makes it more difficult to secure on the level they typically would for a vice president. that's our sense of why she is going to be staying just across the street at the blair house. it's for people who aren't hyperfocused on washington, that's where foreign leaders come to stay when they visit. it is the president's guest house. harry truman lived there when renovations were happening at the white house. anderson, as i was walking out earlier i saw some of her staffers getting hotel carts, putting her stuff on it, taking it inside. so this appears to be her first night staying there. >> all right. kaitlan collins, appreciate it. thanks very much. news continues. over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> here we go. new normal. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." there is much discussion about what the inaugural yesterday meant. bottom line, you measure the importance of yesterday by what happens today, tomorrow, and over the next few weeks period. in other words, we only please

know what they show. for all of the politics we know the priority. it must be the pandemic. specifically getting people to control what they can in terms of cases and getting the president and the government to control what they must in terms of the vaccine. states all over the country are floundering. they're under resourced and under staffed. 100 million doses in a hundred days says biden. catchy. but that won't control the contagion. so what will be done and how can we track it. luckily, tonight we have a fair broker to let us know the truth about what made things hard in fighting this pandemic and what is needed to make things better. that broker america's doctor tony fauci president biden's new chief covid medical adviser. he was able to survive in trumpdom without becoming a patsy, without having to echo

lies to survive. we have him for the straight talk about what could not be said freely then. we go forward with three goals, transparency, responsibility, and accountability. those must be our guiding principles to get to a better place. together, you and i can make sure that the power of the people controls the people in power. we need to heal culturally but just as important have to get well physically. only when we can live our lives, fully function, work, school, home, then we can deal with everything else that ails us. and if the pandemic is handled with a sense of equity, urgency, accountability, a lot of other problems that we have will be addressed in that process. now, president biden's first full day in office comes a year to the day after the first covid case in america was identified. he sent a clear message. this rounding the corner bs

stops now. >> things are going to continue to get worse before they get better. the death toll will likely top 500,000 next month. cases will continue to mount. we didn't get into this mess overnight. it's going to take months for us to turn things around. but let me be equally clear. we will get through this. we will defeat this pandemic. help is on the way. >> he already gave you a more truthful assessment than you ever heard from the last president. in fact, the numbers aren't just going to get worse. they are worse. they're piling up all the time setting new records for deaths in cases every day or every other day. that is going to continue for a while. how much will you ka ir? we'll see. he is asking all of us to mask up the next 100 days and using the powers of the federal government to ramp up production of ppe and accelerate testing

and vaccinations. this is not new this idea. he didn't create it. he didn't think it up. it's been begged for by states and other interested parties for months. another key development, a new white house covid-19 response coordinator in town. okay? jeff zients. finally, there is someone who is supposed to know what's happening and why. he will be the person where the buck stops. remember everybody is saying to me yeah i don't know. i think it's the cdc. i don't know. governors. saying that to us. they don't know who is controlling what they get. now they will. he must be accessible daily. he must be straight. and i hope that president biden learns this lesson from the past. he's got to lead from the front. just as important as what the administration can do is what we must watch from others who are going to try to stop things from getting done. the re-trumplicans who remain, this collective stain in

congress. they're already trying to rewrite recent weeks, create distractions, and inaction. the test is simple. if you can't be straight about the past and say it was wrong to try to decertify this election then you can't be trusted going forward. now, an example from just tonight. nicole maliatakis, a new york representative. she was on cnn earlier. okay? she was among those who voted to overturn the election after the insurrection. witness what must not be tolerated. >> i think there are tens of millions of americans out there who had concerns and wanted to have hearings on this issue. i decided to vote along -- against the certification because i did believe in those two particular states, by the way states that violated their state constitutions.

it doesn't matter if it was one vote ten votes or 10,000 votes the american people deserve to know one vote that is fraudulent is one too many. >> you don't decertify an election because you're curious about things. and she knows it. it's all bs. and she knows it. there were no hearings in congress? go tell that to your senator buddy. he held one. ron johnson. it was a joke. nobody looked at the proof? courts absolutely looked at arguments and proof all across the country all kinds of judges all different jurisdictions, some appointed by trump. they dismissed the proof as uncompelling and insufficient dozens of times and again, she knows it. what's the fallback? per verse populism. people are worried. they've heard stories. i voted to decertify this election in certain states in their interests. wrong. you made them worried by lying like this and you did it to disrupt the democracy, period.

so no. your claim to want to work with biden is unacceptable until you own what you did. period. every one of them must be tested this way. you are making such a huge mistake if you just let things continue on and hope they'll be better. there is no reason to be better. if they're not burned by what they did that was worse. you and it's not going to happen in congress. there's not the will. it has to be us. it has to be. you have to cut them off if they lie, deny, or defy. you're not getting a full hearing here. i'll let you make your case and as soon as you go off the tracks of the truth, it's over. last week, the top re-trumplican in the house kevin mccarthy admitted that trump bore responsibility for the capitol insurrection.

he said it. but now this. >> i don't believe he provoked it if you listen to what he said at the rally. >> he says i don't think he provoked it if you listen to what he said. exactly what he said was provocative. and he knows it. so if mccarthy believes what he said, how does he explain so many who did horrible things saying they did it at trump's urging? look, he didn't mean what he said yesterday. he didn't want to move forward in some kind of interest of the people. he just lied about something that he knows is against the people's interests. he can't be trusted. and those people also said they weren't just acting on trump. they were acting on senator cruz's urging as well. not hearing anything from the republican caucus in the senate about him, right? imagine if you were a democrat. and then cruz comes to the inauguration yesterday, a day that was supposed to be about unity in this stupid mask.

he wore the same one on insurrection day when he voted to overturn the election on the basis of no proof but polls. come and take it is sewn on it. a revolution symbol. it carried the trump virus, these guys, and it is just as sickening to us as covid in terms of our democracy. this symbol that was waved around by domestic terrorists who came to the capitol on the 6th. that's what we want in our leaders? come and get it? to keep showing solidarity with the worst of us who tried to violently take down our democracy? don't allow it. demand it be called out. and watch the places that do the job for you. so while these re-trumplicans remain and you have to watch this, they may slow progress. okay? but they have little ability to stop it all together. so what do we do? well, here's the good news. because they don't control, others are free to be candid without worrying about people

like that coming down on them, for mentioning facts they wanted hidden. people who sound anew like fauci. >> i take no pleasure at all in being in a situation of contradicting the president. it was really something that you didn't feel that you could actually say something and there wouldn't be any repercussions about it. the idea that you can get up here and talk about what you please be, what the evidence -- what the science is -- and know that's it, let the science speak. it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> dr. fauci is here. good to see you, sir. >> good to be with you. >> good luck going forward. now, as you plan to do things better, what do you identify as the major obstacle to this point in terms of getting the country where it needed to be with testing, tracing, and the

vaccine? >> well, it's got to be unity, chris. the we've got to be all pulling together and put aside that just extraordinary, obstructive type of divisiveness that did not allow us as a country to work for the common good. this is an obvious, very serious situation. you know the numbers very well, chris. we don't need to go over them. they're devastating. the only way to get around it is to act in unity. everybody wear a mask. everybody adhere to the public health measures. get the vaccine out as expeditiously as possible. do everything we can to get the doses available and to get them into people's arms. set the goal, which i think is a reasonable goal, of 100 million doses or 100 million people being vaccinated in the first 100 days. just look at the things you can do. how can the federal government and the states work together? i mean, i was with the president today, and he said over and over

again that we were going to have science drive what we do. we'll be transparent. we'll be open and honest. we're not going to blame anybody. we'll make mistakes and when we do we'll own up to it. that's the kind of attitude that you really need if you want to pull together in a very difficult situation that we're in right now with this historic pandemic. >> what would happen before in terms of saying, look. we need to be saying this. we have to say how bad it is. we have to do better than this. the federal government has to put their arms around it. they have to own it. what would happen? >> well, obviously there would be conflict there. there would be people in the government telling you, don't say those kinds of things. you're not optimistic enough. don't look at the down side of things. none of us were trying, you know, to be pessimistic but we

had to test reality and face reality. there were a lot of good people during the trump group there. i mean people in the trenches. people on the coronavirus task force. >> who was the resistance. >> people trying their best. >> where was it coming from? the agency level or what? the white house? >> no, no, no, the agency was fine. it wasn't anyone -- there was not the leadership from above in the sense where the president would come and say, we're owning this. i mean, often i have said, chris, the only way you solve a problem is to own it. if you don't say i own the problem, and i'm going to try and fix it, it is not going to get fixed. it is not going to get fixed simultaneously. you have to go out and try to do something about fixing it. that was really one of the problems. a lot of people tried hard. one thing i feel badly about, there are a lot of people in there really trying hard to get

the right thing done but it was very tough when you didn't have the leadership from above. >> well, look. hopefully, you have a lot of people who want to get the right things done and you shouldn't have anybody who is fighting the facts because they want to hide from the reality for their own benefit. that is something that truly made us sick. so i look with skepticism at a hundred million in a hundred days. while catchy the experts as you know say we're pretty close to that and it's not enough anyway. too low a bar? joe biden said today, the president, too low a bar? he told the media, you guys said it wasn't possible when i said it. so what's the truth? >> you know, the truth is you set a goal and if you get higher than the goal that's going to be great. we're obviously going to try to get much better. we're going to try and get as much as we possibly can. if we do more than that, that's great but at least set a goal and say this is where we want to be. if we overshoot it and get more that's terrific. the idea at least you have a goal. you're pushing for something. it's not just vague and open

ended. that's the reason why i think it is a good thing to do that. if we do more than that, that's going to be great. i'm all for that. >> another thing that i don't buy comes out of our reporting. the first one is that people within the administration say they're starting from scratch with the vaccine. no they're not. you have an infrastructure out there that you are well aware of. it has to be improved. but. >> right. >> they shouldn't get any there's a lot going on are they going to scrap it or build on it and make it better? . >> no they're not going to scrap that. there's a lot of good thing when that happened with the development of the vaccine program. operation warp speed program, operation warp speed had a lot of successes. there were some missteps. a lot of successes there. we're going to be building on things not destroying and

putting aside and saying it is useless. we'll take the good parts and amplify them, make them better, and go for the goal and that is to get as many people vaccinated as you possibly can as expeditiously as you can. that is the goal. we're not going to trash anything. >> you're hearing this. i've lived it first hand. i tell you what. the pain of watching my wife and my sisters try to get our parents the vaccine is worse than when i had covid. i have to tell you. you're hearing those stories from everybody. you got to work the internet like you were an i.t. pro. you have to find open slots. you get the slot and there is a ton of paperwork and they don't tell you until the end whether you're eligible and then they say you have an appointment but don't come we don't have the vaccine. what do you say to people dealing with this mess? >> we got to do better and that's what we're saying and what the president and vice president said today in my meeting. >> how? what makes that better? >> you got to take a look at what the problem is and try to

do something to fix it. you just can't throw your hands up and say that's the way it is. if it is the way you're describing and i've heard the same thing, chris, you got to get into the trenches and find out what the problem is and fix it. you got to help the federal government help the states do as much as they can. go to the states. find out what the problem is. hear from them in the trenches. i think that was one thing that troubled me back just a little while ago is that we would be saying things sometimes in the situation room. i'd get on the phone at night and talk to my colleagues and they'd say we don't know what you're talking about because we're not getting this done. we've got to keep our ear to the ground, get in the trenches, find out what's wrong and do something to fix it. face up to when there is a problem. if there's a problem go after it. >> is the coordinator zients, saying his name right? >> right. yes. >> is that a key fix in terms of having somebody? >> yes. >> on the record i reached out

to you and a lot of other people i know in and around the government trying to find out points of contact for different states and localities who were saying they didn't know who to ask about when they were going to get what. will he be the fix that is needed? >> jeff is terrific. you know, jeff in the obama administration fixed a lot of things. he is very well respected and is a get it done guy. i think we'll be fine. i think we'll be fine with jeff. >> the cdc says people can schedule their second doses of covid-19 vaccine up to six weeks after their first doses if they are otherwise unable to get one in the recommended time frame. now, that goes to people freaking out that it's so hard to get the first shot that they won't be able to get the second shot in time and that will make the first shot useless. so they seem to be extending from three weeks to six weeks. you okay with that? >> you're taking a chance. the data from the clinical trials, chris, showed that in the moderna trial you should get the boost 28 days after the

prime. that's what i got. i got it exactly 28 days later. when you're dealing with pfizer it's 21. that's where the data show is the optimal effect. certainly it is conceivable that if you prolong it a bit it's not going to be a big deal, but we don't know that. because the data have not been looked at when you extend the time for the duration. but if you're in a fix and you have no other choice, when you think about that, it should not make that much of a difference. i think that may be what you're hearing. >> what about the variants, that as this thing starts to change the virus, the vaccine may not work. you may need something different. what is the science telling us? >> well, the science tells us right now when you look at these variants, and there are a number of them. there is one dominant in the uk. that's the one in several states here in the united states.

it's not dominant in the united states but it's here. then there is the south african one which is similar to one in brazil. the critical issue it looks like all of those make the transmissibility much more efficient. so it is more transmissible. it doesn't necessarily make the virus more dangerous but you got to be careful and don't get into a complacency there because if more people get infected, then more people are going to be hospitalized and ultimately more people are going to die. it may not be inherently more virulent but at the end of the day it's not a good thing. the thing we're looking at very carefully is what is the effect of those mutants on the ability of the immune response, the antibodies that are induced by the vaccine to protect you? it likely is going to have some effect but not enough to obviate the protection of the vaccine. having said that, the data now show that we're still in pretty good shape with regard to protection. you got to watch it carefully.

and if you need to move in the sense of maybe getting a vaccine that's more suited to the variant, then you go there. that's where we are right now. not a problem in the sense immediately being an issue with the protection but something you absolutely need to keep your eye on and be ready to respond to it. >> two other quick things. one, when could we see the johnson & johnson and astrazeneca in the mix? >> johnson & johnson is right around the corner, chris. >> what does that mean? >> the people from j & j -- right around the corner means probably a couple weeks away from getting the data looked at to have the fda evaluate whether we're in a situation where we could move ahead and start thinking about getting it out into the public. >> single shot? >> the last time we checked with j -- yeah. it's a single shot. it has some advantages. a single shot. it doesn't have as stringent cold chain requirements. it would be really good to get it in the mix for a number of

reasons. one, it is a single shot. two, it is yet again another source of vaccine that we'll need to relieve the pressure of the amount that we have available. >> what about astrazeneca? >> astrazeneca is not quite there yet. that's one being tested in multiple countries. it is a bit behind but not too far. >> february, 2022. if current pace holds 892,000 doses a day we would get to 75% of u.s. adults vaccinated by february, 2022. not good enough. how do we get better than that? >> no, no. we are going to get better than that because the way the plan to get people vaccinated that we can and should get 70% to 80% of the people vaccinated by the end of summer if we do it correctly. >> okay. so you're saying it could be radically sooner than that if the production ramps up the way we want. >> yes. absolutely. and, chris, that is exactly what president biden was talking about. namely, getting community

vaccine centers, getting pharmacies fully involved, using mobile units to get to inaccessible places. when you put out all the plugs on that, put the pedal to the floor, you can get it done. it's entirely feasible that if we really put a full court press on this we can get that number of people vaccinated by the end of the summer. >> why wasn't it being done that way anyway when the vaccine was everything that administration was hanging its hat on? it wasn't working on masks, testing, tracing, the defense production act. it was banking all on that they had gotten this. why didn't they plan for their own success? >> well, you know, in fairness to what went on before, the production is not one that you all of a sudden are going to have, you know, 600 million doses for 300 million people right away. it takes time to get those doses available to put into people. so you can't just have it all at once. you need to be fair in that

respect. >> last quick question. governors all over the country want to be able to source the vaccine themselves. we saw this with ppe. to be completely transparent, seeing how people can just go back and google it anyway, we had this conversation many times on and off camera when i was watching the state and frankly helping the state try to source ppe. then it was out of desperation. what do you say to governors, including my brother, who wants to source the vaccine himself, my understanding was that the federal government can get the most of this with the deepest pocket fastest. but given the desperation what do you say to governors like him who want to source it themselves? >> you can understand the frustration and the need to want to do that. that would really upset the plan and the flow that you're going to get through operation warp speed.

i can understand them wanting to do that, chris, but i wouldn't recommend it. >> all right. only thing i'll say is, dr. fauci, you tell them. what i will say to you and the audience is, thank you for being straight with us. thank you for being able to come on. you will always have this show as a platform, zients, any of you to give the people the information that they need to know so they understand the real expectations and limitations. thank you, doctor. i hope you get a second wind. >> thanks an awful lot, chris. thanks for having me. >> be strong and be safe. all right. good. so there you go. a lot of that we wouldn't have been able to say a few weeks -- i'm telling you right now not because tony fauci doesn't play straight but he would have to balance what he was going to say with what would be done to him. you know what i mean? yeah. we got to do better than february 2022. he wasn't going to say that. he would have been attacked. now you can get it straight and now we can hold them to account for what they say they're going to do and how and that is how we move forward. that's the pandemic.

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argued, negotiated right now, and the question becomes, could these delays, could these steps backward wind up helping us get forward faster? let's bring in van jones and dana bash. thank you very much. the first one of these, dana, is mcconnell stalling the senate power sharing negotiations because he wants a commitment from schumer to not kill the filibuster. the filibuster is the tool of the minority. it allows the minority to stop votes and buy time. the question is will schumer get rid of it and have a simple majority rule for once and always? what is the plus/minus? >> reporter: well, this is mitch mcconnell playing hardball as he is wont to do. there is a good reason for him to do this politically obviously because we heard throughout the primary season that democrats were listening to their voters. it doesn't really seem that typical for voters to be out there talking about the filibuster but people understand

the process very, very well and that the last democratic president, president obama couldn't get a lot of his agenda through because of is filibuster. they're saying they want to get rid of it. it is already gone for most judicial nominees and administration officials but not for major legislation. but chuck schumer the soon to be majority leader is saying, no. i'm not going to do that. you're not going to hold me hostage and this whole power sharing agreement which pretty much is done, the same as they have on the table now back in 2001, because you want to tell me what to do. that is not going to happen. >> why does schumer have to negotiate? what is mcconnell's leverage? >> that is exactly right. none. except one thing. and that is until that power sharing agreement is done and passes the senate, the republicans still are chairs of the committees.

>> that's how they mess with the appointments. >> right. >> thank you on that. now the other delay, van, is delaying the trial. why delay the trial? okay. mcconnell says let's delay it so that we can get other things done. why do you believe mcconnell wants to delay it? what is the plus/minus for justice? >> mcconnell doesn't really want to have to deal with this thing. he thinks if he can kick it further down the road maybe he can kick it off the table. right now -- >> can't. the senate has to do the trial. constitutionally they have to do the trial. >> they have to do the trial if pelosi sends it over. >> right. >> so the question is when does pelosi send it over? kick it down the road and kick it down the road maybe she never send it over. that's the prayer if you're mcconnell because he is between a rock and a hard place. he does not want to have his

members have to take a tough vote that could either have them seem to be on record supporting an insurrection and a riot or going against their most recent president. he doesn't want to deal with this thing. it's a sticky pickle, hot potato. he wants to kick it down the road. that could be good for democrats though because democrats i think now would be frankly much more focused in the immediate term on getting biden his team and getting some things done. you could find some weird, shared interest in a delay, not forever, but at least enough of a delay to get biden's team in place. you're watching now three dimensional, five dimensional chess happening in real time. >> the queen's gambit. loved it. i tell you what, though. i think time hurts trump. the longer it's delayed the more people will see they don't need him the same way. he doesn't cast the same shadow. may work against him. dana, the idea of not handing over the articles of impeachment, is that the worst

thing pelosi could do if she wants to stay speaker is not hand down the article? >> reporter: not if this is something that is agreed to by both the democrats and the republicans. if she says it is in the interest of the new administration and in the interest of the new administration focusing on what you were just talking to dr. fauci about, getting a handle on the pandemic, getting a handle on the economy, and getting his people in place in order to do that, i think she's on solid political ground and i'm sure she knows better than anybody where to put her feet when she is on thin ice. >> but she's got a lot of people different than the senate and house, she's got a lot of people that the idea of giving trump anything that even has a scent of a pass is going to play very badly. van, dana, thank you very much. i bet you guys didn't know how many games are played. right? they have to have a power sharing agreement. didn't you just decide how they

share power? a lot of games in there and you have to follow them. let's discuss it. we have a member of congress. does this member of congress, i bet you know who she is, believe the republicans want to work with biden on any level? and what does the famous aoc from new york believe about these two delay issues we were just talking about? fresh perspective from a new leader, next.

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seven democratic senators filed an ethics complaint against ted cruz and josh hawley. why? capitol riot. this is where the soaring rhetoric meets reality. how does president biden meet -- just as important, how do the democrats handle this new administration? key guest okay? representative alexandria ocasio cortez, congresswoman, new york. good to see you. happy new year. >> great to see you. thanks for having me. >> no inauguration for you.

you were up, where, in hunts point? >> yes. >> with workers fighting for minimum wage increase, mandatory minimum wage in the south bronx. why? do you hate joe biden? why were you there? >> no, no. you know, in new york city 60% of all of the produce in new york city and the region comes through the hunts point produce market. these workers that have been risking their lives every single day last year in the pandemic, who are loading the trucks, getting this produce, putting food on our tables, are struggling to feed their own kids. and they're asking for something very simple in a time when the grocery industry and the delivery industries are

experiencing record profits as we all stay home during covid. they're asking for a dollar raise. a $1 raise. from a corporation that enjoys plenty of public tax benefits and giveaways. it is frankly shocking and embarrassing that this -- there is even a question here in giving these folks a buck an hour in a raise. they deserve it. they deserve to have their issue amplified. and the the teamsters 202 team has been doing incredible work. they sounded the alarm and needed help yesterday. i am so thrilled for president biden and vice president harris. it is great to drop the elect now and just say they're our president and vice president. and, you know, i think the festivities were phenomenal. we had incredible poetry from amanda gorman. >> amanda gorman the first youth poet laureate. extraordinary metaphor for the promise of this country. you knew that people would ask why you weren't there. this was a good cause from your perspective of dealing with your

constituency. but this was supposed to be a show of force and unity and you weren't there. explain it. >> yeah, you know, think we also had very real security concerns as well. as you mentioned earlier. we still don't yet feel safe around other members of congress. >> how many are we? >> i think a very considerable amount. a lot of members do not feel -- >> do you really think colleagues of yours in congress may do you dirty? >> yeah, well, one just tried to bring a gun on the floor of the house today. i believe it was representative andy harris of maryland. he tried to bring in a gun on to the house floor for individuals who don't know guns are not allowed in the district of columbia and certainly the house floor is -- there are separate house rules that prohibit the bringing in of fire arms. these are rules that date back

to the civil war. these are individuals that are trying to sneak fire arms either illegally or in direct violation of house rules. why does a member of congress need to sneak a gun on to the house floor? >> you think they're bringing it in because they want to protect all of you from, you know, insurrectionists like we saw a couple weeks ago or do you think there really is a chance that you may be the enemy? >> well, here is what i'll say. the moment you bring a gun on to the house floor in violation of rules, you put everyone around you in danger. it is irresponsible. it is reckless. beyond that, it is a violation of rules. you are openly disobeying the rules that we have established as a community, which means that you cannot be trusted to be held accountable to what we've

decided as a community. and so i don't really care what they say their intentions are. i care what the impact of their actions are. the impact is to put all 435 members of congress in danger. he tried to hand off his gun to another member who didn't have a license and any responsible gun owner knows that you don't just hand off your gun to another individual. you have to clear it, etcetera. and that just goes to show, you know, it doesn't matter what your intention is. if you are irresponsible, if you are trying to break rules, you're trying to sneak a fire arm on to the floor of the house, i don't care if you accidentally set it off. i don't care if you intentionally set it off. i don't care if you don't set it off at all. you are endangering the rievs of members of congress. it is absolutely outrageous that we even have to have this conversation. >> you're going to keep having it because i think there are going to be very dramatic lines

drawn and you're going to have the other side to contend with but your own as well. i don't know if you could hear the last segment but as you well know you didn't need to hear it. there is consideration about when your speaker hands over the article of impeachment. what do you think about the idea of any delay let alone the possibility of a pass for donald trump coming from the democrats? >> well, i will say that i do not believe that the speaker has any intention of giving president trump a pass. and i say that with great confidence, because there is really no under stating and as we see with these investigations more facts are coming out every day. in fact, you know, just reasserting and revealing how much more dangerous than people initially believed this insurrection was. so i do not believe there is an intention to give a free pass. however, i would, you know, really advise my colleagues, particularly my republican colleagues who certainly

supported the underlying lie that led to this insurrection to really think about what they are doing in trying to protect donald trump because if there is one thing they should know it is that for all the amount they will try to protect him he will do little or nothing to protect them. >> it's never been loyalty. it's always been fealty. >> that's right. >> you hold the power in your hands now collectively. how much of a delay is okay? with you? >> well, i think that the moment we get to a point where we are delaying -- where we are almost -- where that delay is coming from us and where that delay is really starting to get in the way of justice, then we need to really start figuring out what in fact is going on. however, hey, if they want to

delay it let's bring up a vote to expel ted cruz and josh hawley from the senate. we've got time on our hands. we should be actually bringing justice to the members of congress and the members of the senate who also helped support this insurrection. let's not -- >> do you think they should be out? >> they absolutely -- if they don't resign they should be expelled. >> zero chance. nobody resigns. >> then we should hold a vote. i know we have an ethics inquiry coming up in the house. if an investigation bears out that representatives mo brooks or representatives for example, you know, other representatives that were there that day, were in fact collaborating with these insurrectionists that led to the deaths of five people, they have no place in the house of representatives either. >> what about just voting to decertify the election on the basis of polls or what they had

heard may have happened? >> well, you know, he think there should be consequences for attempting to overturn our elections. these investigations are bearing out. we will see to the full extent what we know, from the facts of it. but, you know, there are other consequences as well. the people often say and people often say the house is about relationships and when democrats have a majority, there is also the question of even if members don't get expelled do you really want to cosponsor legislation with a member who doesn't even believe in the veracity of their own election? because they were on the ballot along with joe biden and vice president harris. so if they don't even believe they should be seated members of congress why should we be cosponsoring legislation and why should they even really, you please be, be acting when they don't even believe in the veracity of their own seats? so there as a spectrum here of action. i think all of it should be considered.

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the feds keep working up through the ranks of the pro trump extremist groups that attacked the capitol. there are a lot of them. they are well armed, they are vicious, and now they are aggressive. that list includes a leader of the proud boys in florida, the fbi says joseph biggs wore an earpiece and a walkie-talkie to communicate with others. the question is, what impact arrests like these in the biden inauguration are having on those who stormed the capitol? we will be doing regular updates on this threat because it is not

over. cnn's donie o'sullivan is with me. you're the man for the job. thank you for doing it. this is a debrief. take the time and let me know what you're hearing, what the impact on these groups is and seems to be the path ahead. >> hey, chris, i think there are some qanon followers tonight who are realizing that they have been duped. they bought into the lie that trump didn't lose the election. they bought into the lie for years now he was somehow going to round up and arrest the so-called deep states and they bought into the lie that he was going to torch the inauguration of joe biden in some way last minute and those people right now are doing a lot of soul searching but i don't think we should find ourselves sort of false sense of security here that this is all going away. the same infrastructure online, the same facebook groups, many of them are all still in place, the same right wing media ecosystem, the echo chambers are still in place and the same emotion and feelings in the country. people want to believe that this election was stolen, is still in place and actually in the early hours, i was on air with you

before the inauguration, and the very early hours of inauguration day, i bumped into a trump supporter. he was streaming live on youtube. he was convinced that trump was about to declare martial law to stop the inauguration of joe biden, and i caught up with him yesterday afternoon after biden was sworn in and here's what he had to say. >> i was just kind of in shock, and i thought, i had to reevaluate everything, the way my life was going to be now, because it's so different than my expectations, and i literally was just kind of walking around like, what now? >> do you think maybe with joe biden being sworn in, you might be wrong about the whole election rigging thing? >> no, i think the election is a fraud. >> reporter: can he see he bought into one conspiracy theory but can't accept he's been duped by other conspiracy theories. i think one thing that's really important to point out at this moment, at this sort of inflection point is that not all

qanon believers are equal, right. there are the thugs who attacked the capitol a few weeks ago in the name of qanon but a lot of people i know from traveling around the country are soccer moms that believe in qanon, there's people who believe in parts of qanon they don't even realize they believe in qanon. and as these people might now come to realize they have been fool and duped, i think for viewers watching, many will certainly have some qanon believers in their family. it's time to listen to them. it's time to show some compassion. it's time to think about, you know, them as folks who are leaving a cult. if we don't they might go down even further, darker rabbit holes online. >> you can reach out to the duped but not the diabolical. when you're talking about the oathkeepers and the proud boys, you're talking about ugly groups that have become inserted into mainstream politics. >> absolutely. >> as you know and as i'm being told, that's not going to end any time soon. but this segment must.

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