the coach's decision. first that decision by the pga to abandon a prestigious tournament at one of the president's clubs and now this. we don't want to leave you tonight before an update on the coronavirus pandemic. unfortunately it is not good. there have been more than 182,000 new cases reported today alone. nearly 1600 new deaths. keep in mind the figures on monday are usually slow to be counted because of the weekend. the news continues. want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." >> anderson, thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." the trump insurrection may spread to all 50 states. it was so easy for toxic trumpers on wednesday let's be honest. there is still such embracing of trump by his party that people looking to destroy america are making plans everywhere. this comes from the fbi. they say armed protests again in d.c., better armed this time,

and in all 50 state capitols are being discussed online and in person in the runnup to our inauguration. they're promising again to be better armed and more deadly, specifically targeting president-elect biden, v.p.-elect harris, and speaker pelosi. so who will stand up for america now? how about the president? he could do a public event. he could threaten to bring holy hell down on anyone who interrupts the inauguration. but he doesn't. why? now you know why. donald john trump likes that extremists and would be terrorists want to advance his cause apparently. now, as for him and the reckoning and what can be done here to show that it was wrong, trump may be impeached again on wednesday. we're going to debate tonight whether that must be done just to set a precedent but no matter what the rationale is, it isn't

going to result in any kind of conviction. not with mitch mcconnell in charge of the senate. we'll get to him in a second. and impeachment is not going to keep us safe and certainly is not a sufficient response to the attack on america. why? because trump didn't do this alone. the electeds in congress, the operatives posing as media, they matter more going forward than the man they hide behind. even now most say the minimum. they lie about being tough on trump. they claim to be victims. while the coup was ongoing they were already saying they would be censored. the left was coming to get them. the political payback is the least of their worries now. why aren't gop party members calling on trump to take action? why aren't they coming en masse out to the public and going at the attackers themselves?

why aren't they saying, hey, would be terrorists, you're not part of us. we don't want you. think about it. why aren't they doing it? instead, what are they doing? playing politics as usual. oh, this was no different than any other protest gone awry. what about the summer? are they serious? and be clear. they were baiting what happened on wednesday right up until the attack and during it. on the day offat tack arizona re-trump-lican paul goez are tweeted he wanted biden's resignation on his desk. don't make me come over there he wrote. don't worry your friends took care of it. the congresswoman from colorado declared, today is 1776. then she ran when they came. some patriot. it gets worse. now they're saying what we just did what everybody else does.

listen. >> the bottom line is the court is saying we're not going to touch this. you have no remedy. basically in effect the ruling would be that you got to go to the streets and be as violent as antifa and blm. >> just think about -- hold on for a second. just think about how crazy that is. so all the courts reject your appeal. they didn't refuse to listen. they listened. you refused to offer proof. then the conclusion of a member of congress is i guess that ruling means we have to be as violent as antifa and blm which by the way have never been as violent as you and the people you stoked just were. so after a judge threw out re-trump-lican gohmert that joke, his ludicrous lawsuit aiming to force mike pence to overturn the vote, he said, violence in the streets may be

the only remaining option. look, he said it to sound tough. to be extreme. and then he ran. and there were plenty like him. 130 in the house in fact. they said similar to him, or they allowed it to be said you didn't hear anybody call him out. there was no pushback. and then they voted to send the same malignant message. this wall of shame will be remembered in history. they all swore oaths to defend our country against all enemies foreign and domestic and they failed. they have become what they were supposed to oppose. helping to incite insurrection by lending credence to trump on his insanity that the election was stolen. voting to help him overthrow it. directly encouraging the violence themselves. feality and fear of doing what was right for you was fuel for dark forces.

that's why these groups now feel empowered. just like trump did. and every day that all of those re-trump-licans fail to own their fealty was wrong, that they reject these groups, that these people are not patriots, every day they fail to do that the threat grows. do they not understand that extreme right groups who are on terror watch lists in this country have been turbo charged? and that lies they are telling will literally kill like they just did and it will happen again. just announcing the violence of the coup is not going to make it stop. you released the kracken on this country. and then you ran because you knew what you were doing all along was wrong. and it wasn't just about the coup. if you were acting in good faith, senators rubio and cruz,

hawley, mr. mccarthy in the house, why didn't you stay and greet your maga mates? you told them to come. you said the election was rigged or said nothing. you said the left was trying to steal the country. america would be forever changed! socialism! communism! every ism that's scary! why now try to make it just like another controversy? these are not desperate people that we saw just becoming what they oppose in a fit. they are evil, zealots, armed, prepared with molotov cocktails, handcuffs. and they came to do what you said was righteous. they came hunting for u.s. lawmakers chanting, hang mike pence. thank you, mr. president. everyone knows what happened and why. five are dead. including a capitol police officer. but the re-trump-licans want to say you know what the problem is. this biden, he is no uniter.

can you believe the unmitigated gall, now you want to talk about who is not a uniter at the worst time when we need you to finally do what's right you're still going to do what's wrong? you just fomented an overrun of the capitol. have you no shame? for the safety of your own families can't you just stop making it worse? stop playing this as another left/right squabble. you really may start a civil war. it is up to the rest of us to stop this now. how? how? let's brain storm. we have the house majority whip democrat james clyburn. thank you sir. thank you for joining us during these dangerous days. >> well, thank you very much for having me, chris. and thank you for your comments. i think they are right on. we are at an inflection point in the country and i would hope

that sane heads will prevail. i've been around this stuff for a long, long time. back in the '60s we had these kinds of divisions in the country but people got beyond parties. they came together. religious groups, other kind of civic groups and political groups. i've been telling people recently that i'm blessed with three wonderful daughters. but if i ever had a son, his name would have been james everett in honor of j. everett dixon simply because back when we were trying to get the voting rights act and civil rights act back in '64 and '65, i was so enamored with dirkeson until i said if i ever have a son i

would name him after him. and that is the kind of thing that we have to really think about this country. that's what happened when richard nixon went awry. it wasn't the democrats that sat down with nixon and said it's time for you to go. it was the republicans that went to him. i would hope we would take the steps necessary today to really appeal to the right thinking people in this country to come together as a country and continue our pursuit. i call it the great pursuit of liberty, justice, for all. so that's what this thing is all about. and i would hope we would get some help from the other side putting this country back on track. >> do you see any sign of that help? you're certainly not going to get it on impeachment. mcconnell already said he

wouldn't put it up until after the inauguration so you only have a couple weeks left. do you have any signs of cooperation? >> well, there are some signs of cooperation. maybe not on the senate side but as you know, we don't have to start a trial at the time of impeachment. an impeachment is simply an indictment. and then you make decisions collectively as it goes to bring this thing to trial. and so i don't believe that you got to rush to a trial simply because you do the impeachment. i would hope that we will vote wednesday to impeach simply because i tng's necessahink it' for us to say to anybody who would ever wish to be president again, this is not okay. when you do this, there is going to be a price to pay. i don't know anybody who would

relish going around being indicted and which, this is what this is all about. >> i understand. i understand the rationale. to be honest at first, well, it's not going to resolve the way they want so why do it but i understand the precedential value. what do you say to senator rubio who says this makes clyburn and the democrats the problem. you're the problem by doing this. we need to come together and you're doing this. what do you say to him? >> well, people said john lewis was a problem when he was seeking justice. and now we say john lewis was a saint. you have to do what's in the best interests of the country. you have to do what you know to be right. i used to run a state agency and i remember one time i was talking to a guy about having made a finding against him. he said to me, you know when you're wrong. i think these people know that they are wrong.

the question is whether or not they'll admit that they are wrong. this was as clean of an election that has ever been in my lifetime. and we know that this president-elect won by over 7 million votes. that, to me, in any other country would be a landslide. a lot of us on my side are trying to reach out. i just proposed legislation the other day to make "lift every voice and sing" a national hymn. to me that would be a unifying effort on our part. i would hope to get bipartisan support for that. >> great idea. >> let's sit down and do the things that are necessary to bring us together. that is something that would bring us together. >> one more quick question for you. how concerned are you on the security side? congressman cicilline and the ugly threats left as voice malice for him that people are

coming to get him. they are more obvious, more ominous. the idea that maybe you had some within the ranks of the security forces that didn't behave right out of some type of affinity to the people coming. how worried are you about these two issues? >> i am very worried about that. because i have been in this business a long time. i used to run the agency here in south carolina that dealt with those kinds of issues. when i left state government for the last five years that i was in state government, i had a full-time law enforcement agency assigned to me. they used to stay in my home when i was not here with my family. i know what this is all about. i'm very concerned about it. i also know that it is the atmosphere that's created that determines whether or not these people are successful with their efforts. that is why we're trying to get people in washington to sit down

and create a climate that allows us to solve our problems as a team, as a group of citizens. and not continue to try to make headlines the next day. i am interested in making headway. not headlines. >> congressman jim clyburn, god bless and thank you. >> thank you very much for having me. >> we do have to change the definitions here, the metrics, the measurements for success. it's not about who wins. it's about what survives now. because trump did everything with an acting this and acting that because he couldn't get anybody through his own senate process. we now don't have a head of homeland security. so who is keeping us safe right now as the fbi is ramping up for what may be new domestic bloodshed? we'll take that to a counterterrorism expert. phil mudd is back on the show. and talk to michael smerconish about what republicans need to do to redeem themselves and what

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left and right, be reasonable. we need all hands on deck. this is not just politics anymore. trumpers are running off the ship like rats. we just lost the homeland security chief. this comes at a time that the

fbi issues one of its most dire nation security bulletins yet. trump insurrection across all 50 state capitols and washington, d.c. our safety is in the hands of people almost exclusively acting in acting capacities. who is going to keep us safe? what political and practical moves are necessary? phil mudd and michael smerconish join us now. good evening, gentlemen. phil. >> good evening. >> give us a sense of how you see the nature and degree of the threat. >> look, i look at this as a cancer. if you have a central node for cancer you can attack it. you can attack those cells. the problem if you're in the government right now is you've got an fbi warning that says there are potential threats in 50 states. you cannot, chris, you cannot coordinate security for 50 states simultaneously on one day.

you have to assume that all of the local police and sheriffs are coordinated. maybe with national guard assistance. maybe with their state governments in support or not. you can't do that. the second thing i'd say is to refer back to what you said about a bunch of acting people. in a real world you'll have an operation center coordinated by the white house. that is the white house is sitting on live, secure video feeds with agencies like homeland security, like the fbi, saying what are we seeing minute by minute, who is doing what, and if there is a problem you've got the players at the table who can pull the triggers and also, this is really important, you have the experience to pull the triggers and say this is what we're going to do in california and new york. you can't do that many places at once, chris, and you don't have the people in place who are being coordinated by the white house simultaneously. >> how worried are you about this and how worried are you about the people that we saw leading people into the capitol?

>> that's -- i'm worried as both an american and a practitioner. let me give you the easy part. the practitioner. that is just mulltiplication tables. you can assume people don't show up with multiple ar-15s, if there is not a hostage event, if no security is breached like at the capitol, but, chris, that is a multiplacation table. on 9/11 i was evacuated from the white house. that was people who didn't look like this. how do we look at visa processes to ensure we don't have dirty people come into the country? how do we have no fly lists? right now i can't do that. there's 80 million people on the president's twitter list. the people coming over the trans

om at the capitol are in idaho or california are me. they're us. i can't defend that, chris. they're not them they're us. >> michael, the political fix. the democrats will make a move on impeachment. they say it has precedential value. that they have to do it even if the process isn't complete. what do you see as incumbent upon republicans to be doing right now that they're not? >> i had a telephone call today on sirius xm, chris, where we both enjoy a home on the potus channel. i think his name was anthony in san francisco. he said to me something i hadn't thought of. it should be the republicans who are pushing for impeachment because they'll bear the burden. donald trump will dominate the party through 2024 unless they take him out of the mix and taking him out of the mix right now would mean that he is impeached in the house and convicted in the senate. i don't expect that to happen but i thought it was a really good observation.

there is this triumverate that needs to be dislodged. it is conservative media the hold on the base and then the ability with incumbents who are scared to death and cowtow to all that they want. i think the big story today was cumulus. this owner of more than 400 talk radio stations across the country essentially saying to their conservative hosts if you lie, about the state of the election, if you continue the fiction that it is not over, we will fire you. and i don't remember that kind of an edict in the last 20, 30 years. i think it was very necessary and very healthy. i don't want them to squelch opinion but these are facts that we're talking about. that's what needs to happen. >> blurry line though, michael. >> say it again, chris? >> blurry line. opinion and fact. about what you think is right and wrong. >> chris, i think i have a standard for that. it's the defamation standard.

hyperbole is not actionable but you make an assertion of fact that's capable of being proven true or false. that's actionable. i think the same standard should apply here. if people want to go on and criticize the two of us or even phil mudd with hyperbole, that's one thing. but if they want to outright lie about our positions or what's going on in the congress that's quite something else. i think it's a healthy step in the right direction. a final thought is this. donald trump to me, and i blame him, i want to be very clear about that. i blame him for lighting the fuse last wednesday. but this didn't begin with his speech and frankly it didn't begin with his election. it's been 30 years in the making, largely stirred by individuals with a profit motive to keep you listening to radio shows, television programs, and internet clicks. >> michael smerconish thank you very much. i'll give phil mudd his own last word out of my mouth. when trump was first starting

during the campaign and playing with extremist groups and rhetoric that plays to them and they were coming out in favor phil mudd told me these are not people to play around with. if they find a way into the legitimate game we will regret it and now here we are. phil, thank you. smerc, thank you. you've all seen this startling image. the man making off with speaker pelosi's lectern. big smile. yay! not no more. not free for long. not smiling for long. tonight his legal team is here. what is the defense? what does this man mean? why did he do this? and we have loads of tips that are helping the fbi and, boy, the work is ongoing and you won't believe what they're finding. the key intel from the insurrection, next.

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would be terrorists maurading in the name of trump not done the fbi issuing a startling warning. i don't even know what we do about it to be honest. every single state capitol is

targeted for armed protests. can they pull that off? i don't know. but how do you deal with it? doesn't matter who the government is, red or blue, trump loyalist, this was never about whether there is a "d" or "r" in front of a politician's name. this was as clear as the agony on this cop's face. mob crushed him in a door. this is way beyond politics. using the flag as a weapon in the blood thirsty berating of an officer on the steps. you want to know why re-trumplicans ran? they knew what they have unleashed. multiple bombs not just ready but deployed. napalm like molotov cocktails concocted and at hand. metal pipes. chemical irritants. these guys came with a plan and the tools to carry it out. >> hang mike pence!

hang mike pence! >> so much for high ground, right? still telling yourself this wasn't a coup? that's the two top officials in the line of succession being targeted by name. the criminal justice system is moving. you got 20 federal criminal defendants. about another 40 charged in d.c. superior court. one thing that is a benefit of these people feeling so entitled is they put their names and photos everywhere and gave interviews because they thought they were better than other thugs, terrorists, and rioters. they were wrong. justice is blind. the guy seen chasing after a black police officer, the guy with his feet on pelosi's desk, the guy who walked off with her lectern. none of them smiling in their mug shots. as for adam johnson here, his lawyers are going to join me in a bit. we'll see how they explain why he was there and what he is about. plenty of officers also have some explaining to do, officers. as many as 17 capitol police

under investigation for their behavior during the attack. we know the officer who decided to pose for selfies as well as one who popped on a maga hat. they've been suspended. is that enough? a badge is no shield for consequences from what we saw. >> cops are very cool like hey guys have a good night. just crazy. really weird. you can see some of them are on our side. >> each day, that passes, gives us more and more clarity. this is a big problem and it requires everybody to come together in the name of what is right right. the more we learn the more clear it becomes. we can't move on. i know that people on the right want to play this like it is just the latest or they're the victims. and that the left is coming to get them. but it is pastime for that bs. we need accountability and it is on you people not to complain as victims but come out and say you know what?

this was wrong. what trump was doing was wrong. and we should have done more to stop him. that would be a first step. okay? now, look at this. this is what you've unleashed. these guys are not just people who, you know, came overwhelmed with their outrage. they came read handcuffs. who are they looking for? who did they want to cuff? the fbi is running down some 45,000 tips. time is not on their side. this wasn't a one time event. every day we see another member of congress being threatened in an airport all while they get voice mails that sound like this. >> the -- this time you little -- you got 80 -- million people coming after you, you commy little -- you haven't seen anything yet. you haven't seen anything yet. if you impeach him, civil war is on, buddy.

>> now, listen. i get calls like this. i have people say this stuff to me in person at a distance. but once you see what happened last week, talk doesn't just sound like talk anymore, does it? and remember, we didn't get here overnight and we didn't get here because of trump alone and people have to stop saying that especially on the right. trump is different now. no you're different. you're different because you saw the effect of what you caused. re-trumplicans spent years weaponizing that anger. take notice. the same ones that now insist we have to move on in the name of unity, seriously? the only thing that's unifying the nation at this moment is the terror threat that currently stretches from sea to shining sea. oh, yeah. and the pandemic that's killing all of us that you're doing nothing about. and the vaccine roll out that you totally botched and your a he not fixing. so let's start small.

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tonight adam johnson the man photographed taking house speaker's lectern during the capitol riot is out on bond after appearing before a tampa federal judge. he now faces three charges. one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority. one count of theft of government property. and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on capitol grounds. he got out on bail so i hope he is not part of one of these groups planning to do this again. his attorneys are david bigny and dan eckhart and they join us now. gentlemen, thank you. >> chris, thank you very much. greatly appreciate you giving us the opportunity to speak about

our client adam johnson. >> dan, you have a very prestigious pedigree. you were a federal prosecutor, federal agent. everybody has a right to a defense. they don't have a right to you as counsel. why does this man deserve your level of defense? >> chris, that is a great question. again i want to thank you for giving us this opportunity to talk to you a little bit. mr. johnson has the right as you know, you are an attorney, as anybody else that is a member of society. that is one of the beautiful things about the united states. you have the right to counsel. and myself and mr. bigny feel like we are going to represent our client to the fullest extent of the law >> i know you will but i'm saying why does he deserve your help in this situation? he has no right to your help. what do you know about him that makes you feel that there are redeeming characteristics to who he is and what he did, sir? >> well, i'll tell you one of the things, chris.

to be honest with you it's, you know, you always can't judge a book by its cover so to speak. you've got the photos and a lot of things on social media where they're demonizing mr. johnson. it is really a mischaracterization. he is a family man. his wife is a physician. he has five children. there is nothing in his background or his past that would attribute any type of violence or this type of rebellious behavior to him. it is an anomaly, an unusual situation for him. >> so he is not part of some extremist group? he wasn't part of an organized effort to get into the capitol? doug, you can take this. >> well, no. no. he certainly wasn't. he was there to witness a little bit of history and that's the extent of it. he wasn't involved in any coup. he wasn't involved in any planning of any entering of the capitol. things got out of hand. you saw the pictures. he was not there for any

destruction, any treason. he was just there to witness history. >> all right. so now we turn to being two on one does not become an advantage. the guy did it. he is obviously in there. he was in there with a pack of savannah ajs who were trying to find and target members of congress and do terrible things. did terrible things. he is smiling his ass off while he takes a lectern. what is any rationale for him not being guilty, dan? >> well, david. >> oh, sorry. i'm calling you a different name to protect you for the fact that you represent this guy in the first place. no i'm kidding. why should we have any kind of sympathy for this cat when he was part of one of the worst acts in american modern history? >> well look. a couple things. first of all we've gotten to know him a little bit over the last week or so. he is not the guy being portrayed on the media. we are here to defend him. he's got his constitutional

rights and we are here to protect him. as far as him going in you have got to realize the capitol is in theory one of the most secure buildings in the country. there are cameras everywhere. that being said i'm pretty certain that the government, that the u.s. attorney's office, that they have looked at the videos. they've had an opportunity to see every step that he took from the time that his -- from his entire involvement in this case. yet he is out today. he's at home. he's with his wife. he's with his five children. it is not because he is a threat to the country. it's not because he's a flight risk. so you've got to think that if he was that type of threat or if the government really thought that he was involved in some sort of coup, that he'd probably still be incarcerated right now. >> that goes to my first question, david, which is why are you representing him? i think you're why he got bond.

when you have really talented lawyers, they can work the system. and, dan, the problem for you is the picture. the guy has the lectern. he went in there. he took it. nobody forced him to go in there and take it. and he was with a group of people that were trying to perform a coup. i mean, you know, what is the upside for this guy? why does he deserve bond or anything else? >> well, the upside, chris, again, there are different levels of culpability in a situation. you had a mass crowd. hundreds, thousands of people. i've seen the same videos. i've been watching you on cnn. i've seen these videos of these people fighting with law enforcement. and they're destroying property. and they're the tip of the spear. that's not our guy. our guy is pro law enforcement. he's pro -- i mean, he is not that guy. so you're going to have different levels of these people being charged and indicted and our guy is not wuchbt violent, disruptive guys that wanted to in your words overthrow the government.

he is not that person. that is why he deserves our representation. >> david, he is not one of those people. he did exactly the same things. he broke into the u.s. capitol. he went where he wasn't supposed to be. he stole something that he knows isn't his. and he loved it. >> well, there is a big difference between him and the people that actually broke into the u.s. capitol. i don't believe there is any damage that he did any -- any evidence that he did damage to anything. looking at your own website today it is clear that there was no security prohibiting the entry of a lot of the people that went in. so he was not one of those people that was forcing anything. >> but he knew he wasn't supposed to go in, david. >> well, but that wasn't your question. your question was, started out with he had forced his way in and that is not what happened. >> david, he knew he wasn't supposed to go in. he knew he wasn't supposed to take that lectern.

>> that being said, what you've seen is a picture. you've seen a picture of one instance. >> did somebody force it into his hands, dan? did somebody tell him at gun point you take this lectern or we're coming for your kids? what am i missing? >> you know, chris, i made a mistake during the initial questioning where somebody did point out hey there is a photograph. appears to be a photograph in the capitol with a lectern and i said something to the effect of i'm not a magician meaning we can't make that evidence disappear. there are certain things in this case and david will buy in that we can't run with. i think those are things we have to live with and we have to deal with. we're trying to say you have a picture of a man in the capitol with what appears to be in the capitol with a lectern. that is a far cry from the people you see fighting with law enforcement. that are assaulting law enforcement. that are, you know, again at the tip of the spear where there's thousands of people that are in this mob so to speak. >> here is my worry and i am very slow to say this you to. david i don't know your

background as well. even got your name wrong but i'll blame myself for that later. i got covid brain. i apologize to you brother. it wasn't out of disrespect. dan, i am not coming at you as i would some other people because of your service. i, you know, looking into who you are i'm not coming at you with any kind of ugly assertion. but here is the concern. we're looking at more of this. and we're looking at people feeling emboldened by what happened on wednesday. and this fool has been all over the place smiling as like, you know, the picture of exactly who you want to be if you're a big trumper and i'm worried that him getting off, getting bond, sends the message that it's not that bad. you should try to do it, too. are you worried about that? >> well, we're not worried because, chris, this is the initial stage as you know. we just got the bond today. we just got him out today. there's more to this story and you'll be one of the first to know as the case evolves. we have evidence to evaluate, things we have to do, to

communicate to the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. and also the middle district of florida. >> and, also, as you're saying, he is not all over the place smiling. his picture of one instance is all over the place. so he is not putting himself out there with the big smiles. he's not doing any self-promotion. he's not sending out treasonous messages. you've got a picture of him. >> i know we don't have much time. i have to point out the level of threats against him and his family have been unprecedented and i have to commend law enforcement. the fbi has been working with us through the weekend. there are demonstrated threats against his wife. they have nothing to do with this. that is the other side of this. as you know we are in a fractured society right now. we have people that are obviously very hateful of our client and so they're making death threats against him and his >> well, he didn't help his

cause with what he decided to become a part of. dan, thank you, again. david bigmy, i'm sorry about your name. i have a lot of pieces of paper in front of me. he's lucky he can afford a doctor like you, otherwise he may be staring longer at those four walls. thank you, guys. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> my concern is, one, that's how the game goes. you get good lawyers because you have money from a wife who is a doctor. you get that kind of defense. we all know how it goes when you don't have that kind of defense. but what if it empowers people to try to do the same thing? nine days. nine days we have. feels like it could be forever. what else is trump capable of? we know he's not going to come out and stop these people, evidently. he could be saying that.

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mary trump, it the presiden niece, has been saying for some time now that her uncle needs to be removed from power because he'll be unstable, unhinged, whatever word you want to use, and that's happening. many of trump's allies said nothing. it took people to die, to do what we just saw, to even admit that there's a problem. mary trump is also a psychologist and author of "too much and never enough." she joins us now. you take no solace in having been right, i know that, and you're also saying it's not over. now, he is going to the alamo in san antonio. we all know what the alamo is about. we know the virtue of the call for aid and being unheeded and fighting against huge odds. he's going to alamo, texas.

alamo, texas is named after that mission in san antonio, okay? so the symbol is there, okay? do you think that's why he's going there? >> undoubtedly. i'm sure somebody else told him to go there, because as you know as well as i do, donald knows absolutely nothing about american history, but i'm sure once he was told what the symbolism was, he thought it was a good idea, but i guess whoever informed him about the alamo didn't tell him how it ended. but he is there -- he is indeed going there to make a stand of one kind or another, and it's -- you know, as i've said and as you've said and as many other people have said, this is going to continue to get worse because donald will continue to stir this up. i read the transcript of his january 6th speech, and it was

incendiary, and it was also a prescription, if you will, to his followers. so donald has never been contained, he's never been stopped. you know, he's always been allowed to get away with whatever he's wanted to get away with. i think it's time, though, for us -- well, actually, for the republicans in congress who are literally the only people on this planet who can mitigate the horrors that are going on right now. >> i can't think of many things other than calling for more insurrections that he could do that is a more harrowing symbol than going to the alamo which is the last -- alamo, texas. i don't care that he's not going to the alamo.

obviously alamo, texas is not a coincidence. he shouldn't be going anywhere near anything called that right now, not out of disrespect to the alamo, but what it will mean to these crazy extremist groups who love to see themselves fighting to the death in the odds. how can people around him let him do this? >> because they think it benefits them to some degree. listen, if mike pence, who was literally being threatened -- >> hunted. >> yes, hunted and threatened with hanging at the hands of a mob donald incited, if he's not going to stand up and exercise his constitutional right to invoke the 25th amendment -- and by the way, why were they hunting him and threatening him? because on january 6th, he was exercising his constitutional duty to certify the election. >> right. >> and apparently because he was not going to tell the big lie

that donald has been peddling for the last two months, mike pence deserved to die. and yet he is still not putting a stop to this. and he could. >> his guys are apparently trying to tamp down the temperature. they should do the opposite. not being on twitter, being somewhat isolated, hearing some members of his party go against him, will any of that mean anything to him in terms of thinking about where he is and what he should say? >> no, and i take issue with the whole he's isolated because he's not on twitter. he has an entire press corps with cameras he wants to step i of a camera, so that's absurd on the face. he just knows if he steps in front of reporters, he can't control the narrative completely. there's nothing anybody can say. he's not going to come to his senses because he doesn't have any, you know, so it's a question of other people

stepping in and blocking him and containing him, and republicans in congress are the only people who can do that, and yet, instead of doing that, what are they doing? they're putting it all on democrats and telling the democrats that they're the ones who need to call for unity and, i guess, just let bygones be bygones? >> i don't know. >> donald incited an armed insurrection against his own government in the process of which a capitol police officer was killed. what else did they need to see have happen? >> obvious morjecviously more, they're still playing the game. i appreciate your perspective. mary trump, be well. >> thank you. you, too, chris. i'm going to get to the big show with d. lemon. don, it wasn't congress but it was one kind of leader who took a stand today.