violence. the defense department approved a request by the d.c. mayor to deploy forces to support authorities during any demonstrations and there is a chance president trump will address some of those legislators. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris. >> happy new year, brother. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." top of the new year and our collective fate will be greatly influenced by what happens this first week. the retrumplicans are insis tant. they want to ignore reality. every 33 seconds someone now dies in america of covid. every 33 seconds. there is disper ration everywhere. the distribution is a mess. there is no word of or worry about how to improve it by this leadership. and instead of obsessing over the reality, trump and co are even gaged in the fantasy that our election was a fraud.

yet, these same men and women who say they're so worried about manipulation of votes that they must, they must try to stop our constitutional transfer of power, the same people are stubbornly resistant to the strongest evidence of irregularities that we have. what is the strongest evidence of irregularity? what is, in fact, a smoking gun? this. >> there is nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you have recalculated. all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. flipping is state is a great testament to our country. >> if only on this, trump is the worst we have ever seen.

find me the votes? nothing wrong with that? with pressuring georgia's top election official to overturn his defeat? listen, put a pinky ring on this guy's little hand. he is nothing but a mob boss. listen to this. >> you should want to have an accurate election, and you're a republican. it's more illegal for you than it is for them because you know what they did and you're not reporting it. you know, that's a criminal offense. and, you know, you can't let that happen. that's a big risk to you and to ryan, your lawyer. it is going to be very costly in many ways. >> he has no proof of any of that. he offered in proof of any of that, but it's beginning to be costly. is he going to sleep with the fishes? look, it's a new year, all right? just try to start open.

does this pass the smell test what he's doing with this guy? no. you having trouble with that? pretend biden was saying it. now you got those eyes popping. jim jordon is rolling up his sleeves. biden would be impeached on this alone if they had the numbers. the senate would be holding hearings announced yesterday. but the retrumplicans are just pawns to a gangster. he even game them mobby nicknames, right? lyin ted, little marco. now we are in pain, and they are intent on causing more. they want to focus on a fiction that is nothing but an effort to tear us apart when we need to be together, and they know that. republican them. remember their names. remember their faces.

remember their places and what they failed to do in this moment. you know, many retrumplicans were elected or re-elected on the same ballots they now object to. think about that. they're crying fraud for trump but not their victories. those are legit. how stupid do they think we are? they argue, stop the steal, alongside trump. and now he's on tape literally trying to steal the election again. remember, this ain't his first perfect call. remember him with zelinsky in ukraine? yeah. we're going to help you, but i want you to do a favor for me. this is who he is. he's the worst. but it is about everybody else around him that put him first. they are who you must focus on because they remain. and remember this, their rational for ignoring their

reality, here it is. listen, we have to focus on the fact that the election was fraudulent because that's what has people angry. the people are only angry about that because you have lied to them. you lied about this election, and you know it. how do we know you know it? because your big brain people have no proof. they never offered you any, and they have had dozens of chances to make it true at every level with conservative judges, with republican state officials, with republican legislatures, each and all negating their nugatory nonsense, and they know it. this has never been about law in fact. they have never had it on their side. it is about how angry can they make you? how much can you hate me such that you ignore what they are doing to you? it is the worst president and

political poison we may have ever seen. and, no, no it's not something they all do. there are problems in our political culture, full stop. there are problems with these parties that i would like to discuss, but it is beyond my mandate. i think this two-party system is killing us. but be very clear about where we are in this moment. this is about the retrumplicans, period. exhibit a. the top republican in the house this morning, listen to this guy. >> what i read about, the president has always been concerned about the integrity of the election. and the president believes that there are things that happen in georgia and he wants to see the accountability for it. but, look, does anybody in america think the last election was done well? >> yeah, mccarthy. a lot of people think the election was done well, like the courts, like the 50 states that certified them, including your own. that's exhibit a. here's exhibit b. trump's homeland security department says what i just told

you, okay? his cyber chief. his own attorney general said no mass fraud. what happened to them? they don't get the mccarthy treatment. they don't get to talk to the smiling faces on the couch, right? gone. for what ? telling the truth. you have to play the game. play the game. david purdue, one of the gop senators in the spotlight in georgia, right, fighting to keep his job. he was asked about this tape. he says it's disgusting. not what trump did. the secretary of state recording and releasing it. leave it to a moneyed stop jockey to hate the exposure of an inside game. the truth literally sickens these people. and remember this. i'm not telling you something that isn't known, that you don't even know by now. the truth is known. their own party members confirm it. takes us to exhibit c. >> there is no shredding of

ballots going on. that's not real. it's not happening. no one is changing parts or pieces out of commdominion voti machines. the secretary does not have a brother named ron. that is also not real. the president tweeted that out as well. >> that guy is a republican, by the way. it is the night before the runoff elections in georgia. they will decide the balance of power in the senate. now, look, i don't know who wins. frankly, to me it doesn't matter because i know what has to change. it doesn't matter which party wins. the focus is what has to change, and it has to be on you. congress has to get off of their inside game and back on to you. that's part of my job. and it's really the responsibility of you in watching me to create the mandate of checking them. your problems are real. they're r

they're resonant. and the people gifted your ability to do your bidding, they need to remember who put them there. so far this president-elect does seem to get that. >> politicians cannot assert, take or seize power. power is given, granted by the american people alone. we're a nation built on honor, decency, dignity and respect. that's who we are. >> that's who we are at our best. now sometimes you got to go through a test to get to your best. and i, for one, hope there is a really ugly and obvious event on january 6th in congress. why? i don't want drama. but i want you to see the truth. i want you to see who stands up and on what basis and remember the names and faces who try to give the bums' rush to uncle

sam. make no mistake that's what's happening. they are attacking our democracy and therefore our country's foundation. be clear, there is no way to qualify an opposition that's based on no proof. it can only be a brazen broadside. that's how they set it up. but here's the good news for 2021. we won. i don't care what party you are. again, i think that whole system is part of the problem. we'll get to that another time. the institutions that secure our democracy won. they got the rust knocked off of them by revolt and they with stood the worst blows from these people that we have seen in the modern era. uncle sam was too much for trump and co. you know, i was looking at this picture of him, and i got to be honest, i never got it. i never got the look. why so wisened? such garish clothes? but now doesn't uncle sam seem perfectly suited for the moment?

he's got that covid look. he has the beard, the head of wrinkles. even the outfit. it's kind of cool, man. turns out fighting for democracy never goes out of style. and that look in his eye, that's what gets me. a lot of us have a look now. check it out. why? it's the stink eye. he's sick of it. he's sick of being sick. he's sick of people trying to make us sick. uncle sam is us. united states of america, uncle sam. there has never been a time that calls for us to remember that we have to come together, that our strength is in the collective than right now. so let's point forward. let's find a better course and let's get after it. tonight that means starting with an election official in a state making the most headlines. matt gnash billio

matt is a trump voter, okay? he has been investigating the fraud claims and he wants to come on to tell us what the reality is in his state on the eve of it being the focus of the nation. welcome. best of the new year to you and your family. >> happy new year to you, chris. glad to be here. >> i know people have been talking to you about your position saying, man, i'm so sorry you are in a jam. you are a republican. you should be proud of it. and your party does not have to be coopted by one and his interest. what do you have for this audience to understand in terms of how the election was conducted in the state of georgia and how you feel about the results? >> well, the first thing i would like to point out in georgia is that for the first time ever we have voter verified paper receipts that each in person in presinct voter looked at and verified that, yes, this was my vote. every election we had computerized voting, we had 300

to 800 dcomplaints that the machine flipped the vote because of calibration issues or whatever. but this time we didn't have a single report. i did not get a single report of a voter who said the machine printed out the incorrect candidate that i did not choose. and we have never had that before. >> the signatures were fake. they found ballots thrown out and they found ballots that were -- that were played with and dominion has taken stuff out of its machines. you look at those, and what do you find? >> yeah. the signature check was the largest mobilization by the gbi in its history to examine signatures, and there was a specific complaint about cobb county, so we investigated cobb county and they didn't find a single instance of fraud. they did find two voters who

probably should have been notified of a mismatch and they tracked it down and the voters confirmed, yes, that was my vote. there was zero evidence of signature fraud in the largest examination of it in the gbs history. >> you are a rhino. you are a republican in name only. you have been duped and paid off and that's why you are ignoring the obvious. that's what you will be told. your response? >> i actually have been told that about things that i witnessed myself. and, so, it's kind of awkward when, for example, i was at the english avenue tabulation center when the election director announced we're counting again at state farm to everybody in the room. and then people come to me and say there was secret voting at state farm. i was like, that was a terribly kept secret because everybody five miles away in a different building knew about it. so that was a terribly kept

secret if it was supposed to be a secret because we all knew about it. >> what do you say to members of your party or supporter of trump who say if you say what you are saying right now, especially to cuomo, you are not one of us. you are going bad on your own party. what do you say? >> well, there are people who are upset and as we talk to -- as we talk to them, they're very passionate about the election. but most of them are involved in things like tabulation for the very first time. it is like when you are on an airplane and you are on with a first-time flier and the landing gear goes up and wheel well and you hear the thump. for a first-time flier that's very disturbing and, you know, they will say, what's that? what's that? the plane has got a problem. and i have been doing tabulation for 25 years, so 25-year frequent flyer will go, no, that's just normal.

that's okay. and so you have an example about the shredding of the ballots. those were in cobb county at jim miller park, it took me five seconds and i saw that's the white envelope. it's the white ballot envelope that the ballot goes in. >> right. >> every good conspiracy has a little bit of truth in it. lastly, you know, it is no small irony i'm sure to you or to me that the same men and women that are saying, you can't trust them down there are ignoring what trump said to your secretary of state on a recorded call. have you ever heard anything like that from somebody in high office? and how do you explain members of your party in congress ignoring it? >> yeah. first i thought the secretary did a really great job.

if i have an employee who needs to tell someone in a position of to national authority that they're wrong about something, i would like to use that as a training model. i thought they did a remarkably good job in doing that. but the -- i'm glad -- there are people that are upset that the tape was released. but i'm glad that it was because when the lindsey graham thing happened, i didn't know who said what to who. but here i was able to listen who said what to who and the things that i knew personally from my own personal knowledge that were related by ryan and the secretary were correct. >> would you have voted for trump if you had heard a call like this before you cast your vote, him saying find me the votes? come on. look, i know i won. it will be a good thing. it could be bad for you if you

don't do it. would you have voted for him? >> yeah. the recounting -- it was recalculating. the recalculating is a real problem. election lawyers, election contest lawyers are used to hearing margin plus one, margin plus one. that's the holy grail of an election contest so it could get the remedy. but that's of illegal ballots. that's not going to switch margin plus one or go to recall cue late, so that's problematic. >> if you heard this, if you were aware this is where trump's head was on this, would you have voted for him? >> i would have to -- i would have to -- i would have to -- i can't answer a hypothetical, but i would have to first say who is advising him and telling him how contests work? and, so, you know -- >> why does he have to know how a contest works to know you don't cheat and ask somebody to cheat for you. that's what he's doing in the call; is he not?

>> you got this margin plus one, margin plus one and everybody has heard about that. >> but he never mentioned that, matt. he just said find me the votes. >> right. but he doesn't know that the remedy of an election contest is you don't declare the true winner. the remedy of election contest is if it's a state race, you order a new election. as the president, you just don't seek the electors. so he's still stuck on this idea that somebody can still at the state level declare him the winner, and that's just not true. >> well, he's wrong about the process. but he's also wrong about asking somebody from his own party to cheat for him. matt, look, you did your job the right way. you are willing to talk about it in a time where that can carry a heavy price, so i wish you well and i thank you for your candor. >> thank you for having me. and just i would rather people put their passion into standing in the voting lines and go vote rather than be on twitter. >> and it's good to know that you can tell them it will be carried out the right way. be well. >> yeah. yeah.

this will be the most looked at election that's ever been possible in georgia's history, and, so i have no -- there is nothing that has caused me to -- that's proof to doubt the outcome. >> good. thank you very much. all right. so there you have it. okay? another republican voted for trump. looked at these things. says there is nothing there. and by the way, he's still given a lot of cover to trump. oh, he doesn't understand what it is. the guy is asking for them to cheat. trump understands more than well. i promise you that. the question is, what he did on that call, how wrong is it? is it a crime? should it be investigated? i think it is a legit question. we have two perfect guests, a former trump impeachment counselor and former trump white house lawyer next. ercials with . so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wo what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual! what does it do bud? it custozes our home insurance

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point of fascination. so we got matt nashburn. here's the call. doesn't like what he hears on the call. and when i ask him, would you have voted for trump again if you knew that this kind of stuff is what he'd say, he gives him a break. what is it with you people that keeps giving trump a break no matter what he says or what he does. how can any of you guys hear what he says on the tape and not find it damning. >> i don't think we are giving him a break. i think people are speaking out against that call and saying the right things and saying that it is dangerous and saying that it's troubling and saying all the things that they should be saying because it is the right thing to do. i think liz cheney coming out was tremendously beneficial for the republican party and i think people should be paying more attention to what she's saying because it matters.

what the heck was the president of the united states making a call to a second tier elected official in a state. i was general council to a governor in a pretty big state in pennsylvania. when the president of the united states called, i don't care what party you are in. it is a big deal when the president calls. the president doesn't call second tier elected officials. it wasn't the right call. he shouldn't have made the call to begin with and certainly shouldn't have had that dialogue. >> the least of trump's problems is that he had the audacity to call a second tier guy. although he's in charge of the discourse of the election in that state. but, norm, him making the call was the least of his problems. what he said on the call should be examining. what do you see? >> well, chris, i think the president is facing serious criminal exposure here. when he asked, he just wants

11,780 votes, that triggers the federal election fraud statute and eva statutes and even more troubling, chris, this is also against the law in this state. and, so, we have seen already that the -- perhaps the greatest imminent threat to donald trump is the manhattan d.a. guess what, chris? trump just inherited a bookend, the full ton county d.a. she is going to be a thorn, i predict, in trump's side because he has exposed himself criminally under the georgia laws forbidding solicitation for election fraud. >> but you know they're not going to get him, norm. the better question is do you think they should even go after him? does it go any good in the interest of justice, in the interest of america to have more

people going after him for what he does all the time anyway? >> well, chris, you have talked about the pattern here. that's what's so, so troubling, you know. we had russia, if you are listening, you will be mightily rewarded. ukraine, can you do us a favor, though? now we have i just need 11,780 votes. and i do think they're in a rule of law system there has to be koconsequences consequences. i think they may go after him. i think it is good it happens in the states. let it operate at distance from the federal government so there is no taint of the next president going after the last one. so i think there is serious exposure. >> look, that's why i want your head in this. i have been just made cynical by this. i really believe that the president is right. i think he should shoot somebody

in the middle of fifth avenue and get away with it. everybody ignores what he does. you have men and women in your party right now who are hell bent for leather they have to hold up the transfer of power because the people demand it because there are irregularities. but they ignore this tape? >> i thought it was -- in 2004 to 2016 when some democrats did it, i thought it was garbage then. i don't think it is a good idea this time either. so, no, i don't think we should be holding up, holding up this election. i think if people want to talk about the individual voter laws in each individual state, that can be done if the people of that state want it they're going to speak through their legislatures. >> right. >> they can hold hearings. they can change laws. they can make voting more secure. that's the dialogue that needs to be happen anything this country right now. at the state level and at a federal level to some extent. >> i have no problem with that. i have a problem that when these

issues came up in 2016 members of your party said it was sore loser and encouraged nothing about it. so i have no problem of fixing what's wrong. the election process is imperfect and that's being gentle. you know it. you don't get to complain about it when it doesn't work to your advantage. you say when a democrat didn't like it, i have to reject it. you never heard a democrat say anything like what trump just said on that tape and what he just said moments ago. listen to what just came out of his pie hole. listen to this. >> i hope mike pence comes through for us. i have to tell you. i hope that our great vice president, our great vice president comes through for us. he's a great guy. of course if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. >> so it's pence's fault. i mean, look, jimmy, just there. >> hold on. let me clarify what i said. in 2016 and 2004 there were

democrats on the floor of the house that did the same thing then that the republicans are doing now. >> they never challenged the electors. >> that was the point i was making. >> they never challenged the electors? >> they didn't? they never had debates on a vote. >> they didn't hold it up because they didn't get a senator to do it. but there were members of the house that did it in 2016 and had a senator going along with it, they probably would have been done the same thing. >> well, because they didn't have a democrat. >> but don't make a fathers and mothers equivalency. >> i'm not making a false equivalency. >> norm, take it this way. what the president is asking for -- >> i want to talk. >> jimmy, hold on a second. what the president is asking for. what is he asking for and what is the reality? >> when the president says he wants pence to do the, quote, right thing, which we know is the wrong thing, he's telling pence when he goes in the chair on wednesday, january 6th in the

purely ministerial role, chris, of the presiding officer over this joint session of congress that he wants pence to recognize these phony allegations and to strike down the legitimately elect elected states. we know he has been pressing pence to do that. it is a betrayal of his oath. it is a call for a coup with a gavel instead of a rifle. let's hope that, and we expect that, the vice president will not do that. >> well, look, i got to jump. i appreciate your guys take on this. >> chris, let me jump in here. i think the vice president is going to do the right thing and carry out the duties as he's required which is those ministerial duties that norm is talking about. i think the vice president is going to do the right thing. >> point worth making, the vice president has been invited on

the show many times. i will say this. mr. vice president, you are being set up by the president and it's not fair. you shouldn't have even been asked to do it. it is beneath the dignity of his office and yours. appreciate you. appreciate you both. all right. so trump wants to be president very badly, very badly. why? why? he's ignoring the pandemic. he always has. he has 16 days left. the vaccine, which i would argue would be his biggest positive contribution to this country, he got behind warp speed. he made the bed and he won. but now the rollout to disaster and he's not doing anything to fix it. he won't even address it. that's what we have to address. let's get it after next. before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new?

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operation warp speed was a strong move, and it paid off in the form of a gift, the vaccine early. why are we wasting it? why are we allowing distribution to suck? retrumplicans nodded to claims of herd immunity this year, okay? here is their reality. they said, yeah, yeah.

no, this year we're going to get this. this pace gets us there in 2027. how many more dead empty seats, empty hards, sick who can't work who will never fully recover thanks to long haul? how many will it take? our team jumped on the vaccination effort early because no process benefits from the combined vac seem created by a lack of transparency and no clear structure of who was in charge of what. this is destined to fail. we're going to struggle. but the administration told you the goal was this. >> we expect that in the second quarter of next year we'd have enough vaccine for all americans that want it. >> so that would mean administering 3.5 million shots a day, a day. the reality 15 million doses have been delivered but less

than a third of that administered. okay? we're way behind. that's 4.5 million shots over 21 days. they said we need three and a half shots a day. you get it? we're failing. we're falling short. why? because it was an unrealistic goal. that's on them. but we're also not fixing the process to make it as good as we can and that's on us. they didn't walk the walk. why? no plan, no transparency, just more trumpery. this is what you get from them. >> the holiday period is behind us. i am optimistic this number is going to go up. yeah. it is not about optimism. it is about planning and follow-through. here is the fact. in the last few days, numbers have actually gone down. okay? and then there is this. >> we will work with the states. we need specific requests for help. we are sitting here ready to help them when they tell us where to help them. we're inviting them to ask them

for help and we'll help them. >> they don't even know what to ask for and you don't get back to them very quickly and they don't know who to call and you know. no state is choosing to slow walk this. yet, only four states have managed to administer half of their doses. why? because it's hard. okay? now, some states dispute the cdc figures. 11 states have more than 75% of their doses still sitting in the freezers. there is no question this is a problem on many different levels, but it is hard on many different levels. you should have been prepping for this in the months that you had. why is it hard? paperwork? each shot takes a long time. okay? you have freezer capacity. it remains a problem. this is special storage and a lot of places don't have the capacity for out. falling on the backs of exhausted hospital workers. why? because they didn't give the states money and the states don't have it to hire more people to do this.

they don't have the resources. so if this is a problem that the states could manage on their own, then wouldn't at least one of them be on pace? no state wants to be in this situation. only the federal government has the resources to pull us out of this generational medical crisis. at the end of the day, economically it will hurt but only the federal government can print money. rather than focus on that, the fed devotes their energy to what you just saw, destroying confidence and the ability of the states to do it. the reality, even if there is a democracy left when they turn to run again, unless they focus on the need, they're going to be running in another pandemic election in two years. the scariest part of the trump intimidation of the georgia officials is not what he's doing but why he is doing it. we have a great guest. his niece is a clinician, and she thinks, don't worry about

what he's doing. focus on why he's doing it. and she has a personal and psychological take i have not heard before. next.

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mary trump, the president's niece, author of "too much and never enough," clinical psychologist, welcome back. happy new year. you spoke to me again because i thought this was about your uncle trying to exert authority over everybody else, to show he's still got the power, to show he can manipulate the system. you say i've got it all wrong again, that this is a fear response that we're seeing. explain. >> well, first of all, happy new year, chris. it's great to be here. we are seeing a man who is if a position he's never been in before. on the one hand, donald has never won legitimately in his life. but winning has always been the point, not the process. it doesn't matter if you lie, cheat, steal, use somebody else's power connections. as long as you get the win, that's really all that matters

because in my family, certainly according to my grandfather, the worst thing that you could possibly be is a loser, which is why we see donald going to such great lengths to at least sew doubt in the minds of voters enough so that he could perhaps get the results in one state overturned. that wouldn't be enough to change the results of the election, but maybe it happened in other states, too. so while what he's doing is personal, as you have pointed out, he's not interested in doing the job. he couldn't care less about the job. he's interested in the power and the protections it affords him. so the problem, though, is that because he's so desperate and because he has so much to lose, he's being to bend anybody to his will. none of this is performtive for him. he literally wants to undermine

the legitimate results of this election so he can stay out of trouble and not be branded the loser he actually is. >> what was he thinking about making that call to the secretary of state? do you think that he just and the other big brains around him would think nobody would be recording him? >> he was thinking he's always done this. why should now be any different? if he believes that he deserves to win, no matter what it takes, no matter how many people have to commit sedition and other crimes against our constitution, then they should do it because he's donald and he should get whatever he wants because that's what his father always made sure happened. you know, the problem is that it's causing incalculable damage to our system. you said earlier that you think that he could get away with shooting somebody on fifth avenue. the problem is he's shooting the constitution in the heart on pennsylvania avenue and people

who could stop him are not stopping him. and we're in extremely dangerous territory right now. >> when does it end? >> you know, the next couple of days are going to be extraordinarily interesting. and by that i mean terrifying because i think what happens in georgia will in part determine or at least influence what happens in the senate on wednesday. and either way, donald -- because donald doesn't really care about georgia. he only cares about what happens on wednesday. and the fact that he's got over 140 republicans in the house and over 11 senators willing to commit sedition on his behalf is probably making him feel confident. but, you know, i don't think it's going to happen. but what we need to keep in mind is that for the republicans this is a dress rehearsal. they're normalizing thing it is way things have always been

normalized for donald so that the next time we have a close election, they will get away with it. >> something else i don't get. if he likes mike pence, why would he set him up the way he just is it just ignorance he doesn't get, all he's thinking about is how wednesday actually works? otherwise, he just set up mike pence to take the fall for it not going his way on wednesday when mike pence as vp has no role other than a ceremonial ministerial one. he has no discretion to change anything that happens on that day. >> first of all, we need to remember that every single relationship donald has is transactional. if you can be of use to him, he likes you. if you refuse to be of use to him, he doesn't care about you and will throw you under the bus. what he's doing is making other people believe that pence actually is capable of doing

something to save donald on wednesday, even though as you just pointed out, that is not at all the case. so by making other people believe that, he thinks that he's putting pence under more pressure. and again, i think it's going to come down to what happens tomorrow and how much more the republican party thinks they need to continue appeasing donald and his base. >> boy, i'll tell you. what an amazing, you know, bizarre, whatever kind of word that you want to put to it, that all of these hostile, aggressive, obnoxious actions are actually a function of fear. mary trump, thank you very much for your take. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much, chris. >> all right. so, georgia is going to be a big deal. will decide what congress looks like and how it acts. little question about that. how will it turnout? how do the democrats think it may go for them? could they really win?

georgia went blue in november in the big race, but what will happen now? stacey abrams, really the person responsible for shining a light on georgia and how things work there, that's the irony the republic cans are saying is the problem. this democrat is the one who lit that fire. what's happening now? next. o tell you how liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need. isn't that what you just did? seservice! ♪ stand back, i'm gonna show ya ♪ ♪ how doug and limu roll, ya ♪ ♪ you knonow you got to live it ♪ ♪ if you wanna wi... [ music stops ] time out! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

stacey abrams, what's with this stacey abrams? [ booing ] you know, your governor, your governor and your secretary of state, they're petrified of stacey abrams. they say they're republicans. i really don't think they are. they can't be. >> what's up with this stacey abrams? why don't we ask her. here she is. look, you know, this is the bizarre world that we live in. you are being actively weaponized by this president, and we know why. you make a great foil for him with the people in georgia. what do you make of what we're seeing from him and what is your take on what's happening in the state in these elections? >> well, first of all, i think he's forgotten who he's here to talk about and it's a sad day when the best he can do in order

to rally the troops is to spend too much time talking about me. we're spending our time talking about jon ossoff and rafael warnock and we were proud to have vice president joe biden, soon to be president joe biden here in georgia to talk about how to win these elections. it's not by trying to relitigate an election he has now lost in georgia four times. it's not by creating conspiracy theories and spinning them out on hour-long phone calls. it's by doing the work that we've done on the ground, knocking on doors, talking to voters and really connecting the dots between covid relief, good jobs, good access to health care and justice, and those are only things we will get if tomorrow democrats turnout and vote for jon ossoff and rafael warnock. >> two things. one, about the state of play. the next one the election itself. state of play. respond to the following. why is stacey abrams saying that trump is wrong to raise questions about georgia? she was the first one to do it. now he raises the questions,

they're not questions any more. what's your response? >> number one, my questions weren't about the outcome of the election. i never challenged the numbers. i challenged the system. and i fought to make certain that every vote that got cast got counted. i had no notion of whether those votes would be counted for me or not, but i fought to make certain every vote got counted. and once that process completed, i started a fair fight to ensure we never had to question whether voters would be heard from again. what he is attempting to do is the exact opposite. he only wants the voters he likes to be heard. he's doing his best to dismantle the system. he's arguing against a system we fixed through fair fight and through the democratic party, that meant no matt effort where you lived in the state of georgia, if you filed an absentee ballot and you needed to fix a mistake, you were notified. in 2018 it was up to the local elections official if you knew how to fix your ballot, which is why if you were black or latino or asian american, your ballot was twice as likely to be rejected. if you were young, it was five

times more likely. this election that wasn't the problem. and so there's absolutely no comparison except both of us used the word vote. i'm fighting against voter suppression to make sure voter access is always available and he's fighting to make himself the victor by disenfranchising and disallowing voters he doesn't care for. there is nothing common in what we're doing, and it's a deep disservice to georgians to think his allegations, fraud lend allegations should have any countenance in the work we do to make sure every voice, every vote counts. >> do you think you have a chance of winning either of the special elections? >> absolutely. we have seen record turnout. in 2008, the high water mark for a runoff election, 2.1 million voters cast their ballots. as of today, more than 3 million have already voted early. and of that number, 112,000 are people who didn't vote in november, but believed it was so important that they showed up. 40% of those voters are black voters and 22% of those voters

are under the age of 25. those are communities that wouldn't normally show up, but they understand how critical this election is s and we think that they are excellent harbingers of what can happen tomorrow if every voter shows up, if every voter believes their vote matters. >> stacey abrams, well argued and thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for watching. the big show with the big man d. lemon now. >> i'm all hopped up on energy drink i stole from your office when you were on air. >> what p? >> i went in your office -- >> it wasn't my office. >> yeah, it was your office. >> are you sure it was energy drink? sometimes you put things in those. >> let me see. do you rock this? >> oh. >> yeah, thank you, sir. >> does it snell like tequila? >>