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i am brianna keilar. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. before we get to the stimulus deal meant to provide relief for families, i want to start with an american crisis unfolding before our eyes. yesterday was the deadliest day of the pandemic, on top of a new record also set for new cases and hospitalizations. cameras can't capture the
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suffering inside hospitals, don't capture the haunting scene in morgues. they can't capture the grief because they can't have memorial services. one hopes her words may capture what it is to watch a loved one day of the virus. she wrote an essay for "the washington post," agreed to read it out loud nfor you, our viewers. >> think of someone you love unconditionally, the person makes your heart full of joy. is it a child or parent, partner, close friend. say their name, take a slow deep breath and close your eyes. picture that person in a hospital bed, machines are beeping, the machine is unconscious on a ventilator, the machine forcing air in their chest, making it rise and fall. the nurse tells you your person spends 21 hours a day on their stomach, but they're up right
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today because today is their day. sometimes they sound an alert because the person is fighting the ventilator, trying to maintain some type of independence. suddenly feels so morbid to think how we casually say so and so was a fighter. picture yourself next to a person holding a cold limp hand that feels heavy because you're doing all of the lifting. catch a glimpse of your reflex, see a full body paper suit, surgical gloves, n95 mask and face shield. a few minutes ago, the nurse asked your glove size, you didn't know how to answer, now the gloves feel too tight. you feel they're telling you how to prepare for your person's transition. nice way of saying your person is going to die now. you will be there when it happens. you feel guilty, because between a deep ache in the chest, you feel an odd comfort knowing they won't be in pain any more. think back to ten days before they were put on the ventilator. couldn't get enough breath. so the two of you played a game
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of yes or no questions to give your person a chance to layout thoughts and end of life wishes without wasting air. back in the intensive care unit with overwhelming beeping. the medical team tells you to look away as they remove the ventilator. they're making noise to keep you from hearing them gasping for air. the room goes quiet. they turned off the machine so beeps and alarms don't further upset you. data doesn't matter any more. you may be desperate to tell your person everything you think they need to hear before they die, you feel guilty about all you have and haven't said. your person gasps, you look at the nurse who assures you it is normal and apologizes for something your person has done, immediately you're jealous, resentful, because this person, nurse, knows your person more than you do now. the nurse tells you your person is gone, shares condolences.
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the words mean nothing as your world numbs. you don't know whether to stay or go. someone has to reexplain strict protocol removing protective equipment. you must remove two tight gloves first, don't touch anything. there's an order and you're scared to deviate. you have people you love in the outside world you need to keep safe. you walk out alone. my experience was friday, november 13th. my person was my dad. his name is george. his name was george. he was funny, giving, frustrated me at times, was overly proud of my brother and i, wore a mask, died of covid-19. george made an impression on people he knew, to know him was to laugh with him. why have i spent the last few days worried he will just be a number. more than 1300 americans died of covid-19 on november 13th. i worry george will be another anonymous statistic presented
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through jokes and memes how awful 2020 was. i need george's death to mean something to strangers just as much as you want the person you love mattered most if they died. all i can do now, only path left is to tell you to take covid-19 seriously. don't end up clutching your person's hands as their body no longer accepts air. >> she said her dad was george. his story, their number is just one. it is just one of the people in that number of total deaths there on the screen, just one. 3,656 of those stories happened yesterday alone. this is a hard time. but there's relief on the horizon. today it is coming in the
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promise of a meeting, an fda advisory panel reviewing a second coronavirus vaccine. this is one from moderna after pfizer got the green light last week. this morning, an fda official says moderna's candidate is expected to get the go ahead as well. the company's medical officer talked about why this new mrna technology used in the vaccine is safe. >> our vaccine uses our body's own cells to activate the immune system. enables these cells to make only the part of the virus critical for the immune system to recognize. our vaccine platform has inherent safety features. manufacturing process does not use products of animal or humor gin, does not contain prever have a tiffs, avoidi concerns o older technologies. >> the dean the tropical medicine at baylor college of
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medicine, co-director of children's hospital center for vaccine development. dr. hotez, we report on the record deaths reported yesterday, get the sense yesterday listening to sarah's words how huge the loss is. >> brianna, it is incredible to think that story has been repeated more than 300,000 times this year. we never had to get to that place. we never had a national control program, national covid containment program. we had deliberate disinformation campaign coming out of the white house that said covid-19 deaths are a hoax or the deaths are due to other causes and fake concepts of herd immunity. while i am a vaccine scientist and pediatrician, and excited about the new vaccines, truth is we were backed into a corner now
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because we never had that national containment program and so many human tragedies of now 3,000 deaths per day like we just heard. now we're left, all we have left is the bio technology solution and vaccines. but that was never the way it was supposed to work. the vaccines were supposed to come along, were going to be helpful ajungts, never vgs to rely on them, and here we are today. thank you for sharing that story. >> thank you to sarah sharing that with us, for writing it and reading it which makes it more impactful. you know, this number, this record reported number of deaths, what is that from, is that the thanksgiving surge? >> you know, there's so much levels of transmission across the country, i don't know how you tell what's a surge or not any more. this is just the way it is going to be for the next few months until we get a significant
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percentage of the population vaccinated. so all of the models coming from ihme and elsewhere saying it will be around 3,000 deaths per day. that's what's happening. so we hit 300,000 deaths this week. we'll hit 400,000 american lives lost by a week or so after the inauguration. it will be tough for the country to recover. that's the number of american gis that lost their lives in world war ii, but happening in a more compressed time frame. this is the hard part now, trying to convince people to maintain social distancing and to wear masks and hang on for a couple more months until we can get them to the other side, get vaccinated. yet we are seeing people being defiant in the middle of the country and southern part of the country. and this has to be the top priority to save as many lives
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now. think how terrible you'll feel if you have to repeat the story we heard from sarah, your father, mother, brother, sister, when you know we kept them safe a few more weeks, they could get vaccinated on the other side, live a normal life. that has to be the top priority as a message. >> you got vaccinated tuesday. it is thursday. how are you feeling? >> i feel fine. you know, there was maybe a little fever that night, didn't bother taking my temperature. felt a little warm, soreness in the arm, little body aches. by mid morning the next day i was absolutely fine. that's the way it will be for most americans. this is not a time to delay getting vaccinated. other than masks and social distancing, the only way you can guarantee you or your loved ones won't wind up in a hospital or intensive care unit is get the virus neutralizing antibodies in
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your system. that's how they all work, they're all doing the same thing. don't overthink it. if you have the opportunity to get a vaccine, get it. >> doctor, wonderful to see you as always. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks, brianna. the coronavirus relief bill so many americans need is still isn't a done deal. now there's controversy over the amount of cash that will be going to americans. plus, what's the president doing today about the crises facing this country, including the suspected russian cyber attack on the u.s. government? and newly revealed emails show another trump appointee pushing herd immunity in the u.s. and we will roll the tape. #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief* and #1 for eczema symptom relief* gold bond champion your skin
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it is looking like lawmakers will reach a deal on an economic relief package but it may not cross the finish line before the government is set to shutdown tomorrow night. one point of contention is stimulus checks. some lawmakers like bernie sanders say including them is progress, but it is not enough. millions of americans are suffering. look at the latest unemployment data to see that. it is at the highest level in three months with another 885,000 people filing for first time unemployment benefits. let's talk about this with cnn global economic analyst, and economics commentator kevin hassett with us. do the stimulus checks need to be bigger? >> at this point any stimulus is good stimulus. i would really say that you have to take what you can get. i think democrats would have liked to have had a lot more
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than the current package that's on the table, but both sides made compromises. republicans have given up on the idea of a blanket exemption for businesses that might be liable during covid, democrats had to pare back demands for more state aid. it is time to come together. let's not worry about the details. >> okay. kevin, you say it will be a bleak winter. 600 bucks. what does that do for americans? is that enough to get them through a bleak winter? >> you and i were talking about this yesterday, the fact is i spent last night modeling it. i expect that the first would be not as bad as second quarter last year, one of the worst quarters in u.s. history. this is a package that's all jumping in first quarter. that's enough money so you can get the number positive. so we avoid the crater that was
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going to happen if we didn't have a stimulus with this bill. could you argue parts of it should be bigger and smaller? of course. that's why they're going to dicker, people at the white house say they'll have to have a two day extension to finish it off. it is big enough to make it so the crater of the first quarter we talked about in the past is not going to happen. >> lawmakers want to tie the deal to a $1.4 trillion funding bill that would keep the government open through september. why are these being tied together? >> well, in part because if the government shuts down, that's an economic hit, not just in the u.s. because there's so much government labor, particularly now, government offices include a lot of essential workers, but also overseas. people have been watching, our creditors, overseas creditors see the u.s. is having another shutdown, another budget wrangling. that starts to erode trust in
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american credit, in t bills and dollars. that's not what we need in the middle of a pandemic. >> kevin, this urgency to reach a deal has been kicked up a notch because of runoff elections in georgia. republicans could lose control of the senate in two seats that are up there. is that a possibility? >> well, of course it is a possibility. you know, i am not a political analyst, i look at betting markets. right now they're saying there's about 30% chance that the democrats capture the senate and betting markets are about the best guess, what economics literature says. i think that's actually having impact on the stimulus now because i think that republicans control the senate, if they pass something now, at least they have chance to have impact on the content of the bill. if they lose the senate, they have no impact at all. they have a benefit of moving now. i think the democrats are being patriotic saying we have to move now, otherwise we'll have the
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crater you and i have been talking about. i think it will happen. thought maybe it would happen yesterday. now they need a two day extension. it will be there before christmas for sure. >> of course, the details of the deal aren't final. we don't know everything there. we understand democrats dropped their push for state and local government funding. what's the effect of that going to be when you have jobs that are obviously dependent on that funding. >> yeah. it was a big thing to drop. i agree with kevin, i think the democrats are really being quite patriotic and putting it all on the field as they say. when you drop aid to state and local authorities, that's where a lot of the actual on the ground aid happens. that's where a lot of delivery of education and health care and vaccine rollout happens. that's a big thing to give up. in an ideal world, they wouldn't have to do it.
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frankly, at this moment, some stimulus, no matter how faulty the plan may be is better than none. >> kevin, i wonder as you point out, this may stop the crater we have been discussing, but when you're talking about going into individual households, someone very much in need now, 600 bucks isn't necessarily going to cut it, i know you look at a chart, a graph, maybe it turns out not to be as bad as it could have been, but what about the americans who they're handed a check but it isn't enough to get them through. >> right. well, you know, the check that -- i agree with you that 600 is probably not enough for a lot of people. for me, the thing that's not enough, you look at emerging literature, a bunch of studies at unusual bureau of economic research the previous round, found the unemployment plus up was a big positive support for consumption of people most in need. i think if i were there, i would
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argue, we have to get a bill passed, can't have everything you want, i would make unemployment plus up bigger. those are people that need the money most. there's a sign that 85% of the cash sent out in the increased unemployment benefit got consumed right away, which suggests those people really, really needed the cash. the other things, checks to everybody else that has jobs and so on, they'll need that money, too. but i think i would try to get that benefit bigger than now. >> i very much agree with that. i think it is important to say even when we see economic growth start to tick up, the unemployment rate is probably going to lag and be higher for some time now, and that's in part because companies that come through the pandemic are going to be more digital. means they tend to needless workers, replacing jobs with technology and software. >> good point. thank you so much for your insights. what did the president do today to help the stimulus talks? what did he do today about the
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throughout the pandemic, even as trump administration officials all the way to the top insisted they were not pursuing herd immunity with the laissez faire response to the coronavirus, herd immunity is when enough of the population has been infected it provides protection for those that haven't been. with coronavirus, in the absence of a vaccine, 2 million americans would have to die to achieve herd immunity. needless to say, it is not a public health strategy. we learned a former top appointee of the president urged health officials to make it so according to emails obtained by the oversight committee. paul alexander, former senior
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adviser at health and human services department said in july that americans, quote, must go on with life. he said this. so the bottom line, if it is more infectious now, the issue is who cares. if it causes more cases in young, who cares, as long as remake sensible decisions, protect the elderly in nursing homes, we must go on with life. who cares if we test more and get more positive tests. in another email, he writes there's no other way, we need to establish herd. it comes by allowing high risk groups expose to the virus. he pushed the cap locks button to make the point. so adamant was he that herd immunity was the only way to address the virus. of course, he is dead wrong. of course there's another way. in the history of our country, the government asked americans many times to go to war to protect their nation. that meant sacrificing months and years with families. they have been asked to risk
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limbs, minds, lives. on the home front, americans have been asked to ration food, practice bombing drills, repurpose their businesses. the sacrifice asked of americans in this crisis is to save lives by staying home and wearing a mask when they can't. and the president and his allies pass tarredized that as unacceptable infringement on personal freedom. paul alexander hasn't responded for requests to comment on advocacy for herd immunity, but department of hhs tells us he was only temporary and that herd immunity is not the department's policy. may not be the official policy of hhs, but sure was the policy of a lot of officials in the trump administration including the president. of course, the white house has denied that. here was the press secretary in september. >> herd immunity, so-called theory, was something made up in the fansful minds of the media.
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that was never something ever considered here at the white house. >> but it was by dr. scott atlas, the president's preferred coronavirus adviser that left the white house after the president lost the election. atlas denied it because herd immunity as a health policy is homicidal. >> it is not just a lie, it is an overt lie, a disgusting lie, a harmful statement to make. i have never advised the president to push a herd immunity strategy. i have never told the task force that i advocated a herd immunity strategy. i never told anyone. >> it may be disgusting, but it is not a lie. it's the truth. there's tape of dr. atlas pushing herd immunity. >> we can allow a lot of people to infected, those who are not at risk to die or have serious hospital requiring illness.
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we should be fine with letting them infected, generating immunity on their own, and the more immunity in the community, the better we can eradicate the threat of the virus, including the threat to people who are vulnerable. that's what herd immunity is. >> when younger, healthier people get the disease, they don't have a problem with the disease. i'm not sure why that's so difficult for everyone to acknowledge. these people getting the infection is not really a problem and in fact, as we said months ago, when you isolate everyone, including the healthy people, you're prolonging the problem because you're preventing population immunity. low risk groups getting the infection is not a problem. >> and there's also tape of the man that atlas advised about this strategy pushing herd immunity. >> once you get to a certain number, you know, we use the
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word herd, once you get to a certain number, it is going to go away. >> the president and his aides had backup from media outlets, the darling was sweden which at the outset adopted a herd immunity strategy even as it encouraged masks and social distancing. >> sweden has never unlike governor whitmer and many american states adopted the chinese model, authoritarian model to contain coronavirus. so far sweden has fewer cases of coronavirus and fewer deaths than the state of michigan does. huh. does the governor of michigan know this? does she care? no. that suggests it is about science, but it is not. >> herd immunity will be reached in about two, three weeks perhaps in sweden which, i mean, then they're kind of done after the herd immunity, correct? >> yeah. we hope so. that's why we shouldn't pay too
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much attention to comparison of cases and deaths now because almost every other country except sweden has just postponed deaths. >> sweden was smart. they didn't -- they quarantined the most vulnerable and let healthiest, least vulnerable individuals, namely children, continue schooling. that was much better for the educational system and the health of their country and their economy. >> they'll not talk about herd immunity. don't like to use that term. they may have gotten there or close to there. deaths and icu admissions are low this month. >> all right. fast forward to now when it matters. and sweden's herd immunity experiment is over, a failure by their own admission. sweden had the second deadliest month ever, second only to the worst month of the 1918 flu pandemic. their hospitals are overflowing. the swedish prime minister has admitted their strategy was a
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mistake. quote, it is proof that it is a virus that we did not know about before and behaves in a way many would not have thought. worth noting, the preponderance of public health experts warned what could happen to the infection rate in sweden over time. some conclusions where we could have been better have already been drawn. they have been drawn by a death rate that approaches that in the u.s. even with sweden's universal health care system and liberal work leave policies. fox championed sweden as the example to follow and viewers listened and they're doing this again right now, telling people to get together for the holidays. >> of course act cautiously. christmas is meant to be spend with family, not isolated in lockdown. joining me now, dr. scott atlas. >> scott atlas, dr. scott atlas. for an entire segment why it is
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okay to gather for christmas. when you see laura ingraham having guests onto espouse ignoring health guidelines, remember her actions don't match her words. >> now reading stuff about how you can damage yourself by wearing a mask, you're breathing back potentially -- >> she mocked the science behind masks, told her viewers they may actually be bad for their health. then put one on her own face to protect herself at a trump rally. >> i do believe laura ingraham is here someplace. where is laura. where is she? where is laura? i can't recognize you. is that a mask? no way. are you wearing a mask? i've never seen her in a mask. look at you. whoa, she's being very
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we showed you the president's calendar yesterday and in the 40 days since the election, he has been missing in action. he had a limited schedule, fixated on his conspiracy theories, and the nation is facing several crises all at once. so what has he done today? following the deadliest day of the pandemic. what's the author of "the art of a deal" done to get to a stimulus deal. millions struggle to feed their families. what is he doing about the hacking of several government
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agencies, a massive attack that revealed significant vulnerabilities that experts warn other foreign actors will emulate. bring in cnn white house correspondent kaitlan collins to talk about this and chief political analyst gloria borger. kate, what is the president doing? >> reporter: great question. the white house says he is filling his schedule behind the scenes, we're not seeing that. it is unusual for the president not to have any public events, not to let cameras in the room for the cabinet meeting yesterday. i can think of one occasion that happened. also they have not put out statements with the president's name on it addressing the russian hack which we know is still ongoing, according to federal agencies, they're trying to figure out. also as noted, the president has been uninvolved in the stimulus talks happening on capitol hill. he hasn't done any oval address to address the record high of hospitalizations that we are seeing across the nation. this is a broader pattern we
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have seen since donald trump lost the election. when you talk to sources, they say he is almost entirely consumed by his election loss. then you read, for example, that op-ed from tom bossert in "new york times" today, says he doesn't have much longer left in office, but the president still needs to be governing. >> gloria, what does it mean for the country that the president really, even before the election has checked out of governing. >> yeah, he is mia. he enjoys the idea of being president more than doing the work of being president. he hasn't had any intelligence briefings since october. this is remarkable, given the fact we just had a major hack here of the united states government. he isn't even going out there, aside from one brief appearance at a presser and taking credit for the vaccine, trying to help with public education to get people to get the shots in their arms, so he isn't doing anything
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republican election deniers put on quite a show on voting irregularities hearing yesterday, spewing baseless claims of voter fraud and misinspection led by ron johnson. democrats implored their colleagues to stop spreading lies. one democrat put it this way. >>ing there there are regular patriotic americans who don't believe that joe biden is not president. as patriotic americans, they've been told to listen to the president of the united states, to listen to u.s. senators, and so when the president and u.s. senators tell them over and over and over again that the election
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was rigged, they believe it. not because they're crazy, but because they have faith that people in power will tell them the truth. it becomes a circular logic that republicans saying we have to talk about it, because people think the election was rigged, by the way, the election was rigged. there's no way out of that block hole spiral. by the way, this also kind of serving some other republican ends. republicans want to undermine government in general. they really don't believe the government can solve any problems. so by undermining elections, making people believe that everybody that gets elected is illegitimate, it makes it hard for government to do anything good to people. >> dana milbank wrote an op-said, and dana, you focused a
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lot of this column on ron johnson. i wonder we've had heard people say the president almost does believe he believes these conspiracy theories. i wonder what me believes senator johnson's motivation, having observed the theater, what it is. think about ron johnson. last month he had a hearing to say that hydroxychloroquine cures covid-19, so we know his state of mind. he got in a lot of heat for having this hearing. he's doing exactly that thing. he's saying, well, we have a problem here, because 80% of trump voters believe there is fraud in the election. well, why do they believe that, mr. chairman? it's because you've been telling them they has been. so all these guys are competing, i think, for the trump enthusiasts out there, so they're trying to out-trump trump, if you will, and they did a fine job of it yesterday.
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>> you focus on your column on what is might have been one of the most interesting moments. i think we're seeing democrats versus republicans, but we got to see chris krebs, the top intel official that president trump fired, and we got to see his testimony. it was in stark contrast from what we saw from other republicans. >> it was, because he was saying, my fellow republicans. he's saying i'm one of you. what you are doing is dangerous. you are causing people not to believe the results of this election. he was saying, you know, that one party is playing by the rules and the other one is not only not playing by the rules, but undermining, actively undermining faith in democracy. that's when democracy falls apart. so it was clear you can't say he's part of some deep-state conspiracy. this guy is a republican saying you republicans are causing this
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problem that you're declaring exists. >> you know, i know a lot of republicans, dana, who look at some of what they see in that hearing yesterday, and just in general when it comes to conspiracy theories. they don't agree with it, and they are apoplectic at what they see their party now standing for. i wonder if you think that, is there any coming back for this kind of thing for the republican party, that like senator johnson has so embraced they conspiracy theories? >> well, there are bits of hope, brianna. mitt romney is on that committee. he essentially boycotted it, said i'm not going to participate in that nonsense, one senator said let's have a commission look at how to do better next time. fine, there are people like that. but as long as whoever is running for president in 2024 has to keep the trump voters on his side, if trump himself isn't
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going to be the candidate, there's no way to break free of this. as long as trump exists, this problem exists. >> dana, thank you so much for joining us to discuss your column. it's great to see you. >> thanks, brianna. right now the fda is meeting on whether to move forward with what could be the country's second coronavirus vaccine. why this one could be more accessible. but we didn't stop there. we made a cloud flexible enough to adapt to any size business. no matter what it does, or how it changes. and we kept going. so you only pay for what you use. because at dell technologies, we stop...at nothing. ♪
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it's the top of the hour. i'm brianna keilar. i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. before we get to breaking news on a second vaccine and stimulus deal meant to provide release for american families, i want to start with the most important thing. that's we are a nation in crisis. 3,656 americans who were reported to have lost their lives yesterday. that's in one day. it's a record. the deadliest day of the pandemic. that's on top of a new record also set for new cases and hospitalizations. paul and rosemary blackwell. they died this weeks, died in the same bed holding each
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