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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan thank you so much for joining us this hour. we are looking at a huge week ahead. a week that will decide the balance of power in the senate and in washington for years to come. and also, a week that could decide the future of american democracy for a whole lot longer. and it is becoming very clear that the line is no longer between two major political parties. it's no longer liberal versus conservative. it's no longer -- it is democratic values versus the shredding of those very ideals. it is reality versus conspiracy theory. it is now truth versus lies.
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that is the fault line and this is also the choice before every member of congress but especially republicans this week as president trump takes his unfounded crusade to overturn the election results to a stunning new low. in newly released audio obtained by cnn and first reported by "the washington post," president trump is recorded on a call asking georgia's secretary of state, brad raffensperger, to find just enough votes so he can overturn joe biden's win in the state. and trump is heard threatening the secretary of state if he does not. the call, which took place on saturday, was one hour long. here are the key parts. >> so look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country
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because, you know, this -- there's just -- it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. if it was a mistake, i don't know. a lot of people think it wasn't a mistake, it was much more criminal than that. but it's a big problem in georgia and it's not a problem that's going away. i mean, you know, it's not a problem that's going away. the ballots are corrupt and you're going to find that they are, which is totally illegal. it's more illegal for you than it is for them because you know what they did and they're not reporting it. that's a criminal -- that's a criminal offense. and you can't let that happen. that's a big risk to you and to ryan. your lawyer. that's a big risk. >> as you now well know the president's efforts to steal the election which are based on unfounded claims of widespread voter fraud have failed at every turn in audits, recounts and in the courts.
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so this appears to be trump's final move of desperation, pressuring officials in his own party to try to help him cling to power. let's get straight to john harwood at the white house for us. what now? >> reporter: i think president trump is going to continue to do what he's been doing. he keeps tweeting all sorts of nonsense about the election. tens of thousands of illegal ballots he says, dead people voting. none of those things have been substantiated. he had the hour-long call with brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, after trying to call the secretary 18 times he finally got through. and spouted that sort of incoherent nonsense for an hour. the kindness thing you can say about the president is that he is mentally or psychologically impaired and unable to understand that what he was doing was false and wrong. otherwise, it is simply a straight up request by the president for the secretary of
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state of georgia to commit election fraud, which is the very thing the president has been complaining about. it's notable for his state of mind that white house council was not on the call. the president has narrowed his circle of people to people who enable these fantasies and this attempt to overturn the election. pat cipollone has argued that is a futile attempt. the real question now is what do republicans do? on wednesday that's when congress is due to certify the results of the electoral college. the president is calling his supporters to a big rally in washington. he has laid an air of menace to the process, talking about how mad people are, warning brad raffensperger that he's taking a risk. we expect more than 100 republican house members to back the objection to the certification of the electoral college votes even though all 50 states have certified their results.
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we expect a dozen republican senators to back the request. few have spoken out, some have, and between now and wednesday we'll find out which members of the republican party are going to stand up for democratic elections in the united states and which ones are going to abet this assault on democracy, kate. >> john, thank you. joining me now is abby phillips and chris miller, author. rick, is what happened on this call -- is this illegal? what do you hear in this phone call between the president and the secretary of state of georgia? >> it sure sounds like what the president was asking for was for the secretary of state to manufacture votes. just enough votes to give him a one vote margin in georgia. not sure how this would work. georgia already sent in its
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electoral college votes. but sounds like a crime under federal and state law. when you ask someone to comep with fake votes that's the definition of election fraud. the only question here i think is about trump's state of mind. if, in fact, he actually believes the kind of nonsense he's been spouting about fraud and this would not be manufacturing votes but actually righting a wrong, maybe he could make that kind of defense. but i think there's enough for georgia and federal prosecutors to look at as to whether or not this actually is a crime. >> abby, let me play what the secretary of state of georgia, brad raffensperger, said about this. about also what he told the president. but he talked about it this morning. let me play this. >> the data he has is just plain wrong. we've -- you know, he had hundreds and hundreds of people that he said that were voted. we found two. that's an example he just has bad data. >> none of this is going to convince the president as we can see now of anything, though,
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abby. >> yeah. and i think that brad raffensperger is actually being incredibly polite and diplomatic saying the president has bad data. the president is using information that he has gleaned from the internet that is completely invented in nature. and he has no interest in finding out the truth because he's only interested in many burrowing deeper and deeper into these conspiracy theories. the problem is that you cannot reason, as everyone saw and heard in that call, with the president on this issue. and so, i don't expect that one day he's going to wake up and realize that he was wrong. i think it is going to come down to the people around him and the republicans in washington to make a decision about whether they want to be aligned with the kind of ravings of the president on this call or with the truth. and what you're hearing from people like tom -- not tom
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cotton. ted cruz and josh hawley is well, people are saying there's fraud going on. or people are saying there's something nefarious happening. the reason they 'doing that is because they know there's no evidence of the claims. as rick said, i don't know if the president knows or not. i don't think he cares what the truth is, he wants to win at the end of the day. >> it's his job to know. >> and he has the access to all the information to find out. >> as we've said. as you have pointed out at many points and many different issues throughout his presidency, he has access to this information on all different fronts and chooses not to look at it. >> politico is reporting, rick, that after the georgia call the president joined another call with officials from four other battleground states the way politico puts it is to talk about allegations of voter fraud in the presidential election. i'm curious, if the president is jumping on other calls, maybe
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with ledgislatorlegislators, no of states, but regardless he's jumping on calls saturday with other states pushing the same thing because you know he's going to stick with his same script as he often does. does this new set of facts make the whole thing better or worse? >> in terms of his criminal liability? i think it goes to his state of mind. his pulling out all the stops to try to get a change in the election result. but the important thing to note is that, the states have counted the votes, the electoral college votes in each state have been certified. those certified votes have been sent to congress and they're going to be counted on wednesday. while there's going to be some noise made by people like ted cruz and others, there may be hours of debate. at the end of the day, none of what trump is doing is going to affect the election outcome. it puts him in potential legal jeopardy.
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he can still be impeached. he can be impeached after he leaves office in a way to disqualify him from running in 2024. he's not out of the woods yet based on this conduct. >> not something i have considered. as rick pointed out, this is going to go forward this week, abby. but this call should probably force many republicans to reconsider what they thought or hoped they knew about president trump in many regards. but case in point is republican senator susan collins. i wanted to play what she had to say and, if you will, lessons learned after the impeachment trial. >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> what do you believe the president has learned? >> the president has been impeached. that's a pretty big lesson. there has been criticism by both republican and democratic senators of his call. i believe that he will be much
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more cautious in the future. >> abby, clearly he was not. >> no. obviously not. and that was apparent when susan collins made those comments at that time. but what is even more striking about this moment is that this call with brad raffensperger is basically like a ukraine call part 2. it's the same type of behavior that the president is using, trying to strong arm someone into doing something that is unethical at best or illegal at worst. and it clearly shows that president trump has not been chasened by any of this. in fact, he's been emboldened and you're seeing republicans falling even more in line now than they did around the time of impeachment, which i think is the scary part of the whole situation. >> abby, rick, thank you very much. coming up for us, the fda will be looking at giving half doses of one coronavirus vaccine to younger americans.
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why at this point and what does this mean for a vaccine rollout that has already fallen short of expectations. later, the show down on capitol hill, how efforts by some republicans to challenge the electoral votes are splitting the party. at wayfair, when you spend less and get way more, you look like this. but you feel... like this. sofas from one-ninety-nine. coffee tables from seventy-nine dollars.
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it has been 21 days since the first americans got the first coronavirus vaccines. that means today those very same people are set to get their second and final dose. that is great and promising news. yet it comes at the very same moment the country is clearly struggling as the vaccine effort is behind schedule across the country. the cdc says in the last three
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weeks 13 million doses of the pfizer and moderna vaccines have been distributed. but just over 4 million have been administered. well short of the 20 million shots in arms that top trump administration officials promised in early december. >> over all in the month of december, between the two vaccines, the pfizer and moderna vaccine, we expect to have immunized 20 million of our american people and keeping 20 million doses for their second immunization a few weeks later. >> 20 million vaccinations this month and then we think we'll be up to 50 million total vaccinations of people by the end of january. and 100 million shots in arms by the end of february just with the moderna and pfizer vaccines. >> so that was then. not so long ago, obviously. in a strange twist now, these very same officials say they didn't project that. they didn't say they expected this at all. this is today.
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>> nothing has gone wrong. what we have committed to was to have 20 million doses of vaccine available for the american people to be immunized with. >> what we said our goal was was to have 20 million first doses available in the month of december. those are available. but there's a lag between doses being available, them being ordered by the providers and the states, shipping and then eventual vaccination. that is clearly not what they said. joining me now is dr. yasmin, a cnn medical analyst. good to see you again. you talked to me, a few weeks delay doesn't necessarily mean the entire effort is failure. but they clearly are moving the goal posts in terms of the rollout of the vaccine and getting the shots into arms. what does it mean if they cannot acknowledge this failing? >> i mean, it's gaslighting us,
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thousands of americans dying every day, all of us completely desperate to get out of the pandemic. and we know what we heard them say last month. it's frustrating to hear the tape. we know what we heard, the promises made a month ago. be very transparent with us. transparency is the key to successful vaccination campaigns, especially ones this big. we know we need 80% of the american population to be vaccinated. right now we've vaccinated 1.3, 1.5% of the population. clearly there are hurdles faced and we are not navigating them well so tell us what's going wrong and how you're going to fix it and stop lying to the american people. >> is it clear to you why this is so behind schedule? >> i think there are a few reasons, kate and one of them is
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that the same health care systems on the hook for delivering these vaccines are the same health care systems that are massively overwhelmed. because of the massive surges in cases. so i think that's one of the issues here in the bay area, here in santa clara county we have ambulances waiting six, seven hours just to offload their patients just to give you an idea how backed up things are. that's one of the issues. but we're told as if it's an issue of not enough vaccine really it's massive logistical challenges as well. two thirds of the vaccine doses have been distributed to states are sitting in freezers right now, they are not going into people's arms this is an issue of logistics, poor planning, not enough personnel. what we've seen throughout the pandemic and now it's manifesting in a badly rolled out vaccine campaign. >> it seems then when you put it that way that hearing from top officials that they're looking to the states to ask them for
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help and they're ready to help when the states ask them, doesn't seem like a if fix. >> it doesn't and states have been left in the lurch since february of this year. so they need the right support. and i do think with the fda reviewing the states about the moderna vaccine, that's great. tell us what's possible. say they come back to us today and say we don't need to give everyone the 100 micro gram dose we can give them less. okay that doubles our doses available, we could potentially vaccinate double the amount of people we thought we could but how if those two thirds of doses are still sitting in freezers what makes us think doubling the amount of vaccine available would get it into peoples' arms because of the logistical failings happening here. >> that's an excellent point. the hold up isn't vaccines available right now. that's the point. do you think the idea of giving
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half doses, as it's being discussed, do you think that's a good idea? >> i don't know yet. i am reassured that the fda is reviewing that information instead of what happened in the uk, which is a u-turn in vaccine strategy and an uproar, a lot of doctors upset. i'm glad the scientists are going back to square one looking at the clinical trial information and telling us what might be possible. i'm glad that's not being rushed, at least i don't think it's being rushed right now. i come back to the issue it's not just about the amount of vaccine available. it's about the failure to get the vaccine to people safely and quickly. that's what's failing here. >> the same system that failed to roll out testing is exactly seems to be repeating itself with the vaccine rollout. thank you, doctor. still ahead, missouri senator josh hawley is one of the republicans leading the challenge to the electoral college.
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the stage is set for a major show down on capitol hill in just two days. republicans in both the house and senate, they are planning to join president trump's futile fight to challenge the election and will be objecting to counting the electoral college
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votes on january 6th. the day which is laid out as required in the constitution. this is the day that congress is expected to certify joe biden's election victory. but does this recording of the president and what he asked, requested and threatened of the secretary of state of georgia, change anything? congressman adam kinzinger had this to say about that. >> it's disgusting and quite honestly it's going to be interesting, all these members of congress that said they're going to object to the election i don't know how you can do that right now with a clear conscience, because this is so obviously -- beyond the pale is probably not even the way to describe it. >> then there's this, one of the republican senators leading the effort, senator josh hawley, just last year, he agreed with adam kinzinger's position. >> the consequences to the republic of overturning a democratic election because you don't like the result and because you believe that the
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that election was somehow corrupted when, in fact, the evidence shows that it was not, talking about how elections can't be trusted, that's an interesting approach. i think it's crazy, frankly. >> crazy frankly, but that's what he's pushing for now. joining me is john kasich, former republican governor of ohio. set the president aside for a ke second. hearing that from josh hawley from one year ago, what is happening to these members of the republican party right now? >> it's not something, kate, that's just happened now. they've been in league and supporting him. there are no heroes here, even for those that are not going to vote to decertify. there's no heroes. they went along with him the entire time. and, you know, as a result he had so much bad behavior, beyond anything we can imagine, and now they're landing another blow to our democracy.
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franklin frankly it's just one blow after another and it's been going on for a while. and what this does, kate, it begins to undermine -- democracy requires the consent of the governed. now we have 30% of the country that don't believe that this election was legitimate. this will reinforce that it also requires faith in our basic institutions, one of them being elections. so what's happening is, it is a serious undermining of the democracy in our country. and why are they doing it? purely self-interest. they have calculated that if they're going to run for president in 2024, they need to be on the right side of donald trump. that's what this is all about. what we have seen, kate, what has been amazing to me as i watched things over the last five years, really, with his nomination, election and then governing, is we've lost -- we've lost the ability for people to put country first.
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that to me is what's going on. it's about what's in it for me, how do i take care of myself, square myself with the base so i can stay in power. kate, it's very serious. >> it is. there's clearly no doubt anymore that this is a cynical political move by josh hawley and ted cruz who would like to run. does this help them run for president, do you believe? >> i sure hope not. there's 13 of them in the senate. there's a majority of the conference in the house. now, you know, understand that the democrats put some crazy rules in yesterday that it becomes a cultural thing. and republicans have been able to play on the extremist position of democrats to try to put themselves in the center reflecting what are traditional values. so one hand the republicans tend to gain when republicans are out to lunch, joe biden never went
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out to lunch, that's why he became president. but for these people to do this, they're calculating that the trump will still be powerful and they'll be rewarded for this. i hope not, kate. it would be a terrible thing to reward politicians who work only in their self-interest. every politician, every person on earth at times is concerned about their own self-interest but there's a point in which we need to say to ourselves, what is our basic morality. life is short, i will tell you, my opinion, we will all be judged for what we've been given. it isn't necessarily going to be here. >> but it also, just the simple fact that you have members of congress who are going to be challenging the electoral college, they are members of congress from the very same battleground states where they were elected, but they are not questioning the legitimacy of their victories in these same
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elections. it is -- >> it's hypocrisy. >> it's baffling and sad. saying it doesn't make sense is like captain obvious at this point. >> kate, here's the way we need to think about it. we do a calculation with people who surround us, who reinforce this selfishness and they make excuses for it and justify it. we've seen it -- we've seen things like this throughout the history of man kind, this is nothing new. it's about me, me, me. and we're in a new year, and i hate to come on the show and start in the new year but at the end of the day all of us have to dig down deep to figure out what is it we're supposed to do as a person. and if it's all about me and what's in it for me, you know where that leads us, kate, to a very, very dark place. that's what these people are doing. they'll justify anything, and their staffs.
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look at the publicity we got today, i was on television. it was a joke. i used to be there, i'm not. i'm not there anymore. but i'm proud of what i've done the last five years and standing up on the basis the way in which my mother and father raised many me. i'm not perfect by any stretch. >> you're not, but you're on the right side of history on this one. leaning on your experience as the governor of ohio. you have the president who spends an hour on this phone call and there are 18 calls between his office and the secretary of state's office in if georgia to set up this call. you think about how much effort went in for him to focus on this one state. you know that's not the only case. it's so very clear he's not focused where he should be which is on the pandemic. we have these stats now that an american is dying every 33 seconds from coronavirus in the country. as someone entrusted with the health and safety of millions of
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americans when you were governor, can you understand that choice? >> no. it's irresponsible. we need national leadership but i don't see any leadership at the state level. i see a lot of incompetence. this is a logistical issue. and this is about breaking some glass. this is not about checking every detail and having 100,000 lawyers in there trying to figure out -- this is -- in the middle of a crisis where the hospitals are filled and people are dying, go give people the vaccine. yes, i don't like what trump has done and what he's done has been irresponsible from the beginning. but what is going on with these governors? why have they not planned effectively for the distribution of this vaccine? what are they doing? if i were governor i would sitting there thinking about, i have to be prepared and get this vaccine out there because every time i vaccinate somebody i save them from potentially being sick
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or from dying. it's -- it is a -- it's incompetence of government, which is so serious because it undermines peoples' faith in our institutions. i hope they get on the ball. the governors will get on the ball and get it done and get it done now. not in a couple weeks, now. >> governor, thank you for coming on. let's talk about this and see what happens with the electoral college. i'm interested in seeing your take on the other side of this. thank you. >> kate, thank you. coming up, an american, as i mentioned, is now dying of coronavirus every 33 seconds and in los angeles the mayor now says one person is infected every six seconds. next we'll speak to a critical care nurse on the front lines. university of phoenix is awarding
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we're seeing a person every six seconds contract covid-19 here in los angeles county. the nation's largest county, 10 million people. my message to everybody is this is not only going to come for somebody you love, this is possibly going to come for you. that is a warning from los angeles mayor eric garcetti as the city has become the new epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic in the united states. hospitals in southern california are buckling under the unprecedented surge of patients. right now there are more people hospitalized with covid in california than at any point during the pandemic. more than 21,500 people,
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according to state data. the flood of covid patients is forcing hospitals to make decisions they should never have to like rationing care for their patients. my next guest is someone who knows this too well at this point. a critical care nurse at st. francis medical center in los angeles. scott is joining me now. thank you for being here. can you lay out what you are seeing in your hospitals right now? >> it's really rough. we're at max capacity most of the time. we have patients in the hallways. not that we want it that way in the emergency room. the emergency room staff does everything they can to accommodate people. it's just that when we are on diversion for -- we have too many patients in house. the next hospital may also be suffering the same. so the patient goes to the nearest hospital. and so we have to care for them the best we can. it's really trying. we haven't been trained for a
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pandemic. you don't go to nursing school and train for a pandemic. everything is trial and error. and i thank god i work with a great group of people because we deal with this on a daily basis right now and then we come back to work and start over again. we're dedicated people to do such a thing. i haven't seen anything like this. this is so far from the flu, i know some people believe -- it's so far from the flu. i can't even articulate it. >> i know that you spoke to the l.a. times about how you are all at the point that rationing care is making these choices is something you're having to face. you're talking about people are in the hallways. can you talk to me about those -- what are those choices you're having to make? >> well, for example, sometimes recently as many other hospitals we ran out of equipment, such as high flow nasal can la, which is
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a treatment for covid patients, trying to prevent them from becoming intubated and going on life support. when everybody requires it and you're full of covid patients, you don't have that much equipment. and it's true, as of everywhere else, one night i experienced we needed a high flow oxygen and we were able to obtain it because a patient recently died in the e.r.. so we're able to get the equipment because somebody else, you know, had died. that sounds gruesome and horrific. but that's where we are today. this is -- i mean, a year ago, who would have thought we were where we are now. but all those stories and those, you know, statements made early by scientists that we're going to have to make those decisions down the road about rationing equipment, they're here. those days are here right now. it's not that we want to do this, we don't have a choice. you have to choose the most
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viable patient, you know, many times. the physicians have a really hard time with this. this is not what we went into training for. we didn't become physicians and nurses and respiratory therapists to make decisions on who should and should not receive treatment. we still provide the compassionate care to the best we can. our hospital serves a large community and we do the best we can there. but we're at maximum capacity most of the time. and i'm not -- this is not new to -- this is -- this is new -- this is something that is common throughout all of los angeles. it's just that i feel sometimes things are being sugar coated and we need to depict what's going on inside to the community so they understand. we want to take care of our patients. it's just that we are limited with what we have because of this pandemic. >> scott, thank you very much. >> you're welcome.
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heading there today to make a final pitch. behind the scenes, republicans are growing more and more concerned about what president trump will say when he hits the trail after his astonishing call with georgia's secretary of state. let's be honest, they have reason to be worried. president trump is laying it out essentially in a tweet of what is coming. inaccurately claiming the vote totals in the state are wrong, promising you'll see the real numbers tonight during my speech. let me bring in david chalian for more. you're going to see the real numbers tonight during my speech is what trump is promising. what is that doing to the senate race? >> we have seen the numbers multiple times, they were counted, recounted, recounted again, and have been certified. those are the real numbers. donald trump lost georgia. this is just insanity at this point and donald trump as you said on the phone call, kate, he said he's going to go through all of that ridiculous
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conspiracy theory stuff that he went through on the call with the secretary of state, he is going to present that at the rally tonight. you say what impact will it have. i don't know that we'll know the impact of the senate race, it is not desirable, it is not about getting people out to vote for david perdue and kelly loeffler. but i will note that donald trump has a proven ability to go in these last minute, last 24 hours of a campaign and drive out republican turnout. he has proven successful with that not only for his own election but in other elections. just because the content is going to be false and conspiracy theory based doesn't necessarily mean we can assume it won't actually be, his visit won't drive turnout among his core supporters. >> 3 million early votes cast. what does that say about who's voting, who benefits, david? >> one thing, kate, it says that we are not seeing the massive
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dropoff we normally see between a general election and runoff. there were 4 million early votes cast prior to the november 3rd election in georgia, so the fact you're at 3 million, kate, shows that this is still a very engaged, enthusiastic electorate. obviously there's some dropoff but not as precipitous as we thought. what we have seen is higher participation in early vote with african americans, higher participation in early vote among young voters. those are two democratic constituency that give the democrats some belief that they may have banked a sufficient number of early votes in the preelection period with in person and mail voting that maybe they have such a lead that republicans won't be able to make it up tomorrow with the election day vote where their voters tend to go out in greater numbers. >> i am fascinated with the concept of donie o'sullivan has been talking to folks about the
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misinformation, disinformation they heard and how it soured them in terms of believing their vote would matter in the runoff. they believe the vote was stolen in the presidential. it is fascinating to me the president is going down there to continue pushing this. maybe it is further evidence he does not necessarily care who actually wins in the senate race? >> well, i think that's certainly true. i think one of the definitional characteristics of donald trump throughout four years of his presidency is it has been about donald trump first, no matter what, in any area. so there's no doubt he cares a lot more about fighting this absurd battle about the presidential election in georgia that he lost there instead of actually leaning into and doing everything in his power in the most positive way possible to get kelly loeffler and david perdue back to the united states senate. >> real quick, david, with so much early voting, when do you expect a result? what are the chances that we're going to know the result of the
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election tomorrow night? >> stacey abrams was on state of the union with jake tapper, she said she doesn't expect results for possibly two days. it took i think ten days to actually get a winner in the presidential election. we know this is a single ular r. mail ballots will be counted. may not be tomorrow night. it is a close race. but i don't think it will be days and days like in november. >> stick with us, folks. listen to david chalian. programming note for all much you, special coverage of the senate runoffs begin tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. coming up, a slow vaccine rollout and missed milestone, now the fda is concerning cutting moderna vaccine to half doses. what does that strategy look like?
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