tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 13, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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the implications of this and an investigation we're watching very closely. thanks very much to all of you for joining us. "ac 360" with anderson starts right now. good evening. seven days after choosing to be the first president to incite insurrection an oath he took to defend, the president has first to his name. the first and only president ever to be impeached twice. let's let that sad and shameful fact register for a minute. there are been just four impeachments in the history of this nation. donald john trump owns half of them and follow him to his grave. that is the face that future generations of school kids will see when they go online and serge the word impeachment. >> is are 232, the nays are 197. there is resolution is adopted without objection the motion to
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reconsider is laid upon the table. >> and with that, another shameful sone, he received the most votes to impeach in modern history, more than against bill clinton in 1998 and more than him 13 months ago, and in a sign of just how serious his actions have been, the vote took place with troops in full combat gear in the halls of congress because the fire this president has been playing with and stoking has not yet burned out. look at the images. this is the first time members of the armed forces had been at the capitol since the civil war. imagine that. the deployment is three times the size of the american presence in iraq, afghanistan and syria combined. there are more troops in the nation's capitol now than iraq, afghanistan and syria combined because one man was too small, too weak to admit he lost, too small, too weak to accept the results of a free and fair
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ele election. remarkably like running from a mob of people wanting to kill their colleagues, hanging the vice president and killed a police officer and injured and killed others, 197 men and women chose not to hold the president accountable today. i want to play video to remind viewers what these lawmakers in both parties were facing last week and important to take it in again because to hear many republican lawmakers today you would have thought this whole episode was another outrage from the week of the trump administration. i want to warn you, you're about to see the mob attacking police, throwing a chair at one officer and cheering when he's hit. those are the maga folks who love law and order says the president. this is what the president of the united states unleashed with his lies but some literally chanting the president sent us
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when told to leave. it's where 147 senators and house members abetted with their scenical and factually unfounded challenge to the election that had been certified by all 50 states. the president had his day in court, let's be clear, he had many days in court, dozens of courts over and over again in state after state. he had no proof. five people died in the insur insurrection, which the president was too busy watching on tv to stop even if he wanted to which he clearly did not. he was gleeful. he loved what was happening. he said he loved the attackers after watching their mayhem and violation of attack of dem democracy. a police officer was killed. others beat and tasered. people that wrapped themselves in the flag using a flag pole to beat one officer and others dressed in military gear with zip ties searched for lawmakers to take hostage or execute or as
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the crowd chanted sought to lynch. consider that as you listen to some of the republicans, some of their reasons today for not holding the president accountable. >> nearly half the country supports our current president. this takes their voice away. >> i'm not even sure what that means. this is new jersey republican jeff van drew, one of 147 that voted last week to reject the election results arguing about taking people's voices a way. this is rich but not this guy as rich as arguing for unity. >> it time to put aside partisan politicking and place people over power. i urge my colleagues to vote against this divisive impeachment and realize dividing america will not save this republic. >> that's madison voice of unity. he, too, voted to overturn the election. not his own victory first time
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elected, only joe biden's. apparently there was no fraud in his victory. he alsoed also addressed the ra january 26th. oh, and yes, election night, this is what this modern day gho ndi cried out. 147 who spewed lie after lie about election fraud in support of the president even after the attack. >> the criminals who stormed the capitol that day acted on their own vwill. >> absolutely. personal responsibility. not for the man that literally told proud boys to stand back and stand by and told insurrectionists to march and pretend he would be marching with them and if that's not enough, there is jim jordan who simply lies and in this case accusing democrats of being no better than the man that sent killers to the capitol.
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>> democrats can say quote, i just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country while there are up uprisings happening around the country but impeach the president of the united states for saying peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. >> seriously, that might be the most grotesque case ever on record. the attack that killed five people outside the doors where mr. jordan said that and could have killed many, many more and he's talking about overwhelmingly peaceful black lives matter protests from the summer. i'll say it again, this attack nearly killed some of the people standing next to him today whil. mitch mcconnell took steps to delay a senate trial until after the president leaves office and the new majority leader's problem. make of it what you will. >> like all of you, i was
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shocked and deeply saddened by the calamity at the capitol last week. i want to thank the hundreds of millions of incredible american citizens who have responded to this moment with calm, moderation and grace. we will get through this challenge just like we always do. >> praising people for calm moderation and grace. if only he knew what those words meant. let's bring in chief white house correspondent jim acosta, gloria borger and chief national c correspondent john king. the president's statement today obviously, it's in laughable contrast to what he actually said moments after watching the mayhem which he is now saying he's condemning. i want to play a clip from that and just let's play that. >> i know your pain. i know you're hurt. we had an election that was
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stolen from us. it was a landslide election, and everyone knows it especially the other side. we love you. you're very special. you've seen what happens. you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. but go home and go home in peace. >> i mean, why should anyone -- i mean, no one -- i guess the irritating thing about his statement tonight is then it just allows republicans to say oh, look, see he's changed his mind. he's, you know, he's really saying the right things and learned his lesson which is a joke. >> right. he is giving some republicans in the senate now no question about it, but anderson, we do know from talking to our sources that the president's advisors and lawyers have been telling him he has to clean up his language. he has to condemn violence. he faces a real threat of prosecution for inciting violence after he leaves office.
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he faces a real prospect of being sued by family members of the victims of that violence at the capitol. but beyond that, i mean, anderson, just to give you a little bit of a glimpse behind the scenes of the white house, when i walked into the press office this evening they wwere packing up boxing getting ready to go and when you talk to officials, they weren't sure if they would be able to put the president's video online because he's facing so many restrictions and dealing with so many restrictions from social media companies. that goes to show you how dysfunctional this white house is right now. anderson, the reason why the president has been banned on social media because he insights violence and that is the big lie in the video that he released tonight. he was saying my supporters would never believe in political violence inciting political violence and condoning political violence is one of the lines of this presidency from calling the press the enemy of the people to saying very fine people on both sides. calling immigrants who are part
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of a caravan they are part of an invasion. all of those episodes were followed by acts of violence and the president has been responsible for that throughout his presidency and so anderson, you know, this was an attempt to do cleanup on the part of the president. he knows full well by looking what is happening there is an army of people defending the capitol now. that is because of him. >> gloria, the first president to be impeached twice, biggest bipartisan vote for presidential impeachment. i was going to ask you where does his legacy stand tonight? i'm not sure he cares about his legacy but maybe his brand and potential to make money down the road but maybe both linked in the same. maybe the legacy and brand are the same and both tarnished to say the least. >> well -- >> yeah. >> they are both in tatters and i think that maybe you're right. i think the president probably cares whether he'll be able to make money or pay more than $300
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million in debt once he gets out of office but when you look back on the legacy, two main things people in history are going to know about donald trump, yes, he got 73 million votes the second time is covid, the inability to manage this pandemic and right now today more than 380,000 americans are dead and he's paid absolutely no attention to it for months and then the second thing is as you pointed out, he's been impeached twice because he lied about an election. he lied to his supporters and started violence. i mean, inspired violence and insurrection on the capitol and refused to admit that the lie was false. that joe biden was freely and fairly elected. so he will be known as a sore loser and somebody who could not help the country in a time of great need. >> yeah, it interesting. lindsey graham has a number of
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occasions now called the president of consequence. i mean, yeah, deadly consequences, dire consequences. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said a trial won't happen before inauguration day at which point he'll be minority leader. do you think part of that he wants to hand this over to chuck schumer? do you think mcconnell will vote to convict the president? >> let's take it in order. hand it over to chuck schumer. there is no question democrats say hitch mmitch mcconnell is p the buck here. joe biden will be inaugurated one week from today and will be president at this time next week. there will be legitimate criticism saying why don't you get started tomorrow with the origination moves and start the trial as quickly as you can. we know mitch mcconnell is very mad at the president. ten house republicans voted to impeach the president. republicans in the senate are
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less trump-y if you will. they are much more willing to break from this president and it will take 67 votes to convict. with the democrats running the trial, the two georgia senators will be sworn in by then so instead of needing 19 votes to get from 48 to 67, democrats need 17 votes. a steep climb but less steep climb. chuck schumer will have to run the trial but watch mitch mcconnell. when liz cheney said it was a vote of conscience, that was a sign. mitch mcconnell said he hasn't made up his mind. mitch mcconnell is counting. he wants to hold the president accountable. will he have the courage? we'll see soon enough. this is not good for the president of the quiteunited st >> john's math is right. it something worth repeating. super majority is needed to convict the president in the
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senate. 17 republicans would be needed to join them. >> right. so it's a long shot right now, but as john says, we have to watch mitch mcconnell, i think we also have to watch donald trump. we have to see what donald trump does over the next week. i mean, you never know from day to day. i mean, today he did another video where he seemed a little more conciliatory even though he said he was shocked by the violence, which i don't see how that could be since he inspired it but, who knows what he's going to do. who knows what his pardons are going to be coming up. there are things that donald trump can do over the next seven days that could add to the bill of indictment. we don't know. that can make some republicans say wait a minute, enough. we have to go on the record for history. >> yeah. >> against him. >> jim, is he actually doing the job of president? is there anything he's actually doing other than trying to save
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himself now? >> no, he's not. i mean, he's been giving i guess participation trophies if you want to call them in the form of medal of freedoms he's been handing out. the head coach of the patriots backed out one of them and said listen, i don't want one of these presidential medal of freedoms. did you ever think that would happen? own advisors know he's going down in the history books as a villain, as an out cast. i talked to one advisor today who said donald trump is going to be known as somebody who destroyed everything because of his lies and that when people tell their children about the importance of telling the truth and we've been wondering how do we explain to our kids what is happening now? one of the president's advisors said this is what you're going to tell your children. you don't want to lie all the time because you might end up like donald trump.
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>> thanks, everybody. reporting on the president trying to pardon himself and how quickly that might happen and the man that warned us unless removed from office, the president would do something again. lead impeachment manager congressman adam schiff. you were front and center for the impeachment more than a year ago. this time there were some republican votes. how much different did it feel? >> well, i think it was very different a year ago. today we stood in the same place in the house chamber that was almost over run by a mob incited from violence by the president. we moved with incredible lackty to address the danger that the president poses every day. he remains. that's much different than the lengthy investigation we did of the president's last abuses of power. but this felt very familiar in the sense of the president's character or lack of character has been known from day one. there is nothing surprising taking place.
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he is who he is as we pointed out during the trial and the odds that he would again try to cheat in the election, we said were 100% and that was all too tragically the case. so there is certainly a lot of familiarity about it but the magnitude of the harm to our country is just beyond comprehension. >> i was surprised by -- i guess not surprised by it but arguments we heard from republicans in the house who chose to side to not take responsibility, there was violence at some of the protests and what about that? this what about. there was not a full throated defense of the president by many people in the party. i embarrassed to actually really
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try to do that. >> well, that's true. you know, the president of course is the prime propagator of what about. we've seen that for four years now. so they're following his example. and 140 or more of those members even after this bloody insurrection were back on the floor three hours later pushing out the president's lies again. challenging the election again. and they realized that if they were to indict the president by impeaching him, they're really indicting themselves so clearly, you know, that group of 142 weren't going to be moved to honor their oaths but i would have liked to have seen more than ten of the rest recognize the severity of what this president did and the need, not only to remove him but to telegraph to any future occupant of that office that if a person does anything like this again, they will be impeached and
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removed from office. >> i don't believe that, you know, the 74 whatever million americans who voted for this president this time, you know, that all of the 74 million people approve of what occurred on the capitol. i just can't believe that. i think most americans implore violence and what they saw but how do you convince the tens of millions of people who do legitimately believe this election was stolen and there is good people who do believe that, a lot of them. how do we as a nation move forward without that -- those tens of millions of people at least coming to the understanding that yes, this was a fraud. the president has been lying. it's been a grift and a fraud and the election is legitimate.
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>> i think this is one of the most important and difficult questions for the country going forward and that is we get our information from very different places now and there is a whole information ecosystem where if you want to live in donald trump's fantasy land, you can. you can tune into fox prime time or oan or read breitbart or the daily collar and get nothing but his lies. one thing about an impeachment trial is you do get to reach people who are not watching the news all the time and it's an opportunity to reach those who minds are still open to persuasion and i think you're absolutely right, anderson, i don't believe for a minute the 70 some odd million that voted for trump condoned this violence. i think it's a small percentage of his supporters but nonetheless, a small percentage obviously can do great harm to the country, and we need the much greater multitude of his supporters to understand the
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facts of the election that joe biden not only won but won convincingly and they have been fed a lie and frankly, that they have been fed a lie not just by the president but by their own members of the house and senate and should hold them accountable. >> thank you. joining us former obama advisor van jones and stewart stevens. can you envision 17 joining to impeach trump? >> i'm at optimism for the republican party. i wrote a bleak book about the republican party a year ago and i was way over optimistic. >> it was a lie or it was all a lie was the title? >> "it was all a lie." i'd like to think this could happen. i think mitch mcconnell is trying to have it both weighing sending a signal to the donor class he is not radio active,
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that it's okay to support him and his pacts while not actually following through. if he really believed this was an impeachable offense he would move to impeach him. he wouldn't delay this. this is a game mcconnell is playing. i hope he gets called out on it and i hope republicans do what is the right thing. they said last time there isn't enough evidence to impeach him, they're hiding under their desk. is that not evidence now -- >> can you repeat that? it's -- there is something i haven't really heard much about and i saw you tweet about this. you think mitch mcconnell, if he -- he's signalled that he's very upset, that he's angry and that's what the reporting has been. you're saying if he really was those things, he could do that and move forward on that now and he could convince others to do it, as well. you think it's just a faint in order for him to be able to continue to raise money for his pacts and stuff from big donors,
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from companies? >> i think that the change here has been that important corporate entities out there have signalled that they will not support this. that they will not support those who are trying to disenfranchise huge numbers of black voters ait race and that scares him to death. the fact that two georgia republican senators lost, which is just extraordinary. so if you look at what josh his long-time aide that speaks for him, channels him, said on election night last week, he said watch the suburbs. that's where we've lost him. i think they understand that but they're trying to have it both ways. they got a supreme court justice confirmed in, what, eight days? >> yeah, they could do that if they wanted. >> to takeover the capitol and
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you can't do that? >> yeah. >> it just disingenuous. >> van, what do you make of that? >> well, a couple things. first of all, you know, i think that the congress had two unfortunate precedents available. one was setting the precedent that, you know, you can have a snap impeachment and go to the floor. we broke a lot of precedent today how impeachments are done. the more dangerous precedent is a precedent that a president like this could act this way and congress do nothing meaningful. and i think that donald trump has repeatedly put this country, you know, in the situation where we're dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. if we attack his base for supporting him, then we're calling him deplorable so we can't say anything. if we don't say anything, it gets worse and worse and worse. this is one of the last bridges the country had to cross and i applaud this congress and applaud the ten republicans who
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did the right thing. you can't let this stuff happen and then pretend it didn't happen. it has to be in the history books. half of the impeachments ever to happen in the history of the country happened to donald trump because that's how reckless he's been and so i think it's very important that, you know, history will always have to reflect not only his earlier shady behavior with regard to russia but his absolute blatant disregard setting up that riot to kill people on the capitol. >> josh hawley who contested results and gave, you know, a positive kind of fist solute to the mob before they attacked wrote an op ed in a missouri paper and says sadly much of the media and members of the washington establishment wanted to think those who raise
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concerns insighted violence by voicing the concern. that's false and the allegation itself is co-rrosive and dangerous. >> this is the same thing segregationists said. we're not really saying black people are inferior but there needs to be standards. josh hawley is a complete fraud. he knows that this was a legal election. he knows republicans who were elected in november were elected legally and this whole thing has been so absurd. how is the bottom of a ballot legal but the top with the presidential race is illegal? i mean, the only way to be consistent is if josh hawley said every republican who is elected should not be a acknowledged and have their seat taken unless there is an investigation and possibly a revote. but they're not doing that. josh hawley is trying to appeal to the non-college educated trump voters which he has nothing in common with and he knows it. >> yeah.
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attack he insiincited, listen tw some of the insurrectionists were communicating. >> on the other room on the other side of this door. there is a glass that if somebody -- if it's broken, you can drop down into a room underneath it. two doors in the other room. one in the rear and one to the right when you go in. so we should probably coordinate together if you're going to take this building. >> if we're going to take the building. this was live streaming on facebook and everything else we're learning adds the questions to the extent at which this was planned. evan perez joins us with the latest. what have investigators
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discovered in terms of how this insurrection came together? >> that is chilling video law enforcement is taking a look at. they are trying to authenticate it and to try to see what parts of it make sort of fit the puzzle that they're trying to put together. now, one of the things they are looking at is some of the evidence that's emerged. they've seen some evidence of people who were attending the trump rally outside the white house they had to go there and leave some of the backpacks and items they had because of the security and they seemed to leave a little early in order to retrieve some of those items. perhaps they went back to the cars. that's the theory law enforcement is pursuing. prosecutors believe this indicates there is a lot more planning than perhaps we first thought and that really raises some additional concerns. so you have prosecutors who do public corruption and counterterrorism who are now working with the fbi to try to
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get to the bottom of this. they don't know whether or not this is one big plan or whether there are multiple groups that were doing individual plans and it all sort of coalecoalesced. what is clear this wasn't just a protest that went out of control, that there was a great deal of planning. they're looking at travel records and communications and they're looking at -- trying to follow the money frankly to see who helped fund this because people showed up with ropes, with climbing gear. they showed up with helmets frankly better than what the capitol police had. they had sledgehammers. there is a lot of stuff here emerging as prosecutors and investigators try to unearth this evidence and it's frankly giving them a great deal of concern about how wide this was. >> yeah. evan appreciate it. evan perez, a lot to learn. joining us is deputy director andrew mccabe, the white power
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movement. andrew, you hear evan's reporting the attack on the capitol, they are looking at the levels of cord ordicoordination. do you have any conclusions based on what you've seen thus far, what you've learned thus far? >> the only conclusion you can draw right now anderson is that there is a lot of investigation left to do and there are a lot of really good leads to follow. i can tell you from my own experience of working a lot of post crisis events, post attack events, the first thing you do is try to put your hands on the people that committed it and that's what the fbi is doing but right after that you immediately get to trying to shed light on the entire expanse of the network so that is everyone that helped plan, train, fund, transport, anything, anyone who aided or abetted this conspiracy in any way, you want to know who
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those people are first so you can prevent another act from happening and second, to hold them accountable and they do that in exactly the ways evan was laying out. you look at money. you look at travel. you look at lodging. you look at who may have traveled with who else. those groups that booked tickets at the same time, things like that and the fbi is incredibly good at doing that. >> you study white power groups. it's so interesting to me this confluence of various, you know, people from different backgrounds, white power, white nationalists, qanon followers, you know, some people who claim to be religious conservatives. it's people from -- with different ideologies in some cases butc
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co-co-w co-coent under the trump flag. >> what is interesting about this ground swell we don't know the same amount about each of the different streams in the crowd. we have a theme like qanon that is recent and radicalized people incredibly quickly online and we have the story of garden variety trump base many of whom were there to simply support the president and take action in voicing their own belief that the election was stolen although that belief is erroneous, that's a free speech action and we have a much more problematic violent white power movement presence. that's important because there we have a long history of this movement's activity, the kinds of actions it has attempted over time, a record of both attempted and successful acts of violence against american institutions, american democracy itself and civilians including malsz ss
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casualty attacks, assassinations and also big political shows of force like the one we saw on january 6th. >> you know, it's interesting with white power groups, at charlottesville, it was blatant, there were nazi flags. i'm wondering if they learned lessons from charlottesville. they lost a lot of money. some of the groups ended up disbanding, right? >> absolutely. i think that's the right interpretation and, you know, both in charlottesville at the unite the right rally and on january 6th, we see a very deliberate kind of public costuming and public messaging. people on the 6th really didn't show up with their most offensive symbols and scariest uniforms. they showed up wearing garb and carrying flags they thought would be appealing to a broader part of the trump base. what that tells us alongside the presence of white power
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activists is that people are seeing that as an opportunity to recruit from a broader population of people for their own purposes. in other words, this isn't a movement that is in control by the president. this is a movement that is using this moment for its own ends. >> andrew, has the u.s. government been focused on right wing extremism? i mean, going back to the '90s, even earlier, the militia groups, there was the oklahoma city bombing. i feel like time and time again there have been warnings over the last years about the rise of white extremism but it seemed like under this administration, there, you know, the focus certainly in the last year or so, the talk was on antifa and black lives matter and i wonder on an organization level if that filtered down and there weren't resources devoted to tracking terror on the right.
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>> well, i mean, i certainly hope that that's not the case. right? so i can tell you that our law enforcement authorities have a long and successful history of tracking and infiltrating those groups we know the best like the kkk and the kind of standard run of the mill white power groups that have tobeen around for awhile. you're more challenged with qanon, which is a much more diverse less tightly organized kind of an ideology that anyone can embrace by looking around on the internet. the question is whether or not the rising threat that we've all seen and that even people to include the fbi director himself testified about publicly in congress this year, whether or not the analysts and the agents who are aware of the rise of the domestic terror threat and pushing those assessments forward, whether or not that's making its way to the president
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because as you know, anderson, we have a lot of reporting that the president just did not want to hear those things. there are also claims from dhs that people were given explicit orders not to write about and try to publish analysis and assessments on the domestic terror threat because it was not palpable to the president and allies. >> we're talking about a record of violence that is much longer even in the recent past not just the story of january 6th. this is the same movement that delivered, you know, gun attacks in el paso and in pittsburgh at the free of life synagogue and same movement that spurred dylann roof to act in charleston and same way we trace back not only to the oklahoma city bombing which is the largest domestic mass casualty event between pearl harbor and 9/11 but farther back than that.
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this is a movement that's been organizing since the early 1980s and in someways even before that with a very complex infrastructure comprised of social relationships and para military training facilities, methods for obtaining and training with military grade weapons and material and explosives expertise and a whole bunch of other skills that can now be passed on to these broader ground swells like qanon. the question here is about what kind of carryover there can be and how adapt we can be at mobilizing not only surveillance resources but all of our attention and public resources towards this problem. >> yeah and they've had a president over the last four years who have been giving them not only dog whistles but out wh right indications of support. fascinating your work. thank you so much. there is one especially notable new federal case announced in the wake of the
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trump is looking for a di distraction from the impeachment headlines. pardons may be the tool he uses and we have idea about when that may come. pamela brown joins us with the latest. what are you hearing about the president's mind set and how that may impact possible pardons? >> anderson, we've been speaking to white house advisors or sources close to the white house and we're told the president is largely alone today on this historic day of being the only president in u.s. history to be impeached twice and i'm told he's in self-pity mode. that there's a lot of anger in the white house, anger directed at one another. the president is upset. he feels like not enough people have come out to defend him but even some of the president's biggest defenders over the years, anderson, are privately not coming to the president's defense. they are saying the only person that got the president to this point with the second impeachment is the president himself. he is the one to blame to incite
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these riots. you can argue whether these are the same people that enabled him but even some of the gop congressmen that have been the president's defenders particularly with the last impeachment, mccarthy came out today and said that he takes responsibility for the riots so the president really is left to fend for himself at the white house and we saw that today with he put out the statement during the impeachment proceedings denouncing violence and put out that manufactured video which clearly contradicted how he really felt when riots were going on a week ago. he's alone in the residence stewing essentially over how his presidency is ending and trying, of course, to think of ways to district from the narrative he has and i'm told one way to do that is weld what little power he has left to issue pardons. to be fair, more pardons were going to come out in this last week before he leaves office but that is one way the president views as a way to one source said use the last remaining power to reintegrate high
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profile pardons that will garner attention. >> if you want to help the country, he could come forward and admit he's been lying because to leave tens of millions of americans believing his lies that this election was fraudulent is doing real harp to the -- harm to the country moving to r wforward. we want to talk to somebody with long experience chronically in the final days of a disgraced president. here is author and journalist carl bernstein. carl, two impeach ments for thi president. no president has ever been impeached twice. president likes to be, get all superlatives, he certainly has them now. is this more of a shamble than richard nixon? >> more of a disgrace. this president has created an insurrection that attacked, caused the people's house to be
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sacked by his followers. so we're talking about a totally different set of crimes than nixon's but on top of that, richard nixon at the last days of his presidency he was forced from office by republicans republicans had not enabled him. he committed crimes in secret. trump committed his crimes in public but in the end a group of republican leaders led by barry gold water marched down to the white house and nixon thought he'd be able to survive a trial in the senate and prevail and gold water and leadership of the house and senate, the republicans said no mr. president, we will convict you ourselves and that forced his resignation. >> unlike president trump, nixon did the calls to resign. the president, it's, you know, at least nixon had the descent
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si to take hip self-out of the equation. this president is still lying and perpetrating the big lie which caused all this, the lies about, you know, why he lost the election. >> absolutely and nixon gave up the lies he came to a place of great introspection. he had been drinking, talking to the pictures on the walls of the white house. yet he was not unhinged and out of control as is donald trump. but nonetheless, he sat down with kissenikissinger, and he s you're not an orthodox jew and i'm not an orthodox quaker, and
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let's pray. they got down on their knees, prayed for the country, prayed for peace. kissinger said it was the most wrenching moment of his life. but throughout that night, nixon came to this introspective place, where he recognized what he had done to the country. >> well, that ain't going to happen. >> his concern was for the country, despite his horrible, horrible crimes. >> introspection is not something this person does. >> exactly right. >> president trump called his speech last wednesday that incited the mob in the capitol totally appropriate. claiming everybody has looked at it, it's perfect to a "t." does, i mean, of course, it's exactly what he would say. because he's never wrong. >> just like the speech about ukraine was a perfect phone call. everything donald trump does in his own eyes is perfect. he's deluded. he's a delusional president, the
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most dangerous president in our history. and it's imperative that he be restrained in a constitutional straitjacket in the next few days. and i think the people around him have moved to do that, especially the military people. they're not willing to go along with orders that would seem to be calamitous, if they come about. but he's restrained. but he's the gravest danger to the national security of the united states that any president has ever been. you cannot say that about richard nixon. >> i just don't understand how the country, you know, moves forward with tens of millions of people believing, and i don't know the actual number, but, you know, millions of people believing that the election was stolen. >> this is the crime of his republican enablers. there was a vote today in which almost 200 republican members of the house refused to go along
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with an obviously impeachable offense, offenses, by the president of the united states. compare that to watergate, the articles of impeachment came out, with a bipartisan effort to impeach the president. and if the vote came about on the house floor, nixon was told by the same republicans who forced him to resign that he would get perhaps 50 votes against impeachment from republicans. not 200 like today. and that's the huge difference in the dynamic. because he -- this president, in his irrational, illegal, and seditious conduct has been enabled by his republican congressional cult and there's been no restraints placed on him
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by that cult. >> carl bernstein, i appreciate it. thank you. up next, president-elect biden weighs in. more details when we continue. sofi made it so easy to pay off my student loan debt. they were able to give me a personal loan so i could pay off all of my credit cards. i got my mortgage through sofi and the whole process was so easy. ♪ express yourself ♪ ♪ ♪ express yourself ♪ ♪
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senators. what is the president-elect saying? >> anderson, president-elect biden acknowledged that vote that the house took today to impeach president trump, but then he quickly turned his attention to that looming senate impeachment trial. which has the potential to really take over the early days of his administration. i want to read you a little bit of what biden had to say. he said this nation remains in the grip of a deadly virus and a reeling economy. i hope the senate leadership will find a way to deal with their constitutional responsibilities on impeachment and while also working on the other urgent business of the nation. that is a question that still needs to be answered by the senate parliamentarian. but he's asking them to walk and chew gum at the same time, as the senate impeachment trial is
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expected to unfold in the coming weeks. >> has he had conversations with mitch mcconnell, do we know? >> the president-elect spoke with mcconnell monday, talking about trying to split the senate time between the impeach trial and his legislative agenda. mcconnell has deferred to the senate parliamentarian. but biden certainly wants the senate to focus on confirming his nominees, they're placing a lot of emphasis on the national security nominees for his cabinet, and also passing some key items on his agenda, including a covid relief package. the president-elect is hoping the senators are be able to do that at the same time. the question is, whether the rules will allow that to happen. >> thanks so much. the news continues right now. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time."
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chris? >> we're living history once again, anderson. good to share it with you. i'm chris cuomo, and welcome to "prime time." today, we saw the most bipartisan impeachment in american history, a moment that almost ensures donald john trump will be forever known as the worst president in u.s. history. the only president impeached not once but twice. and no other president has had this many in his own party break ranks with him in an impeachment vote. ten of them. their names should be remembered, too. it's not just about shame. but the notice of standing up for your conscience. still, where are we now? we're all haunted by the same question. what happens next? we're going to get to trump's
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