course the country is dealing with a spike in coronavirus cases and the prime minister has been under pressure to reverse this plan, but yesterday in parliament, he was insistent to go ahead with this. and said that it was up to people really to take the responsibility to be very careful. take a listen to what he said. >> we don't want to criminalize people's long made plans, but we do think it's absolutely vital that people should at this very tricky time exercise a high degree of personal responsibility, especially when they come into contact with elderly people, and avoid contact with elderly people
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wherever possible, and that is how -- that is how by being sensible and cautious, not by imposing lock downs or cancelling christmas. >> reporter: now, you hear the prime minister really there, shifting responsibility from the authorities to the individual saying that it's up to people to make sure they're making the right decisions. now it's important to remember here this is contradictory to medical advice. there was an op-ed from britain's two most important medical journals, pleading with the prime minister to change this plan. they say the consequences will be seen in the form of a third wave next year, and hospitals could very well be overwhelmed. kim. >> let's hope not. thank you so much, salma abdelaziz in london. around the world, pregnant women infected with covid-19 are dealing with new challenges as they prepare to give birth. cnn's arwa damon shows us a covid maternity ward in istanbul, and how it's grappling
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with the crisis. >> reporter: at seven days old, all this baby knows is the touch of strangers through latex gloves and hazmat suits, not the feel of his mother's skin or the warmth of her chest. his mother is in the icu with a severe case of covid-19. this is the coronavirus maternity ward at is ttanbul's hospital where the joy of bringing a child into this world is overshadowed by an illness we still know very little about. seven months into her first pregnancy. i didn't believe it, that it could be this bad, she admits. i thought i'd just get through it, even if i caught it. with the swelling of the belly that leads to the thorax getting smaller, trouble breathing is more common in pregnant women than other covid-19 patients.
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clotting is also a bigger issue. one delara was at her worst, unable to talk, walk, breathe, she was terrified for herself, for her unborn child. doctors say they can't give pregnant women anti-virals but they have other medications they can use. if the mother is asymptomatic or has mild symptoms, she can breast-feed, have her baby in the room at a distance. it's her fourth child, but this time, there is no loving family around her. no husband by her side. she didn't find out she was covid positive until she came in for her c section. even now, even though she's okay, she's overcome with mot n emotion. >> i thought if something happens to me, what is going to happen to my kids.
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covid itself itsetakes a psychological toll, partnered with post partum depression, it can take an even bigger one. there needs to be psychological support before and after birth, dr. ebrahim says. even those that are able to go through a natural birth have an unnatural experience. with this plastic barrier lowered around them during the final stage, the final push. her baby, her third, was born prematurely. she was hit hard by the coronavirus, spending days in the icu. there is a line between life and death. at a certain point, you cross that line, and you start to pray for death, she tells us. she clung to life for her children. >> she hasn't seen her baby yet. it's been 15 days since she gave
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birth, and she hasn't seen her baby yet. just these photographs that are on the phone. >> reporter: baby lena is being cared for by relatives. sibel her husband can hear other babies in the ward crying. it's agonizing for them, that longing they have just to hug theirs. >> they just found out she's pcr negative. that's amazing. >> reporter: if the pulmonologist signs off, they can finally go home. arwa damon, cnn, istanbul. >> now to a devastating loss to covid-19. a texas couple, married for 30 years were able to share one final embrace, holding each other's hands and the hands of their children as they passed away. this is paul and rosemary blackwell, with their family during happier times. the family says the middle aged couple who were both teachers died just minutes apart from
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covid-19 complications after two weeks in intensive care. the family made the difficult decision to take them off life support after doctors confirmed there was no chance they would recover. cnn's don lemon spoke with two of their sons, sean and brandon. >> after, you know, us going up to the hospital after they granted us the ability to see them, we were consulting with the hospital staff and they were talking to us about where mom and dad are at, and you know, through my own personal little note keeping, i mean, it just, i kind of knew where it was headed. i just didn't want to believe it. but they told us our options and where mom and dad were at, and just at the rate that they're going, they're not going to make it anytime soon. so that was pretty hard to hear. but i mean, it wasn't an easy
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thing to do by any means. but, you know, me and brandon had each other's backs on that. >> what were you saying, brandon? >> no, that was just saying like my brother said, that was the hardest decision that a child has ever had to make. to say good-bye to a parent, you know, and it still just seems unreal, like me and my brother were talking earlier. my mom and dad are just going to walk through that door any second, but, you know we know that they're not. it's just a hard decision that any child has to make for their parents. like i said, i'm just glad that my brother was there with me, and i was able to lean on him as he was able to lean on me because that was just a crazy experience. >> but they allowed your parents
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to be together? >> yes. >> yeah, they did. we're grateful for the opportunity they were able to be together in their last moments. we all were, same room, they were in the bed together, holding hands as we all were as they took their last breaths. >> paul and rosemary blackwell leave behind five sons and 20 grandchildren. we'll have much more after the break. stay with us. for colon cancer? because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber or an online prescriber if cologuard is right for you. i'll do it. good plan.
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after tom cruise is making headlines after a big outburst on the set of mission impossible 7. but this was no bratty movie star temper tantrum, in a recording, the actor can be heard swearing at crew members and threatening to have them fired for breaking coronavirus social distancing guidelines. cnn's max foster reports. >> reporter: this allegedly happened during the filming of mission impossible 7, just
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outside london by paramount pictures. the son managed to get ahold of a recording on set where you hear tom cruise reprimanding members of the crew for breaking social distancing guidelines in the uk. an expletive coming up. i don't ever want to see it again, he says, ever, and if you don't do it, you're fired. if i see you do it again, you're eing gone and if anybody does it, that's it. two crew members were seen within 6 feet of each other, a clear breach of guidelines in the uk, and goes on to say we are the gold standard, that back there in hollywood they're making movies because of us because they believe in us and what we're doing. we're creating thousands of jobs for people struggling to put food on the table, and pay for college tuition fees. then this comes after an incident earlier in the production of this movie where production had to be stopped in
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italy because of the coronavirus pandemic, allegedly, and apparently according to uk media reports, tom cruise used more than $600,000 of his own money to pay for a ship to allow cast and crew to self-isolate. shows how much he cares about this incident and actually many people on social media, many fellow actors are coming out in support of his concern here. cnn contacted cruise's publicist, we deidn't get a comment. at least in studios run by warner brothers which is part of the same parent company as cnn. max foster, cnn, england. while the tone of tom cruise's message was harsh, one doctor said the actor was right for wanting to enforce coronavirus rules. >> good for him. i think it's exactly right. you know, in america, this is a
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country that was founded on the basis of individual rights and freedoms, and so people claim freedoms like ones they don't have. like this one, for example, it is not your freedom to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection. when people take their mask off like that motorcycle rally in south dakota. that's not their freedom. it affects not only you, but people you come in contact with. good for him. i think he should have that rant on a daily basis and let earn in the country hear this. >> the pandemic has ravaged hollywood fainancially, on top f costs to keep sets safe, theaters have closed. the box office in the u.s. and canada is down almost 80% compared to last year. we have breaking news now. cnn has just learned that french president emmanuel macron has tested positive for covid-19.
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the palace says the president was tested at the first signs of virus symptoms. the palace says mr. macron will isolate himself for seven days, and he'll continue to work and carry out activities remotely. a key case on how college athletes get compensated is headed to the u.s. supreme court. we'll explain what it means and why it matters, next. stay with us. got powerful relieftshift you'e from your worst nighttime cold and flu symptoms. so grab nightshift to fight your symptoms, get your zzz's... and get back to your rhythm. feel the power. beat the symptoms fast. we like clockwork.ht. do it! run your dishwasher with cascade platinum.
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u.s. officials are struggling to determine the extent of the damage after discovering apparent cyber attacks at major u.s. government age agencies. they suspect russia is behind it, and they say it's still going on. here's what we know. the data breach has targeted the departments of agriculture, homeland security, commerce, and reportedly the treasury. the fbi is investigating the same russia-linked group that earlier breached the elite cyber security firm fire eye. the hack came after the national security agency warned about data on protected systems. we have much more on this story on our web site. so check it out at cnn.com. now to a legal case that
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could have huge consequences for college athletics here in the u.s. the u.s. supreme court says it will decide if the country's top body for student athletes, the ncaa broke the law by limiting how much compensation athletes can get. ceo of global sport institute at arizona state university, thank you so much for joining us today. the supreme court has avoided similar cases in the past. the fact that it's taking this case is clearly a huge deal. tell us a bit more about what's at stake here? >> you're right.t college athletics, you have written extensively about that line about what makes an amateur athlete. do any of those arguments have merit? >> not really. i mean, it's really a historic kind of grasp the ncaa made around 1902, 1903, when it formed to grab on to the amateur as a model, which keeps labor
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from being compensated and the idea that there was some ancient greek society that enjoyed sport for the glory of sport alone, where somehow compensation was unethical in some kind of way just didn't really exist. the ncaa argues and there's some merit to this, that the distinction between pro sports in the united states and college sports is this separation of pay versus no pay. compensation versus no compensation. performing sport for the glory of sport alone as opposed to doing it as a profession. that's a uniquely, an american kind of problem. and the supreme courts will finally give some clarity on whethe regulation. >> yeah, and it should be pointed out the coaches are paid often millions of dollars here. if the students at large win here, how will this change college sports as we know it?
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>> it opens the market up. at the most dramatic case, what could happen is the court could say some version of let's see how the markets decide athletes should be compensated at this level. so right now, there's a lot of flexibility in terms of what they can receive in terms of educational benefits but beyond that, can they be compensated otherwise. can schools provide greater revenue to these young men and women to come to their institutions. so that's really what the question becomes, and it's a, you know, strong argument that this is the product that they have created is one that doesn't allow this kind of compensation, and that's really what the supreme court has held previously in the mid 80s in a previous case that looked at this issue, that did decide in the favor of the ncaa. it's going to be an interesting outcome sometime next year. >> it's a fascinating case and i look forward to talking with you again in the future about this.
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ceo of global sport institute at arizona state university. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. n a programming note, cnn and "sesame street" are coming together for a new town hall to help children and parents understand coronavirus and the vaccine. join dr. sanjay gupta, erica hill, and "sesame street's" big bird for the abc's of covid-19. that's this saturday at 10:00 a.m. on the east coast, 3:00 p.m. in london, 11:00 p.m. in hong kong. here of course only on cnn. we want to recap breaking news. cnn has learned that french president emmanuel macron has tested positive for covid-19. the palace says the president was tested at the first signs of the virus symptoms. mr. macron will isolate for seven days, and will continue to work and carry out activities remotely. stay with cnn for a live report from paris coming up. that's it for me, i'm kim brunhuber.
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>> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "early start." i'm laura jarrett. >> and i'm christine romans. it is thursday, december 17th. it is 5:00 a.m. in new york. >> and we begin with the big breaking news this morning. french president emmanuel macron has tested positive for coronavirus after showing symptoms. cnn's melissa bell is live in paris. melissa, nice to see you this morning. what more can you tell us. >> reporter: laura, for the time
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