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vaccine to counties and counties in the state of florida are run by the florida's department of state. they are run by the states. this weekend when the website crashed in broward county, erin, that was the florida department of health directing seniors in their 70s and 80s to go to the website to get an appointment and a vaccine and the website kept crashing. that's the reality, erin. >> rosa. thank you very much. a powerful picture reporting. thanks to you all for watching us as well. anderson starts now. good evening, the president is in georgia tonight ahead of tomorrow's senate run-off there. he'll be in the city of dalton. he spent most of the last two months publicly challenging and privately tampering it. we know likely he won't be spending much time campaigning for the two candidates because that would bget in the way of hm airing his grievances and
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casting doubts in the votes. the president exposed by a taped phone call over the weekend to be leading potential criminal or if not impeachable to steal the election. some lawmakers are covering for him on that are just two days away from launching in the direction of their own and seeking to validate of tens and millions of americans. washington mayor is telling people to stay away from demonstrators and violent from right when i thiing extremists. could you ever imagine seeing anything like that after an election of massive turn-out in accordance of the law of no voter fraud. they find it necessary to issue such a warning sends a message to itself or any or all of which
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is news tonight. we want to begin with that call which we know about. donald trump's ailment bility sg himself. georgia's secretary of state was taping the call. despite what he heard in saturday's hour long conversation, despite the fresh hell the president put him and his family through. the secretary was not going to release the recording unless the president attacks the official or misrepresented the call first. the president had the impulse control of a magnet, he attacked the secretary and out came the tape. >> look, brad, i got to get -- i have to find 12,000 votes.
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i only need 11,000 votes. give me a break. we have that in spades already. >> that's the great negotiator? that's the great deal maker? that's the heart of the deal? fellas, this is a scary bully desperately trying to get out. the president like all boys trying to threatening georgia officials on the call. before we play any of those clips. the state of georgia counted the votes three times. found no fraud or irregulariti s irregularities. the president's answer to that, well, just lies. say you counted again and came out differently. >> there is nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you recalculated. the 2,236 in absentee ballots, i mean, they are all exact numbers that were done by accounting
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firms. and even if you cut in half, it is more votes than we need. >> i am going by small numbers. i won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes. >> he didn't. virtually, no claim he made on this call is true. about half way through brad raffensperger debunks it. >> do you think it is possible that they shredded ballots in fulton county and dominions took out machines. they're moving fast to get rid of their machinery. do you know anything about that?
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because that's illegal. >> no. dominion did not move machines. >> no, but have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts? >> no. >> are you sure, ryan? >> i am sure. i am sure, mr. president. >> what about the ballots, the shredding of the ballots? have they been shredding ballots? >> the only investigation we have into that and they have not been shredding any ballots. >> it is like speaking to a child. that's how you speak to a child. no, they have not done that. no, sir, they have not done that either. and so it goes throughout the call. germany and raffensperger calling them out. >> again, this is all easily,
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provably false and yet the president persist. by doing so undermines georgians faith. we have a big election tomorrow and everyone deserves to have their votes counted and republicans and alike. >> looks like donny jr. is talk ing and getting them riled up. the president floating the idea of pulling out in georgia tonight. i am sure that was really a tough persuade, like he really needed a big push to air his grie grieve grievances.
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the white house made 18 attempted calls to secretary raffensperger and there were small number of republican members, mit romney and other members criticized the president for this and his behavior, they're scared including david perdue who is angry, not about the nation's chief of executive engaged in election tampering. >> i guess i was raised differently. my mom and dad were schoolteachers. to have a statewide official taped without disclosing the president of the united states and leaking it to the press, now it is disgusting. >> apparently the call itself, i
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guess his mom and dad did not mind lies, no problem with that in the perdue family. the call of thug conspiracy does bring back memory, the phone call to ukraine president he got impeached for. the one he says he learned so much from. >> the feds have learned from this case. >> what do you believe the president have learned? >> the president have been impeached, that's a big lesson. i believe he'll be much more cautious in the future 6789. >> again it is like everybody is speaking about a child. oh no, he learned the lesson. he'll be much more cautious in the future. ye yeah, he was not. a dozen of senate colleagues, 140 of the house counter parts
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are committed to challenge the electoral vote counts on wednesday. there is no evidence to back it up. people are talking about it. people believed something was wrong. people are talking about it and some believing that some lawmakers know a lot better. here is ohio's governor mike dewan, tight to makerying to ma something that's already certified. >> a lot of people who are questioning this election. people need to have confidence in the system. if you put together a bipartisan mission, that for the long run is something really should take place. >> why don't we put aside the constitution, just a little bit until people feel better and then we'll bring the constitution back. let's put together a bipartisan
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commission, how much is growing a spine or growing a couple of vertebras or the cowardness we are witnessing now, listen to senator josh hawley, listen to him a year ago. >> the consequences of the republic to overturning a democratic election because you don't like the results and you believe the election was somehow corrupted when the evidence shows that it was not, talking about an election that's not trusted, that's an interesting approach. i think it is crazy frankly. >> now of course he's all in on crazy, frankly but he does not want to be held accountable. senator perdue and loeffler joins the dozen as well. chris murphy is joining us now from connecticut.
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you spoke on the senate floor warning about what president trump and the republican allies were engaged in when it comes to overturning the election. i want to play part of what you said. >> right now the most serious attempt to overthrow our democracy in the history of this country is underway. those who are pushing to make donald trump president for a second term no matter the outcome of the election are engaged in a treachery against their nation. >> if you look at where we are now, it only gotten worse, is it? >> that seems like a lifetime ago i gave that speech. december 11th, we were talking about a handful of lawsuits that were being brought and now we are talking about a full effort to end democracy, the effort that supports the majority of
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republicans in the united states, senate and house combined. they're not successful and it is worth repeating that over and over again. they're not going to win the vote on wednesday. joe biden is going to be the president of the united states, the damage they are doing to our democracy is permanent because they have instilled this belief in a huge portion of the electorate, mostly republicans that supported the president that if a democrat wins the election is illegitimate, it must be of cheating even with no evidence. that's not going to work this time around. it will work and i am telling you two years from now or four years from now, there will be some democrats win in a red state and it will be overturned because of a believe in that state that donald trump is right when democrats win, they cheat. that's the end of american democracy as we know it.
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they're not going to win this time around but ultimately this could be the undoing of american democracy. i think it is that serious. i thought it for a while. >> what they are depending on is they're enough responsible members of congress and senators who will not vote that way along with them so it gives them cover, they are calling for something that threatens the entire system of government and it is completely irresponsible and rep prehensible. they know it is not the case, they want to keep trump's base and happy and keeping them tweeting favorably for a potential run they have two or three years from now but they know they can do it because it won't actually happened. it is reprehensible.
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>> well, so i think that describes a handful of the individual we are talking about. a handful of the senators do know that donald trump lost the election and they are doing this to score cheap political points. i think it is important to recognize that there is a whole bunch of other republicans in congress who actually do believe that their loyalty to the president out strips their loyalty to the country. there are a whole bunch of republicans more so many the house than the senate who are willing the throw out democracy in order to install the president again because they are putting trump's allegiance ahead of the country. they are tired of trump's democracy. i think you got to understand that there are two sets of republicans. some that are doing this for
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crass political reasons. there are some that given up on democracy and that's chilling. >> people at home they listen and they hear you say this is a threat to democracy itself. is that just hyperbole or if you really believe that, how is this a fundamental threat to democracy? >> let's play this out for a second. donald trump is not successful because in gleorgia we have a secretary of state who's going to do the right thing. why would regular republicans put themselves through what the georgia secretary of state is going through right now. only blind partisans that only qanon beliefevers running for these elections. they will overturn a legitimate result and then it will result
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in the people's votes being thrown out. that's one of the ways that this ultimately leads the democracy ending is you get people installed in the elections who are willing the do what the president is asking and that could happen as soon as 2022 or 2024. it is not like ten years or 20 years down the line. >> chris murphy, thank you. our political team weighs in for what we are in this week and how bumpy and we are growing tired to democracy as what murphy just put it. hey dak, what if i sleep hot? ...and i sleep cold? we all used to think we are unshakable. , so couples can sleep better together. and it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you comfortable and help you recover. sleep number. proven, quality sleep from $999. (kids laughing)
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live picture there where the president is expected to arrive. kevin mccarthy dodged about the call today with cnn's manu raju. >> how do you interpret what you heard or what you read of what the president and the georgia's secretary of state were talking about. >> what i read about, the president is concerned of the integrity of the election. >> yeah. the president has been concerned of the integrity of the election. dana bash is not afraid to answer questions. she joins us. david axelrod.
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>> how can kevin mccarthy say that with a straight face? i know how he can but it is amazing that he can. the idea that president trump is concerned of the integrity of ne ki any kind led alone integrity is absurd. >> it is absurd. what he did is a classic punt. he said the obvious. never mind the part that he did not answer because he was not pr pressed on it and was not asked this question. the president does not want to undermine the election integrity. that's what's going on here. that's what is so reprehensible and why you are seeing such a remarkable split within the republican party. the fact of the new year is starting and congress, we are almost going to have a new president, exactly what mitch
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mcconnell was trying to avoid for all of these years during the trump's era is bursting out right now at the end which is between those who are pledging to this president and democracy. tom cotton saying, for example, this is not right, i am going to stick with the constitution and nod what the president is trying to say. >> when you have lawmakers and people in both houses of congress willing to go along with these lies, objecting to the electoral count and wanting
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to invalidate the vote of tens of millions of people that were fairly cast, this is dangerous. >> the answer is practice, practice, they have been doing it for four years. this president fundamentally is to the norms and laws. he does not believe in them. you are a republican and your job is to find these votes and turn this election around. it was not about integrity. it is about undermining the integrity of the election. my big concern of donald trump from the beginning has been that every time you shred a democratic norm is very hard to reassemble.
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you establish new parameters and senator murphy was saying we'll see examples of this again in the future because it is being normalized by these legislat legislatures. >> for a party claims to love the constitution and embrace the constitution, it is just stunning to me that the volume of republican congressmen and women and senators who are willing to just pushing this aside, calling for this bipartisan commission in ten days and every state can decide whether or not accept the election's results which have been excepted. >> i am talking about the civil war and the only time it happened was post civil war.
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during construction was a complete mess, that was when congress stepping in. that's not serious. that's a way for these republicans mostly in the senate but some in the house to show what they are supportive and their constituents who are donald trump's constituents come to believe because this is what they are being told by the president, the media they listen to, by the rule that they live in and these are very well-educated and smart, harvard and legally trained senators who know better and that makes it even more startling the reasons they are doing this. >> dana bash, david axelrod. thank you. >> coming up, we'll talk about republicans lining up to all the
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now. did you ever think it would get to this level? the president is trying to find votes that don't exist and so many congress members and senators going along with it. >> anderson, great to be with you and happy new year. because i am a tuesday night and wednesday columnist and have been for my career. four years ago i wrote the column of "the morning after" trump won and i included of a quote of a friend of mine, of an immigrant in zimbabwe. you americans run your country like a football. it is not a football. be careful. you can drop it and you can break it. i ended my column about trump winning with that quote basically, i began it with that quote.
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i never dreamt that four years lat later, anderson, that we would drop it by our own. that one faction of our party would be willing to throw that egg on the ground to advance themselves is truly shocking and wednesday is going to be a historic day in american history. it will be the first time in our history that we'll see a legislative attempt in america. >> that's what it is. >> what makes it so troubling and you alluded to this is these coup. they're getting one last lick in
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on donald trump's boots in hopes of winning his supporters shall he win 2024, they're going to undermine the integrity of our last election and introduce doubt forever more in the integrity of our election. the synonism -- what profits of the man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul. what does it profit these people if they gain donald trump's endorsement but lose their country and their constitution. it is disgusting. i have two hopes, anderson, if i can say. principle republicans will understand the morning after this, they can't be in the same party with these people. you can't accuse some one in your party of putting donald trump in the constitution and next day be in a party with these people. i hope they'll break up the
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principle republican and start their own party, whatever they want to call it. imagine only five of them split off, it would completely crush the other and they'll become the swing vote in the senate between biden and any majority no matter what happens in georgia. they would have enormous power and the second thing i hope is that cnn and "the new york times" and all of us will combat this big lie with the big truth, the big truth is replay by donald trump's rules, repeat, rinse, repeat rinse. every time one of these people want to come on cnn, we'll identify them as ted cruz hoop-plotter or josh hawley hoop
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plotter. respectfully come up to them and say you are the guy who puts donald trump in front of the constitution. shame on you. only shame and only if every one sees that you are a shame and your name forever will be associated with coup plotter. that's the only hope or someone will try niese agathese again. >> some of these senators know what the truth is and they clearly want trump's support or his base support. trump will turn on them if they say something they did not like. you are selling yourself, i don't understand what they are thinking, yes, they have to hang out and they created this alternate reality and now they have to live in it because their supporters are now believing
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this stuff. i guess they are just more afraid of their supporters than afraid of subverting democracy. >> a couple of things that come to mind. it is amazing and you have expressed this astonishment. please, god, i hope the russians or the chinese and iranians are not watching how cheaply these people will sell out their country. the second thing i would say is do you think donald trump is going to endorse josh hawley over donald trump jr. or ivanka trump? do you think he'll balcony ck a
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these crack pots, ted cruz or josh hawley? i just don't understand. donald trump, the thing that i find the most realistic thing is he's sitting around laughing about ted cruz. if i am donald trump, i am thinking i insulted the guy's wife and he's still licking my boots. it is incredible. i guess it is the astonishment that we all have that people are just ready to give up their integrity so easterily that a m would not sacrifice for them. how do we save this democracy? our kids are watching and you think like kevin mccarthy, i want to ask him, do you live on
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some island you call home at night? what do you saw to your kids? honey, today i put donald trump ahead of the constitution. >> tom freidman, thank you. >> representative james clyburn joins us next. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. choose the app that fits your investing style. ♪ new aveeno® restorative skin therapy. with our highest concentration of prebiotic oat intensely moisturizes over time to improve skin's resilience. aveeno® healthy. it's our nature™. ancestry, with documents, with photographs, i get to define myself through the scores of people who lead to me. bring your family history to life like never before.
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clyburn. congressman clyburn, i appreciate you joining us. what's your level of confidence going into this and especially donald trump? >> well, i am cautiously optimistic that we are going to perform very well in georgia. we have been leaning in pretty heavily and calling on the experience that had on november 3rd. we went into that election day ahead significantly ahead. but, we did not maintain potency on the ground. we are trying to make sure that we don't come up short tomorrow in georgia. >> obviously the incumbent senator, perdue and loeffler stayed in locked step with the
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president of all the lies and debunked conspiracy theory that he's floating. how much of tomorrow's election that you see a referendum and an assault for the democracy? >> that's part of what gives me a little bit of hope that we'll do better than expected in georgia because georgians are embarrassed by what the president is doing. i do believe that there is going to be backlash to it because they're counting on people who show up tomorrow and they're going to show up. >> georgia obviously has a history of voter suppression, how concerned should democrats be about that and frankly do you
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think republicans should be concerned that president trump is going to suppress their turn-out with all the rigged election? >> i do not believe that the georgia's path is going to play a big a role tomorrow. i sincerely believe a lot of georgians have been freed by this efforts and a lot of pressure that's put on the process will not be there. i think all the votes are going to be counted and i think they're goi they're going to come out on top. >> does that benefit democrats? do you believe the race will come down to turn out?
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>> i think so. there is no question about it. i think it is going to come out to turnout and i believe voters significantly because significant number of people are people who did not register to vote before november the 3rd. i think those people who turn 18 after november the 3rd are going to tilt towards democrats. >> when you heard the president's call with georgia's official, i am wondering what you thought? >> i was not surprised but i am very, very disappointed that there is not enough action by my republican colleagues before the phone call or before releasing
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the tape demonstrated some support for the president or challenge some of the foolishness that he put forward. that should be really of concern to every american that the president of the united states on the telephone trying to force a state to do what we have always taught against in this country. i have been on election watch team, i have gone to other countries looking at the process, i was involved headed up to delegation that throughout the election results a. now that's the kind of representation that we have had as a nation. this man is doing everything he possibly can to sully the
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reputation of this country and what the free republic ought to be and that should be a concern to everybody, most importantly elected officials. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> a new fda statement and the idea of boosting a slovak seen roll out and trump's official weighed in on the roll-out and told cnn that "nothing has gone wrong." when heartburn takes you by surprise. fight back fast, with new tums naturals. free from artificial flavors and dyes. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. if you have one hundred thousand dollars or more of life insurance you may qualify to sell your policy. don't cancel
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a fda issued a statement that puts an end to a controversial idea meant to address the slow rollout of the coronavirus vaccine. ahead of the government's effort to develop the vaccine, the fda would meet this week to discuss it. tonight the fda said the fda authorized dosing or scheduling of these vaccines is premature and not rooted solidly in the evidence without appropriate data supporting it. we run a significant risk of placing public health at risk. getting vaccines into arms a major problem right now.
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today the cdc said just over 15 million doses have been distributed. only 4.5 million administered to patients. that's only about 337,000 more than on saturday. the virus took a life every 33 seconds. today another new hospitalization high. more than 128,000. despite all that, the head of the effort told cnn this morning nothing that has gone wrong. and tried to deny the promise of 28 million vaccinated by the end of the year. >> nothing has gone wrong. what we committed to is to have 20,000 doses available for the american people to be immunized with. >> no. it was that 20 million americans would be vaccinated. here is the sound of the promise that was made. listen to this. >> we will deliver 100 million doses of a safe vaccine before the end of the year. it may be quite a bit sooner than that. >> we expect to have approximately 40 million doses by the end of this year, so that
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would allow us to vaccinate 20 million people in december. >> overall in the month of december between the two vaccines, we expect to have immunized 20 million of our american people and keeping 20 million doses for their second immunization a few weeks later. >> okay. i didn't realize you were part of this. you said 20 million people. >> yeah. so i did say that. >> yeah. you certainly did, as did others, including the president. i'm joined by a member of the biden covid-19 advisory board. he resigned from the trump administration last year as a whistleblower. do you agree with the fda that changing the dosing or changing the scheduling of vaccines right now is premature? >> anderson, thanks for having me on. you know, it is really important to follow the science. scientists spent a lot of time and energy conducting really thorough clinical trials. take two full doses to get a
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full, safe and protective immune response. and that's where we should stay right now. that's where the science guides us. i fully support and agree with the assessment of the fda. i'm glad to see they are also following the science. >> what is your going wrong in your opinion right now in getting this stuff out there and getting it into people's bodies? >> anderson, a lot is going wrong. obviously we're far behind all the projections we have heard all yearlong from operation warp speed. they haven't delivered the number of doses. they haven't been produced and released. there is problems in the manufacturing to get those doses that we need to look at to get the supplies and raw materials to make more. there are problems after delivery into the states and the health care systems. the funding hasn't been provided to allow them to staff up and train people to administer the doses. there hasn't been a federal coordinated vaccination plan and program. the federal government working hand in hand with the states and
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local jurisdictions. and also very importantly, the educational process to americans in all cultures in all languages and all pockets of our country haven't been initiated. so there is still this vaccine hesitancy. so people aren't lining up to take the vaccine as quickly as they need to. there is a lot that needs to p improved. president trump made it sound like the military was going to be getting this out. it was going to be done instantly. it was going to be incredible. that's what they were putting -- i mean, they were ignoring, you know, treatment. they were ignoring testing, downplaying all of that. the idea being their emphasis was getting this vaccine out and they failed with that. >> we have seen this all along for this last year, anderson. it's really disappointing. an attempt or an effort to overpromise or underdeliver on numerous occasions. this is the most complicated
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vaccination campaign that we probably face in our country in decades, if not a whole century. so there is a lot of moving parts, and they all have to go well and they all have to be coordinated. i don't think the current administration put the effort to making sure they are coordinated and all the resources are there to get the job done. that's why we're seeing the ka ma'amty and chaos and challenge that we're seeing today. >> with the biden administration coming in, what can be done differently? >> we can do a lot differently. it starts at the top, of course. president-elect biden has made this a whole of government. we're all in this together, shared responsibility effort. we are working closely with the states and communicating with them now in all the various stakeholders to understand where we need to fill those gaps. he's made it very clear he's going to use every tool and every authority available to him to ramp up production of supplies, to ramp up production of vaccine. we're going to push the money out to the states and support them. it's not a handoff.
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the government, federal government did our part. now you do yours. good luck. this is going to be coordinated hand in hand effort all the way through to make sure we are getting those vaccines into the arms of people in every pocket, in the rural communities, in the hard to reach areas, in the latin-x and black populations, tribal nations. it is a completely different approach. i'm proud to see the work going into it. >> i appreciate your time as always. thank you very much. police arrest the leader of the right wing group the proud boys as he arrives in washington. details when we continue. it's time for theraflu hot liquid medicine. powerful relief so you can restore and recover. theraflu hot beats cold.
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more breaking news tonight, police in the district of columbia arrested the leader of the right wing group proud boys with possessing two high powered magazines. also charged with burning a black lives matter banner taken last month during a rally in support of president trump's baseless claims of voter fraud. a separate rally is scheduled for wednesday on affirming the electoral college results. that rally, of course, has authorities seriously worried
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about the potential for violence. the defense department approved a request by the d.c. mayor to deploy forces to support authorities during any demonstrations and there is a chance president trump will address some of those legislators. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris. >> happy new year, brother. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." top of the new year and our collective fate will be greatly influenced by what happens this first week. the retrumplicans are insis tant. they want to ignore reality. every 33 seconds someone now dies in america of covid. every 33 seconds. there is disper ration everywhere. the distribution is a mess. there is no word of or worry about how to improve it by this leadership. and instead of obsessing over the reality, trump and co are even
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