his wife says he was known for his positive attitude and living life to the fullest. he was a world war ii veteran, a civil engineer who worked on hundreds of buildings during his over 60-year career. a truly wonderful man. may they all rest in peace, and may their memories be a blessing. erin burnett out front starts rig right now. out front next, breaking news. the president with a new push to overturn the election. tonight several members of congress just leaving a meeting in the oval office. plus a new form of coronavirus, one that may be more contagious causing concern tonight. it's impacting holiday travel. a number of countries and airlines are taking action. and also breaking news, the house moments away now from voting on a long awaited and long overdue coronavirus relief

bill. good evening, everyone. i'm kate baldwin in for erin burnett. out front tonight breaking news. the president holding a meeting with members of congress at the white house this evening to promote his election fraud conspiracy further. the president's chief of staff tweeting moments ago this. several members of congress just finished a meeting in the oval office with president trump, preparing to fight back against mounting evidence of voter fraud. stay tuned. to be clear, there is no such evidence or it would have been presented in court. the president has tried and failed to present any evidence at dozens of court hearings. this is just the latest example of an unraveling situation at the white house, quite frankly. multiple senior trump advisers and people close to the president telling cnn they fear trump's final days. one administration official saying very simply, quote, it's scary. they say the president is no longer governing. instead he's focused solely on his futile effort to overturn the election result.

he's turned now to a fringe group of advisers pedaling increasingly dubious tactics. advisers like sidney powell who was at the white house again today. that's after she was there last night and friday. she's the attorney who has pedaled some of the craziest election theories. her ideas so out there, rudy giuliani a man not afraid of a conspiracy theory himself, he has even tried to distance her from the trump campaign legal team. the president is also apparently listening to steve bannon again. he's pushing trump to appoint a special counsel to investigate election fraud, widespread fraud, which we know didn't happen. >> i strongly recommended to the president, we need a special counsel named immediately. >> he's not an attorney, but he is under federal indictment, and he may very well be under consideration for presidential pardon. here's who does know the standards for appointing special counsel, bill barr, who said

this today. >> if i thought a special counsel at this stage was the right tool and was appropriate, i would do -- i would name one. but i haven't, and i'm not going to. >> now, bill barr is leaving the administration this week. he and the president clearly don't see eye to eye on a number of issues anymore. but this is significant. first, the obvious. bill barr is the attorney general of the united states. and second, barr hasn't been shy in the past to back up some of the president's wild claims including claims that didn't bear out. >> you can't do the mail-in ballots because you're going to have tremendous fraud. >> elections that have been handled with mail have been found with substantial fraud and corruption. those things are delivered to mailboxes i, can be taken out. >> they spied on me. they spied on our campaign. >> i think spying did occur.

>> attorney general bill barr is the attorney general of the united states. we now know this. he's not been backing away from a lot of what the president says. but this is why when you hear this, what he just said today compared to what he has said in the past, that is why this is so significant that barr is breaking from president trump, that is why it is so significant in part. let's dig into this a little bit more. out front now, retired colonel lawrence wilkerson. he's also a member of national task force of election crises, something we're going to lean on here. ben ginsburg, a long time republican election lawyer. he served as national counsel to the bush cheney campaign in 2000 and 2004. and julie pace is a washington bureau chief for the associated press. colonel wilkerson, if i could start with you. what do you make of what we're hearing from people like sidney powell, steve bannon and the president's former national

security advisor michael flynn, and we're learning it was floated in the oval office meeting pushing for martial law in order to rerun the election? >> i think we're seeing just how desperate trump is becoming himself and how desperate the last remaining rats on the ship, if you will, are becoming because of that. we see bannon apparently coming back on scene again probably most ardently seeking a pardon. we see things like you just pointed out, general flynn -- i don't know if i was in charge of the military, but i'd call flynn back to active duty and proskite him under the code of military justice. you can pick your charge there. incitement of insurrection or whatever. but these are desperate people.

don't take counsel with your fears. and that's one of the things we need to do now. we've just been through an election that was monumental. more americans voted and voted by different methods. states upheld their laws, upheld their precedents, upheld their protocols. they did a good job. maybe in kentucky there was a little cheating. i think the kentucky race mitch mcconnell was re-elected in against all percentages that contained beforehand in exit polling and maybe there was something there, but you never look into the republicans for cheating, i can tell you that. i'm a republican. but i think this election was incredibly well-done, magnificently well-done. we should praise the states and all the people in the states that did it.

and now we need to understand we're going to get through this. and at noon on the 20th of january joe biden is going to be the new president of the united states. >> but before then, one other thing we do know is we have reporting that rudy giuliani has called over to the department of homeland security to inquire if dhs could seize voting machines. bill barr was asked about that also today. let me play for you what he said. >> i see no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. >> i see no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. what did you think of his answer? is there a legal basis for any of this? >> the truth is there's not authority in the federal government to go seizing a state's voting machines. so it is as the colonel said

twrsha sign of the desperation. i suppose if the desperation gets too great we do have the 25th amendment out there that says the vice president and a majority of the cabinet can declare the president incapacitated. so there is a fail safe even if it gets really, really crazy. >> i guess we're not there yet, julie, but these conversations they did happen. that seems to be clear what happened in the oval office. sidney powell being there now three times in the last few days. do you have a sense how serious people are taking these conversations within the white house? >> well, i think within the white house they're taking them with some measure of seriousness because of the seriousness of what we're talking about here. you don't just throw out things like martial law in the oval office and brush it aside. at the same time the response from the republican party and from people around the president

has been to say essentially, well, he won't go there, even president trump won't cross that line. and they're waiting out the clock hoping we get to january 20th and biden is sworn in and we do have a peaceful transition of power. but i think the reality is the president has increasingly surrounded himself with people telling conspiracy theories and telling him the things he wants to hear. even though the guardrails of this election have held up and pointing ato one obvious thing. >> let me play what the president's former national security advisor, michael flynn, not only suggested in an interview last week but we now know it was floated in this oval office meeting on friday. martial law. >> he could within the swing states if he wanted to he could take military capabilities and place them in those states and basically rerun an election in

those states. it's not unprecedented. these people out there talking about martial law like it's something we've never done. martial law has been instituted 64 -- 64 times. >> your task force, as part of the task force you all game out scenarios what president trump might do in the final days if he lost the election. when you did this, did you game out invoking martial law? >> we gamed out -- if you want to say gaming out is discussing it because we didn't actually put it on the floor of the game, but we did discuss such moves of that. and there were not that many military people consulting the congressional integrity project. and it was my advice and my counsel that the united states military would not perform unless it was in the process of a civil action, a revote, an

insurrection, something really of an order of magnitude of law enforcement, civilian law enforcement could not handle. and when flynn said that about all those times i'm not sure he's right about 64 times. but when we have had some form of military assistance to law enforcement, something that's referred to by a latin term, that's especially what it's been. and that's what my advice was. the only way military would only handle anything in this country is if law enforcement could not handle it and military had to back it up. in 1982 during the riots there with very good guidance from colin powell, to make sure we maintained an equity that was necessary for the use of the mailitary and such certain things. because when we did and everything turned out okay, and just don't think the military is going to get involved in any

way, fashion or form. >> we're hearing from mark meadows that president trump just met with a group of republican lawmakers who as mark meadows put it are preparing to fight back against mounting evidence of voter fraud. i can almost feel you rolling your eyes at me because i know you've hit on this many times, but what could they possibly have as members of congress that hasn't been presented and already dismissed in court? >> well, i think nothing is the truth of the matter. one thing about bill barr announcement today is that it strengthens mitch mcconnell's ability to say to the senators at least don't go along with this because in point of fact when the attorney general of the united states says there's no evidence of fraud, that's nothing that i think republican senators will absolutely listen to. so the long-term significance of what bill barr said today is pretty great.

and it goes directly to your question of how much evidence there is. it it's also worth pointing out on the martial law point, martial law may have been imposed on the united states, but never to overtrch a free and fair election or any election for that matter. so it would be totally unprecedented to use the military for this. >> maybe a small point of context, but a crucial one when you're talking about it in the way we are. ben, juli, it's not just kind of all of this. trump is also praising the senator-elect tommy tuberville. he has said he's open to rejecting election results during joint session of congress next week. it's not going to stop joe biden from becoming president, but it is clear president trump is taking notice.

listen. >> and spoke to a great gentlemen, tommy tuberville last night and he's so excited. he said you made me the most popular politician in the united states. i said he's great, great senator. >> does the president, you'll ae, you think understand this is futile? >> people know this is way to ingratiate yourself with this president which is not to tell him hard truths but to validate what he already believes. and so tuberville is one of those people. sidney powell is one of those people there and they're essentially feeding the president. and i think the president is showing he plans to play a pretty active role in the republican party going forward. he sees himself as a king maker and someone that can toip to help proper up and support candidates in line with his

views and philosophies. and think you're going to see him continue to do it afterwards. i do think a big question is how he responds after the 6th of january when as you say this effort on capitol hill will be futile. what is his next step there. i don't think anyone is holding their breath for idea he'll say it's over, joe biden is president-elect. but i think it's a big question open what follows. out front next we have breaking news. the white house may require travelers from the united kingdom to present proof of a negative coronavirus test before arriving into the united states as a new and maybe faster spreading form of coronavirus is causing new concern. plus, we now know how a critic of vladimir putin was poisoned. the victim himself tricked a russian agent into revealing how the lethal nerve agent was introduced. >> translator: the most risky piece of clothing, which one is that? >> underpants. >> underpants.

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and breaking news, the white house is considering requiring travelers from the united kingdom to show proof of a negative coronavirus test before entering the united states. it comes amid global concern tonight about a new and potentially more contagious variant of the coronavirus hitting the u.k. so hard right now. dozens of countries are implementing a massive travel crack down to try to contain the spread. but the big question tonight for scientists is this variant more dangerous or more resistant to the current vaccines? out front now, dr. jonathan rhiner.

and dr. jahadeen. >> i think this is something we need to keep our eye on but i'm not overly concerned. we know this virus has been mutated many times since it was first identified almost exactly a year ago. this particular variant might be associated with a more rapid spread of the virus in the united kingdom, and that's still under investigation. what we also know is that this is still a coronavirus, and all the usual public health measures that are very effective at preventing the spread of this like wearing masks and social distancing and avoiding crowds and washing your hands, all those work with this virus. and maybe most importantly there's really no data at all to suggest that this virus is somehow resistant to the new vaccines that are now being widely distributed in the united states and in europe.

and also the manufacturers of money clonal antibodies today issued statements their agents are effective against this variant. something to keep an eye on, not something to become overly alarmed about right now. >> in terms of the public health response we're seeing dozens of countries halting travel from the u.k. at least temporarily. i want to play for you what new york governor andrew cuomo said about there was a lack of a ban on travel to the united states here. >> why don't we act intelligently for a change? you have many countries that have just restricted flights from the u.k. many european countries have done it. why are we doing nothing?

>> now sources are saying the white house is considering travelers from the you can showing proof of a negative test. >> i think a couple of things. first, travel bans can slow down the spread of a virus by a couple of weeks. they're not going prevent that variant from showing up in the united states. i think the idea of getting a negative test may be a bit more useful. but i understand governor cuomo's concerns. certainly it would give us a little bit more time if we put in that travel ban. but my sense is these variants are probably well beyond the u.k. already. and i would not be surprised if some was already here in the united states, if we were testing and looking for it a bit more vigorously. >> getting back to the testing question we've talked about now for ten months. dr. rhiner, we saw president-elect biden get his shot today. the first moderna shots were rolling out and happening today, all good signs. but things are moving slower than operation warp speed said they would.

they are now saying the first 20 million plaerns would be vaccinated by the first week of january, not by the end of the year which was the marker they had set and the rest of the public would have the vaccine available to them by june. do you think that time line is now realistic? do you have concerns about the pace of this? >> i think it's ambitious. my biggest concern is actually not vaccine availability. my biggest concern is vaccine hesitancy. and we really need to spend a lot of time, and there's no time to waste on educating the public that this vaccine is safe and extraordinarily effective. you know, i had a conversation today with a young doc who was very hesitant to accept this vaccine. and i think that this is, you know, more widespread than i'd like to see in this country. and it's also -- it varies regionally. and it varies shockingly by political party.

86% of democrats say they are likely to get the vaccine. only 56% of republicans. we need to do much better of breaking down these really ridiculous political barriers to accepting this really fabulous vaccine or fabulous vaccines. >> you know, get -- with regard to getting past hesitancy, though, you have to have availability, right? one of the hardest hit states, new jersey, is now expecting they say 20% less of vaccine deliveries for the month of december, for the rest of this month than they had anticipated, and they're not the only state that's been raising concerns about this. do you have a sense what is going on here with this? >> yeah, so, i think there are some time lines that are slipping a little bit. as dr. rhiner said, these are incredibly ambitious goals operation warp speed has setup, and i would bish they hit all of them.

but instead of december 1st, first week of january is not much of a slip, and the key here is we've got to just keep plugging away, moderna and pfizer. and i'm hoping by the end of january we may have one or two vaccines, and that should open things up in vaccine availability. >> and let's look at just the reality of where the country is at the moment, dr. rhiner. the united states is surpassing 18 million coronavirus cases tonight. in california 1 in 64 residents of l.a. county has the virus right now. that's what health officials said there today, which is quite shocking. is this where the rest of the country is headed? >> you know, not necessarily. you know, when you look at the united states now there are glimmers of hope in certain places. if you look at the midwest, for instance, the midwest is starting to show signs of a decline in the number of cases.

so i think there is a glimmer of hope on the horizon, but we must continue to get this population to mask up. we must limit the size of gatherings. and some places may need to close down. we're seeing that in southern california. and then and dr. jha was saying we need to move ahead expeditiously with vaccinating large portions of of our populations as soon as possible. >> it tsa just today said sunday broke the pre-pandemic travel record, more than a million people passed through security check points for the holidays and that's just sunday. i just -- someone has been pushing the message of you've got to make tough choices and we've got to be smart and careful, what do you think when you hear that, that people are traveling, people are going and this is a holiday -- it feels like we're still seeing the fall

out from thanksgiving holiday gatherings and now we're heading into this. >> look, first of all i understand people are really tired of this. and it's been a long, long pandemic already. and the holidays are particularly an important time for people to spend time with their families, so i'm sympathetic to what's driving it. but my point on this is we're so close to widespread vaccine vid availability, this is such a bad time in terms of level of infection i've been asking people, pleading with them it's a really tough request, but hold off on these holidays so you can be around in 2021 and actually celebrate with your fam elin the new year. but we're so close and people have to hunker down and get through the next 4 to 6 weeks. >> i'll keep those words in my head. thank you. out front next, attorney general bill barr breaking with president trump saying it appears russia is behind the massive hack attack. why is trump still refusing to acknowledge putin as a threat?

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new tonight, attorney general bill barr is at odds with president trump on several issues including the massive cyber attack against the u.s. government. barr saying all signs point to russia. >> i agree with secretary pompeo's assessment it certainly appears to be russians, but i'm not going to discuss it beyond that. >> this is after president trump down-played the attack over the weekend on twitter while he also raised that it could have been china, not russia. out front now is the former director of the cia under president obama, john brennen. he's also the author of the new book "undaunted my fight against america's enemies at home and abroad." thank you for coming in. what did you think today when you saw bill barr very clearly agreeing with mike pompeo and other officials this was likely russia just as trump was saying

it could be china? >> i was very glad to hear the attorney general speak forthrightly about what the facts are, which is that there's no basis to go forward with these special counsels either because of these claims of election fraud or the hunter biden tax investigation. i don't think it's any consistencequence th coincidence bill barr is finding his spine a few days before he departs from office. i think it's better late than never. he is going to be speaking out and i'm sure he's irritated donald trump immensely. >> we'll wait for the follow-up tweet from that one from the president for sure. it's pretty interesting. it really crystallizes donald trump is ending his presidency really in the same place as he began it, incapable or unwilling to confront russian aggression. and of course it started with russia's interference in the

2016 election. just here's a reminder. >> it's probably not russia. nobody knows if it's risha. it could be russia but it also could be china, also lots of other people. it could be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> you know, they talk about russia. they're so worried about russia. what about sending out 80 million ballots? that's your real problem. i think china at this point is a nation you should be talking about much more so than russia because the things that china's doing are far worse. >> this has really been a hallmark of his presidency. it's a question that has befuddled so many, but in these final gays hadays have you ever able to understand why? >> no. it's interesting because the words he just spoke when you provided the footage they're almost exactly the same words he spoke in early january of 2017 when myself and jim comey and jim clapper briefed him on the

russian interference in the election. he kept pushing back against that. he refuses to accept reality. i think he realizes russia has helped him prior to the 2016 election and even afterward which is why he's given them a pass. i must also say that the most dangerous times for an autocrat in terms of what they might do is when they are seeking power as well as when they're on the verge of being deposed from power. that's what i think we see right now with donald trump. he's clearly frightened with what's ahead of him when he departs from the white house. he knows what he's done wrong throughout the course of his life, either during his time at the white house or prior tathat. and i think he's very, very frightened at the prospect of being a private citizen and subject to whatever might be coming his way from the standpoint of legal challenges or whatever. again, he's clearly a desperate person grasping at a wicker straw and he's found people to

support these claims of widespread fraud. >> on the cyber attack from an intelligence standpoint i'm curious the fact we don't know it's still going on, and it's a week later. and we still don't know the extent of the damage. that is just kind of shocking to me. does that surprise you? >> well, i can see why it would be shocking to many. but when you think about the digital environment and all of the government networks and systems, and computer systems in place in different departments and agencies and how broadly this malware could have spread not just in the government but even outside i think there's still a lot of damage assessments still going on. and that's what i think the cyber professionals have to do first and foremost is to find out exactly where the russians, if the russians were behind us and they were, whud wheredid they access? what type of information did they extract and have access to and also find out whether or not

the russians had some type of human sources that enabled them to get this malware into the systems. so it's mind numbing in terms of just the complexity of this digital environment and the cyber domain. >> i want to get your reaction to some remarkable reporting from my colleague clarissa ward and her team. a member of the team revealed to russian opposition leader alexi navalny, how the lethal nerve agent used was planted in navalny's underwear in the summer. this agent admitted this in the phone call with navalny who was posing as a russian government official. listen to this. >> well, imagine underpants and in what place? >> the insides, the groin. >> the crotch of the underpants? >> well, the so-called flap. there are some seams there, so akraus across the seams. >> as strange as it is russia is unbelievable.

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breaking news, congress in the process right now of getting votes on one of the largest rescue packages in u.s. history. $900 billion in coronavirus relief funds that millions of americans have been waiting for months to see. but after so many months of failure as the recovery has stalled is this really a success? phil mattingly out front. phil, what's in the deal? because there is a lot. and what is going to happen tonight? >> yeah, i'll start with the latter part first. this is going to pass, and right now as you noted the house is in the process of the first two votes on this package and they'll kick it over to the senate. senate republican leadship, senate democratic leadership, the white house all say they're in support of this. this package will pass, and as you noted it's extremely large

of it's just not $900 billion for covid relief but $1.4 trilli $1.4 trillion in spending. the congress at the end of the year like to tack a lot of things on. the most important thing is covid relief. the question is is it enough? i don't know it necessarily is depending on your circumstance. if you're an individual that makes under $90,000 you will get a stimulus check. it will be $600, half of what the original cares act had, but dependents will get $600 as well. small businesses which have been absolutely crushed by the pandemic particularly service industries, restaurants, there's another round of paycheck protection program money going out, about $284 billion for that program. about $320 billion total for small businesses altogether, and also eviction moratorium, that will be extended for a month as well. and the stimulus checks, that's what everybody likes to talk

about. everybody obviously wants those checks, needs those checks. but it's the unemployment programs most important right now. december 26th, two of the biggest unemployment programs from the cares act, the original stimulus bill were set to expire 13 million people were going to fall off unemployment aid. those will both be extended. 11 weeks for federal unemployment benefits and also an additional $300 million benefit. the question is if it's enough given what the economy is facing, but it's something. i think that matters at least a little bit. >> let me bring in right now republican congressman from utah, john curtis. congressman, thank you for coming in. phil laid out what was in the package. do you consider this is a success? do you think this is enough? how are you voting? >> i think one question is is it enough but more question is is it too late. we know americans and individual businesses have waited way too

long and congress frankly is at the height of dysfunction not only on this but on the budget we'll be voting on tonight. >> i've heard that from democrats saying this is failure even though it is needed. there's a lot of money in this. it's $900 billion, but when you look at this part of the negotiation led to no money in here for state and local governments though they have been begging for it as i know you know. i mean, they're saying tonight that police, firefighters and other essential workers are going to be losing their jobs because of the toll the pandemic has had on their budgets, on their localities. you're a former mayor. what do you say to them tonight? >> well, there's two sides to this debate. i think wuone that rarely gets brought up is cities, counties and states hard taxing authorities. all the of the pressure has been on congress to move forward and

incur debt we don't have, and states also have the same taxing authority. and i think in many ways it's a mistake to look to one federal government to solve all the problems across the united states. there's a number of cities that are actually doing fine. there's ainable of states that are doing okay. and so this one size fits all answer across the united states is very, very difficult to do. >> i think that's interesting because the conference of mayors, they're livid over this. i know you've seen the statements coming out. you got the vaccine over the weekend. now you have -- there's a picture of it as you posted it -- a lot of other members of congress have as well. new the republican governor of new hampshire he's calling you and well all members of congress out for what he is considering you jumping the line ahead of first responders and the elderly to get the vaccine. let me play for you how he put it. >> everyone one of those vials

that is being used for a congressman and senator that has been doing nothing and hasn't been on the front lines is another vial of vaccine isn't going to a nurse or to a resident of a long-term care facility. we're on the verge of a shutdown right now and they're getting in line for a vaccine when they've actually done nothing for the last eight months. i think i'm trying to express i think what most people feel. congressman, what do you say to the governor and others who don't think it's fair? trust me, i had some thoughts of that myself. at the same time we know there's upwards of 40% to 50% of the population of the united states hesitant to take this vaccine. and i feel like congress has got to play a role in building confidence in this. and let me add to that all along we've been asked to follow the advice of our scientific leaders and medical leaders. we were asked to take this by the house physician. that's something i don't take lightly, and that along with a

desire to be an example and show people i have confidence in this vaccine i think is a very, very important role for us. >> congressman you were one of the first republicans in congress to acknowledge joe biden's victory. several of your colleagues including just one i know we have confirmed moe brooks met with president trump tonight and according to his chief of staff, mark meadows they are, quote, and this is how he put it, preparing to fight back against mounting evidence of voter fraud. stay i am here to say that the transition will go well. i am looking forward to taking president-elect biden up on his words that he wants to be president for everybody. we got needs for utah and i am

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it is within our power to change the course of the history of this country. >> our national critical reporter, he's been on the ground in georgia covering the races, good to see you. kamala harris and ivanka trump are both there, what's the impact of this visit at this point of the race? what did you hear today? >> we know this is a race that comes out to the respected turn out of the bases. both are focusing on getting their voters out and persuasion tactics, we have two big sur gat surrogates. that's a place where they think they need to replicate what he was able to do at the top of ticket in november. ivanka trump was trying to tout

this administration. this was a base motivated by trump. the republican candidates shouted down by chance of stop this deal and fight for trump. that shows you where the base is at the moment. they're not looking for that forward message. hey, vote for these people to stop president biden. >> let me actually play the moment you are talking about because you were at the ivanka trump's event earlier today. you have loeffler addressing the crowd trying to get them to turn out to vote for her and this happen happened. >> that's what we are fighting for. we are fighting for -- that's right, the original outsider in washington fighting every single day.

>> she was stopped in the middle of the remarks. there was more focus on the presidential race in the past and not her upcoming senate race. what do you think all this means for kelly loeffler. >> it is a reminder that the base is holding them accountable and attempt to subvert the election even as we see the white house going further and further down that path of disinformation and conspiracy of un-evidence claims of voter fraud. they're tracking the senator saying they should speak up more and more and advocacy for the president. we know the president fought with the georgia republican governor because he followed electi election rules. we know he fought with the georgia secretary of state. that's a reminder of the

republican candidate if they don't get close to that line, this base is not going to come out. that's saying their loyalty is to the president and they are judging our senator. >> it gets to this how do you have these two thoughts at the same time instead of stop the steal if they believe the conspiracy theory votes were stolen and the election were stolen. how are they going to trust that their votes are going to count for loeffler and perdue. >> this is not a logic base exercise. this is something that's totally without evidence and it is also and kind of difficult to talk to voters at these ecvents. they are in grained? a universe that's not based in evidence and reality that is not one where you can get to that point to ask about what you are going to do and do you trust a

kind of result on january 5th. you have ivanka trump saying today that loeffler and perdue is doing everything they can. >> thank you so much for joining us tonight. "ac 360" starts now. this is not a drill. the president of the united states is weighing the kind of action you see in dictatorshipd. john berman here is in for the presiden anderson. tonight the evidence is growing that