tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 11, 2021 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
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good evening. the acting secretary of homeland security has resigned. the fbi is warning of a nationwide wave of armed protests planned for coming weeks. house democrats will vote on wednesday to make donald trump the first president to be impeached twice. we are learning more about the deadly insurrection he incited and the more we learn the more terrifying and sickening it becomes. what is also sickening what we learned from cnn political analyst maggie haberman. she reports president trump is angry at the professional golf association for pulling the
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championship at his golf club than the process of impeachment, angrier by an order of magnitude. think about that. it may speak to something else beyond his greed and his grievance when deprived of a money-making toy, namely how little pressure and sense of responsibility the president is feeling right now. for wednesday's insurrection, an attack on the seat of our democracy. let's not pretend here, with five people dead, a nation traumatized and the fbi warning there could be more political violence to come, so far there has been no real reckoning. in fact, until this weekend when flags began flying at half staff at the white house and federal buildings, there wasn't even simple recognition that lives were lost in the attack let alone a reckoning with it. certainly not from the president. there were no daily briefings from the acting attorney general, whoever he is these days, for from the fbi director or the white house press secretary, nothing on camera since this non-accountability, no-questions-allowed moment last thursday. >> now it is time for america to
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unite, to come together, to reject the violence that we have seen. we are one american people under god. thank you very much. >> where's the president -- >> that was it from her. nothing on camera since then. we did hear from the first lady who put out a statement today. in it she named the five killed and she condemned the violence, but not the president for instan instigating it or republican lawmakers for abetting with lies to overturn the election which was free and fair. no accountability there. for from marco rubio, a member of a committee. he says it runs counter for everything he stands for. that said, he is against holding the president accountable because it would divide the country. >> so it is unfortunate that instead of unifying us right now biden, the democrats, have chosen to use it as an opportunity to talk about ridiculous things like let's impeach a president who isn't going to be even in office in
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about nine days. the left has decided this is an opportunity to destroy the right. so if you ever voted for donald trump, if you ever supported anything he did, you are just as guilty as the people who went into that capitol. >> there's maria bartiromo nodding her head like she did in all of the trump interviews. it is an unfortunate thing for senator rubio to say, especially from a man who claims to be wanting to unify the country right now. no one is saying anyone who ever supported president trump is as guilty as those who attacked the capitol. 75 million people voted for the president in the last election. good, honest, decent people. hard to imagine most of them aren't sickened by seeing thugs with bats and zip ties beating police officers and carrying confederate flags and talking about hanging the vice president. what people are saying is there need to be consequences for what we all witnessed on wednesday, consequences not just for the thugs who broke the law but for the president and his enablers whose lies and words and
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leadership led to the attack. this wasn't some outrage of the week from this white house. that we're used to, something we can just move along from. no, this has never happened in the history of this country and it wouldn't have happened if it were not for the lies and actions and encouragement of this president. it is that simple. to make sure it never happens again, people need to be held accountable. this was mayhem and murder in the capitol instigated by the president and by this guy. >> if we're wrong, we will be made fools of. but if we are right, a lot of them will go to jail. so let's have trial by combat! >> today the new york bar association said it is now looking into the possibility of expelling giuliani because lawyers are not supposed to incite mob violence. bar associations have more teeth it seems than senators from florida.
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but arguments against holding the president accountable get even weaker than senator rubio's. remember after the first impeachment when senator collins said the president learned his lesson and was unlikely to misbehave again. it didn't hold up so well, did it? imagine saying nearly the exact same thing only yesterday. >> the personal view is that the president touched the hot stove on wednesday and is unlikely to touch it again, and if that's the case, we get -- every day we get closer to the last day of his presidency. we should be thinking more about the first day of the next presidency than the last day of his presidency. >> look forward, not back, says the senator who once pronounced himself, quote, deeply troubled by the long delayed bipartisan and authoritative report on the benghazi attacks. back then he vowed, quote, to continue working with my colleagues to uncover the facts. as far as an attack on the capital fomented by the president, don't worry, he's just a child who touched a hot
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stove and he won't do it again, i'm sure about that. in fact, at the moment some of his fellow republicans are now talking about the real assault on democracy, the real threat comes not from armed right wing mobs or a president who enables them, but instead from the social media platforms no longer wanting anything to do with it. >> unfortunately, it is far worse than what i could even imagine. the effect of this is that therethere is no longer a free or open social media company or site for any american to get on any longer, because these big companies, apple, amazon, google, they have just destroyed what was likely -- parler is likely a billion dollar company. poof, it is gone. >> well, until the pga took the president's tournament away, getting bounced from twitter was said to be the president's big grievance in the wake of wednesday's attack, which is odd because it is not like he's been muzzled or anything. he has a briefing room right in his house. how many of us can say that? so if the president wants to get
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a message out, whether about a grave national tragedy like an attack on democracy or a personal one like losing a golf tournament, he can just walk downstairs, turn on the lights and have at it. meantime, manu raj uae is reporting house minority leader kevin mccarthy indicated to his republican colleagues the president bears some of the blame for wednesday. he also said trump acknowledged to him, meaning the president, bore some responsibility for the attack or the riot. with us now, ohio democratic senator sherrod brown. senator brown, how believable is it in your view that president trump acknowledged to congressman mccarthy that he bore some responsibility for what happened? i mean beyond the fact the president hasn't done this publicly, it would also i guess jeopardize his legal exposure in all of this. >> after three years and 355 days we're going to start -- not to mention his business past, his past as a private businessman, we're going to believe that he's going to take
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responsibility for something and acknowledge anything that's his fault when he won't even say it? of course, we don't believe it. that we don't expect. what we need to do is hold him accountable and kevin mccarthy accountable, cruz and hawley, who should be expelled, hold them accountable, the six senators who voted to -- who sided where the attackers, with the terrorists after the attack, the 139 house members who sided with the terrorists after the attack on our democracy, on our capitol. and the giulianis of the world and the eric trumps that incited the violence and the president of the united states, of course. that's why impeachment. >> you tweeted over the weekend, you said both josh hawley and senator ted cruz betrayed their oaths of office, i'm calling for their immediate resignations. it is unlikely they're going to
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resign or be expelled. what consequences do you believe, if any, they could actually face for their actions and the actions of the other people you spoke of? >> well, the public humiliation doesn't seem to matter much, even some of their allies. senator hawley's sort of mentor, former senator danforth, has said that -- i don't remember his exact words, but he wished he hadn't encouraged him to run for the senate. they're hearing that, but the senate as a body needs to take action. i know senator mcconnell won't, but we should -- if he's not going to resign, which of course they won't, they continue to be like trump and take no responsibility for anything even though we saw their words, we saw the picture of hawley, who george will said there's a huge chasm between his ambition and his achievement, then we should take action on expulsion. >> what would it say, not just to the nation but also to america's allies and adversaries
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if there aren't consequences for, you know, those who enabled a sitting u.s. president to attempt to overturn an election? >> well, that's one of the fundamental reasons i believe that we should impeach and we should expel those two senators and take some kind of action, which we should discuss on the others -- to the other six and the 139 house members, is our standing in the world as the greatest democracy this world has seen and people are shaking their heads, wondering about us, wondering about those awful, awful pictures. we see something, a video, a new video every day of their assaulting and kicking police officers, they're trying to crush another police officer, they're chasing an african-american police officer who should get great credit for heroism, as many of these officers should, that stood their ground against these white supremacist mobs. it should be who we are as a nation, that we hold accountable the thugs that came into the capitol, those who planned it and who were organized and
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clearly had training, planning to kill, and those who incited and the aiders and abettors from cruz to jordan to hawley to all of those senators that stood up and said there was still -- you know, biden may be president, but there was fraud. well, every senator, every republican senator, house member needs to look into the camera and say, joe biden is a legitimately elected president, there was no fraud, and i'm sorry the president lied about it. every single one of them has a responsibility to do that to really restore democracy in the eyes of the american public most importantly, but also, as you suggest, anderson, in the eyes of the world. >> what happens in the next -- i mean how concerned are you about what may happen in the next two weeks, three weeks? >> i'm very concerned about what happens leading up to the 20th and on the 20th. that's why law enforcement has to be absolutely ready.
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we know that a number of them, and maybe more, are coming back. my colleagues have heard comments from passengers, people who had assaulted the capitol, that were flying back to their states and heard their comments about they're coming back on the 20th more ready to go. that's why the -- why they need to start now. they come back with guns and they break the law and they do things, if they attack democracy again, that they will pay a serious, serious price. the people who incite them, the people who participate and the people who continue to aid and abet them. >> finally just on impeachment, i mean unless pence decides to invoke the 25th amendment, which doesn't seem likely at all, the house is poised to impeach the president a second time. what sort of timeline would you want to see for a trial in the senate? there's talk of frying to force a trial immediately. trying to enforce a trial immediately.
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what is the timeline here? >> i think you do it immediately because we want to show we are serious about accountability, holding them accountable because it was the most egregious attack on american democracy that we've seen. but i also know that the senate can do two things at once. we still organize, we get our committees going, we begin to approve people like congresswoman fudge to be hud secretary and dr. rouse to be chair of the national economic council and janet yellen as treasury secretary. it means we move immediately on the next coronavirus package so people aren't -- so we don't see evictions in the middle -- mass ee vi evictions from apartments in the middle of the pandemic. congress can do two or three things at once. mitch mcconnell now has a senate that works about 2 1/2 days a week. we will work harder, we will do more things. we will deliver for the country. we can do impeachment while we are doing these other things that deal with this, that combat the coronavirus and rebuild the
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economy starting now, starting january 20th at noon. >> senator brown, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> as always. breaking news from the white house. i want to go to jim acosta for that. you have information about the relationship between the president and vice president? >> reporter: yes, anderson. we know that the president and vice president had a meeting today. they had not spoken for several days, in part because the vice president and his team were so upset that trump did not reach out to pence during the siege on the capitol when vice president pence was up there for that official tabulating of the electoral votes. i can tell you at this point, anderson, that they're trying to mend that relationship. i talked to a source close to the vice president this evening who said they are trying to turn down the temperature in this relationship between the president and the vice president, and that they feel like the point has been made, that they did make this concern known, that the president did not reach out to the vice president when he was essentially having his life threatened up on capitol hill
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last week. at this point what the vice president's team is saying, anderson, is they're trying to send a message to the world that the u.s. has what this one source described as a fully functioning government. the vice president had a meeting with the covid task force earlier today and that sort of thing, but it is an extraordinary thing to say to a reporter, anderson, that what the vice president and his team are doing right now is trying to project to the world that this government is still operational, which i think speaks volumes. >> yes. is this government operational? because it certainly doesn't seem to be from the outside. >> reporter: no, i think, anderson, you know, when you look at how the president has behaved over the last several days, he is holed up behind closed doors, not coming out in front of the cameras, obviously he doesn't want to take our questions right now. i talked to a source close to this white house earlier today who said the president does not feel any remorse for what happened on january 6th. now, of course, kevin mccarthy, the house republican leader, as you were just saying, has been
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telling colleagues that he understands from the president that the president now feels like he bears some responsibility for all of this. but, anderson, i'm not so sure. >> no way. >> reporter: how much stocky would put in that. this is the take-no-responsibility president. i talked to two republican sources on the senate side this evening who said we have gotten zero indication that the president is taking responsibility for what happens here. anderson, until the president comes out in the briefing room or in front of the reporters gathered over here and takes responsibility publicly i think we should take all of that with a massive grain of salt, anderson. >> let's remember, the president, his first video message after seeing images of what was going on, you know, said, we love you, you are very special people. jim acosta, thanks. cnn's chief political correspondent dajoining us now. with the president saying he is accepting responsibility, which
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seems highly dubious, does censure send a strong enough message? >> there was a time and place for censure. it is now passed as a result of what happened on the 6th. we are way beyond. a censure would be a rapping of his knuckles. he needs more. he needs at minimum an albatross around him with impeachment, an article of impeachment that's been voted by the house, even if it doesn't pass the senate. so we're way beyond censure, which is, i say, a rather mild compromise that is often reached to get votes. they have the votes in the house. >> dana, do you buy this idea from kevin mccarthy? >> do i buy the idea they could think about a censure or do you mean the idea -- >> no, that the president -- >> -- that the president has remorse? >> yes, that the president has remorse. >> no, i don't. i'm with you and with jim acosta in my scepticism, for lots of
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reason, not the least of which is i have spoken to people who are familiar with the president's thinking in the last 24 hours, who say that there is no sense of remorse at all from the president. maybe possibly he could be trying to look forward and he's less crazed about the notion of a stolen election, but as we know from our experience, let's just say that was the case with somebody he was talking to who i got information from, that could have been different five minutes later. >> right. >> because that's the material nature of this president, and we know that all too well now. >> john, cnn is reporting that bill barr, former attorney general and the current white house counsel advised president trump not to try to pardon himself. how bad an idea does something have to be for two of his most ardent offenders to try to steer him away from? >> they may well have done that because they realize if he does it, it will attract the attention of the department of
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justice to challenge their existing position, which was developed back during the nixon years, that no man can be a judge in his own case. it actually invites them to challenge that and take it to court, and the only way they can do that is with an indictment. i don't know that he will not be indicted otherwise, but i think if he doesn't follow that advice and does a self-pardon, i think it is very likely he will be indicted is what they're telling him. >> does it surprise you at all that, this reporting that, you know, the vice president is attempting to, you know, calm things down between him and the president or smooth things over? the white house read-out of their meeting today was sort of upbeat and a pence adviser telling cnn is the feeling is we made our point. what point is that exactly? >> well, the point is and should be that the president, you know, left the vice president high and dry after inciting the mob to go there, and in the videos that we
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have now seen actually calling for his head. you know, the point that the vice president has been trying to make over the past, i don't know, week, since last wednesday when he finally put out a statement saying that he would support the constitution and not the illegal action that the president wanted him to take in not accepting the electoral college results, that, you know, what you did was wrong. now, obviously mike pence feels that he was in the right over the last week and history will prove that to be the case, but he also is somebody who is a young republican with ambition, and he knows better than anybody that this is still donald trump's republican party. so as, you know, kind of heroic as he was, if people want to say that, remember the mike pence over the last four years who has been unflinchingly loyal,
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despite the fact he learned as everybody else did beforehand, that's a one-way street. >> well, i mean it is incredible, dana, when you think that while mike pence was being hidden at an undisclosed location in the capitol with his wife, i believe, the president was tweeting against him while there was a mob searching to hang him. >> it is unbelievable. the fact that -- i mean, listen, politics is politics, but just on a human level, the notion according to jim's reporting that the vice president wants to make things right in their relationship, you know, most people would do their best to make sure that things stay very wrong in their relationship because it is donald trump that was the one, who was the one who did the wrong in so many ways, not the least of which, as you said, abandoning him and ignoring him when he was clearly in peril. >> i mean the idea that anybody would think that donald trump would be thinking about them in
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the midst of crisis surprises me after what we have all learned. john, george conway recently tweeted what we saw at the capitol was president trump's august 1974 and the insurrection he fomented was his smoking gun tape. in 1974 republicans did something after president nixon's smoking gun tape surfaced. from what we've seen so far, is there any reason to think they're going to do something now? >> there is not yet. we can always be hopeful that they will get the spine to go down and tell the president that he really should resign or they can speak through their processes by first in the house, a significant number of republicans joining in an article of impeachment. if there is some sympathy in the senate, they have lots of ways they can express it, and that would send a message to him. you know, the polling so far shows while he had 74 million votes in this last election, a
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lot of those people no longer support him as a result of these activities that have happened on the hill and his encouragement to ignore the vote, if you will. so i don't know that he does have that solid support. they're trying to measure that. they're politicians. they're looking at their career and their future, but if they would just do the right thing, that always is the best solution to deal with these problems. >> yeah. john dean, appreciate it. dana bash, thanks very much. next, what the fbi knows and what it wants the public to know about potential violence in the run-up to inauguration day. later, the government's former cybersecurity chief on sifting through the online clues to prevent another deadly attack. who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value
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media. they put out this bulletin. they're trying to avoid some of the mistakes that we saw at the capitol, and so they're warning law enforcement across the country that more protests are coming. as you said, one of the things they're warning is that there could be armed protests. they believe there are armed protests planned for january 16-20. they are saying that groups are calling for storming the government buildings such as courthouses and other government buildings. they're also threatening an uprising if the president was removed before his supposed last day of office. of course, there are also threats against the incoming president, against biden and against the vice president, kamala harris. all of this very concerning for the fbi, so they put this together in this bulletin that they sent out to all law enforcement across the country, anderson. >> and we know following last week's attacks on the capitol officials are now calling up
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additional security for the inauguration. do we know the plan? >> reporter: yeah. certainly national guard in washington, d.c., we'll see extra national guard. also, the secret service, now resigning homeland security, acting homeland security chief, he ordered that the inauguration a week early, for it to be called a national security event. so they're doing that. also, we're going to see there will be extra secret service, extra police certainly here in washington, d.c., but also all across the country at capitals and at government buildings. you are going to see extra security. this is a very much a real threat that a lot of people are really concerned about, and they're trying to avoid some of the mistakes that they saw last week. they just didn't take it seriously enough, anderson, and it seems now that authorities are going to be doing that. >> yeah. let's hope so. shimon prokupecz. thank you for joining us. former secret agent, jonathan
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brackbo. gloria, chad wolf the latest cabinet secretary to resign. what is the impact on one of the most fraught security situations in washington's history? >> i don't think we know yet, anderson. i mean this is the former head of the department of homeland security. we are in the midst of a national crisis here and an emergency so severe the fbi is sending out warning that you just spoke with shimon about. i think psychologically that affects every person, not only living in washington, d.c., not only the people whose lives were threatened in the government in the united states capitol, but all over the country when you hear that your elected officials, your hearts of government are going to be under attack. so when you don't have the head of homeland security there and he's handed it over to the head
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of emergency management, i think the logical question to ask is who is piloting the plane here. who is going to make sure that there is a peaceful transfer of power and can that actually occur? you know, there is a sense, asleep at the switch. >> yeah. >> what can you do about it? >> chief ramsey, former fbi acting director andrew mccabe was on cnn earlier and said the bulletin from the bureau warning of armed protest is extraordinary in its scope and specificity. how concerned are you? >> i'm very concerned. i had heard about a week ago that january 17th had been targeted for a so-called second amendment rally, which is just in my opinion cover for something like what you saw wednesday. it is going to occur not only in washington, d.c. but all the capitals across the united states, 50 capitals. so that obviously is of great concern. all you have to do is remember what happened in michigan not
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very long ago when they took over the state capital there and many of those people were armed. so, yeah, i mean in light of wednesday in particular we have to be very, very concerned. >> yeah, i mean, jonathan, looking back, that michigan state house, you know, infiltration, you can look at it as kind of a test. and it was a test that we failed and that, you know, the president encouraged. i mean the president praised these people who went in with, you know, rifles and, you know, verbally attacked, got in the face of police and legislators in the state house. before he resigned, chad wolf said he instructed the u.s. secret service to begin the national special security event operations for the inauguration on the 13th instead of the 19th. what does that mean exactly and what do you make of his resignation? >> well, i mean first of all i deviate a little bit from gloria in terms of the -- you know, his
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resignation. i think his resignation actually has little impact on, you know, the national security posture, the inauguration security and dhs's transition into the new administration. wolf never had developed a long-term strategic plan because he lacked the confirmed leadership. it often fell into what i refer to as the substitute teacher construct, the acting role really has all of the power of a confirmed position but definitely is not treated so by congress and other employees. and in terms of, like, the -- like how do we move forward, nonpolitical and career government employees are really going to carry the mantle for the next week. all of the components including the secret service have been self-managing under wolf anyway. so there really is little -- you know, his departure is sort of a so-what matter with a few days left. what is important right now and probably the best decision he has made is to move up and accelerate the transition into the national special security event, the nsse, which is
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coordinated by the united states secret service. one of the failings we saw last week on january 6th was a lack of command and control and intelligence sharing. by standing up the nsse structure now, we now have a codified command structure with a multi agency coordinating center bringing all of the entities together to share intelligence and quickly react to any type of threats that may present themselves. >> so -- >> can i say one thing? >> yeah, go ahead, gloria. >> in response, he can -- when he is gone, he can't vote for the 25th amendment should it come to that. all of these people who are resigning have given up their votes on that one, so let's just remember the impact of that. >> gloria, you know, we have been hearing now more threats against individual members of congress and that they've continued since last wednesday. i want to play for our viewers representatives left for representative david cicilline, among those leading the call for impeachment.
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>> you poked the [ bleep ] bear this time you little [ bleep ]. you poked the bear. do you understand what i'm saying? you got 830 [ bleep ] million people coming after you commie [ bleep ]. >> if you impeach him, civil war is on, buddy. >> first of all, i reject this idiot caller's notion that 80 million people support what happened at the capitol. 75 million people or so voted for president trump this last time around. i just don't believe that there are 74 million, 75 million people who support what happened at the capitol. how unprecedented is this? i mean how does washington feel tonight? >> i think washington is frightened. i think in many ways it is paralyzed about what's the right thing to do and what can they do with the little time they have. should they convict if they impeach the president in the house? should they convict donald trump or at least try to convict donald trump after joe biden is president, when they want joe
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biden's cabinet to be confirmed, et cetera, et cetera. i spoke with somebody who had to hide in the capitol the other day, who was hiding under a desk, who was afraid for his life because he chose to go into some form of public service and work for a senator. and i can only imagine that fear, and i have a hard time thinking about it all across the country. when these people are saying, we're going to do it again, we're going to do it again, and the congress is paralyzed right now about what to do, and i wonder, would they be so paralyzed if this were isis, al qaeda, whatever? i have a hard time wondering whether they would because i don't think they would be. i think they have to do what is right and hold the people accountable who need to be held accountable, and one of those is the president of the united states. >> chief ramsey, from a law enforcement perspective, how do
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you deal with crowds showing up to state capitals armed? i mean in some cases, you know, it is legal to carry. how do you deal with that from a law enforcement standpoint? >> well, i mean each state has its own gun laws and it is quite permissible in some cases for you to be armed like that. however, i'm sure what they'll do is all of the governors are certainly aware, state police will be fully activated, national guard that hasn't already been sent to washington, d.c. so they will establish a hard perimeter around the capitals that they will not allow anyone to cross. so is it concerning? yeah, if you've got armed people there. obviously it doesn't take much for this to turn into something very, very bad, which could have easily happened last wednesday in the capitol. some of those folks were armed as well. so it puts added stress on law enforcement, on everybody concerned. i would imagine they will evacuate the buildings once they
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get wind of the fact there's a protest coming on. so at least you are not worried about protecting the people, you are just trying to protect the building itself. >> chief, are you confident law enforcement can handle this? >> i hope they can. i mean i can't be 100% confident after last wednesday, but i really don't think last wednesday was the norm. i really do think they got caught flat footed. they weren't paying attention. they didn't have the resources they needed. i don't think it all falls on the shoulders of one individual, steve sun, who is former chief of the capital police. there are a lot of people who had fingerprints on this failure, believe me. once they start digging into this, they're going to find out there were a lot of people that played a role in the capitol being unprepared to deal with this. >> you know, jonathan, in the early '70s there were thousands of bombings of political bombings, mostly from left wing
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groups, a lot of them against people. it became something the people sort of got used to. that is something we haven't seen in this country for a long time. are you concerned that this is just the beginning of something? >> well, you know, i hope not, anderson. you know, for law enforcement, you know, it is -- there's a little bit of an advantage here, and let me explain that. for law enforcement it is no longer a probability assessment as to the likelihood of violence by these groups. we actually know that these are people who are prepared to engage in domestic terrorism, and, unfortunately, they believe in this apocalyptic and revolutionary ideology. so the advantage is that law enforcement actually knows who these groups are. they've been following them for a long time. they know who the hostile actors are, whether it is qanon conspiracy theories, proud boys or oath keepers. law enforcement is actually going to act very swiftly to contain this threat. >> thank you. i appreciate it. to chief ramsey's point about
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accountability, more now on the capitol hill police. a new report about actions taken against officers for their alleged roles in the riot. cnn's mark barger joins us now. what are you learning about the investigations? >> reporter: first of all, there are more than we initially thought. we are learning from a congressional aide on the house side there are up to 17 different officers who are being investigated on the capitol hill police force. most of the information we are getting is from congressman tim ryan, a democrat from ohio, and he is saying two officers have been suspended. obviously deeply distressing, anderson, to think that any of these officers could have been involved or sympathetic to their rioters, especially when one of the colleagues paid for his life. one of the officers suspended was seen taking a selfie with a rioter. another was seen wearing a "make america great again" hat and, anderson, directing the rioters according to congressman ryan. that's something we heard elsewhere. we heard from congressman jim clyburn who was really surprised
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in that something untoward had happened because rioters managed to find an office of his deep in the capitol that was unmarked, that did not have his name on it. so we have heard of people possibly being directed. obviously, anderson, this was a massive security failure, as you and your guests were saying earlier. the former chief of the capitol hill police has now stepped down. >> there are also police departments among other employers around the country looking to whether anyone affiliated with them was involved in the attack. what has the fall-out been like on that front? >> reporter: this is a specific line of investigation from federal investigators, to what extent was law enforcement, current law enforcement and military perhaps among the rioters. we know of at least seven police officers who are being investigated by their police departments in five locations across the country, new york, philadelphia, seattle, virginia and texas. the question is were they just here as protesters, as is their
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constitutional right, or did they cross the line? were they among th e rioters. 22 people have been arrested on federal charges. the acting u.s. attorney here in d.c. says that number could go up to hundreds of people and that the charges may include murder. it is clear that they're not done. the fbi, as i said, is working very hard. they've been asking for tips and help from the public. they've gotten thousands of those. they're going over all of the closed circuit video from inside the capitol, from all of the photos that have been on social media, to try to figure out who these people are. so you can be sure, anderson, that the list of charges is
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going to grow both on a local and federal level. >> alex marquardt, i appreciate the reporting. it is so sickening to see these images of people battling, pitched battles with police officers and some of the images that have come out recently are just horrific. i think it is time to take time to remember the officers as well whom we now honor as heroes in the attack. earlier senator brown referred to capital police officer eugene goodman. he was credited with helping to prevent rioters, attackers from getting inside the senate chamber. we want to show you the video of some of what he did that was captured by reporter from the hard of hearing t huffington post. they encountered the officer and they followed him up several sets of stairs and that's when this happens. take a look. you see him here. protesters are behind him right there. he looks to his left. that's key, to his left is the
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senate chamber. he sees no police officers there. "the washington post" in a detailed tiktok says police at that moment were furiously trying to lock all of the doors to the ansenate floor and keep senators safe. goodman lures the attackers in the other direction. all i has is a truncheon. without doubt he prevented an already tragic day from becoming far worse. just ahead, more on the concerns that this attack was the tip of the iceberg. you will hear from christopher krebs, a former cybersecurity chief fired by president trump, about how to detect the next attack and defeat these home-grown terrorists. anderson, this is the equivalent of ignoring the pain in your chest for a couple of weeks and all of a sudden you have a catastrophic heart attack. we are on the verge of what i fear to be a pretty significant breakdown in democracy, in civil society here.
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just before air i spoke with chris krebs, a former senior cybersecurity official for the department of homeland security fired by president trump after he rejected the president's election conspiracy theories. much of our discussion was about what we heard before the break, what he thinks law enforcement must do to sift through the incredible number of potential thefts directed at government enities to prevent the sort of attack we saw on capitol hill. >> the acting secretary of homeland security resigning, does that have practical implications for security in the capitol ahead of the
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inauguration? >> so it is certainly not what you would want to see, right, in terms of consistency and continuity in a leadership position. my understanding, at least in the acting secretary's farewell letter, that the fema administrator will be stepping in to that role and pete gainer is a marine officer. he is an emergency manager. he knows how to run events, so he should be effective in that role, and the fact that one of the last things chad wolf did as acting secretary was move up the activation of the national special security event designation to begin this wednesday. it will allow for more coordination headed by the secret service. >> obviously there's a lot to be learned about exactly what happened on the attack on the capitol and obviously a deep dive on the security failures is, you know, just beginning, if not already well under way.
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what role do you think the -- to what degree do you think it was a federal failure, a failure of -- because time and time again we've heard warning about, you know, far right extremists and it seems like this administration has not taken that threat as seriously as some in the security field would like. >> so there's no question that there's going to be a very in-depth investigation into the various breakdowns last week, you know, if there were intelligence failures, operational coordination failures, issues with the national guard. i think those -- you are seeing little bits and pieces fall out through the media over the last week or so. but i think we have to reckon with the fact that, one, the disinformation spread by the president and his supporters over the last several years has created a tinderbox situation,
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and that's what it was. i mean joseph goebbel said if you tell a lie and repeat it often enough people will believe it. i think the election fraud, that the rigging of the election was stolen is a good example. we have to get the truth out there to the american people this was a free and fair election. i think if the president wants to defend democracy and be the patriot that he thinks he is, he needs to come clean. he needs to tell the american people that he lied to them and that the election was not stolen. people need to go home and not show up either in washington, d.c. or the 50 state capitals as the fbi is reportedly telling folks. >> it seems there's no way this president is going to do that. i mean he is continuing to stand by this even on the day of the attack, you know, in the aftermath of the attack. he was saying, you know, that this was the stolen election. >> i don't believe i think his
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track record would indicate he is not capable of making that sort of concession and admission, but i think part of the unfortunate reality is he is one of the few people that many of these maga types will listen to. so that would always be the first preference, but in the meantime there have to be other steps taken that would include consideration of invoking the 25th amendment, removing him from office, or expedited impeachment by the congress. >> i mean as somebody who's worked in security and certainly security on the election and, you know, ended up losing your job because of your standing up and saying the truth about the election, how concerned are you about what lies ahead? i mean for the next week or two, certainly, but even perhaps afterward, i mean -- you know, as you said, the fbi has said there may be armed -- what they called armed protests planned around the inauguration, maybe in all 50 states.
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do you see this as the beginning of some larger conflict or is this the end of potential conflict? >> anderson, this is the equivalent of ignoring that pain in your chest for a couple of weeks and then all of a sudden you have a catastrophic heart attack. we are on the verge of what i fear to be a pretty significant breakdown in democracy and civil society here. my hope is that through serious people in law enforcement stepping up and showing a visible presence, and at least in the course of the next two weeks ensuring that there's no protest that turns into -- well, let's be clear. this is not a protest. it is an insurrection. let's make sure we quell that now. then over the next couple of years we have to continue chipping away at the disinformation and the propaganda and the lies that
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have been spread over the last several years to generate and motivate and incite these actors, these insurrectionists. >> it is not just going to go away when trump is out of office? >> no. i don't believe so, no. i think the narrative has been set. it has been engrained. i'm sure the president will continue to claim that the election was stolen, whether for fundraising opportunities or just to shield his ego. but this is, again, why he is ultimately responsible for this and he's going to be the one that has to take responsibility for it. but we -- you know, if you are a betting man, you don't make that bet, so we have to look at some of the other options we have available. i see the district attorney -- district of columbia attorney general is looking at criminal charges. you know, that is part of the tool kit that the next administration, that others will
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have to employ here to get some semblance of order back into the mainstream. >> yeah. christopher krebs, i appreciate you talking to us in this difficult time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. one more note on the hunt for the attackers who invaded the capitol, the fbi is asking for the public's help in identifying and locating this man, the guy carrying the confederate flag through the halls of congress. they say he made an unlawful entry and would like to talk to him. any information can contact the fib at 1-800-call-fbi. you can share what you know online at tips.fbi.gov. the president was ready to award the medal of freedom to bill belichick. what the coach just decided when we continue. i'm erin. -and i'm margo.
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acknowledged he was, quote, offered the opportunity to receive the award but added, quote, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. above all i'm an american citizen with great reference for our nation's values, freedom and democracy. a white house official says the administration was made aware of the coach's decision. first the decision by the pga to abandon a prestigious tournament at one of the president's club, and now this. unfortunately, the report on the pandemic is not good. 182,000 new cases reported today alone. nearly 1,600 new deaths. keep in mind the figures on monday are usually slow to be counted because of the weekend. the news continues. i'm going to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris. >> thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." . the trump insurrection may spread to all 50 states. it was so easy for toxic trump pers on wednesday -- let's be
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