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night please join me for a cnn special report. the trump insurrection 24 hours that shook america. that's at 10:00 eastern sunday night only here on cnn. thanks for watching. erin burnett outfront starts right now. the white house is in crisis mode. the twitter has responded president donald trump's account permanently silencing him as democrats plan to introduce their first article of impeachment on monday. plus the man who broke into house speaker nancy pelosi's office is in custody tonight as we learn another rioter packed his truck with molotov cocktails, a hand gun, and an assault rifle. new reporting tonight on the president pressuring a republican senator into stalling joe biden's victory as rioters were terrorizing the u.s. capitol. good friday evening i'm erin
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burnett. outfront tonight the breaking news the white house tonight in full crisis mode. twitter has suspended the president's account permanently. democrats are fast tracking the impeachment of president trump now for the second time planning to introduce an impeachment resolution on monday. we have obtained a draft of an article of impeachment accusing the president of incitement of insurrection. as i said, a dramatic move by twitter. the platform that has been trump's main method of communication with the american people from day one. as he said so himself so many times, he has relied on twitter almost ex-clues uvclusively and now suspended the president's account permanently they say due to the risk of further incitement of violence. we'll have much more on this breaking development as three white house advisers tell cnn trump is saying he did nothing wrong. now, though, republican senator lisa murkowski, the first republican to call on trump to step down now, has told the anchorage daily news and i
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quote, senator murkowski, i want him to resign. i want him out. he has caused enough damage. he doesn't want to stay there. he only wants to stay there for the title. he only wants to stay there for his ego. well, it is true. and it is trump's ego and his concern only for himself that has led to this fragile and dangerous moment for all of us americans. the day that will forever be remembered in history started just after 12:00 on wednesday. >> i've been in two elections. i won them both. and the second one i won much bigger than the first. okay? you'll never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength. and you have to be strong. so let's walk down pennsylvania avenue. >> okay. so then trump left the mob. he left the mob to go ahead. he went back to the white house where he watched we have learned with enthusiasm and excitement as rioters stormed the capitol. so at 2:23 p.m., this is what
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was airing around the world and of course in the white house. >> wolf, this is something i have never seen in my time covering capitol hill that protesters actually breached not just the building but have come inside the building and just steps from where u.s. senators have been debating on the senate floor. >> 2:23 p.m. rioters steps from u.s. senators and from the vice president who of course was presiding over that senate floor. so what did trump do at 2:24 p.m.? one minute later? he tweeted about his vice president and this is what he said. mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. u.s.a. demands the truth. so that was 2:24. two minutes then passed. it is now 2:26 p.m.
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this is what you, me, all of us were watching on tv. 2:26 p.m. trump again takes action. this time he picks up the phone. he calls republican senator mike lee who at the time was huddled with his senate colleagues in a temporary holding room because of the security breach. so did the president call out of concerns for lee's safety? no. trump according to lee misdialed. he thought he had called republican senator tommy tuberville. lee passed his phone to tuberville who was also huddled in the room. trump talked to him for nearly ten minutes. according to a source he was trying to get tuberville to try to delay the vote to confirm biden's win. that is what he was talking about while they were huddled because they were under attack and evacuated and of course delaying the vote is exactly what the mob was trying to accomplish. it was already happening thanks to trump's mob. and then lee eventually had to interrupt the phone call reportedly telling tuberville, quote, i don't want to interrupt your call with the president but we're being evacuated and i need my phone. we'll have more on this
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remarkable story coming up. back to the timeline about an hour passes. the situation is more and more dangerous. at 4:00 video is out of protesters breaking windows. there has been an armed stand-off on the house floor. we've all seen the unbelievable picture. so around this time house gop leader kevin mccarthy talks to trump. he tries to tell him, this is a really serious thing. this is a problem. he implores the president to forcefully denounce the attackers. the exchange was heated and trump refused to do it. so trump then pressured by his advisers to address the rioters. and this is part of the video that he finally put out at 4:17 p.m. >> we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election. and everyone knows it. especially the other side. but you have to go home now. >> stolen, landslide win, guns
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on the house floor, broken windows. but go home. it was all about him. and the clock ticked on. at 6:00 p.m. eastern again the images that were being broadcast around the world and in the white house, the capitol torn apart. lawmakers' offices ransacked. look at this. trump supporters also at that time were in a stand-off with riot police. there was a curfew in effect. the president did come out at 6:01 at that moment. and this is what he did. he tweets. these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide victory is so unceremoniously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly treated for so long. that is what he did and said when he saw those images. what would he have been without twitter? that was it. we would not hear from him for almost 24 hours. in that time four people died in connection to the riot. at least 10 staffers resigned. cabinet secretaries were out the
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door. vice president mike pence was urged to invoke the 25th amendment. they still haven't even talked. and the call for impeachment was loud and clear. and so at that moment this was the only way president trump thought he could save his presidency. >> like all americans i am outraged by the violence, lawlessness, and mayhem. now congress has certified the results. a new administration will be inaugurated on january 20th. my focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power. this moment calls for healing and reconciliation. >> the video made with one objective which was to hold off efforts to remove trump from office. do it or else. so he did it. it was about him. since then, trump of course has still not mentioned the five people who died during the riot. he hasn't spoken live to the american people. he hasn't mentioned the more than 11,000 people who died from coronavirus in the past 72 hours.
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kaitlan collins begins our coverage outfront live near the white house. as we go through that timeline and juxtapose those images with the president's actions it is disturbing but one thing that stands out is that twitter is so crucial to him even at that moment that was the primary way he communicated with the world. and now that's over. permanently. >> reporter: it's pretty stunning to see, erin, that the president can no longer use this main form of communication he has relied on for so many years. really the tweets from yesterday and the last few days really sum it all up because it is pushing his messages to the lawmakers that were doing his bidding, people like tommy tuberville and josh hawley and others but also criticizing people who weren't doing what he wanted in this case the vice president and so it is just remarkable that now the president had this form of communication he often bragged about so often how easily he could talk to 90 million supporters and now it is gone like that. we don't even know how the president will respond because
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typically he would tweet about it. we are waiting and asked the white house if they have any comment. they have not responded so far. i imagine the president will not be happy about this. i think you're right this comes in this context of what we've seen play out over the last several days and now what is happening inside the west wing where the president finds himself more isolated than ever. he has been ex-communicated from a lot of senior staffers who are not speaking to him right now or not wanting to be around him right now and given what's been going on and also of course impeachment talk is ramping up. people in the white house were kind of in a state of disbelief that they are facing down a potential second trump impeachment within a year of the last one and i think it is something that the white house aides who are still grappling with what happened on wednesday now are facing, you know, what can be a very tumultuous 12 days of his final few days in office. >> one thing that was highlighted by that timeline is that vice president pence is on the senate floor about to do his job. and, you know, we've heard there were people in that mob who were literally talking about killing
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him. and horribly gruesome way. and the president goes on twitter and slams him. and what is the status of their relationship right now, trump and pence? >> reporter: it's the lowest point it's ever been. they're not even speaking to each other right now. they have not spoken since that happened on wednesday. we've reported the president never called to check in on his most loyal deputy while he was on the senate floor being evacuated because of what was going on including the people who were trying to target the vice president based on witnesses and the vice president was at the white house today. we saw him come into work in his motorcade the first time he had been there since wednesday. we are told he and the president did not have any communication today which is notable given that the vice president and the president often speak on the phone at least several times a day and he is often in the oval office. but that's where the relationship is right now. the president has been basically entirely consumed with his grievances with mike pence as he was on wednesday. as those pro trump, that pro trump mob was breaching capitol hill he was still complaining about the vice president back at
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the white house. according to several people i spoke with who had been on the phone and in person with the president. one thing we should note to give you a sense of the reactions and how they're taking two completely different paths here, today we were told the vice president called the family of the slain capitol hill police officer who of course was only the fourth capitol police officer to die in the line of duty in the 200 years since it has been a force. and meanwhile at the white house you notice behind me you see the flag, it is at full staff. that is not what you see on capitol hill where they lowered the flags to half staff in honor of the police officer who was killed as a result of injuries that he sustained as that pro trump mob was attacking capitol hill. and the white house put out a statement that was not in the president's name. he personally did not weigh in on twitter before his account got suspended and they have not lowered those flags to half staff despite us asking multiple times if they had planned to do so. >> thank you, kaitlan. i want to go outfront on capitol hill and a lot to talk about
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there including a stunning phone call to mr. lee and tuberville. democrats are now circulating a draft article of impeachment. what does it say and, you know, we got 12 days left here. what is the timeline? >> reporter: certainly erin there is a lot of momentum behind this on the part of democrats and frankly some republicans up here on capitol hill which only speaks to the outrage, the anger, and the desire to see president trump get out of office. now, on monday we will see the house democrats introduce their impeachment resolution. there is just one article of impeachment for incitement of an insurrection and in part the resolution reads, quote, president trump gravely endangered the security of the united states and its institutions of government. he threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a branch of government. he therefore betrayed his trust as president to manifest injury of the people of the united
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states. and we potentially could see things move very quickly up here on capitol hill next week after they introduce that resolution on monday the house rules committee will be meeting, setting the terms of the debate. they potentially could move erin toward a final vote in the house of representatives potentially tuesday or wednesday. of course then is when it likely will get passed it will be kicked over to the senate where they have the potential to slowwalk this before january 20th the ultimate day president trump will be leaving office. >> okay. so this is obviously important. we'll be talking to someone in charge of these impeachment articles in a moment. i want to ask you about your reporting. that phone call we talked about at the top of the program, that president trump made to senator lee, who at the time was huddled under attack. the president was actually intending to call senator tuberville. called the wrong number. riots under way. tell me what more you are learning about this. >> reporter: well, what is really so stunning about that phone call, erin, you did a great job laying it out, is the time that phone call came in.
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2:26 p.m. at that time it shows where president trump's concerns were. his concerns were with his political future. his concern was getting the senators to join in the effort to not certify the results of election. at 2:26 when this capitol was under siege, members of his party, his vice president was up here, he was calling what he thought was senator tuberville. he called senator mike lee and he, mike lee put senator tuberville on the phone who president trump actually wanted to speak to and was trying essentially to lobby him, coerce him, hail mary in the end, to try to get him to stand up and object to more state certifying electoral votes. this just speaks to where president trump's concern was as the senators are being removed from room to room up here on capitol hill because of the danger and the threat. we was focused squarely on -- he was focused squarely on political motivations and
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getting capitol hill to not confirm the results of the election. there was another phone call that came in to senator lee at 7:00 p.m., hours after the siege was going on, when the debris was just starting to be cleaned up here on capitol hill. from rudy guiliani the president's attorney again saying similar things and again that message was supposed to be for another senator. >> wow. thank you very much. i want to go to the democratic congressman jason crow who served as house impeachment manager during the impeachment of president trump in 2019 and obviously we talked during that time so, congressman, you know the ins and outs of this. and we've now learned that you, house democrats, are going to introduce articles of impeachment as soon as monday and we saw the draft of one article. so putting all of this together in the timeline we have, when do you expect a vote? >> i don't think we know enough to know when we have a vote. it is possible i think it could happen as quickly as mid to late
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next week. but the bottom line remains we just need to do this as quickly as possible because donald trump is a very violent and dangerous man. he is unstable. he is not well. as we've seen not just over the last four years but on full display on this past wednesday he is a danger to not just the domestic security of our nation and the security of individual americans but our national security as well. it has to stop as quickly as we can make it stop. >> so we have 12 days left in this country in the term of president donald trump and the president-elect biden was asked about the impeachment process today and the timing. here's what he said. >> if we were six months out, we should be doing everything to get him out of office. impeaching him again. trying to invoke the 25th amendment. whatever it took to get him out of office. but i am focused now on us
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taking control as president and vice president on the 20th. and to get our agenda moving as quickly as we can. >> he is not backing it obviously. you know, are you worried that you all are trying to do something that is a political tool too late in the process? >> this is not a political tool by any stretch of the imagination. this is about what is needed for our democracy in my very strong view and for the health and welfare of the american people and our national security. like i said, the president has shown us time and time again who he is. there are multiple reports coming out that he has isolated himself. that he's getting less stable by the hour and by the day. he is the commander-in-chief and he holds the nuclear codes and he has a lot of power. the full power of the u.s. government behind him for the next 12 days. so that doesn't make me feel really good. i'm going to push hard. the second really important point here is america and the world need to see that what happened wednesday has
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consequences. you know, the people who stormed the capitol, the mob have to be arrested and put in prison. and the president has to have consequences, too. >> so for all of that to work, though, it needs to be bipartisan. so it doesn't look political. so do you have republicans on board who are going to support you that this will be something that is clearly a statement being made by elected officials regardless of party about right and wrong? >> yeah, we're working on that. i'm pushing. i am having conversation and reaching out to senators and members of the house pushing them hard and my colleagues are, too. really, imploring them to do the right thing for the good of the country and to keep their oath because before wednesday if they didn't think this was the right thing to do they sure should know it now. after several of us had to defend the house chamber against a riotous mob. so it is always a good time to
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do the right thing. it should have happened a long time ago. it didn't. it sure can happen now. >> let me ask you because you express your concern about the president and what he could do as a clear and present danger. twitter has now banned him officially and permanently so he can't come out and tweet over the next 12 days. do you think that will make a difference? >> i do think it'll make a difference. the more things we can do that can take away his ability to have a microphone and to influence the mob like he did on wednesday, to peddle his conspiracy theories, his lies, his falsehoods, to incite violence like he has been doing for years now the better it is for our country and for our democracy. so i applaud that move. and it's just now time for members of the senate and the house, my republican friends, to join with us to defend this country and to do the right thing. i am an optimist even after wednesday and it is my hope we can get some folks to join us.
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>> congressman, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. i want to go now to gloria borger. nick ackerman an assistant special prosecutor in watergate and our own abby philip. gloria, let me start with twitter. banning trump permanently. he has so often said i don't need any of you meaning the media. i have twitter. right? that has been his way to communicate. it has now been completely taken away from him. it's a big deal. >> well, twitter is his life line. twitter is his best friend. twitter seems to be where he spends an awful lot of his time when he is not watching television. it's going to be very difficult for him to figure out what to do without it. of course, they can always use until january 20th the white house account if the president has something urgent he wants to say. or retweet. but that is the official white house account. so twitter understood exactly
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what it was doing when they took away this toy from the president of the united states but, clearly, they felt that there is something very onerous going on here. and you can see this in what they tweeted. let me, in their blog, they made it very clear. let me read this to you. plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off twitter including a proposed secondary attack on the u.s. capitol and state capitol buildings on january 17, 2021. we at cnn of course are going to be looking into this. but they clearly believe that the president's tweets continue to talk to people who are planning future attacks against the united states government. >> wow. i mean, abby, that's, you know, as gloria said we are looking into that and the reporting there but they're not putting it out if they don't believe it's
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serious and they're not seeing it. >> exactly. >> what is the significance though? for trump here? it is where he spends all of his time. and he loves that he can be so inappropriate on twitter. that's his life line. >> yeah. this is his outlet. this is a president who constantly needs an outlet from what seems to be based on what we are hearing from sources and increasingly isolated and frustrated state that he is in, in the white house, in which very few people around him can reach him. what's important also about his twitter account beyond just being a venue for him to speak to his supporters, it is also a way for him to go around his own aides. one of the things about the twitter account is that many times white house aides actually have no idea what the president is about to tweet and so they can't look at it. they can't edit it. they can't try to censor it themselves in any sort of way or
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convince him out of some of his most outrageous tweets. he loses that. let's be honest here. twitter is a private company. they can do what they want with who is on their platform. and the president like every other president before him still has the ability to put out press releases. he controls the white house.gov website. he can put press releases out himself. he can do all kinds of things. but all of those require him to go through actual white house channels which is probably why he'll be pretty frustrated about this. >> and of course he could speak live to the american people at any point. he has chosen not to do so since any of this began not in any way, shape, or form. nick, i want to ask you about the draft article of impeachment. congressman crow was talking about it. i know you've had a chance to look at it. the democrats are circulating it. obviously they need republicans on board. i want to ask you. is it the right article? is it the right thing? is it written right? >> oh, yes. absolutely. it is very pointed. it goes right to his incitement of the riot at the capitol. it goes right to what he did.
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this is an extremely serious crime. it just can't be under stated at all. what he did wasn't just making and perpetrating and continuing a lie about having won the election. and that the election was rigged. but he also incited people to violence that resulted in four people being murdered. now, if you just took it outside of the impeachment process he could be charged with felony murder. >> let me jump in there. that is my question to you. one does not preclude the other but what do you think is the best way for the country? to have it be handled legally as indeed it may be a legal thing or have to go through the impeachment process which of course is a political process through congress? >> right. they're both also legal processes. the impeachment process is provided for in our constitution. and i think that people can reasonably assume that this man
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is extremely dangerous. it is no coincidence that all of the current living secretaries of defense have come out in a statement warning this president not to use the military before he leaves office to further his basically false objective of trying to stay in office. there is a reason why that was done. i think every day that he stays in there, there is a danger that he could do something like that. i think we -- the one way we have to get him out of there immediately is impeachment. removal from office. and preventing him from ever holding federal office again. which i must say a lot of republicans are going to find that very attractive if they want to clear the way to have a real presidential election. >> so the process itself, though, gloria, you heard congressman crow. they could get a vote in the house by the end of next week and that is moving at lightning speed. it was four months for the last
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time. however, the house intelligence chairman adam schiff led the impeachment probe in 2019. he was basically saying the trial itself in the senate wouldn't even happen under all this until after january 20th when biden is in office and that could make things a lot more difficult for biden. that you have this whole thing going on. >> right. >> and that maybe is why biden does not -- seems at best lukewarm on this. >> right. well, adam schiff is a hundred percent right. it would be very odd to have an impeachment trial after, in the senate, after the president is no longer in office. biden was completely unenthusiastic about this today. i mean, he kind of punted when he was asked the question. he said, well, you know, congress has to do what the congress has to do. i'm focusing on my administration. i see, what your a he seeing on capitol hill are people who are so angry and frustrated about this president on both sides of the aisle that they're trying to figure out a way to hold him
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accountable in one way or another. they just feel like even if it doesn't come to fruition they want to be on the record talking about what this president has done and what he incited, which they consider and we've all called it domestic terrorism. they feel that they need a way to express themselves on the record officially one way or the other if mike pence is not going to say, okay. let's have the 25th amendment. and it is clear mike pence while he may not be talking to the president, is clearly not interested in the 25th amendment. >> right. of course it is interesting in the context again i mentioned lisa murkowski saying he should resign. it is all about ego. you have republicans who weren't on board last time who may be this time. that is over in the senate. thanks very much to all. so i just want to update everyone on what we're learning here on this situation. a white house official is telling us that they are now
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exploring alternatives for releasing the president's next recorded video now that he has been permanently banned from twitter. the white house obviously planned to release that statement on his twitter account. outfront brian stelter our chief media correspondent and anchor for reliable sources and our correspondent who has been closely covering disinformation online and talking to many of the people who were at this originally trump rally. obviously this is a big decision for twitter. it is a private company. they didn't do it for years and years. they did it now. >> right. >> it comes with a very chilling warning and very specific one. not just because oh, all of a sudden they think he is a clear and present danger. there is specificity to this. >> yes. twitter is not just thinking about the past. they are thinking about the future. the next few days and weeks. let's put on screen the warning gloria borger read a few moments ago. this is crucial to read again. plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating both on and off twitter including the possible attack at
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the capitol or in state capitols on january 17th in the days before the inauguration. we know, erin, this was not just in washington on wednesday. there were skirmishes in several other states. there were fist fights, other clashes in other states. there is a real concern about further escalation. twitter is saying one of the reasons why trump is banned is because of that possibility. this is the first time a world leader has been banned from twitter. we've heard people say what about the white house account? what about the potus account? yuft now i heard from a spokesperson for twitter. they're still trying to figure out what to do about the other accounts. those are official u.s. government accounts so that is a different scenario. and they say this ban does apply do donald trump so if he goes off and tries to tweet from some other account, he will be banned from those accounts as well. >> so, you know, the specificity is chilling. you of course have been talking to so many of the president's supporters and we've all seen those interviews.
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what is the permanent suspension, what is the impact going to be do you think? >> i think this is really going to rile his supporters up. i mean, trump has been drumming the beat for years that big tech is out to get him even though he had one of the most powerful and the most influential accounts on facebook and twitter for years. of course the big question is, where does he go next and where does his supporters go next? and there are other platforms out there. they're much smaller. don't get me wrong. the president will not have the audience he had on twitter. but there are platforms out there like parlor that allow hate speech that allow all sorts of violent rhetoric and he could move there. that is going to be a new challenge, you know, in this week really of reckoning for the role of social media in the united states. this is going to be a new challenge. if trump goes to a platform where there are no rules at all and we saw how bad facebook and twitter have been in implementing any rules against president trump, up until this
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week, if they go to another platform, that could be dragging them into even more danger, a more perilous situation. >> so now that the president has been banned from all these platforms twitter, facebook, snapchat, he does have other platforms like doney just mentioned, parlor, right? and so what happens then? now there are reports apple is going to ban parlor so people can't get it on their phones in case he tries to do that? >> right. apple has a message to parlor giving them 24 hours to address content moderation issues. apple has control of its app store. it can remove parlor. we have seen these technology companies take action in the past against info wars and other extremist content. perhaps parlor is the next one. it is going to feed into trump fans' sense of resentment and grievance but the first amendment does not apply to these platforms and these tech companies believe there is a clear and present danger to the public. i hope the senators and house members hear that. >> very interesting. as you point out they are not subject to the first amendment.
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thank you both very much. next, go breaking news. the treasury secretary of the united states now reportedly involved in discussions about invoking the 25th amendment. secretary mnuchin. "the washington post" reporter who just broke that significant development is next. plus charges filed against the rioters who stormed the capitol including the man seen in nancy pelosi's office. and ted cruz the senator is desperately trying to rewrite history hoping everyone will just forget what he said again and again about trump. taking me. it's so far. (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this will be fun. two chocolate milkshakes please. (grandmother) did you get his number? (young woman) no, grandma! grandma!! (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time. that's why i got a crosstrek. (avo) 97 percent of subaru vehicles sold in the last ten years are still on the road. love. it's what makes subaru, subaru. get 0% for 63 months on select new 2021 models
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or call 1-877-866-8555. the trekary secretary steve mnuchin has been involved in talks about the 25th amendment. i want to go straight to the post reporter who broke this news. tell me what you're learning. >> we should be clear here that according to everyone i talked to in and around the white house everyone maintains this is still extremely unlikely and more to the point we don't even know if treasury secretary steven mnuchin is interested in pursuing this but we can report according to three people with direct knowledge of the discussions mnuchin had discussions about invoking the 25th amend. which would allow the cabinet and vice president to unilaterally get rid of the president. can't stress this enough still doesn't seem like the most
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likely outcome but the fact it has been discussed at all is a remarkable indication of the fall out within the trump administration itself of the events of the capitol. >> that is a really important point. obviously the vice president has not indicated in any way that he is on board which is a big issue and there are questions. so many people have been leaving the cabinet so how would this even happen? to your point, mnuchin who is very well respected, came into this administration, stuck by the president's side and has been very loyal by staying. many others have left and made it clear they can't tolerate it. what does it tell you that he is even engaged in these conversations? >> i think as someone who has covered steven mnuchin for a number of years now i never really thought i would see the point at which you would even hear private complaints from the treasury secretary about the president. his feelty, obedience, loyalty
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to the president has been remarkable since he joined as campaign finance cochair in 2016. mnuchin of course shielded president trump's tax returns despite a 1924 congressional law that explicitly gave congress the right to see them. he has defended the president after his remarks following charlottesville. over and over again after controversy we have seen mnuchin go to bat for the president. the fact that as i reported today mnuchin is privately expressing frustration and anger toward how the president handled this, is really a remarkable sign of how even people close to the president are appalled by what happened on wednesday. >> thank you very much. as that news breaks, also breaking this hour federal prosecutors announcing another person charged after the riot on capitol hill. that brings the total now to 14 federal charges. this is the founder of the hawaii chapter of the far right proud boys arrested after
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admitting to cnn he had entered the u.s. capitol. federal prosecutors also charging another man richard barnett the man you see photographed kicking his feet up on the house speaker's desk writing on a folder, quote, we will not back down. we'll go out front. what else do you know about the charges that are announced today? >> reporter: stunning new details, erin. the department of justice says one man packed his truck full of explosives, parked it only a few blocks from here. but it wasn't for hours until police made the discovery. investigators say the fall out for him and many more in wednesday's mob is only just beginning. new court documents detail the charges against lonnie kaufman of alabama who federal officials say packed his truck with 11 molotov cocktails, a handgun, and an assault rifle and parked it only a block from the capitol grounds. he is one of 13 people just charged by the department of justice as investigators are
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scouring the internet for images to identify those involved in wednesday's attack on the capitol. federal officials also just charged west virginia state lawmaker derek evans after he live streamd from inside the capitol and identified himself. >> we're in. we're in! we're in the capitol? >> reporter: evans' attorney insists his client is not a criminal instead exercising his first amendment rights as a, quote, independent activist and journalist. evans later deleted the clip but west virginia's governor did not mince words about what he saw. >> this is a scar on west virginia. how in the world can we possibly, possibly think that's anything but bad stuff? >> reporter: also arrested the man seen sitting at a desk in house speaker nancy pelosi's office. richard barnett of arkansas now faces a trio of federal charges including theft of public
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property. an act he detailed in a local television interview on thursday. >> i sat down there in my desk. i'm a taxpayer. that's my desk. we loaned her that desk and she ain't appreciating it so i thought i'd sit down and appreciate the desk. i threw my feet up on the desk. >> reporter: but not all the consequences are coming through the justice system. a texas attorney is no longer employed by his insurance company after posting what he called peacefully demonstrating on facebook. a maryland marketing company fired a worker seen inside the capitol wearing his company i.d. badge. and former pennsylvania state lawmaker rick sicone resigned from his post as an adjunct college instructor after he posted this video to facebook. >> broke down the gates and they're macing them up there. we're trying to run out all the evil people in tallant rhinos that have betrayed our president. we're going to run them out of their offices. police in washington are distributing photos of those who
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stormed the capitol and now say they've received more than 17,000 tips. d.c.'s acting police chief says they will aggressively pursue persons of interest. >> we still have a significant amount of work ahead of us to identify and hold each and every one of the violent mob accountable for their actions. >> reporter: investigators say the photos are key, erin. the fbi set up its own portal so people can upload their own photos in a place already laden with cameras it will become especially hard to hide from the law. >> thank you very much. next you have to see this. senator ted cruz. so he is in cleanup mode tonight giving an interview trying to explain his strong support for trump. he claims that he has strongly disagreed with the president but he has been a critic of the president. the facts next. and sources telling cnn a trump impeachment trial could take place after trump is out of office. how? what? will it happen?
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breaking news lisa murkowski the first republican senator to say president trump should resign after inciting the insurrection on capitol hill. this as one of trump's biggest defenders in his election lies senator ted cruz is doing damage control. this is what senator cruz is saying now. he just gave an exclusive interview about trump to station ktrk. >> the president's language and rhetoric often goes too far. i think yesterday in particular the president's language and rhetoric crossed a line and it
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was reckless. i disagree with it. and i have disagreed with the president's language and rhetoric for the last four years. >> what? he has disagreed with the president's language and rhetoric for the past four years? okay. hold that thought about the four years. i want to start with what else he said. quote, yesterday in particular. the president's language and rhetoric crossed the line and it was reckless. i disagree with it. end quote. this is pretty easy to check. okay? here is trump with his language and rhetoric at 12:15 p.m. >> we're going to walk down to the capitol and we're going to cheer on or brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. because you'll never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength. and you have to be strong. >> so then the violent mob
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incited by that rhetoric descended on capitol hill. that was 12:15. at 1:12 p.m. senator cruz stood up to challenge the free and fair election on trump's behalf. >> is the objection in writing and signed by a senator? >> yes, it is. >> it is. >> that is senator ted cruz not calling out trump's rhetoric and language and neither by the way did he in the fundraising text his campaign sent as the insurrection was taking place cruz raising money off it. the text said i am leading the fight to reject electors from key states unless there is an emergency audit of the election results. will you stand with me? so when senator cruz in that interview told texas voters he thought trump's actions, his words, his language, and rhetoric on wednesday was wrong, he was not telling them the truth. okay. so now the next part of what cruz said in that interview.
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quote, i have disagreed with the president's language and rhetoric for the last four years. this is too easy. because senator cruz not only did not stand up to disagree with trump's language and rhetoric during the four years of his presidency. okay. you listen and decide what words are best to describe this. >> i am honored president trump is here endorsing and supporting my campaign. >> i've worked hand in hand with president trump from the day he's been elected and been together we've accomplished incredible results for the country. god bless president donald trump. >> and of course it isn't as if anything that trump said on the day of the riot is different than other things he has said over the past several months to win re-election. >> the only thing they understand is strength. remember that. prout boys, stand back and stand by. we did not come this far and fight this hard only to
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surrender. >> cruz never said a word about that language or rhetoric. not a word. of course to state the fact again, he was the one who led the charge to object to the election on the senate floor. and think about this. in that crowd, that mob, there were people that reuters heard talking about killing mike pence and stringing him up on a tree. could some of that could some of that be because of people like ted cruz never disagree with these kinds of comments made by trump again and again against those die hard supporters. >> when you see them, you throw them in rough, i said "please don't be too nice." >> anybody than can do a body slam is my kind of guy. >> and then there is this. when ted cruz was running
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against donald trump, back then he did disagree. >> donald you are a coward. this man is a pathological liar, a narcissist at a level that i don't think this country ever seen. the man is utterly immoral. morality does not exist for him. >> the old ted cruz back in 2016 actually spoke out about the violence, nailed it. >> he's willing to say things regardless of the consequences. what he's willing to say and what he's willing to do does real damage potentially to the country, donald trump now has a consistent pattern of inciting violence. donald and his hench men pushing for violence. >> you could not make that up, could you?
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what happened senator cruz? once trump became president, cruz became a sycophant. amanda, you know cruz pre, during and post, what he said in the interview to the texas station is false as we just showed. he says it with a straight face, what's your reaction? >> the old ted cruz is the one that i worked for and supported and the new ted cruz, post-trump, i don't recognize. he thinks he's a smart lawyer who can get his way out of it and in his mind he has some kind of rational but that's just not believable. he has to come to terms with the fact that through his actions directly played into the hands
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of the mob and stop. that's what happened and it is so horrifying to watch someone descend into this and not be able to admit what happened when you work for hed for him and be in him. it is really hard to watch, erin. >> i am sure it is. amanda, i nu-knew you back thend you believed in him. congressman dan, what do you make of this? he actually used those words, "trump incites violence." >> i do not support the new or old ted cruz. >> feudal to raise his political
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profile and advance his political ambition. it is a terrible thing he did and here we are he's advancing his own political ambition by carrying the president's water and challenge the electoral photo in a feudal effort and he's unapologetic and this is what he does and part of the reason why he's so unpopular with much of his colleagues. he's not fooling anybody with this. the president of the united states called his wife ugly and said his father was part of a conspiracy to kill john f. kennedy and he still goes out there and gravels before the president and a party as amanda said to this horrible insurrection as we just witnessed at the u.s. capitol. >> what's interesting is you saw the same thing, you had senator hawley, he's actually as ted
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cruz. no one is loyal to donald trump as lindsey gram. this was how graham was greeted and even though he stood by trump in all of those tweets. here is what happened. >> listen, graham, you are a traitor to the country. you knew it was rigged. you are garbage. it is going to be like this forever where ever you go for the rest of your life. >> man, that's after graham tweeted how wonderful the video was of trump and kind of try to move on and pass it. they turned on him. >> yeah, i think cruz and hawley convinced themselves out of arrogance that they can tame this mob maybe they can do trumpism without the bad tweets. that's false. that's false. they only care about power and
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trump and they'll come after you. that's why it is absolutely imperative trump is impeached z and removed and members of congress playing a role in the hands of the mob also should face some accountability. >> i thank you both very, very much. thank you. i want to go to jeff merkley. there are calls for senator cruz and senator hawley to resign over their roles and all of this. president-elect biden said voters should be the one to remove them from office. what do you fall on this? >> i think for them to resign is appropriate. there were two insurrections this week. one was a mob outside the capitol trying to disrupt the process and they could have gotten their hands- on the electoral ballots, they would
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have burned them. they voted to burn the ballots of pennsylvania and they did not comply with the constitutional role of counting the ballots. they made no case that indeed there were some great flaw in the election. they said simply because there is a mob that's upset, we should listen to them and do what they want and interrupt this process. that's not a stature of a u.s. senator. that's not the way to show leadership. they should have said to the mob you were wrong, the president is wrong. the election was valid. that's how we sustain the institutions that have proven to be more fragile than we anticipated. i think it is appropriate for them to step down. >> so you have tweeted that trump is absolutely unfit and should be removed from office. if we can do it on january 20th, i am all for it.
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li li lisa murcowski believes that the president should be removed. first of all, can it? and if it can, do you say hold off to the impeachment? >> my first reaction when the idea came up was you have to realize it takes months in the house and a big complex and process in the senate, and mitch mcconnell would never put on the floor and all kinds of procedural problems. i listen to people, even if the house acts alone and mcconnell never puts it on trial which he should. it is still a sounding statement about the president's conduct that will resonate through times and there has to be other ways to hold people accountable. we can't look pass this and not have a pardon. we need to hold them
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accountable. >> i know your office was damaged. you put out some videos of what-awhat it was and a laptop was stolen. can you tell us what happened? >> people smashed into the door of my capitol office and threw things on the floor and the laptop disappeared off the table. the capitol police were able to track its signal and recovered it. it was password protected and i was never worried of the content. >> your name is not on it, how did you think it got there. do you think they knew it was yours? >> no, every single door of that hallway was damaged. i tried to shut the door and lock it that night when i went back there late at night and
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reviewed the damage and took the videos. this is a massive door that's probably been in that office for 100 plus years, who knows when it was the original door. it is in the old section of the capital where the wings were at it. those hinges were ripped from the side of the door and so they were, what they were doing was taking the cases that you saw piled up like desks broken in the hallway. my office was right across from that. my suspicion was they smashed it into the door until it gave way. there it is. >> a powerful image. thank you, senator. thank you all of you, anderson is next. good evening, house democrats are drafting article
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