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america. that's missing. >> it's an important historic day here in washington. you and i. i think a lot of our viewers will never forget what we saw on this day. there is much, much more ahead on the second impeachment of the president of the united states and erin burnett picks up our special coverage right now. ♪ good evening, i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight impeached. president trump now the only american president to be impeached twice. this extraordinary moment in our nation's history taking place one week to the day they arioters incited by the president stormed the u.s. capitol and tried to break into the house chamber, where today's vote took place. ten republicans joined democrats to vote yes on the articles of impeachment, which accused the president of quote incitement of
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insurrection. >> the ayes are 232. the nays are 197. the vugs adopted without objection. the motion to reconsider vote is on the table. >> we are all now watching history unfold. because this was the most bipartisan impeachment in american history. yet, a senior adviser tells cnn that the president is, quote, clueless, as to what any of this means internationally or historically. clueless, ten members of his own party took a brave stand to put their country before themselves. and let's be clear, there were threats to their lives, their family lives. and there are threats, now, to their political careers. >> there is no excuse for president trump's actions. the president took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. last week, there was a domestic threat at the door of the capitol and he did nothing to
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stop it. that is why with a heavy heart and clear resolve i will vote yes on these articles of impeachment. >> i rise today to stand against our enemy and declare that our enemy isn't the president or the president-elect. fear is our enemy. fear tells us what we want to hear. it incites anger and violence and fire. >> republican congressman tom rice of south carolina, among those who voted to impeach. he released a statement, it reads, in part. when the president will be beaten and the vice president of congress were being locked out, the president was watching and tweeted about the vice president's lack of courage. this utter failure is inexcusable. those republicans spoke the truth. they have stood up for what we know to be true and for the constitution that has carried this country for 250 years. they stood up to the president and they deserve our respect. because most of their colleagues
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did not. in fact, many used their time during today's debate to further spread lies and to fawn over trump. >> they impeached the president of the united states to say peacefully and patriot kale have your voices heard. >> the president has never been satisfied, not through false allegations or through an impeachment wholly without merit. >> democrats' impeachment of president trump today has now set the standard that they should be removed for their support of violence against the american people. >> the president didn't incite a riot. the president didn't need an insurrection. and there are no high crimes and misdemeanors requisite of an impeachment. >> so you hear all of them. i should remind you, adam kinzinger who voted for impeachment. to that last point he says, if this doesn't merit impeachment, then what does? kevin mccarthy pleaded with
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trump to denounce the riots, which trump refused to do. kevin mccarthy polled republicans on whether he should resign. he did all of those things, yet today he still voted against impeachment, despite, okay, get ready, saying this today. >> the president bears responsible for wednesday's attack on congress on mob rioters. they should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> okay. so, as to how the president could bear responsible for a mob attack on the capitol with the intent of undoing a free and fair election and not get mccarthy's vote for impeachment, that is explicable. as all of this is happening, now that he's been impeached twice. the president again releasing a video, he doesn't come out and speak as to anybody live anymore a. five-minute video. he also again takes no responsibility at all for the riots and he had this to say
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about anyone who supports him. >> no true supporter of mine could ever endorse political violence. no true supporter of mine could ever disrespect law enforcement or our great american flag. no true supporter of mine could ever threaten or harass their fellow americans. >> perhaps he thinks that people will hear that and believe him. he would have reason to believe that, we have seen people believe things he said that are complete lies. in case you need any reminding, his supporters that stormed the capitol were doing what he told them. those true supporters were merely echoing trump's own battle cries. >> the democrats are trying to steal the white house. you can not let that happen. >> they don't get the steal -- >> we are brigg our country back. >> we want our country back. >> this is our country. >> this is our house. this is our country. >> the president's impeachment
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comes at a perilous time for all of us. every state in united states and washington, d.c. are leading up to inauguration day one week from today. think about how much the world has changed in the past seven days and, of course, the pandemic. yesterday saw an all-time record more than 4,300 americans died of coronavirus. now the state of president trump lies in the hand of the senate. the majority leader mitch mcconnell is not shooting down the possibility of a conviction. kaitlan collins is outside near the white house. now the president comes out with this video which, of course, goes completely counter to his actions and his words over months and very specifically over the past seven days. why is he suddenly saying these things now? >> it is remarkable how long it took the president to get here to condemn the violence, saying he committed or not is not his true supporters. he says he doesn't condone those actions. one thing he mentions is he has been briefed by the secret
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service surrounding joe biden's inauguration, which is not just happening here in washington. we are told by federal authorities there is a wave of possible violence happening, potentially planned across the country. at state capitols all over the united states. so the president does cite that in this video. i am told he was briefed earlier monday by federal officials on what these were looking like. so we had heard the people wanted the president to be on the record condemning this violence in case there were further acts like what you saw happen last week, of course, at the u.s. capitol, that has changed washington. it's brought in the national guard and all of these authorities you see now just on the streets of d.c. ahead of this. but, erin, of course, the president saying he condemns violence. he doesn't talk about word he uttered to supporters before they went up to the capitol. of course, those have been played so many time. they are telling him to fight like hell for the country. he does not mention impeachment on the day he was impeached a
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second time and criticized by his own party, including kevin mccarthy, pretty close allies of his. we were told the president watched most of this coverage throughout the day. he had very few events on his private schedule. but the one thing he was robbed of to respond in real time on twitter. of course. he has been banned in some form or fashion on all of the media platforms. there have been efforts to get him on friend's sites. but it is remarkable now the president is coming out and saying this, of course, you got to think that part of that is to try to stave off republican support for his conviction when that senate trial does actually happen. >> all right. thank you very much, caitlin. it is amazing and frightening the disconnect. it truly is. that the president of the united states says the only way that joe biden wins is if it's rigged. he keeps saying it and saying it. and these people believe it and go do these things and there are people on capitol hill who do not connect those two things. that is not reality. and it is inexplicable.
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so let's go to manu raju on capitol hill. manu, obviously, what happens next is incredibly important for precedent, for what people in this country believe, for what people will do and for history. that is the senate trial. because that is what would convict the president even post-presidency. right? have that removal and make him a very specific moment in american history. so when does the trial happen? >> well, it's going to happen at the beginning of the biden presidency, because of a decision made by senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, he would be the minority leader come january 20th. but in order for a quick trial to happen, he would have to reach an agreement with the current democratic leader chuck schumer to bring the president back before the return time of january 19th. mcconnell made clear he had no plans to do that. he says, it's not possible to have a trial that quickly and there are several steps to take place. there are three trials in u.s. history in the senate
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impeachment trials that have lasted no fewer than 21 days to reach a verdict. so he says this is simply not feasible. that means it will step on the first few weeks potentially of the biden administration, just as joe biden is trying to get his cabinet filled and as he is trying to move forward and the domestic agenda isn't going to be dominating here on capitol hill. notably, mitch mcconnell has not said how he will come down. he is opened to the process of convicting donald trump. if he goes to convict donald trump, expect a lot of republicans do just that. so there could be 67 votes in the occupation senate for preventing donald trump of ever holding office again. >> it's an important distinction for people to understand mcconnell's refusal to have a trial now is not the same thing as saying he will vote in trump's favor. so this will be, then, a trial that i think it will look different than the last one we saw for trump. but the house impeachment managers do need to map out a case of prosecution against trump.
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what will it look like? >> yeah, that's one thing they are still sorting out right now. i just had a chance to speak with several of the house impeachment managers after they met with nancy pelosi. they indicated to me those decisions are still being sorted out. one of the big questions you have to decide is whether to bring witnesses forward on the senate impeachment trial, including potentially the georgia secretary of state brad r raffensberger. that subverts the will of the voters in georgia. the campaign election official. i asked several impeachment managers, will you bring him forward as a witness? they would not say. they said, simply, we are in organizational meetings right now. we have to make those decisions in the weeks ahead. if they bring forward more witness, that only prolongs the trial, potentially. that could also impact biden's agenda. so these are the difficult questions we have to answer. of course, everybody witnessed what happened on capitol hill when that deadly riot came. the question is will they bring
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in more witnesses to explain what happened even though it happened before the senator's eyes. >> you would think they wouldn't. what they saw, experienced, would be what they needed. all right, manu, thank you very much. i want to go now to the democratic whip, james clyburn. much to ask you tonight. look, you can look at this as ten republicans moved to impeach the president. it is the most bipartisan impeachment in american history or you can look at it what occurred here was a unique moment in american history. an extraordinary moment in american history. you can expect a whole lot more with republicans. were you surprised more republicans did not vote to impeach the president? >> no listen, we live in a pretty divided world that is, and so i'm not surprised of that. i was hoping it would be maybe more than that. but you know, i understand what
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sound bytes can do to you politically. you seen how it is with the campaigns that can turn on sound bytes. and i just think that there was enough cover in terms of times and certain statutes to allow these people to really hold on and not vote for trump. so, i'm not surprised at that. >> let me ask you about the minority leader kevin mccarthy. i play a moment ago what he said on the floor, the president "is responsible for wednesday's attack. he didn't mince words and said the president should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. kevin mccarthy said all that he gave the sound byte. then he didn't vote to impeach, despite the logic of his own sound byte, that willing the vote he should have cast. why do you think that is? >> well, once again, the
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republican primaries are pretty dominated by some right-wing people. i think until trump is no longer eligible allowed to participate in the process, there will still be people fearful of him. that's why i think it's a very good chance that there will be a conviction in the senate. because i think that mitch mcconnell and a few others recognize that that's the quickest way to get him out of their hair so-to-speak. so these articles will go over there. there will be people who will conduct the trial. they don't have to do a good job, just put up the videos and bring in the people the recipients of these phone calls. i think there will be enough on the record and so, he could very well get a conviction. >> you know, look, you can play
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the president's word in the echo of those rioters on wednesday as i just did. but let me ask you about the timing here. because the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, of course, is not bringing the senate back early for trial. he's made that clear. so you suggested waiting 180 days in the senate. i know the house majority leader steny hoyer said it should be right away when they return to session. i have to make it clear, have you the power to do that. when you formally walk those articles of impeachment over to the senate, they have to begin a trial essentially the next day so where do you think it stand tonight, congressman, on when you will bring those articles to the senate? >> kwloep. that i don't know, that's the speaker's call. i made it chlori would love to see the people in this country get attended to. covid-19 is a big, big problem for us. i want to see joe biden able to
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come into office, hopefully, use his executive authority to get us on the road to some distance beyond this pandemic. and also i want to see him do what's necessary to get people comfortable in their circumstances again and so, an impeachment trial could very well interfere with that. so that's why i talked about one of the days. because we always give one of the ideas to evaluate a president's success. so i was being a bit facetious when i said that. but i do really feel that we ought to do what's necessary for this man not to ever run again. but we need to do what is necessary people's lives to get this stored as soon as possible. i wouldn't want to see an
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impeachment trial postponed for too long. >> congressman clyburn. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you, sir. >> thank you very much for having many e. >> now, david gergen, advice for president and former governor of ohio, also former u.s. governor john kasich. let me start with you. i want to ask you about republicans in a moment. first, you know, as we indicated, in a week, we will have a new president. we have an inauguration one precedented press. seven days ago, we were not talking about impeachment, insurrection was happening. eight days ago nobody would have in a million years thought about something like this happening. then here we are for the first time in history, a president impeached twice by the most bipartisan vote we've seen for impeachment. could you ever have imagined this? >> erin, that's -- is that a good question? i mean i go es the answer would be things are so crazy that there is nothing that surprises
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me anymore. you know, i thought a couple months ago, there were things that trump had done that would have, you know, kind of ended his career, would have turned people off and it didn't. and i just come to learn that whatever is out there that we never would have thought of are things that we are seeing today. you know, i watched some of this today and i have to tell you, i served in the congress for 18 years. i have been in public life for a long time. this was a necessary thing. i supported impeachment. i support removal. but it's a sad day. and the question in my mind, erin, is how -- what we saw are
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people that vote for them in a primary. that's what we saw. so david gergen, a senior trump advisor says the president does not grasp the magnitude of the damage being done to a standing in american history. to, try to conduct -- how significant is this moment for him? >> oh, i think it's extremely significant. it's a milestone. his fate in history was sealed today. from now on, donald trump in the history books will be the only president in our his impeached twice. he's going to be seen as the worst president in american history. he is going to be seen as the most dangerous president in
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american history. i do think there was good news today, though, for the country. this is a happy day in many ways because our checks and balances held. the constitution worked the way it's supposed to work. yeah, you point out a week ago, these assaults on the people's house in washington and just one week later, they're a ringmaster. the man that let that all happen has been on trial in the senate. he's been impeached and his life is before him. his creditors have cut off money. a lot of people told you, these various events. he will pull back on twitter. this man has been battered here. there is good reason why he's sort of you know goes walking around like he's been slaughtered. because he has been. it's because the checks and balances, one of the most important aspects of our democracy. >> it's amazing in all that of
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this, right, is so twitter took away his voice, not really. he is the president. he doesn't come out and speak live. he does all the things he did. nothing. in these videos. that's all he does. you can kind of see the walls around him. you mentioned the republicans, the pressure they're under. among the ten who voted obviously to impeach was the third ranking republican in the house liz cheney and now, of course, she is being slammed, jim jordan saying she should resign her leadership post. congressman ae dam kinzinger who voted to impeach says liz has more support than two days ago. she has gained immeasurable respect. since the discussion is opened, we may have to have a discussion about who in their party fomented this. a lot of questions off of that. first, let's start with this. what is happening inside the republican party right now? schism would seem to be the right word? >> well, it's really a civil war for the future of the party.
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and let me just talk, erin, for a second about what it was like for these congressmen. i give them like two cat quarries. those people who use conscience and some who use conscience may have voted against impeachment. i don't know how they can conclude that and those who play politics. and those people that voted for impeachment, obviously, and i know fred upton, he's one of the people that voted for impeachment. he doesn't play much conscience. he's a man of -- are we going to say, here's the thing that's important. i don't know if david would agree with this. it's not just that trump's tweets or personal behavior was bad and all his policies were good, his policies were fought go not good. think about this. he tried to kill obamacare with no alternative or plan to go forward people with pre-existing
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conditions would be at risk. look at what he's done with immigration. he used immigration. immigrants were used as scape goats to further his demagoguery. as a part of that, the party got behind reducing illegal immigration to miniscule amount. think of the name calling and charlottesville and how people didn't stand up and correct that. think about police and community reform, which he's ignored. i mean, the party is not going to be successful, erin, in my opinion if they think those policies were fine. the trade policies. they were nothing but but attacks on the american people. this has to change and they have to have idea. now, republicans are going to start to think that all they need to do is sit back and criticize biden. i will tell you. i'm from the school of republicans that say ideas are what you use to lead your country and if you don't have ideas and all you want to be is negative, why done you go somewhere else. because to me the party has to rehabilitate itself and it will
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start with younger republicans. i don't mean young, but younger republican who's realize we're lost. >> a quick final word, david. >> yeah, i'd like to point out -- but we have a couple new known people. they are growing the number two in that group. >> yes, it is very significant, obviously, adam kinzinger on that list. thank you, both, very much. i want to go to -- he is in wilmington, delaware, jeff, obviously, it's been just about three hours since the house impeached president trump the second time. so far silence from president-elect biden. that actually is quite telling tloimpblth tloimpblth. >> reporter: erin, we know president trump's point. he does believe that. he does not like what the idea of impeachment would mean for
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the opening days, perhaps weeks, of his presidency. so it is striking now more than three hours after that final vote was cast. we have not yet heard from mr. biden on this. i am told by aides, he will be having a statement at some point this evening. of course, we can imagine what it says. he is, again, not in favor of this president, but wants to focus on coronavirus, wants to focus on the xhid and urgently wants to focus on getting the top national security nominees confirmed. i am told his aides are working behind the scenes with senate democrats and house impeachment managers over the coming days. they'll be working on a way to keep this impreechlt trial tight and speedy as much as possible. of course, it's unclear tonight how possible that will be. >> so president-elect biden is going to washington, obviously, for his inauguration. he plans to take amtrak from delaware to washington. which he notoriously did as his
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children grew up. that's a part of the joe biden story. so it was important to him. but he is now not going to do it. why? >> reporter: well, they call him amtrak joe for a reason. he did travel from here to washington. he took that last train ride back from washington here on his final days as vice president. now, he's not going to be doing this, i am told because of this heightened security concern. his team had a briefing with top security officials. this is one of the things that came out of that. they are deeply concerned of what happened in washington. i am told it is much about union station in washington which is a few blocks from the u.s. capitol. we've seen the perimeter around there. that was one concern. so i am told he is going now to travel with his family next week on tuesday evening, likely in washington at the blair house, which, of course, is right across the white house on the eve of his inauguration. erin, one week from tonight, he is the sitting president and he wants already to have these things under way. but, of course, he's inheriting
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a trump impeachment. >> and that's the big question, of course, is how and when to do that, because now it's got to be done. all right, thank you very much. so i want to go to constitutional law professor harvard law school who had advised democrats on the up peo impeachment probe. here we are, you spent a career on studying the aspects of this part of marketplace life, impeachment. now here we are with history being made, including the most bipartisan history and only president to be impeached twice. can you ever imagine you'd see such a thing? >> not really. it's a sad day. it's good the system held. it's good that ten republicans joined the democrats, making this, as you said, the most bipartisan impoo e. in american history. but it is sad we have a president who fomented a riot
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seditous impeachment. i can't wait until this is over. >> the house sends over the articles and the senate the next business day they got to start a trial. there is a lot at stake on this. and i guess there is a legal part of this and a political part. first of all can they afford to not have him be convicted? i know mcconnell has opened the door to both. you need the 16 to 17 votes. can they afford to not have it end with conviction? and how much leeway does the house have on the timing here? >> well, it's entirely up to nancy pelosi in the house as to when they send the articles over. i'm not in favor of waiting any longer than necessary because president-elect biden has made it clear he can walk and chew gum at the same time, the old
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cliche, they can bifurcate things and spend part of the day on impeachment and rescuing the people from this disaster this president left behind and the impeachment trial won't last very long. the earlier one we had with president trump lasted a couple days. here, it was all in real time in public. there is really no question but that he should be removed from officer and more important, even if he's already out of office by the time the trial occurs, he need to be disqualified from holding office in the future. >> so let me ask you about that point. because i know you have to have a conviction in the senate first and then a second vote on a majority base not holding office in the future. but one must be a predicate of the other. >> right. >> so senate leader mcconnell says obviously he's not going to bring the senate back so this isn't going to happen until joe biden is president. i'm sorry. some legal experts, though, say, that ends the whole thing. you can not hold a trial once
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the person are you removing from office is no longer in office. you've just written an op-ed in the washington post about this. as you say president trump can be tried and convicted after leaving office. why? explain. >> well, basically, the constitution's texts makes it clear that as long as you are on officer when you commit an impeachment offense, the ability to convict you and prevent you from repeating your dangerous activities doesn't cease. fit were written otherwise, it would be crazy and the secretary of moore in 1876 thought he could gain the system by resigning his office minutes before the impeachment was returned. but then the senate by a vote of 37-29 held understandably, you can't get away with it that way. it's not like when someone says you're fired, so you can't fire
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me, i've already resigned. >> right. >> the fact is that the constitution was designed so that the most dangerous characters couldn't escape the important remedy of being taken out of public office in the future simply by resigning. that won't work. and, although there are some scholars, i really admire, in particular, judge michael -- who doesn't agree with me but says he thinks i got a powerful argument, i think the case is pretty clear and there is a lot of argument both historical and texttual for the view i have about this. >> so the question then is, will the president be prosecuted criminally in a court of law? he can do a lot to have mike pence pardon him. i understand there are a lot of things happening here. it would seem we were on a path that will not hold, experts say
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it will not, but the president will be criminally prosecuted, right? >> he can be criminally prosecuted by the fulton county da because the way he is trying to twist the arm of the secretary of state of georgia to steal the franchise from the people of georgia, he can be prosecuted regardless of who pardons whom. he can be certainly prosecuted by the attorney general who is working on his violations. he can be prosecuted by the manhattan da and i think the incoming justice department under merritt garland. he's going to have to investigate all of the crimes he's committed, including involvement in and fo. ing the insurrection, riot. a lot of deaths resulted from what he did. there is no end from the crimes he seems to be subject to prosecution for once he's out of office. >> thank you very much, professor. and next, senator josh
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hawley, one of the republicans who led the election challenge after the riot is tonight defending his actions after everything we know about the insurrection after five people died. how is he supporting the president live? plus, breaking news, cnn learning new details on the attack on the u.s. capitol. these new details suggest a much higher, a much more sophisticated level of planning. i will speak to onondre carson -- an dre carson, his vehicle contained several bonds. carson's response tonight. so you can quickly check the markets? yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board. excellent. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. have a great flight. thanks. we'll see ya. ah, they're getting so smart. choose the app that fits your investing style.
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♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ breaking news at this hour, house impeachment managers are mapping out their strategy for a possible trial. one witness is brad raffensberger. he would be there to talk act about the pressure on the phone to find the exact number of votes required to overturn joe biden's win in the state. this comes as republican senator josh hawley is defending his decision to challenge the election results on the day of the riot. fuelling the dangerous lies the election was not free and fair. that day hawley said this now. i don't know yeah the right word is. we have all seen this image. he raised his fist to pro trumpers outside the capitol shortly before it turned
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violent. he write, some wondered why i stuck with my objections following the violence at the capitol. the reason is simple, i will not bow a violent mob or criminals to drown out the legitimate concerns of my constituents. senator, what's your reaction when you hear that logic from senator hawley? >> erin, here we go again. senator hawley trying to defend the indefensible. first of all, he helped spout the same lies that donald trump gave us which is that donald trump had been cheated out of the election, even though senator hawley knows full well that every time that was looked at in a court of law, it was shot down. but instead of standing up and telling the truth, senator hawley if ed the lie itself and he is an accomplice to the attack on our democracy and there is going to be no whitewashing this. he can try to explain it away.
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but the country saw what he did in plain sight. >> so senate minority leader mitch mcconnell let his anythingt out there. that he can vote for impeachment. he won't. this is significant. he is letting the president twist in the wind on this. obviously, that is hugely significant. what he does is hugely significant. he can't alone. right? i know you have some republican senators who made it clear that vote to impeach. but you would need 17 of them to convict the president. do you think he'll get them? >> well, the straight answer is i just don't know for sure. what i do know is that, you know, of course, the more than last time when we only had one senator romney and the second thing i know is that i think that number of senators recognize that what the president did warrants impeachment and removal. whether or not they will vote to convict, i don't know. but the fact that senator mcconnell has remained silent on
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this issue is telling because it indicates that he recognizes that the facts warrant this action. again, other people can make their own, republicans may try to justify not voting for a conviction. but we'll see smr senatorsh let me ask you, have you had any conversations? i know if you all got to pass a blind ballot, it would be overwhelming, not unanimous, overwhelming. it's not the way it goes. it's not the way it should go. have you talked to any of them in private who have made it clear they think the right thing to do is to impeach? >> yes, i have. again, there is that distinction that you are making that i am, too, which is the difference between indicating that they think the right thing to do is to impeach, remove and whether or not that will actually happen and i think that, you know, as we learn more and more about
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what happened at the capitol and everything is in such plain sight, you have a president of the united states who not only you know called upon his followers to come to d.c. for this quote wild event but then even as his own vice president was under attack and in danger, says that these monsters were people he loved. i mean, if you take it altogether, the reality is that we all recognize what happened. this was insurrection against the united states, the attack on our democracy and anybody who doesn't recognize that that is not a gross violation of our constitution really needs to re-examine their oath of office. >> right. you certainly don't need to have read the constitution of the country to realize it would be a violation of your oath as the president of that country to lie about an election. and encourage such behavior. thank you, senator, i appreciate your time. next, more breaking news,
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investigators are telling us new evidence suggests there may be a great deal of planning that went into the riot at the capitol. we have new details. the violent extremists pose a threat to biden's inauguration as well. and two members of congress say they arioters were led on a reconnaissance mission before the attack. it's an incredible claim. could this have had an inside job element to it. ly, and beaut, with a lifetime warranty. go from old to new. from worn to wow. the beautiful bath you've always wanted, done right, installed by one expert technician, all in one day. we've been creating moments like these for 35 years,
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breaking news, cnn learns the investigators believe the
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attack on capitol hill wasn't a mob that spiraled out of control and was a higher level of planning that is unknown and the discussion about raising the terror level in the united states. they are bracing for armed millibars on capitol hill. we are outside breaking all of this reporting on what we are learning, a level of planning, prior organization. what are your sources tilling you, evan? >> one of the questions investigators are trying to figure out is whether the groups that were involved, again, there were desperate groups, what level of coordination there was. they can see from some of the evidence that investigators have gotten, they've seen indications that people left the trump rally at the ellipse in front of the white house where, by the way, they had to give up their backpack, they had to give up some of the items that they were taking. they left a little early so then they can go perhaps retrieve the items that they had, weapons that they had in order to attack
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the capitol and then, of course, they turned up with things like sledge hammers, with ropes, things that they can use for climbing. they had helmets. some had better sheeields and br sprays than the capitol police were able to deploy to calm the crowd, to try to push the crowd back. so that, too, investigators indicate that there is a high level of planning that occurred here and so the question is, who is involved? how much -- went in place. they are looking at that time travel record, communications. they're looking to see following the money. that's how you have counter terrorism, prosecutors and you have investigators who do public corruption because they know how to follow the money. >> we are learning national guard units are being told to prepare for improvised explosive devices, ieds, we associate with war zones in places like iraq and afghanistan. now they are saying they are
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worried about them here. what are you hearing about the intensity of these security concerns on inauguration day? >> it is definitely intensified and a part of the reason, you know, that law enforcement is concerned, is they believe some of these groups looked at what happened at the capitol and feel emboldened. they feel they can try to do something even bigger, programs. that's why the national guardmen who are here and women, there are some 20,000 of them. that's more than being deployed in places like iraq and afghanistan. that is one of the chief concerns is to prepare for a possibility of ieds, and ought weaponry. you see the promises that these folks are making, that they want to come to washington. they want to surround the capitol, there are all kind of warnings issued to law enforcement to be on the lookout not only here in washington but at state capitals around the country. >> thank you very much. i want to go to the former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security
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under president obama. you hear evan's reporting. let's start with the fact that there was possibly a lot more planning to this. does this surprise you? >> no i would be surprised if that was spontaneous. it was organized. those pictures of men going up a staircase as if they're in line formation. look, i think we have to accept that this is an organized domestic terrorist threat that the country is facing. this isn't a bunch of random people online who decide to jump on airplanes and wear crazy stuff. they are killers. they are a domestic terrorist, violent domestic terrorist group. they are north stars. their idea logical leader is the president of the united states. that does not mean all trump supporters are violent. it means a subset, a small group of men and some women will use violence to undermine the democratic process. that is terrorism. i think once we can get our head around that, then the threat
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becomes real. right, it's not just random even angry. and how we counter it means that we have to use counter terrorism tools, which is, you know, getting them off of these platforms. following the money as evan was saying. warning on ieds that everyone was saying. officials still do not know or they haven't -- we have no reporting to indicate they have any leads who left pipe bombs outside the republican and democratic lead quarters last week. so those were bombs, right? we don't know who left them. now they're worried about ides. how real of a threat given the lack of knowledge about the bombs already put out there. >> yeah, so it's good that you raise those and a lot of people i've talked to think those ieds were distraction and would have gone off and everyone would have
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left and left the capitol exposed. that's a theory and often happens with ieds, the inauguration is a high profile security event. many resources. not as many people. lots of troops there. no someway we know what to expect and republicans and unity and let's calm down, i think what they have to understand is with terrorist organizations, there is -- it doesn't go away. they -- as evan said, they view the capitol and what happened at the capitol as a success they got through so easily, so if you think just making nice makes it go away or these republicans who are saying that they're worried for their families, it doesn't get better. they keep ratcheting up. so we have to threareat this as threat it is and to minimize the harm that the president can do
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not just until the 20th but after to incite violence. >> julia, thank you very much. >> thank you. next, a man allegedly in possession of bombs and guns on the day of the capitol riot is accused of singling out andre carson. congressman carson responds next. itchy? scratchy? family not getting clean? get new charmin ultra strong. it just cleans better, so your family can use less. hello clean bottom! enjoy the go with charmin. why walgreens? with save a trip refills that let you pick up all your prescriptions all on the same day... we make filling your medicare prescriptions... ...go like clockwork. so you can get back to what you'd rather be doing! ♪
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breaking news, more than 30 thousand members calling for an investigation amid growing questions that the capitol hill rioters had inside help. these members say they saw quote suspicious behavior and access to visitors inside the capitol the day of the attack. they led rioters on a recognizance mission, impressive word to use. a member that signed this letter, congressman, let me start with this before taking office, your for indiana's depa of homeland security. why did these tours raise alarm bells for you? >> traditionally staffers will conduct tours as well as members
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of congress. i think because you have empathizers and sympathizers not only in law enforcement but halls of congress with many of these groups and to have these tours and the elements within these tours concerns me deeply as someone who has worked at n intelligence center and a police officer, as someone that serves on the intelligence committee, as the chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence, i'm deeply concerned because these very to folks were on this tour casing the capitol if you will to ultimately be harmed. >> i mean, it's an incredible thing to say. i know there is a lot we don't know but the other part of that, the flip side of that is unbelievable. that would mean there were people on the inside who were fully on board with the casing of the capitol for a violent act. could that be true here? >> it seems to be the case. i'm speaking to law enforcement
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officials now and just got off the phone with the mayor of indy and speaking to folks on the intel committee and trying to piece this together. aar erin, folks across the country are concerned. i got off the phone. people are concerned nationwide about our nation's capitol specifically the u.s. capitol being targeted by insurrectionists and aided and abetted by members of staff or members of congress. >> it's an incredible thing to say and when people talk about the significance of this m mov movement, you're talking about members of congress, it's extraordinary. we're getting details about specific threats against you. an alabama man, his truck was parked near the capitol illegally, guns, ammunition, 11 homemade bombs. you were name in a handwritten note according to the indictment
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and says one of two muslims in the house of representatives. there are actually three muslims in the house and you did not even find out about this, this car and this stuff and your name is in there until you actually read the indictment. law enforcement never told you. what was your reaction when you found out? >> deeply disappointed as someone who comes from the intel law enforcement community and sits on the intel committee. i spoke with the chairman adam schiff who is a dear friend of mine. he'll look into this. i receive death threats all the time same as ilhan and i'm usually notified by the fbi or better yet, local law enforcement but i'm disappointed with federal law enforcement. there was obviously a gap and unfortunate oversight which is why i'm excited about the inauguration where we can see new leadership. >> i appreciate your time, congress man. thank you very much. >> always an honor. thank you.
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>> really sobering to consider the implications of this and an investigation we're watching very closely. thanks very much to all of you for joining us. "ac 360" with anderson starts right now. good evening. seven days after choosing to be the first president to incite insurrection an oath he took to defend, the president has first to his name. the first and only president ever to be impeached twice. let's let that sad and shameful fact register for a minute. there are been just four impeachments in the history of this nation. donald john trump owns half of them and follow him to his grave. that is the face that future generations of school kids will see when they go online and serge the word impeachment. >> is are 232, the nays are 197. there is resolution is adopted without objection the motion to