acknowledged he was, quote, offered the opportunity to receive the award but added, quote, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. above all i'm an american citizen with great reference for our nation's values, freedom and democracy. a white house official says the administration was made aware of the coach's decision. first the decision by the pga to abandon a prestigious tournament at one of the president's club, and now this. unfortunately, the report on the pandemic is not good. 182,000 new cases reported today alone. nearly 1,600 new deaths. keep in mind the figures on monday are usually slow to be counted because of the weekend. the news continues. i'm going to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris. >> thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." . the trump insurrection may spread to all 50 states. it was so easy for toxic trump pers on wednesday -- let's be honest, there is still such

embracing of trump by his party that people looking to destroy america are making plans everywhere. this comes from the fbi. they say armed protests again in d.c., better armed this time, and in all 50 state capitals are being discussed online and in person in the run-up to our inauguration. they're promising again to be better armed and more deadly, specifically targeting president-elect biden, vp-elect harris and speaker pelosi. who will stand up for america now? how about the president? he could do a public event. he could threaten to bring holy hell down on anyone who interrupts the inauguration. but he doesn't. why? now you know why. donald john trump likes that extremists and would-be terrorists want to advance his

cause apparently. now, as for him and the reckoning and what can be done here to show that it was wrong, trump may be impeached again on wednesday. we're going to debate tonight whether that must be done just to set a precedent. but no matter what the rationale is, it is not going to result in any kind of conviction, not with mitch mcconnell in charge of the senate. we will get to him in a second. an impeachment is not going to keep us safe and it is certainly not a sufficient response to the attack on america. why? because trump didn't do this alone. the electeds in congress, the operatives posing and media, they matter more going forward than the man they hide behind. even now most say the minimum, they lie about being tough on trump, they claim to be victims. while the coup was ongoing, they were already saying they would be censored, that the left was coming to get them.

political pay back is the least of their worries now, isn't it? but ask yourself this. why aren't gop party members calling on trump to take action? why aren't they coming en masse out to the public and going at the attackers themselves? why aren't they saying, hey, would-be terrorists, you're not part of us, we don't want you? think about it. why aren't they doing it? instead, what are they doing? they're playing politics as usual. oh, this was no different than any other protest gone awry. what about the summer? are they serious? be clear, they were baiting what happened on wednesday right up until the attack and during it. on the day of the attack, arizona republican gozar tweeted he wanted biden's concession on his desk. don't make me come over there, he wrote. don't worry, your friends took care of it for you. also, in a tweet to pump up rioters that day, a

congresswoman from colorado declared, today is 1776. then she ran when they came. some patriot. it gets worse. now they're saying, well, we just did what everybody else does. listen. >> bottom line is the court is saying we're not going to touch this, you have no remedy. basically, in effect the ruling would be that you got to go to the streets and be as violent as antifa and blm. >> just think about -- hold on for a second. just think about how crazy that is. so all the courts reject your appeal. they didn't refuse to listen. they listened. you refused to offer proof. then the conclusion of a member of congress is, i guess that ruling means we have to be as violent as antifa and blm, which, by the way, have never been as violent as you and the

people you stoked just were. so after a judge threw out gohmert, that joke, his ludicrous lawsuit aiming to force mike pence to overturn the streets, he said, violence in the streets may be the only remaining option. he said it to sound tough, to be extreme, and then he ran. there are plenty like him. 130 in the house, in fact. they said similar to him, or they allowed it to be said -- you didn't hear anybody call him out. there's no push back. then they voted to send the same malignant message. this wall of shame will be remembered in history. they all swore oaths to defend our country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and they failed. they have become what they were supposed to oppose. helping to incite insurrection by leading credence to trump on

his insanity that the election was stolen, voting to help him overthrow it. directly encouraging the violence themselves. fealty and fear of doing what was right for you was fuel for dark forces. that's why these groups now feel empowered, just like trump did. every day that all of those re-trumplicans fail to admit they were wrong, they reject these groups, these people were not patriots, every day they fail to do that the harm grows. do they not understand they were on terror watch lists in these country, that they have been turbo charged, and that the lies they are telling will literally kill like they just did and it will happen again? just denouncing the violence of the coup, that's not going to

make it stop. you released the kraken on this country and then you ran because you knew what you were doing all along was wrong. it wasn't just about the coup. if you were acting in good faith, senators rubio and cruz, hawley, mr. mccarthy in the house, why didn't you stay and greet your maga mates? you told them to come. you said the election was rigged or said nothing. you said the left was trying to steal the country. america would be forever changed, socialism, communism, every ism, that's scary. why now try to make it just like every other controversy? these are not desperate people we saw just becoming what they oppose in a fit. this are evil zealots, armed, prepared with molotov cocktails, handcuffs, and they came to do what you said was righteous. they came hunting for u.s. lawmakers chanting "hang mike

pence." thank you, mr. president. everyone knows what happened and why. five are dead including a capitol police officer. but the re-trumplicans, you know what the problem is, this biden, he's no uniter. can you believe the unmitigated gall, now you want to talk about who is not a uniter at the worst time when we need you to finally do what is right, you are still going to do what is wrong! you just fomented an overrun of the capitol. have you know shame? for the safety of your own families, can't you just stop making it worse, stop playing this as another left/right squabble. you really may start a civil war. it is up to the rest of us to stop this now. how? how? let's brainstorm. we have the house majority whip democrat james clyburn.

thank you, sir. thank you for joining us during these dangerous days. >> well, thank you very much for having me, chris. thank you for your comments. i think they're right on. we are at an inflection point in the country, and i would hope that sane heads will prevail. you know, i have been around this stuff for a long, long time back in the '60s. we had these kinds of divisions in the country, but people got beyond parties. they came together, religious groups, other kind of civic groups, and political groups. i have been telling people recently that i'm blessed with three wonderful daughters, but if i ever had a son, his name would have been james everett in honor of j. everett dixon,

simply because back when we were trying to get the voting rights act and the civil rights act back in '64 and '65, i was so enamored with dixon until i said if i ever had a son i would name him after him. that's the kind of thing that we have to really think about this country. that's what happened when richard nixon went awry. it wasn't the democrats that sat down with nixon and said, it is time for you to go, it was the republicans that went to him. so i would hope that we would take the steps necessary today to really appeal to the right-thinking people in this country to come together as a country and continue our pursuit. i call it the great pursuit of

liberty, justice, for all. so that's what this thing is all about, and i would hope we would get some help from the other side to putting this country back on track. >> do you see any sign of that help? you're certainly not going to get it on impeachment. mcconnell already said he wouldn't put it up until after the inauguration. so you only have a couple of weeks left. do you have any signs of cooperation? >> well, there are some signs of cooperation. maybe not on the senate side, but, as you know, we don't have to start a trial at the time of impeachment. an impeachment is simply an indictment, and then you make decisions collectively as to when to bring this thing to trial. so i don't believe that you got to rush to a trial simply because you do the impeachment. so i would hope that we will

vote wednesday to impeach simply because i think it is necessary for us to say to anybody who would ever wish to be president again, this is not okay. when you do this, there is going to be a price to pay. i don't know anybody who relish going around being indicted, which this is what this is all about. >> i understand. i understand the rationale. to be honest, at first i was like, well, it is not going to resolve the way they want again, so why do it, but i understand the value. what do you say to senator rubio who says this makes clyburn the problem, we need to come together and you are doing this, what do you say to him? >> people said that john lewis was a problem when he was seeking justice. now we say john lewis was a saint. you have to do what is in the best interests of the country. you have to do what you know to

be right. you know, i used to run a state agency and i remember one time i was talking to a guy about having made a finding against him. he said to me, we know we're going to be wrong, and i think these people know they're wrong. the question is whether or not they admit that they are wrong. this was as clean of an election as ever been in my lifetime, and we know that this president-elect won by over 7 million votes. that to me in any other country would be a landslide. a lot of us on my side are trying to reach out. i just proposed legislation the other day to make lift every voice and sing a national hymn. >> right. >> that to me would be a unifying effort to our part. i would hope to get bipartisan support for that. >> great idea. >> it is time for us to sit down

and do the things necessary to bring us together, and that's something that would bring us together. >> one more quick question for you. how concerned are you on the security side? congressman cicilline and the ugly threats left as voicemails for him that people are coming to get him, they're more obvious, they're more ominous, the idea that maybe you had some within the ranks of the security forces that didn't behave right out of some type of affinity to the people who were coming, how worried are you about these two issues? >> i'm very worried about that, because i have been in this business a long time. i used to run the agency here in south carolina that dealt with those kinds of issues. when i left state government, for the last five years that i was in state government i had a full-time law enforcement agency assigned to me. they used to stay in my home when i was not here with my

family. so i know what this is all about, so i'm very concerned about it. but i also know that it is the atmosphere that's created, that determines whether or not these people are successful with their efforts. that's why we are trying to get people in washington to sit down and create a climate that allows us to solve our problems as a team, as a group of citizens, and not continue to try to make headlines the next day. i am interested in making headway, not headlines. >> congressman jim clyburn, god bless and thank you. >> thank you very much for having me. you know, we do have to change the definitions here. we have to change the metrics, the measurements for success. it is not about who wins, it is about what survives now, because trump did everything with this act because he couldn't get

anybody through his onsen wn se process, we don't have a head of homeland security. so who is keeping us safe as the fbi is ramping up for what may be new domestic blood shed? we will talk to phil mudd who is now on the show and michael about things being made better or worse. here's one that'll really take you back. it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ smer

look, left and right, be reasonable. we need all hands on deck. this is not just politics anymore. trumpers are running off the ship like rats. we just lost the homeland security chief. this comes at a time that the fbi issues one of its most dire nation security bulletins yet. trump insurrection across all 50 state capitals and washington, d.c. our safety is in the hands of people almost exclusively acting in acting capacities. who is going to keep us safe? what political and practical moves are necessary? phil mudd and michael smerconish join us now. good evening, general. phil. >> good evening. >> give us a sense of how you see the nature and degree of the threat. >> look, i look at this as a cancer. if you have a central node for cancer, you can attack it. you can attack those cells. the problem if you are in the

government right now is you have got an fbi warning that says there are potential threats in 50 states. you cannot, chris, you cannot coordinate security for 50 states simultaneously on one day. you have to assume that all of those local police and sheriffs are coordinated, maybe with national guard assistance, maybe with their state governments in support or not. you can't do that. the second thing i would say is to refer back to what you said about a bunch of acting people. in a real world you are going to have an operations center coordinated by the white house. that is the white house is sitting on live, secure video feeds with agencies like homeland security, like the fbi saying, what are we saying, minute by minute, who is doing what, and if there's a problem you've got the players at the table who can pull the triggers and also -- this is really important -- who have the experience to pull the triggers and say, this is what we're going to do in california and

new york. you can't do that many places at once, chris, and you don't have the people in place who are being coordinated by the white house simultaneously. >> how worried are you about this and how worried are you about the people that we saw leading people into the capitol? >> i'm worried as both an american and a practitioner. let me give you the easy part, the practitioner. that's just multiplication tables. assuming nothing goes south in 50 states simultaneously, that is you can assume that people don't show up with multiple ar-15s if there's a hostage event, that no security is breached like it was at the capitol, but, chris, that's a multiplication table. i would not assume that would happen in 50 states simultaneously. as an american, i will give you a different perspective. look, on 9/11 i was evacuated from the white house. it was them attacking us. that is people who didn't look like us. how do we harden cockpit doors

for people coming into the country? how did we look at visa processes to ensure we don't have dirty people coming into this country? how did we have no-fly lists? right now i can't do that. there's 80 million people on the president's twitter list. the people coming over the transom at the capitol are in idaho or california or florida, are me, they are us. i can't defend that, chris. they're not them, they're us. >> michael, the political fix. the democrats are going to make a move on impeachment. they say it has press au decede value. >> i had a telephone on sirius xm where we both enjoy a channel. i think anthony in san francisco said something i hadn't thought of. it should be the republicans pushing for impeachment because they will bear the burden. donald trump will dominate the

party through 2024 unless they take him out of the mix, and taking him out of the mix right now would mean that he's impeached in the house and convicted in the senate. i don't expect that to happen, but i thought it was a really good observation. there's this triumvirate that needs to be dislodged. it is the conservative media, the hold they have on the base, and then the ability to primary incumbents who are scared to death and kowtow to all that they want. i think that the big story today was cumulus, this owner of more than 400 talk radio stations across the country essentially saying to their conservative hosts, if you lie about the state of the election, if you continue the fiction that it is not over, we will fire you. i don't remember that kind of an edict in the last 20, 30 years. i think it was very necessary and very healthy. i don't want them to squelch opinion, but these are facts that we're talking about. that's what needs to happen.

>> blurry line though, michael. >> say it again, chris. >> blurry line, opinion and fact about what you think is right and wrong. >> but, you know, chris, i think i have a standard for that. it is the defamation standard. you know, high hyperbole is not actionable. you make an assertion of fact that is capable of being proven true and false, that's actionable. i think the same standard should apply here. if people want to go on and criticize the two of us or even phil mudd with hyperbole, that's one thing. but if they want to outright lie about positions or what is going on in the house, that's something else. i think it is a healthy step in the right direction. a final thought i will say is this. donald trump, to me -- and i blame him. i want to be clear about that. i blame him for lighting the fuse last wednesday, but it didn't begin with his speech and, frankly, it didn't begin with his election. it has been 30 years in the

making, largely stirred by individuals with a profit motive to keep you listening to radio shows, television programs and internet clicks. >> michael smerconish, thank you very much. i will give phil mudd his own last word out of my mouth. when trump was first starting during the campaign and he was playing with extremist groups and rhetoric that plays to them and they were coming out in favor, phil mudd told me, these are not people to play around with. if they find a way into the legitimate game we will regret it. now here we are. phil, thank you. smerc, thank you. >> thank you. you have all seen this startling image, the man making off with speaker pelosi lectern. look, a big smile. yay! not know more. not free for long, not smiling for long. tonight his legal team is here. what is the defense? what does this man mean? why did he do this? and we have loads of tips that are helping the fbi net dozens of these rioters and, boy, the

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would-be terrorists marauding in the name of trump, not done. the fbi issuing a startling warning. i don't know what we do about it to be honest. every single state capital is targeted for armed protests. can they pull that off? i don't know, but how do you deal with it? it doesn't matter who the governor is, red or blue, trump loyalist or foe. you see, this was never about whether there's a "d" or an "r" in front of a politician's name. this was as clear as the agony on this cop's face. mob crushed him in a door. this is way beyond politics. using the flag as a weapon in the blood thirsty berating of an officer on the steps. you want to know why re-trumplicans ran? they knew what they unleashed. multiple bombs not just ready but deployed.

napalm-like molotov cocktails, concocted and at hand. metal pipes, chemical irritants. these guys came with a plan and the tools to carry it out. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> [ bleep ]. >> so much for high ground, right? you still telling yourself this wasn't a coup. >> that's the two top officials in the line of succession being targeted by name. the criminal justice system is moving. you have 20 federal criminal defendants, about another 40 charged in d.c. superior court. one of the things that's a benefit of these people feeling so entitled is they put their names and photos everywhere, they gave interviews because they thought they were better than other thugs, terrorists and rioters. they were wrong. justice is blind. the guys seen chasing after a black police officer, the guy with his feet on pelosi's desk, the guy who walked off with her

lectern, none of them smiling in their mug shots. as for adam johnson here, his lawyers are going to join me in a bit. we will see how they explain why he was there and what he is about. plenty of officers also have some explaining to do. officers. as many as 17 capitol police under investigation for their behavior during the attack. we know the officer who decided to pose for selfies as well as one who popped on a maga hat. they've been suspended. is that enough? a badge is no shield for consequences from what we saw. >> cops are very cool. they're like, hey, guys, have a good night. some of them. it is crazy. it is weird. you can see that, some are on our side. >> each day that passes gives us more and more clarity. this is a big problem and it requires everybody to come together in the name of what is right. the more we learn, the more clear it becomes, we can't move

on. i know that people on the right want to play this like it is just the latest or that they're the victims and that the left is coming to get them, but it is past time for that. we need accountability and it is on you people not to complain as victims but to come out and say, you know what, this was wrong. what trump was doing was wrong, and we should have done more to stop him. that would be a first step. okay. now, look at this. this is what you have unleashed. these guys are not just people who, you know, came overwhelmed with their outrage. they came ready with handcuffs. those zip ties are handcuffs. who are they looking for? who did they want to cuff? the fbi is running down some 45,000 tips. time is not on their side. this wasn't a one-time event. every day we see another member of congress being threatened in an airport, all while they get voicemails that sound like this.

>> [ bleep ] this time you little [ bleep ]. you got [ bleep ] million people coming after you, you commie little [ bleep ]. you haven't seen anything yet. you haven't seen anything yet. >> if you impeach him, civil war is on, buddy. >> now, listen. i get calls like this. i have people say this stuff to me in person at a distance, but once you see what happened last week, talk doesn't just sound like talk anymore, does it? remember, we didn't get here overnight and we didn't get here because of trump alone and people have to stop saying that, especially on the right. trump is different now. no, you're different. you're different because you saw the effect of what you caused. retrumplicans spent years recognizing that anger. take notice, the same ones that now say we have to move on in the name of unity. seriously? the only thing unifying the

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tonight adam johnson, the man photographed taking house speaker -- the house speaker's lectern during the capitol riot is out on bond after appearing before a tampa federal judge. he faces three charges, one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, one count of theft of government property, and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on capitol grounds. he got out on bail, so i hope he's not part of one of these groups planning to do this again. his attorneys are david bigney and dan eckhardt. they join us now. gentlemen, thank you. >> chris, greatly appreciate you giving us the opportunity to speak about our client, adam

johnson. >> dan, you have a very prestigious pedigree. you were a federal prosecutor, a federal agent. everybody has a right to a defense. they don't have a right to you as counsel. why does this man deserve your level of defense? >> chris, that's a great question i get. i want to thank you for giving us the opportunity to talk about it a little bit. you know, mr. johnson has the right, as you know, you are an attorney as anybody else who is a member of this society, and that's one of the beautiful things about the united states. you have the right to counsel. you know, myself and mr. bigney feel we will represent our client to the fullest extent of the law. >> i know you will. but i'm saying why does he deserve your help in this situation? he has no right to your help. what do you know about him that makes you feel that there are redeeming characteristics to who he is and what he did, sir? >> well, i'll tell you one of the things, chris.

you know, to be honest with you, you know, you always can't judge a book by its cover so to speak. you have the photos and things on social media where they're demonizing mr. johnson, and it is really a mischaracterization. i mean he's a family man. you know, his wife is a physician. he has five children. there's nothing in his background or his past that would attribute any type of violence or, you know, this type of rebellious behavior to him. so it is an anomaly. it is an unusual situation for him. >> so he is not part of some extremist group? he wasn't part of an organized effort to get into the capitol? doug, you can take this. >> well, no, no. he certainly wasn't. he was there to witness a little bit of history, and that's the extent of it. he wasn't involved in any coup. he wasn't involved in any planning of any entering of the capitol. things got out of hand. you saw the pictures, but, no, he was not there for any

destruction, any treason. he was just there to witness history. >> all right. so now we turn to where being two-on-one does not become an advantage. the guy did it. he's obviously in there. he was in there with a pack of savages who were trying to find and target members of congress and do terrible things, did terrible things. he is smiling while he takes a lectern. what is any rationale for him not being guilty, dan? >> well, david. >> oh, sorry. i'm calling you a different name to protect you for the fact you are representing this guy in the first place. no, i'm kidding. >> i appreciate you looking out for me. >> why have any sympathy for this cat when he was part of one of the worst acts in modern american history? >> a couple of things. look, we have gotten to know him over the last week or so. he is not the guy being portrayed on the media. we are here to defend him. he's got his constitutional

rights and we're here to protect them. as far as him going in, you've got to realize that the capitol is in theory one of the most secure buildings in the country. there's cameras everywhere. >> uh-huh. >> that being said, i'm pretty certain that the government, that the u.s. attorney's office, that they have looked at the videos, they've had an opportunity to see every step that he took from the time that his -- for his entire involvement in this case. >> right. >> yet he is out today. he's at home. he's with his wife. he's with his five children. >> right. >> it is not because he is a threat to the country and it is not because he is a flight risk. so you've got to think that if he was that type of threat or if the government really thought that he was involved in some sort of coup, that he would probably still be incarcerated right now. >> that goes to my first question, david, which is why are you representing him? i think you are why he got bond,

because when you have really talented lawyers they can work the system. dan, the problem for you is the picture. the guy has the lectern. he went in there, he took it. nobody forced him to go in there and take it and he was with a group of people that were trying to perform a coup. you know, what is the upside for this guy? why does he deserve bond or anything else? >> well, the upside, chris, again, is different levels of culpability in a situation. i mean you had a mass crowd, hundreds, thousands of people, and so, you know, i have seen the same videos. i have been watching you on cnn. i mean i have seen these videos of these people fighting with law enforcement and they're destroying property and they're the tip of the spear. that's not our guy. you know, our guy is pro-law enforcement. i mean he is not that guy. so you're going to have different levels of all of these people that are being charged and indicted and our guy is not one of the violent, disruptive people that wants to, in your words, you know, overthrow the government. he's not that person.

that's why he deserves our reputation. >> david, he's not one of those people. he did exactly the same things. he broke in. >> no, he didn't do the exact things. >> into the u.s. capitol, he went where he wasn't supposed to be, he stole something that he knows isn't his and he loved it. >> well, there's a big difference between him and the people that actually broke into the u.s. capitol. i don't believe there's any evidence that he did any damage to anything, that he forced his way into a building. looking at your own website today, it is clear that there was no security prohibiting the entry of a lot of the people that went in. so he was not one of those people that was forcing anything. >> but he knew he wasn't supposed to go in, david. >> well, but that wasn't your question. your question was, started out with he had forced his way in and that's not what happened. >> david, he knew he wasn't supposed to go in. he knew he wasn't supposed to take that lectern. >> well, that being said, what

you have seen is a picture. you have seen a picture of one instance. >> did somebody force it into his hands, dan? did somebody tell him at gun point, you take this lectern or we're coming from your kids? what am i missing? >> you know, chris, i made the mistake during the initial questioning where somebody pointed out, hey, there's a photograph, appears to be a photograph of your guy purportedly in the capitol with the lectern, and i said i'm not a magician meaning we can't make it disappear. david will buy in, we can't run with. those are things we have to live with and we have to deal with. what we're trying to say is you have a picture of a man in the capitol with what appears to be a lectern. that's a far cry from the people you see fighting with law enforcement, that are assaulting law enforcement, that are, you know, again at the tip of the spear where there's thousands of people that are, you know, in this mob so to speak. >> here is my worry, and i'm slow to say this to you. david, i don't know your

background as well. i even got your name wrong, but i'll blame myself for that later. i have covid brain. i apologize to you, brother. it wasn't done in disrespect. here is why i wouldn't come at you because of your service, i'm not coming at you with your background but here is the concern. we are looking at more of this and looking at people feeling emboldened by what happened on wednesday, and this fool has been all over the place smiling as the picture of exactly who you want to be if you are a big trumper. i am worried that him getting off, getting bond sends the message that it is not that bad, you should try to do it, too. are you worried about that? >> well, we're not worried because, chris, this is the initial stage, as you know. we just got the bond today and we just got him out today. there's more to this story and you'll be one of the first to know as the case evolves. we have evidence to evaluate.

we have things we have to do, communicate to the u.s. attorney's office in d.c., also the middle district of florida. >> and also, as you were saying, he's not all over the place smiling. his picture of one instant is all over the place. so he's not putting himself out there with the big smiles. he's not doing any self-promotion. he's not sending out treasonous messages. you've got a picture of him. >> yeah, and just to -- i know we don't have much time, i do have to point out, i mean, the level of threats against him and his family have been unprecedented, and i do have to commend law enforcement. the fbi has been working throughout the weekend. i mine there i mean there's demonstrated threats against his wife who had nothing to do with this. as you know, we are in a fractured society right now. we have people that are obviously very hateful of our client and so they're making, you know, death threats against him and his family, which law enforcement is taking very seriously. >> he didn't help his cause by what he decided to become part

of. dan eckhardt, again, thank you for serving the country as a prosecutor and agent. david bigney, i'm sorry about your name. i had a lot of different pieces of paper in front of me. i'll tell you much. doctor money for representation like you. other wise, gentlemen, thank you for taking the time. approa appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >> listen, my concern is, one, that is how the game goes, right? you have good lawyers, you have him coming at you, you get that kind. we all know how it goes. what if it empowers people to do the same things. nine days. nine days we have. feels like it can be forever. what else is trump capable of?

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mary trump, the president's niece, has been saying for some time now that her uncle needs to be removed from power because he'll be unstable, unhinged, whatever word you want to use, and that's happening. many of trump's allies said nothing. it took people to die, to do what we just saw, to even admit that there's a problem. mary trump is also a psychologist and author of "too much and never enough." she joins us now. you take no solace in having been right, i know that, and you're also saying it's not over. now, he is going to the alamo in san antonio. we all know what the alamo is about. we know the virtue of the call for aid and being unheeded and fighting against huge odds. he's going to alamo, texas. alamo, texas is named after that

mission in san antonio, okay? so the symbol is there, okay? do you think that's why he's going there? >> undoubtedly. i'm sure somebody else told him to go there, because as you know as well as i do, donald knows absolutely nothing about american history, but i'm sure once he was told what the symbolism was, he thought it was a good idea, but i guess whoever informed him about the alamo didn't tell him how it ended. but he is there -- he is indeed going there to make a stand of one kind or another, and it's -- you know, as i've said and as you've said and as many other people have said, this is going to continue to get worse because donald will continue to stir

this up. i read the transcript of his january 6th speech, and it was incendiary, and it was also a prescription, if you will, to his followers. so donald has never been contained, he's never been stopped. you know, he's always been allowed to get away with whatever he's wanted to get away with. i think it's time, though, for us -- well, actually, for the republicans in congress who are literally the only people on this planet who can mitigate the horrors that are going on right now. >> i can't think of many things other than calling for more insurrections that he could do that is a more harrowing symbol than going to the alamo which is the last -- alamo, texas. i don't care that he's not going to the alamo. obviously alamo, texas is not a coincidence.

he shouldn't be going anywhere near anything called that right now, not out of disrespect to the alamo, but what it will mean to these crazy extremist groups who love to see themselves fighting to the death in the odds. how can people around him let him do this? >> because they think it benefits them to some degree. listen, if mike pence, who was literally being threatened -- >> hunted. >> yes, hunted and threatened with hanging at the hands of a mob donald incited, if he's not going to stand up and exercise his constitutional right to invoke the 25th amendment -- and by the way, why were they hunting him and threatening him? because on january 6th, he was exercising his constitutional duty to certify the election. >> right. >> and apparently because he was not going to tell the big lie

that donald has been peddling for the last two months, mike pence deserved to die. and yet he is still not putting a stop to this. and he could. >> his guys are apparently trying to tamp down the temperature. they should do the opposite. not being on twitter, being somewhat isolated, hearing some members of his party go against him, will any of that mean anything to him in terms of thinking about where he is and what he should say? >> no, and i take issue with the whole he's isolated because he's not on twitter. he has an entire press corps with cameras ready to go any time he wants to step in front of a camera, so that's absurd on the face. he just knows if he steps in front of reporters, he can't control the narrative completely. there's nothing anybody can say. he's not going to come to his senses because he doesn't have any, you know, so it's a question of other people

stepping in and blocking him and containing him, and republicans in congress are the only people who can do that, and yet, instead of doing that, what are they doing? they're putting it all on democrats and telling the democrats that they're the ones who need to call for unity and, i guess, just let bygones be bygones? >> i don't know. >> donald incited an armed insurrection against his own government in the process of which a capitol police officer was killed. what else did they need to see have happen? >> obviously more, because they're still playing the game. i appreciate your perspective. mary trump, be well. >> thank you. you, too, chris. i'm going to get to the big show with d. lemon. don, it wasn't congress but it was one kind of leader who took a stand today. the head of the football team -- the patriots. one named football coach -- >> bill belichick. >> getting the medal of freedom. the highes