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hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing a very consequential day with us, dramatic breaking news in the congress this hour. house democrats charging president donald trump with a single article of impeachment, quote, incitement of insurrection. this marks a move to give him a final push from office even though he is in his final days. the democrats expect a full floor vote by wednesday. >> it will happen again if there is not a consequence for his
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action. so it is important that we act and it is important that we act in a very serious and deliberative manner, and we will. look, we expect this up on the floor on wednesday, and i expect it will pass. >> democratic momentum toward impeachment leaves little room for an offramp. just last hour republicans objected to a democratic resolution, calling on the vice president to invoke the 25th amendment and to oust president trump. the president, we are told, may deliver remarks today. he plans to lash out at the big tech companies now banning him from their platforms. aides and advisers say the president is in a venting mood, and he told allies over the weekend that he is not at all at fault for last week's deadly insurrection despite his words all caught on camera. a republican strategy session set for this afternoon will tell us if there is any public desire to punish the president. some republicans over the weekend say, yes, the president
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did commit an impeachable offense and that he should leave. >> republican colleague senator lisa murkowski of alaska says president trump should resign. she said, quote, he's caused enough damage. do you agree? >> yeah, i do. i think at this point with just a few days left, it's the best path forward, the best way to get this person in the rearview mirror. >> that is significant to hear, but senator pat toomey, at least right now, is in the minority when it comes to republicans willing to say that about the president. the bulk of them saying impeachment is too divisive. a key mitch mcconnell ally says it is evident, and how many times have we heard this before? he suggests the president, he'll learn his lesson. >> my personal view is the president touched a hot stove on wednesday and is unlikely to touch it again. >> we've heard that before too many times. senator mitch mcconnell says he will keep the upper chamber out
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of session, though, until the 19th. that's one day before the biden inaugural. that schedule complicates the timing of any set trial and it complicates the biden inauguration. cnn's phil mattingly, cnn's kaitlan collins and ross garber. democrats seem to be full speed ahead here. over the weekend senator james clyburn said maybe we'll hold this when we pass it and not hand it directly to the senate. but it's also been said it should be handled quickquickly. where are we here? >> it underscores a couple things, how fast this is moving, right? chuck schumer and nancy pelosi in the house made it clear the president needed to be removed via the 25th amendment or they would move to impeachment. that makes impeachment an
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absolute certainty and that has repercussions, when the articles get sent over. the inauguration is on the 19th, and if it gets sent over on the 19th, the trial begins at noon. the very next day is the inauguration of the 46th president of the united states, joseph r. biden. democrats are grappling with all the different issues at play here, and it underscores this is not their plan, this is not what they wanted to do, this is something they feel they have to do in the wake of wednesday. where do things stand right now? democrats absolutely have the votes to impeach president trump. the vote is likely to occur on wednesday. you noted the three-page resolution with the single impeachment charge has been filed right now. that is what will be voted on. right now speaker pelosi has made clear they're still waiting to hear back from vice president pence as to whether or not he's willing to invoke the 25th amendment. i tell you up here on capitol hill there is no expectation that is happening. that means full speed ahead o impeachment. i think one of the other big
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outstanding questions is where are republicans going to be on this? you have a 3:30 call with kevin mccarthy. i would say a few dozen republicans are considering it, would be willing to come over, but there are a lot of dynamics playing in their republican conference, too. >> i'll circle back in a minute. kaitlan, we're told we might hear from the president today. he is banned from twitter, banned from facebook, banned from a dozen or so platforms he could use and has used to spread his hate, spread his lies. what do we hear today, and is there any consideration for the white house trying to blunt this off? he's about to get a black mark in his history, the only president in history about to be impeached twice. does he come gaforward with contrition or compliance? >> reporter: i would not expect contrition. many advisers told him you're at risk of potentially being removed from office if you do not express regret and denounce
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what happened at the capitol on wednesday, and of course now the president is privately walking back that statement, saying he wishes he hadn't done so. we've seen that happen many times before. but i would expect to see a defiant president trump. there are some of the top aides even questioning what his mindset is going to be. this weekend he did not go golfing, he was deprived of his favorite social media account, twitter, of course, and the president is losing and hemorrhaging republican support. i think that is the head space the president is in going into his final few days of office, and he also has a vice president who has not put out a statement saying he's ruling out the 25th amendment. while we do not believe it's going to happen, of course, it seems incredibly unlikely. i think that says something in and of itself. i wouldn't expect the president to resign. that is something other people have been throwing around. that is not a conversation i'm hearing the president is at all entertaining, so he is going to go out this last week. there is talk of him giving a speech, potentially, today,
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talking about how efhe was bann from twitter permanently, and besides that, there are discussions happening and we don't know if we'll hear or see from the president today because right now he doesn't have anything on his schedule besides a private medal ceremony. >> rob, you can impeach him and the senate has to decide whether to remove him, or if he's already gone, convict him anyway, to bar him from running for office ever again. there are many people saying, what about the 14th amendment? section 3 of the 14th amendment talks about taking action to anybody who takes an oath of office to defend the constitution and engage in insurrection or rebellion of the same or give enemy comfort to others above. if you're looking to take an action in an act of congress, what is the menu? >> since we've got the 14th amendment up on the screen, i think that's the first one to deal with. it does talk about somebody who
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is engaged in insurrection not being able to serve in public office, and that makes good sense. the issue is who decides and when. i think the constitution is pretty clear that if a president engajds in high crimes and misdemeanors, including insurrection, it's the impeachment process that kicks in. so i think that really leaves impeachment and the 25th amendment. as you noted, the 25th amendment is not likely to succe to succet does provide a sort of damage over the president's head. it shows him the vice president and cabinet are sort of in control of his fate, and the notion is it might actually cause him not to take action. then there's the impeachment. and you noted also with impeachment, as a practical matter, the senate is not coming back in to do an impeachment trial before he's out of office. but, you know, there, too, is it impossible for the senate to
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come back in? it's very, very hard. it may not be impossible. again, a potential sort of damage over the president's head. then there is this notion of proceeding after the president leaves office which could potentially have the practical consequence of precluding him from running for president again, and there are people that disagree about that issue. and then also potentially stripping him of the benefits of being a former president. so all of that is on the menu. >> and as we try to sort where this heads, phil, you mentioned there is great uncertainty among republicans. the president's fearest iercest are saying the democrats are trying to divide the country, even though republicans ignored his lies. still majority leader mitch mcconnell in the senate, the more time images and stories are
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removed from wednesday, the worse it gets. if you're not in a white hot rage over what happened by now, you're not paying attention. if you were there the other day, your lives were put at risk. you are angry and understandably and justifiably so. he's also close to mitch mcconnell. i could read that as a green light for republicans. you know what, the president needs to be held accountable. you should be mad and you should hold those people responsible accountable. >> reporter: a couple things. one, obviously, i would subscribe to josh's statement in terms of how everybody feels up here, but i've talked to a number of lawmakers, democrat and republican, over the course of the last 24 to 48 hours as more videos have come out, as the videos have come out of a capitol police officer being dragged and beaten, and they've gotten angrier and angrier and angrier. it's not necessarily mitch mcconnell, you would need the
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senate to come back into session before january 19th based on the agreed-upon schedule. that means all 120 senators would need to come back early while they consider removing the president. while there may be a number of republicans who are viscerally outraged by what occurred, and some republicans have made it clear they want the president to resign because he committed impeachable offenses, but keep in mind there are republicans who voted to objections after the attacks occurred, not just the ones in the house but seven in the senate. i think it's more of a live ball game in the house right now where republicans, again, you talk to them and everyone is getting angrier and angrier and angrier as they cannot fully grasp how severe and how real the possibility of massacre and bloodshed was during this time, and whether or not that persuades four or five or six republicans in their districts
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who are more moderate and joining the democrats in this vote when it occurs, maybe 12, 15, again, i want to make this clear, democrats are reaching out. they're trying to find republicans to join them, they're trying to find bigger name republicans to join them as well, and john, you may have an idea of one particular one i'm talking about. they haven't said where they're going yet, but the democrats believe that helps them make their case, and i believe they've seen enough evidence that that should occur. >> kaitlan, back to you on that point. we don't hear from the president because he has been banned. there are some people complaining about that. we can have that debate as things go on, but the president has used his platform to assign hate, assign lies, so you can understand there are bigger issues at play here. talk about his reporting at the white house, where he tells allies he does not see himself at all responsible here. so it's okay to have a rally with your supporters and tell them we're going to march on the capitol, to tell them we need to get rid of the congress who voted against us and the president must be weak? the republicans think that's
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okay? >> look at what he was doing when this was happening. there was a freakout happening in the west wing as they were watching the halls of the capitol being breached. they were kind of horrified as the rest of us was when we were watching this, but we're told the president was still complaining from the west wing as his pro-trump mob was breaching the capitol, without following through the process of certifying joe biden's win. pence and the president still haven't spoken, and that's a sign of where the president's head space is, because that's one the president used to talk to several times a day. they would meet several times a day, and that's not what you're seeing happening. it's just the president being further and further divorced from reality. we are going to see him sometime this week. he's going to texas to visit the board wall. they had these events planned to really burnish the president's legacy these last days in office, and it's being disrupted
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over the fact he's likely to be impeached a second time. aides were already starting to distance themselves from the president after he was pushing those election lies, but after seeing the way he responded last wednesday, it really did freak people in the west wing out. we said time and time again, they've maintained their relationships with him this long, they stuck around this long, but i do think that was a breaking point for a lot of people. we're seeing the president incredibly isolated, and once we do hear from him, i would not expect him to come out and offer some kind of full-throated apology for what happened last week and the role he played in that. >> whatever he says, whatever he does, the stain here is indelible. kaitlan collins at the white house, phil matting the on the hill, ross garber, i fully appreciate your insights. congressman lamm represents a swing state in pennsylvania, but he says this is no time for caution and they must bar
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democrat connor lamm narrowly won the election in november, getting a healthy share of trump voters. yet lamm, who did not support nancy pelosi for speaker back in 2019, is all in for the final trump impeachment push now. congressman lamm said it is imperative to hold trump accountable for the insurrection and know, quote, this man can never again be commander in chief. congressman lamm joins us live. congressman, it's good to see you. you live in a swing district. i'm sure a lot of people when you go home are saying, i supported the president. maybe this is horrible, but
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let's not impeach him. i read through your tweet thread, and we can put some of it on the screen here. even if he isn't removed, impeachment can keep him from being banned to ever hold office again. senator republicans probably wouldn't vote to remove him but the tide is turning, so essentially use this to get momentum for those votes. why is this so critical in a place where your consultants might say show some caution, and you say, no, we have to do this? >> because this isn't about politics right now, it's about public safety. people really -- i want them to understand that we are in the midst of not only an ongoing criminal investigation but an ongoing crime, an ongoing series of crimes. this is not over. there is a lot of discussion about future attacks and riots taking place, but even just to focus on the president himself, if you look at the last four years when the president is in a moment of crisis, he does two things, sometimes both. one is obstruct anyone who is trying to hold him accountable,
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and the other is to do something else to distract from what he has just done. so the point i'm trying to make to people, at any moment it could be reporting he is obstructing this investigation by pardoning the people involved or aiding them or harboring them in some way, or we could find out that he's doing something unrelated to distract from all the negative attention this is giving him, something involving his military authority or god knows what. so the senate may be saying right now we can't hold a trial, we're not coming back until january 19th, those are the sort of objections everyone is raising. our job is to give them the permission to act on a moment's notice, and they should act on a moment's notice. there is no reason the president violated the constitution as written and it's our duty to keep him from becoming president. >> the riots, you're right, it
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was a crime, and they're trying to repeat that crime as we get closer to the inauguration. this is a critical moment for democrats, because as you just laid out, democrats believe this is necessary and vital. there is a question that joe biden will be president in little more than a week, so if the house votes to impeach, when do you send it over to the senate? the majority leader says he believes you do it right away. jim clyburn over the weekend said maybe we wait a little bit to let the biden presidency get started. >> listen. >> i do have concerns. so does speaker pelosi. let's give president-elect biden the 100 days he needs to get his agenda off and running, and maybe we'll send the articles sometime after that. >> what's more important to you, try to give joe biden some space or keep the urgency up and send them right over? >> i think what's important is that they're doing what they can to try to cover our bases and keep every option open.
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again, this is a fluid situation, and unfortunately, we have limited information about the president's state of mind and what he's doing at any one moment. that's why i personally am of the belief that the sooner we impeach, the more flexibility we will have to deal with this. if we learn information that suggests an immediate removal from office would be necessary, we would have the opportunity to do that. but if we don't have that information, trying to focus the senate on actually confirming some of biden's at least core national security nominees may take precedence, and that's a decision our leadership will have to make in realtime. >> you took your district back from the republican in 2016. it's a tough district, it's a swing district, leans democratic, but it's a tough district. i just talked to nancy mace who took the party back from a republican. i asked her what is important about holding the president's lies accountable?
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listen. >> we do a snap impeachment on wednesday and a few hours after debate in voting, i feel like it's pouring gasoline on the fire. i'll be reaching out to colleagues on both sides of the aisle asking what action can we take to make him accountable. there were other parties in my party, even, that were stoking the flames of violence. >> to congresswoman mace's point, i know you disagree. she does leave the president should be held accountable and she believes some of the house republicans should be held accountable in some way. the question is what way? >> i think you have to separate between the president and house republicans, even house republicans who are on the furthest edge of this insurrection. but i would say with respect to the president, our set of options are not perfect, i admit that, and many of the objections or questions that people are raising are good questions. but impeachment is really the tool that we have as the house
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of representatives and it's the tool we can exercise most immediately for what i think is a present and looming threat. with respect to other house republicans, i think we need to remember that those of us who are trying to defend our system of government against what happened last wednesday are doing so on the basis of the democratic process. we were in the house chamber arguing that the democratic process worked, that we counted people's votes and that you can trust that vote count and you can trust this democracy, and it was that democratic process that sent these republican members into office. you know, i'm not questioning whether mo brooks or marjorie taylor green was validly elected by their citizens. i think they were. they themselves are questioning the same ballots they were elected on, including some of my colleagues in pennsylvania. i wouldn't apply the same set of tools or sanctions to members of the house that i would to the president, because think the democratic process will deal
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with them perfectly fine. and i think what's so insidious about what so many of them are doing is they are telling these people, these people at these events, they are telling them that they have no other tool besides violence, effectively, because by telling them that the democratic process didn't work, that there was fraud, you cannot then in the same breath toell them, oh, protest peacefully. to these people it doesn't mean anything. they are angry and looking for an outlet. normally we would say use the democratic process, use peaceful protests, but they don't believe in that because they've been told these lies, lies that have no fwhabasis in reality and you can't cover them. these people need to be shown through the democratic process that america knows better, and that's what we're going to work on now. >> if you lie to your supporters, you can't then try to wash your hands when they act on those lies. congressman lamb, i am grateful for your time today.
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the acting u.s. attorney for the district of columbia says hundreds of people could ultimately face charges for their role in the capitol attack. the fbi asked for information to
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help find more rioters. one of the bulletins says they've received 40,000 tips so far. the threat of violence has led the parks service to hold public parks from visitors and it has led to closing other public areas of the mall. the message? stay away on inauguration day. >> our goal right now is to encourage americans to participate virtually and to protect the district of columbia from a repeat of the violent insurrection experienced at the capitol and its grounds on january the 6th. >> joining me now, cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez at the justice department and cnn analyst ramsey at the police department. evan, i want to start with you. as the investigations continue and more and more people are brought into account and brought to justice and brought into court, one of the confrontations
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in town are how are the very top of these agencies dealing with this in that we have an acting attorney general and fbi director who i believe have commented in a paper statement, but unlike this past summer, not as visible? >> that has been a very stark contrast, what we've seen since the wednesday insurrection, john. we've seen paper statements from chris wray, the fbi director, we've seen paper statements from the acting attorney general jeff rhodes and nothing before the cameras. and frankly across the administration, we've heard very little from the president except for that hostage video he recorded, nothing from the pentagon. you can watch what they did a little bit over the summer to see the big difference. take a look. >> we have evidence that antifa and other similar extremist groups, as well as actors of a variety of different political persuasions have been involved in instigating and participating in the violent activity. >> we're seeing people who are
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exploiting this situation to pursue violent extremist agendas, anarchists like antifa and other agitators. these individuals have set out to sow discord and upheaval rather than join in the righteous pursuit of equality and justice. and by driving us apart -- >> and, john, that is back when the attorney general and the fbi director were both somewhat obsessed with this idea that antifa, the anti-fascist groups that were fighting on the streets here in washington and in other cities were the big problem for law enforcement. obviously, in those arrest ths t we saw over the summer and in recent days, the bigger problem has been right wing extremism and the silence from those officials has certainly gotten our attention. there is a lot of work being done right now by the fbi, by the prosecutors, to try to bring some of these people to justice, and one of their top focuses,
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john, is the concern about some of the coordination and whether or not -- how much planning there was, you know, because you saw people with zip ties and so on showing up there, so we expect that these arrests are going to be in the hundreds, as you pointed out, and it's going to be going on for a while. >> chief, the three people most responsible for protecting the capitol, the security, the capitol hill police chief, the sergeant of arms in the house and the sergeant of arms in the senate have all resigned because of this. the police chief, steven sun, gave an interview in the "washington post" and said he needed help and was told no by his superiors. they asked for permission for the national guard to be put on stand-by, but they turned him down. this was the sixth time sun's request for help but rejected or delayed. there are a lot of accountability questions here, number one, but in this moment when we know there is chatter for recreating this, doing it
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again, more violence before or around the inauguration, do you have any confidence that they are ready? >> well, that really kind of remains to be seen. i thought they would have been ready on the 6th. i'm not surprised at what the former chief is saying. there are a lot of people whose fingerprints are on this failure, there is no question about t. heit. he's carrying the brunt of it now. but as they get into more detailed investigations, which will take place, they'll find out there were a lot of people who dropped the ball on this one. the question is now, what are we going to do in the future? we have some very important dates come up. and if they move forward with impeachment either wednesday or thursday, that's going to possibly spark demonstration somewhere, d.c. or elsewhere. then you've got the 17th that has already been targeted as some kind of demonstration allegedly in support of second amendment rights, but i think that's just a cover for the kind of thing you saw last wednesday. king's birthday on the 18th could always pose some kind of problem, and then, of course,
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the main date which is the 20th of january, the inauguration of the new president. and so they've got to get their act together very quickly, because the sergeant in arms of both senate and house have resigned. who has replaced them? i know there is an acting chief at the capitol police, but who has the ball and who can make decisions? >> it's a very important time, and obviously they're taking additional security concerns, the d.c. mayor urging people not to come to washington. we'll watch as it turns out. senator ramsey, thank you for your time today. president-elect biden choosing a long-time diplomat to lead the cia . how about poor fred wilson?
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president-elect joe biden tapping a career diplomat to run america's premiere spy agency. william burns has served for five presidents from president clinton to barack obama. arlette saenz tracking the transition from delaware. arlette, this one is out of the box. it's interesting. >> reporter: yeah, john, it's certainly a unique pick as president-elect biden decided to go with someone who has long experience in the state department but not necessarily in the intelligence world. the president-elect has decided to nominate william burns to lead the cia. now, burns has been a long-time
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figure in foreign service circles. he served as deputy secretary of state under president obama and then worked for about 33 years in the foreign service spanning across many presidents. and one of those positions he held was as u.s. ambassador to russia. that is something that could come in handy as he is said, once confirmed, to lead the department or to lead the cia. one thing to note about biden's cabinet picks. this decision, under the trump administration, the cia director is part of the cabinet, but the president-elect has decided to go back to the old standard where the cia director is not a cabinet member. so that is one change. but with the president-elect set to take office in just nine days, the majority of his cabinet nominees have not had their confirmation hearings scheduled yet. that is a difference from past
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president trump is described by allies as enraged, insisting he is not to blame for the deadly capitol insurrection by his supporters. we are told we could hear from the president later today. sources telling cnn the president wants to lash out at the big tech platforms that are banning him after last week's mayhem. twitter and facebook are the ones banning him, plus parler has lost its access to the president. although people are agitated, it's a very important forum. >> absolutely, john, and it's been taken off overnight. parler relies on amazon. amazon, besides delivering every product to america, they keep a lot of websites in the world
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online. last night amazon pulled its support for parler, and parler right now is offline. in the past few moments we just learned that parler is suing amazon in an attempt to get back online. now, john, this is all coming about because, as you mentioned, facebook and twitter, they're purging the qanon conspiracy theoris theorists. him and his supporters are now looking for these new platforms where they can communicate. the problem with that, of course, is that many of these platforms have no rules at all and they are just rabbit holes of misinformation and hate speech. last month just a few weeks ago, i spoke to many trump supporters in georgia who use parler, and here's what they told me about it. >> what is something you can say on parler that you wouldn't be able to say on facebook? >> that the coronavirus is not as deadly as everybody says it is. >> and you can literally post that on twitter and get in
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twitter jail for that. >> but you can post it on parler? >> yes. >> so, john, i mean, really this is a whole new challenge now for this country. if millions of americans are moving to platforms where there are no rules at all, it could really be a recipe for radicalization. john? >> it's a fascinating time. we live in a country that cherishes its first amendment. americans should be able to say just about anything, but there is a "just about" part to that. we're trying to sort that out when it's just a flat-out lie in many cases. john sullivan, greateful for yor insight and reporting on these stories. and a democrat wants to punish gop colleagues for trying to overturn the election. area hs
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a newly elected house democrat today introduced legislation designed to remove from office republican lawmakers who supported the president's election objections even after last week's violent capitol insurrection. the measure from congresswoman shirley bush reads in part, members of the congress who sought to overturn the 2020 presidential election violated their oath of office to uphold the constitution or the rules of the house of representatives, and should face sanction including removal from the house of representatives. joining me now, julie hirsei hid davis. manu raju saying republicans are deciding whether to privately
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censure the president in order to show their disapproval. if republicans say impeachment is too much or just can't do it with only nine days left, what will they do? is there enough serious traction for house republicans to push for censure? >> i think there is no question that there are republicans who would like to register dismay and disapproval with what they saw on wednesday but don't want to go so far as to get involved in an effort to impeach the president or even this effort that house democrats have launched to try to call on the vice president to invoke the 25th amendment and begin that process himself with the cabinet. so, yes, i think there is a lot of interest among some of those republicans, and they have had conversations also with some democrats about whether this could gain traction. i think the problem we did see, as you probably remember, the last time the house impeached this president, there was also talk of a possible censure, and the problem is that most of the democrats who are involved in this effort, and frankly most of the republicans, think that doesn't go anywhere near far enough to respond to what we saw
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on wednesday. there is a lot of anger and a lot of really deep conviction that the house has to go on the record very strongly against what happened on wednesday, and that impeachment is really the only way to do that. so there is interest in what is a sort of offramp, and a censure would certainly be that, but so far i don't see the kind of critical mass we need to see to have that take off. of course, we don't know where this is going to go. it's all moving very, very quickly. >> things are moving very quickly, and your team and our team will stay on top of it. this is the resolution from cory bush, a freshman democrat just elected, and he said the house republicans who voted for the election objections, even though they know it's a lie and even after what happened at the capitol on wednesday should be sanctioned in some way. a house democrat said kevin mccarthy should resign. after bloodshed in our capitol, kevin mccarthy went to the house floor and led our republic on
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the renewed attack on our democracy. is there any leaning on these republicans to say they at least owe america an apology? >> they are going to talk about this issue and more, probably the impeachment push. i think it would be more than likely we would see the leadership to make any kind of move on this to force members out. we're seeing on the democratic side, and it has some sympathy by republican members as well, an effort to really cast out the members who were involved in this as pa erirpariahs. there is talk about stripping their involvement. there is talk about taking them off the judiciary committee, because now there is an investigation of this
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insurrection, and he's saying they shouldn't be involved in that since he helped to stoke it. we're seeing a really strong push from the democrats and i think the question remains whether they'll be successful on that. >> one of the many moving parts we need to follow. julie, thank you very much. great to see you today. brianna picks up right now. hello, i'm brianna keilar and i want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. we are watching history in progress today as lawmakers move ahead to hold president trump accountable for inciting a mob to attack the u.s. capitol. right now the clock is ticking for vice president mike pence. democrats want him to gather the remaining members of the cabinet and invoke it is 25th amendment to remove the president. it does seem unlikely, though, that he will act, even after the president hammered pence for