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top of the hour, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining me. the drum beat of impeachment is growing louder while the silence from the president is deafening. so far, the white house has
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not -- the president has yet to condemn the mob's horrifying calls for vice president mike pence's head during wednesday's attack. the two men have not spoken since that day when pence did the only thing he could, which was defying trump by upholding his constitutional duty to certify the election for joe biden. and here's further evidence of the growing divide now between the two men. sources tell cnn that pence is not ruling out using the 25th amendment to remove the president from office. and pence will also be attending joe biden's inauguration. yet we also know that donald trump will not. even before then, house democrats say they are ready to move ahead with a historic second impeachment of the president for inciting violence and fearing he could do more damage in the days ahead, the very few days he has left in
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office. they say this is as much about sending a message to future presidents as it is about the current president. >> it's not only about trump. it is about whether or not we're going sae going to send a signal to anybody who occupies the white house again, we are not going to ignore any attempts on your part to cause an insurrection, but to ignore the will of the people. >> john hardwood is joining me now once again from washington. the president and vice president are not talking, so what is trump doing? >> trump is holed up in the white house, fuming, raging about his defeat. he suffered a terrible psychic injury. donald trump is somebody, kate, so who as we've all observed over the past four years is consumed with himself, his
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reputation, his image, his self-image, and the fact that he lost the election is something he's not been able to accept, so he's been raging against that, propagating these fantasies about somehow changing the results of the election. and he finally ran out the string on that last week with a calamitous circumstance, where he incited these rioters. they went and desecrated capitol. five people lost their lives. and at the end of the day, there were some people who finally decided to stand up and get off the train. and you have had a couple of cabinet members resign. you've got republican senators calling for his resignation. you've got mike pence not ruling out the use of the 25th amendment. you've got a democratic congress poised to impeach him again. all of these things are bearing down on donald trump.
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he has lost his social media feeds on twitter, so he can't instantly get out messages. he is lost right now and has a very small and lunatic circle of advisers around him. the saving grace last week was that when all this was exploding, you did have some members of the white house staff and family who persuaded him to make that video acknowledging that he wouldn't be president after january 20th. but this is a president who cannot be counted on to act constructively on his own, and the entire country, washington, is looking to get out of this next ten days as uneventfully as we can. >> john, thank you so much. really appreciate it. joining a mae right now for more is ron brownstein, senior editor at "the atlantic".
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ron, sources telling cnn tonight the vice president is not ruling out an effort to invoke the 25th amendment. i think most revealing and shocking is that the president and mike pence, they have not talked since wednesday. i mean, what does this say to you? >> first it says that no one aligns with donald trump gets to the finish line without destroying their integrity or reputation. sooner or later he puts you in a position to a point you can just not go. in this case it was pence directly contravening the institution and trying to overturn an election in which nearly 160 million americans voted to make donald trump the president. i think there are two things probably at work here. one, if your boss sends a mob down to the capitol that ends up chanting, hang you, hang mike
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pence, that might catch your attention after four years of defending trump, but also i think he is holding open the 25th amendment as a way to in all likelihood moderate trump's behavior in these final days and perhaps to reduce the risk not only to the country but to the party. >> add to that, ron -- the white house has not ordered flags to be lowered to half staff in honor of the capitol hill police officers who died in the riots. and add to that, president trump has net said anything about those who dies. isn't that making a huge statement? >> yeah, well, he's sending a signal. the same signal he sent in his video. i mean, we love you. call on the patriots. ivanka tweeting these were patriots who ransacked the capitol. and by all indications in the reporting we're seeing tonight,
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at least some of them envisioned much greater violence against members of congress. and by not putting the flag at half staff and not condemning them, trump is continuing to signal his tacit approval of what they did. as reporting comes out on how horrific that may have been, the fact that all republicans in congress who have said anything about this is to ensure there are no consequences for trump -- you have all these crocodile tears voting a couple of days ago to overturn the election is now saying an impeachment would divide the country. don't you think overturning a election would have divided the country? >> you're putting it in a way that perfectly crystallizes the hypocrisy of this whole thing. i was going to ask you about the impeachment effort. is it worthwhile even if he's
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not removed? we heard from bob corker. he spoke out about this to jake tapper. he said his concern is he wants trump out of office more than anybody, but he says it helps trump look the victim and strengthens him with supporters. >> look, nothing is -- there's no clear cut answer. but here's what i would say -- 100 people organized with guns today outside the kentucky state legislature in a so-called patriots rally. it's clear many viewed on the right what happened as a success than a failure. if there are not strong serious consequences for everyone involved from the bottom to the top, it's pretty easy to predict you are going to get more of this. i think the feeling among democrats and maybe some of the republicans is if there is not a strong unequivocal message sent that this is unacceptable, that what the president did was an
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act of violence against the united states of america, against the constitution, that you are leaving open the door for more of this kind of anti-democratic agitation and violence in the future. i think there's going to be a lot of pressure for there to be -- you know, joe biden as a brand is unity. his instinct is to say, let's look forward, not back, but i think there is going to be enormous push back in the party looking for some way to hold him accountable. this would bar him from holding federal office. there's going to be a lot of discussion about whether the justice department could prosecute him for what he did, not to mention the serious investigation into the capitol police and if there was collusion. >> what about the senators who helped these senators? who lied over and over again about the election when they
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knew better? they know better. especially ted cruz and josh hawley. do you think they're actually going to suffer consequences? >> i think, you know, the senate, senate, you know, tends to hold back on disciplining their own, but there are calls. i saw sherrod brown call for they are expulsion. patty murray said they should resign. again, if you start from the premise that what we saw was a -- essentially an attempted coup, an insurrection to overturn the democratic results of this election, the idea that anyone involved in it could go through without consequences, basically inviting this to happen again. and it is worth noting that on the evening after the riot, when congress came back into session, the vast majority of house republicans voted to reject the results from arizona and
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pennsylvania, disenfranchise millions of voters, with the goal of making donald trump president for four more years. >> including the top republican in the house. >> his role in the riot did not disqualify him in their eyes. and so, you know, we have watched, i think, over these four years an astounding percentage of the republican party show itself to be willing to go along, to excuse, abet, enable trump as he has pushed and pushed and pushed against the rule of law. and i don't think you get to the point we saw this week without that precedent. susan collins' famous quote, he learned a lesson. he did. no matter any amount of understood mining our traditions the vast majority of republicans would support him. that's taken us step by step to a scene we could not imagine when he took office. >> what is the lesson other than
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that? that is what you would learn from that acquittal. there are not consequences. and you see what has happened. thank you, ron. coming up, police say they didn't see signs wednesday's protests would turn violent, with you we are finding the signs are everywhere. plus, lawmakers say it is dangerous for president trump to remain in office. here's why. >> this is a man who's still in charge of american nuclear forces. he's still the most powerful man on the planet and i guess what? i think he's more than a little grumpy right now. (customer) hi?
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there's new video offering a new perspective on the crush of the mob as they tried to fight and force their way into the capitol wednesday. the mob reaching a fever pitch. before we play this we want to warn you the video is disturbing. this video later shows one police officer trapped between a door frame and the masses of people shouting in agony for help as he was being crushed. the officer was eventually able to free himself and the former commissioner charles ramsey told cnn today the officer's injuries are not life threatening thankfully. the deadly attack did not
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come out of the blue. there were warn sbgs threats for months. rioters were told to come with weapons. as drew griffin reports, the threats are still coming. >> reporter: caught flatfooted federal and local officials insist they had no idea the siege would happen. >> there was no intelligence that suggested there would be a breach of the u.s. capitol. >> reporter: but that seems hardly believable. in the days and weeks before the insurrection, the warning signs were clear. violent and threatening online posts. an online call to arms. go to washington january 6th and help storm the capitol. we will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents and demand a recount. trump or war today. that simple another user posted. >> the writing was on the wall months ago that this could
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turning into something extremely violent. >> reporter: researchers who track hate, violent speech, and extremist groups show what happened at the capitol what some dismissed as just online boasting was actually a plan of action, and some of those who sieged the capitol were prepared. >> there were men on the senate floor wearing tactical equipment, carrying zip tie restraints, police use to handcuff people. i somehow doubt they just brought to those a protest. >> reporter: the nonprofit advance democracy tracked 1,480 qanon twitter posted since january 1st. on tiktok, videos reviewing violence were viewed 279,000 times. >> you will find they have been issuing warnings regularly about the groups and the language they're using. >> reporter: one of the main
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stop the steal organizers ali alexander told users he and three congressman for planning something big. >> we four schemed up a pretty maximum pressure on congress. we can change the hearts and minds of republicans who are in that body, hearing our loud roar from outside. >> reporter: he told followers bring tents, sleeping bags and other supplies, and added this -- if d.c. escalates, so do we. a follower responded to the post, bring a gun. the anti-deaf mission league says they were sharing the posts and concerns with law enforcement right up until this week. >> we have been in touch with law enforcement on a very regular basis. >> reporter: fearing the warnings were ignored they went public. >> on monday we published a blog to put it out on the public record about your degree of alarm. we weren't surprised by the intensity of what happened.
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>> reporter: what's next? january 20th. researchers are worried about the increasing chatter about violence at the inauguration. >> i think it's very plausible that we are just the beginning of this. >> reporter: round two january 20th one poster writes. i don't care about keeping trump in power. i care about war. please take urgent action to save our country. on january 20th, says another post, it's our last chance. awe of this means the same groups that attacked the capital on january 6th may already be planning to be back in washington. hopefully this time law enforcement is taking note. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. >> drew, thank you so much. join me right now is tjuliette
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chiyim. i was struck that one expert in drew's piece says this is not over. >> that's why what we'll hopefully see is a combination of efforts to at least inmise the risk. you're not going to eliminate it in time. that is going to include a tremendous force presence on the 20th if not sooner. because there's other dates being mentioned. i also believe the arrests you're seeing around the country, a coup dozen now. more over the weekend and next week, are really essential. because they show the fbi is serious about putting these people in jail. and finally i think it is important to isolate and essentially eradicate the influence of trump as an inciter of domestic terrorists. so keeping him off the
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perimeters. all of them are going to mat to at least minimize the risk in the next ten days to come. >> so, you know, in the coming days, as you've mentioned, is joe biden's inauguration and so far he is saying that he's still wanting to stand on the west front of the capitol for his swearing in. the image that we have all come so accustomed to when it comes to the inauguration and the oath of the president of the united states. these are the areas swarmed by mobs wednesday. do you think joe biden should reconsider? >> i don't. unless there's new intelligence that would -- basically the secret service would say to him, we need to not do this. the secret service is in charge of organizing and planning for an inauguration. it's called a national special security event, an nsse. remember, we're in a pandemic so
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it was not going to have a large audience, and it certainly won't have a festive mood like we've seen with presidents before donald trump. but nevertheless i also think there's an important symbolism to biden maintaining a continuity of a peaceful transition of power. he won't look scared. the country won't look scared. he will have moved on from trump. trump will not be there. i think those are important, too. all these republicans are now talking about healing out of the blue. right? now we're going to talk about healing. but we have to think about how president-elect is going to govern. i think one way to begin that is a constitutional moment on january 20th for the public to see like it was before, that whatever damage that has been done in the last four years, and certainly the last week, that we still move forward. >> i mean, if this was a
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colossal security failure wednesday, how do you begin to fix what was broken here, going beyond the resignations of top police officials? >> now you start from the sort of baseline that it will be bad. so this is where, whether it's security theater or just the mere presence of lots of people that has to happen. so virginia, maryland, national guard -- i bet you're going to hear on the national guard coming from all around the country to have a physical presence, to essentially make sure that mobs cannot form. individuals may still be around, but you just don't want 10, 20, 30 men who potentially can be armed. we're also going to have to ramp up intelligence, see who's coming into the city. but basically you start from the belief that something bad could happen and work your way backwards. i don't know what happened with
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the intelligence in this case. i'm not reading classified information anymore, and i was starting to get agitated by what was going to happen that the capitol police and others seemed so off guard is a feel your not only for us, but for them. they lost someone. the pictures that we're showing now show a really terrifying few hours. i don't think any of us had any idea the day of. >> i agree. on capitol police, jim clyburn suggested capitol police were complicit in striking language. let me play for you what he said. >> the joint session of congress to count the electoral vote will presume. the tellers having taken their seats. two houses are -- >> clearly neither the wrong sound bite. that was vice president mike
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pence. but regardless, that clyburn would suggest that, that capitol police would be complicit, he says, i have my eyes, i have my years. i know what i saw. what do you think of that? >> i think a number of things can be true simultaneously. one is they were completely unprepared, inexcuse bli unprepared. two, most of the capitol police as we have seen in the pictures worked hard for the life -- there might be members that were too lax, too welcoming, taking the selfies, and they should be punished. four, if this was black lives matter this would be handled differently. i think all of those are true and we need a little time to figure out what happened and who should be punished. >> thank you for coming in. >> thank you so much.
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welcome back to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm kate bolduan. president donald trump could be on the verge of making history in the way no president wants. house democrats say they're getting ready for articles of impeachment. here's what ted lieu told cnn about this. >> reporter: all of us, including speaker pelosi will -- donald trump do to right thing and resign or vice president pence show some spine for himself and his family and invoke the 25th amendment. if none of that happens on monday we'll introduce the article of impeachment, which is incitement of insurrection and expect a floor vote coming this week. >> congressman reuben gallego told us he thinks the house could vote as early as tuesday
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or wednesday. also tonight, sources tell cnn mike pence has not ruled out using the 25th amendment to remove president trump from office, that pence wants to preserve is option in case trump becomes more unstable. no president has been removed from office with the 25th amendment. no president has been impeached twice. right now there is a nationwide manhunt for those people you have seen on video and social media taking part in the violent insurrection on the u.s. capitol. cnn's evan perez has more now on that massive investigation. >> reporter: federal authorities around the country are working through the weekend hunting down some of the people involve in the wednesday's terrorist attack about u.s. capitol. we know of at least 18 arrests on federal charges and dozens more are facing charges in local court here in washington. among those arrests are adam johnson, arrested in his home state of florida. he's seen in pictures carrying
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house speaker nancy pelosi's lectern. also arrested, jacob chansley in arizona, seen in video inside the capital wearing face paint and a bear skin hat. the fbi says that chansley told them he came to washington because donald trump called for his supporters to come and he argue organize add a group to heed the president also call to action. another one of the mob facing action, derrick evans, of the west virginia legislature, and he announced he's resigning his seat. five people died in the mob, including a police officer attacked by the pro-trump crowd. prosecutors laid out serious charges against some suspects, including against a man who drove from alabama with a truck, allegedly carrying bombs and a handgun and a rifle. another man arrested with firearms allegedly told friends he came to kill speaker nancy pelosi. evan perez, cnn, washington. >> evan, thank you for that.
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the number of confirmed covid-19 cases passed 22 million tonight. 2 million of those cases happened in just these first nine days of the new year. it's amazing and astonishing and should stop everyone in its tracks. but even more, look at california. one of the hardest hit states is seeing hundreds of new cases every day, and coronavirus deaths in the state are right there as well. one person dying every eight minutes in los angeles. the state is reporting 695 people lost their lives to the virus just on saturday, which is an all-time daily high. cases are surging in major cities like los angeles but also in small towns in rural california. sarah sidner has more. >> i've never seen the e.r. like this before in our whole time being here. >> reporter: this is what covid-19 looks like in
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california in 2021 -- a hell scape. >> the death toll has been just out of this world. >> reporter: on the edge of the mojave desert, you can see the crisis before you walk in. patients arrive constantly. some by ambulance. some on foot. >> what's going on today? trouble breathing? >> reporter: a california national guard strike team of medics and nurses arrives daily. >> this is an area of great need, and we're glad to be here. when i first got in it felt like a band-aid on an arterial bleed. >> reporter: a gush of patients that just won't stop. temporary plastic walls erected all over this hospital create a maze of covid pods. patients with other emergencies line the halls. some of the patients you're seeing here in the hallways will have to wait 7 to 10 days possibly just to get a room.
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they need to be at the hospital but they're being cared for in the holloways for now. >> reporter: upstairs in the 20-bed icu -- >> we see death and dying on a daily basis, but never to this scale. >> reporter: every intense event care unit bed is full. every staff member busy saving patients. >> we have over 50 icu patients in the hospital right now and we only have to staff to care for about 20 of them. so we are being stretched. the nurses are being pushed to their absolute breaking points and then a little further every day. >> reporter: the sound track here -- a never ending series of keeping, codes and rapid response calls, alerting staff when someone's heart stopped or breathing has stalled. that's what's happening behind the curtain inside a newly created covid unit.
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a covid-19 patient in pain can't catch her breath. nurses and doctors can't either, working every day to exhaustion. >> physical toll, emotional toll. patients dying. mortality very, very fine. >> how do you deal -- with this? >> i guess i'm okay. i'm still standing. >> reporter: right now, a covid patient needs him. there's a scramble to insert a chest tube. >> people don't take it seriously until they're here with user or on the other end of the phone call talking to them for the last time. it is real. most is preventable. >> reporter: the hospital is making space in every nook and cranny, but the crush of the
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patients threatens to overwhelm the staff every single day. everyone here expects to it get worse before coronavirus takes its last breath. the thing that got us the most was the sound of struggle, the sound of pain inside of that hospital. and really this is all about the numbers, which is why the icu nurse was telling people to please do everything you can to stop this. wear a mask at the very least. the numbers here of coronavirus patients are astronomical and so are the numbers of those getting the virus. it's about 40,000 people who are testing positive with coronavirus here in california a day. kate? >> sarah, thank you so much. the sound of struggle, the sound of pain. joining me right now, a cardiologyist and director of scrips research institute out of california. doctor, thank you for joining me tonight. california, the epicenter of this virus. the mayor of l.a. says someone is dying in his city of covid
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once every eight minutes. and you see the picture from inside that one medical center, st. mary's that sarah visited. it's hard to understand how it got to this place. but is there anything that can be done right now to get any kind of handle on this crisis in the state? >> well, kate, good to be with you. it's a dreadful, horrific situation. but like we said, it's so imminently preventable. we're not going so many things we could be doing. you know, getting people masks, high quality masks, and enforcing their use and all the other mitigation measures that are -- just because you say this is the recommendation, people don't follow it. and so this has to be enforced. we should be getting home rapid tests to every household so they know whether they're infectious or not. and there's so much tracking we're not doing, whether it's
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digital, mobility, genomics, wastewater, and we're not vaccinating nearly enough. we're not pulling out the stops, and that is what we're seeing now the crushing of the work force in hospitals and facilities in california and also many other parts of the country. >> and it's so stark, also, that it is california that's seeing such a crush. because california was one of the states that was mosti impressive early on in the crisis. first to issue a stay-at-home order when the pandemic started. what went so wrong, doctor? >> well, one of the big things was pandemic fatigue. it's been now ten months. it's hard to just keep trying to fight the virus, but it's also the lack of community. there's just so many people who don't take this seriously, as we mentioned, as st. mary's. this is the problem. they don't abide by the things we know work. and we could get this virus
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contained if we did pull out all the stops. we're not vaccinating. if you look at israel, they were in worse shape than california, if you look at the number of covid cases per population, but they're vaccinating their way out of it. 20% of the whole country is vaccinated, and our entire country is at 2%, even lower than california. so there's just so much we could do, but we're just not doing it, and that has to change. >> one thing on the vaccine front -- we've heard from the biden transition that it would like to try to send out, distribute and administer, really, every dose of the vaccine that is available rather than holding back half as has been the strategy so far in reserve for the second shot. what do you think of that strategy? >> i actually think it's a good idea, because we're holding back tens of millions of doses.
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right now of course it isn't the issue because we have a mismatch of getting shots in and viles of the vaccine sitting in freezers. but soon, hopefully, we're going catch up. we had a good day of almost 800,000 people vaccinated just a couple of days ago. if we can build on that and get to the 2 million to 3 million people that need to get vaccinated every day -- 24/7, this is an emergency -- we're going to deplete the supply and the other half that's being held back. i do think pfizer and moderna are going to be able to catch up. so i'm very much in favor of that. that shows the aggressiveness. this is an emergency. we need vaccinate bike there's no tomorrow. >> real quick, what do you think of the idea, if that's the
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strategy, or maybe even separate from it, of -- we heard from a top covid adviser of the biden transition, maybe opening it up more. who should be getting the shots. what do you think? >> well, i think we should be doing that. it's not just that. there's a problem. first, the health-care workers and people in nursing homes and there were all these different phases. if you look again at israel, what's been successful is keep it simple. anybody over age 60. but there are different groups that deserve priority. the biggest problem isn't necessarily, kate, the order, but it's the lack of having enough facilities. it's the lack of an aggressive posture. if you have extra doses just vaccinate someone instead of wasting them and throwing them away. we just don't have that posture yet, and that's really the critical aspect. >> doctor, thank you so much for coming on. we'll be right back. we have dak prescott joining us.
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supporters stormed the u.s. capitol, on wednesday, to stop the certification of what they believe was a fraudulent election. >> unquestionable, that our votes were stolen. it's unquestionable. there -- there's so much proof. >> people, come on, we didn't come here for nothing. >> we want our representatives to do the right thing, and decertify, like, the seven swing states. >> the rally started peacefully, as tens of thousands gathered outside the white house. they cheered donald trump and his allies, as they continued to lie that the election was stolen. >> let's have trial by combat. >> he just said trial by combat. i'm ready. i'm ready. >> reporter: people marched down two avenues to the capitol. and once they got there, some broke through barricades.
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once a few rioters broke into the building, the mob followed. >> i was actually here while this guy started breaking in with a -- with a cane. obviously, there's a power struggle. there was the peaceful guys that were like, no, no, we don't want to do that. then, there was that guy, he just said, oh, well, i'm breaking it in. broke down the barriers and we rushed 'em. we charged 'em. we got all the way to the steps. they made a line. so, we stood there and we tried to push 'em back a little bit. until, finally, they started getting rough with us. so we tried to get up the steps. they wouldn't let you up. then, they started pepper spraying, macing everybody. >> get some milk in your eyes. >> they maced me. >> reporter: we spoke to some people who broke into the capitol. >> tell us what happened. >> we went in there, and i walked in and there is just a whole bunch of people laying up
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in some oregon room. they were smoking a buchnch of weed in there. cops were very cool. they were like, hey, guys, have a good night. some of them. it's crazy. you can see that some of them are on our side. >> reporter: we reached out to the capitol hill police for comment, but have not, yet, heard back. >> a huge group of us stormed inside. and as we -- we were basically shouting, you know, people arguing with them trying to get them on our side, basically. >> reporter: clashes with police happened sporadically, throughout the day. and waves of teargas wafted over the crowd. they said they feel like they were doing something good. >> you know, this is a bunch of really, really, pissed off, regular folks. i got a job. this is wednesday. i'm supposed to be at work. yeah. shh. >> that's what we're doing. fighting back. >> and what's the point? what's the endgame? >> what's the point?
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>> yeah. >> we're losing our freedoms, what do you mean what is the point? >> turning this country into a socialist republic and that is not right! that's what i'm doing here. >> reporter: ellie reeve, cnn, washington, d.c. >> wow. thank you, elle. thank you so much for joining us. i'm kate bolduan. my colleague, michael holmes, picks up our coverage, after this short break. you are watching cnn. a lot of e. i actually am... writing a novel. y'know, i'm trying to be less popular these days. now? i use differin gel. take the 90-day challenge now and you'll get consistently clear skin too. do things differin. awithout the commission fees so cyou can start investing today, wherever you are - even hanging with your dog. so, what are you waiting for? download now and get your first stock on us. robinhood.
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hello and welcome to our viewers here, in the united states, and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate your company. you're watching cnn "newsroom" and coming up on the program. facing another impeachment. calls for resignation and the 25th amendment. president trump's final days in office, uncertain and chaotic. the deadly insurrection at the u.s. capitol sent shock waves across the country and the world. how some allies and foes are

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