former president barack obama among the many saluting aaron calling him an aassuming man and towering example. aaron said people could look at him and say quote, he was a great baseball player but an even greater human being. that's what he wanted people to think, and that they do. aaron died peacefully in his sleep at 86 years old. thanks for joining us. it time for anderson. the new president sounds a call to action but will it only be heard by one set of ears? john berman in for anderson. might have looked like an ordinary pen at a desk signing orders to boost food aid and minimum wage but hearing biden discuss the huge recovery bill, he was standing at the plate taking a henry aaron sized poke at the nation's economic problems. >> the bottom line is this,

we're in a national emergency. we need to act like we're in a national emergency. so we've got to move. with everything we've got. we've got to do it together. and we have the tools to fix it. we have the tools to get through this. we have the tools to get this virus under control, and our economy back on track. we have the tools to help people. so let's use the tools. all of them. use them now. folks, this is one of the cases where business, labor, wall street, main street, liberal, conservative, economists know we have to act now. >> and to a surprising extent, none legislative voices across the political spectrum agree on the act now part as for republican lawmakers and the do it together part, well, not so much. administration officials tell cnn the president's preferred route is bipartisan and that he

still hopes to bring ten republicans on board, however, a number have signalled opposition including moderates like susan collins so as a result, there is no agreement on that or even on a resolution on something as simple as how the senate will run day to day. and to that, you can add impeachment. >> the house managers will come to read the article of impeachment at 7:00 p.m. on monday, january 25th. members will then be sworn in the next day, tuesday, january 26th. after that, both the house managers and the defense will have a period of time to draft their legal briefs just as they did in previous trials. during that period, the senate will continue to do other business for the american people such as cabinet nominations, and the covid relief bill which will provide relief for millions of americans who are suffering

during this pandemic. then, once the briefs are drafted, presentation by the parties will commence the week of february the 8th. the january 6th insurrection at the capitol incited by donald j. trump was a day none of us will ever forget. >> keeping then honest, it is rather amazing that less than three weeks after a full scale insurrection targeting some of the very same members who gather there today, how quickly some lawmakers are trying to push it down the memory hole if it means shoving their past statements down it, too. as a reminder, here is house minority leader kevin mccarthy a week after the violence. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump.

except his share of responsibility quail the brewing unrest and ensure president elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> again, that was a week after the attack. now, here he is just yesterday inside the memory hole looking out. >> leader mcconnell said president -- former president trump and other important people provoked the folks to come to the capitol. do you believe former president trump provoked? >> i don't believe he provoked if you listen to what he said at the rally. >> listen to what he said. kevin mccarthy should listen to what kevin mccarthy said just a week and a half ago. he might learn something. or then again, maybe not. all of a sudden for him, it's all so hazy. yes, even now with national guard troops still at the capitol and new reporting thousands will stay at least through the end of the month

partly out of concern there could be more unrest during impeachment proceedings. yet, still, there is this urge to put it all in the past. it was minority leader mcconnell after all that delayed the trial inform after inauguration day and now has received his wish to wait until next month. and though there is no reporting we'll get to shortly on his private desire to see the ex president convicted, his public move seemed to drag things out. in the meantime, it's hardly a footnote, americans are dying by the thousands every day. they're losing jobs and going hungry. a lot to talk about starting with our new chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins. president biden never had a strong abtppetite to impeach th former president but doesn't want this trial to drag out longer than necessary. what's the reaction to this announcement from chuck schumer the trial will be delayed until february 8th?

>> i think a lot of what we are heard president biden say earlier could have had anfe efft on this. he was agreeing to delay the trial until next month and those arguments could have started as soon as next wednesday if the agreement was not struck between schumer and mcconnell. the white house has really tried to steer clear for this. they have been asked several times and we're told that president biden did not have an opinion on the timing but he did. he expressed that today and it's put them between a rock and a hard place because they moved forward with the trial next week and affects the confirmation of their nominees, maybe the passing of that coronavirus relief bill that president biden wants but the longer you delay it, the longer it's looming over his agenda and first time in office. >> so president biden has talked about the importance of not only getting his cabinet confirmed but agenda through the senate. that will continue for now? yes? >> yes. it will. that is kind of i think how this agreement got struck between the democrats and republicans because they said they are going

to meet on monday. that's likely when you'll see janet yellen the romney to run the treasury department get confirmed. there will be time for this to happen. republicans have something to tote saying we're giving the president and his legal team more time to get legal briefs ready and legal arguments ready for the trial. you're seeing both sides tote this agreement so we'll see how many of his nominees get confirmed next week. john, so far he's gotten two and that's critical to the agenda he's intent on pushing early on. we'll wait to see how many they get. that impeachment trial is only a little over two weeks away so not a ton of time. >> that two is a much lower number than other recent presidents. kaitlan collins, great to see you, thanks so much. joining us now, connecticut democratic congressman gjim hims who played a role in the impeachment last time. i want your reaction to the announcement of the beginning of the impeachment trial starting february 8th.

what do you think? >> i think it's the best play against a pretty tough hand here. right? i mean, nobody, nobody wants an impeachment at the start of a new administration where you're hoping to turnover a new leaf and hoping maybe you don't have to talk about the old president but the attack that was committed, you know, and the memories are still quite vivid in my mind, the attack committed at the urging of the president was so serious that we just can't as you said, we can't slide the whole thing down the memory hole. we need to make sure people are held accountable and the american people know exactly what happened and how the president, well, ex president contributed to that. >> so the new timeline does give the senate more time to confirm some of the president's nominees, but it might also give republican senators more time, those who are sitting on the fence to be swayed not to convict. is that a concern of yours? >> well, john, i'm in the camp of believing that there is very little probability that you're

going to get i guess, 16 republican senators to convict. i watched very closely the last impeachment and what you got one. i could imagine getting six. i could imagine maybe getting swit seven, will he be convicted? the senators are jurors. each and every one of the republican senators is contemplating the fact that it's a minority of their constituents but a minority of them are probably okay with what happened in the capitol. the republicans have created this frankenstein monster and by the way, you ran a clip of kevin mccarthy. you have to run the clip of kevin mccarthy looking into the camera saying this election was stolen. republican after republican after republican contributed to this fact that there are millions of americans out there who believe the election was stolen and believe it because donald trump and congressional republicans told them that.

they have this frankenstein monster raging in the village and they don't know what to do. i'm guessing most of them are not going to choose to put their bodies in front of that monster and take the risks associated politically speaking with doing the right thing. >> so the former president is off twitter. he's off facebook. and that absence is remarkable and notable. but what kind of oxygen does he still take up in washington and how formidable is his base? >> i'm gratified to see that hard core maga base and that runs from qanon to the whole cast of characters that you saw assault the capitol, it's in disarray and pointing fingers. they were promised there is a magical way joe biden would not become president and low and behold, reality happened and it hard for people who are living in an alternative universe with alternative facts to be, you know, have their nose rubbed in reality. i think there is disarray.

i think there is finger pointing. i know, i think, ex president trump has approval ratings that are about half of what the current president has. so, you know, this is a group of dead ente enders getting smalle. there are a lot of senators and members of congress that would love to do the right thing but know what sort of political massacre could occur if they do the right thing and stand up and speak the truth about what president trump did. >> congressman himes, stick around. i want to bring in john dean into this conversation and john, the claims from supporters of the former president that a senate trial is unconstitutional now that he's a private citizen. they stated as a fact but it's not a fact. what's the truth here? >> it's a debatable point but

not going to be resolved in favor of the people who claim there is no right to have this trial. in fact, 150 scholars both the right and left including federal society scholars weighed in and said there is clear precedent, to have this trial and the fact he's an impeachment offense at the end of the term depart and not be held responsible. >> it is simply not determinedu. there is some precedent to let this happen. nevertheless congressman, looking for a way out they don't have to judge the president's action. i'm told by some it's not constitutional. >> oh, sure, sure, look.

they don't need to be particularly compelling where we saw republican senators saying yeah, it was terrible behavior the phone call with ukraine but i'm not sure it meets my standard of impeachability or the figlies don't have to be particularly beautifully crafted where principal is not high on people's list of things they care about. it will be that and a lot of republicans will hide behind the fact that i don't think anybody wants to see this trial dragged out for weeks and weeks and weeks. it's likely to go in days. a lot of them will point to that and say it just a couple of days. don't forget by the last impeachment, they voted against witnesses and bringing evidence to the senate but they're going to say gee, the due process was not nearly enough for me to vote to convict. >> john, when you look at the

former president's defense team, you say you see some parallels to president nixon's team. how so? >> well, the parallel is he hired an attorney who has very little washington experience. my digging around in his background appears that mr. bowers sent a year in washington and that's it. he doesn't know the ways of washington and knows south carolina. he's playing on a different stage. this is what happened. he hired a boston attorney with no experience in washington, no real feel for the way the senate and houseworked and it cost nixon. i think it's one of the reasons he was forced to resign because they really didn't prepare a good case. that's a situation here. this two weeks to prepare is case is not long when he's been hired for a few days and he is a sole practitioner and doesn't have a big firm behind him.

i don't know the money and resources available. >> you were part of the group trapped on the house floor and i mentioned the plan to keep thousands of national guard troops in d.c. over concerns of more unrest during the impeachment trial. how concerned are you and your colleagues about your own safety? >> well, it was very gratifying to see the national guardsmen there for the inauguration that made a huge difference if we had a 15% of that presence on january 6th, what happened would never have happened. i'm glad until this chapter is in the history books in it's entirety, we have that degree of security. you know, it may not be a situation where the president is going to urge thousands of people to march down pennsylvania avenue but you don't know what a group of proud boys or whatever they call

themselves will decide to come to the capitol and raise hell. i'll be glad to see the back of this situation. you know, it just pains me beyond measure to see the capitol looking like our embassy in kabul. this is the people's house. so the sooner we can get back to making it open and accessible is going to make a lot of us very happy. >> congressman himes, john dean. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, john. next, exclusive insight into mitch mcconnell's motivation where the ex president is concerned as well as the pressure campaign being aimed at republican senators to convict and put a lid on the former president's political future and later a closer look at the extremist group, the oath keepers whose members came to the capitol ready for war.

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so as we mentioned at the top, the second senate impeachment trial in the space of a year will provide, there is reporting on the motives of a key player and the pressure being put on him. he is senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. cnn special correspondent jamie has the scoop. you have this new reporting that there is an under ground campaign going on to lobby senate republicans to convictim the former president. what can you tell us about this? >> john, let's make no mistake. there are still plenty of republicans who are scared of

donald trump. that said what we've learned is there is this, as you said, under ground campaign of dozens of influential republicans who are really lobbying, encouraging, calling members of the senate to say you must convict. and among those are former trump white house officials, former members of congress, current and former staffers, and also, a lot of big gop donors who have a lot of influence. will mitch mcconnell vote to convict? we haven't even started the trial yet and we know that it is a high bar but one member of congress, a republican said to me the following, the member said mitch said to me he wants trump gone. it is in his political interest to have him gone.

it is in the gop interest to have him gone. the question is do we get there? i think we have to remember that it would take 17 republicans plus all 50 democrats but in the last impeachment, there was only one senator mitt romney who convicted. will we get to 17? a lot of people think the chances are very slim. but maybe as congressman himes said a little while ago, maybe we get to five, six or seven. >> which in itself would be significant. there is some organization behind this move and you've obtained a nine-point memo. what does it say? >> what is very odd about this is it's sort of a grass roots campaign but these are all influential republicans and we obtain a nine-point memo that really goes after trump and lays

the case. it says the president consistently lied about the election, voter fraud and conspiracy theories. it goes on really to make the case that i think you'll see democrats put out for the trial. it says he urged supporters from across the nation to come to d.c. to disrupt proceedings and addressed the crowd, which is widely understood to include people who are planning to fight physically and demanded they quote fight like hell that he tweeted and made other statements against vice president pence. so there is -- we don't know how wide spread, widely disseminated it was but there is a real case being made, john. >> thank you. keep us posted on this. certainly adds more to the picture here. perspective from cnn political commentator and former mcconnell advisor scott jennings and political consultant and

writer stewart stevens, author of it was all a lie how the republican party became donald trump. scott, first of all, you know, what do you make of the impeachment trial timing that was agreed upon and what does it signal to you about minority leader mitch mcconnell and what he's doing in the next moves? >> he did want to stress today that, you know, an impeachment trial is going to take place and should include fairness to the person being accused, which is in this case donald trump. he fought for the head, looks like the timeline agreed to is what he asked for. for people in the republican conference he leads that want to go easier on trump or side with trump, this is something that would certainly apiece that crowd by giving the president a chance to make a case, prepare a case. on the other hand, though, he obviously didn't fight to stop the trial and we are going to have a trial and i think if the information is laid out and witnesses are called, it's going

to be a pretty damaging case against donald trump. the question is whether you can get to 17 republicans and i don't know. it seems like a long haul to me but i also think these senators have to ask themselves if this isn't impeachable, which is and can something like this come and go in the nation's capitol without punishment with the chief instigator. >> apologize, i said you're from alabama. mississippi. my apologies on that. on the timing, what do you think the delay is going to do? >> look, i think the delay is not going to be important. the critical thing here is mitch mcconnell going to vote for impeachment. mitch mcconnell said we have many reports he thinks donald trump committed impeachable offenses. republicans will follow mitch mcconnell if he votes for impeachment. i think it would be like walking around with a paper bag full of water. it not going to leak. if it goes, it will really go. i hope that mitch mcconnell

realizes he's a man with a sense of history but this is how he'll be defined. i mean, he had arguably the worst 24 hours of any minority leader in the history of the united states. last week he went to bed a majority leader and woke up minority leader and his office was invaded by his own party. he has to, i think, assert some sort of moral voice here. you can't exist in a democracy with the president who is over throwing advocating the over throwing of the democracy and he has that opportunity now. >> so scott, you obviously know him. what do you make of the argument here and will the campaign that jamie described, what impact do you think that will have? >> well, i mean, i think it will have some impact because as the leader of the conference, it's his job to absorb the information coming in from different stake holders in the party and do what's right for party and explain to the conference what he thinks is right for the party. at the same time you have this pressure campaign jamie was

talking about, you have all lotf glass roots republicans calling senators and pressuring them not to convict donald trump because they want to continue to follow him. i would point you to the things he's said on the floor. number one, the vote to uphold the electoral college was the most important vote he cast in 36 years. think eabout the things that hae come and gone. he's not someone that engages in hyperbole and thougheater. he incited the crowd and said the crowd was there to interfere with the congressional duties, he chooses words carefully. i think stewart is right and he's an institutionalist and believes in the senate and i think he was, you know, if i may be informal, royally pissed that a mob came down to come after the vice president and members of congress and ransack the capitol and try to interrupt the constitutional duties. he's clearly unhappy about it.

one final point. any political operative could reasonably conclude it would be insane for the republican party to continue to follow donald trump. the limits of his political influence are clear from the election, the ceiling for him is now much lower than it was because of jan 6january 6th andi think mcconnell thinks is this party viable in elections if we continue to go down the rabbit hole. >> yes or no, you think it possible he votes to convict? >> he said he's undecided and i wouldn't characterize, i'd be hesitant to characterize anything beyond that. i listen very carefully to what he says on the floor in his speeches because he never says things he doesn't mean and he said some fairly grave things on the floor. >> all right. aside from mitch mcconnell, stewart, do you think there are really swayble republicans at this point? do you think -- jamie's reporting is there are influence l republicans in the party pushing buttons but it's hard for me to know besides donald trump at this point who these

influential republicans are that could change minds in the senate. >> look, i think most influ we think soar republicans are donors right now. the corporate community that has supported republicans really has a role to play here and is exerting that control. a lot of what we're seeing is behind the scenes pressure from major corporations who have supported republicans, who are appalled that the idea that there was an attempt to over throw the government. it hard to run a good business when you're having a revolution. and they know this and know they went too far. plus, there is a whole aspect about this primary african american votes and had a year in which every corporation in america really most of them anyway looked at how they treat diversity and how do they turn around and support an effort like this which is an effort to disqualify black voters? so i think the most pressure

that can be brought is by these donors and i hope these corporate communities step up and do the responsible thing. >> stewart stevens, scott jennings, great to see both of you. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> thanks, john. so whatever happens in the senate, judgment is being passed on the ex president by forces he may fear more than near senators, namely his bankers, his customers, the marketplace. the story is written in page after page of financial disclosure form. our story is told by 360s randi kaye. >> being president has cost me a fortune. a tremendous fortune like you've never seen before. >> reporter: that may be true and his own mismanagement of the pandemic may be partly to blame. revenues dropped about 40% across the 47 companies listed on donald trump's final financial disclosure form. trump's golf courses and hotels were hit especially hard. just look at the numbers. at the trump international hotel in washington d.c., sales

dropped 63% compared to the year before. in 2019, sales at that hotel were more than $40 million. but they've since dropped to $15.1 million. >> this is the most coveted piece of real estate in washington d.c., the best location. >> reporter: coveted perhaps but keep in mind along with the sinking revenues, trump still has a $170 million loan on that property. and revenues at some of trump's golf courses are in a free fall. at his golf resort in scotland, revenue fell 62% last year to 9.8 million and here at trump national doral, revenues dried up after revenues of $77 million in 2019, revenues dropped to just over $44 million last year according to trump's final financial disclosure. and documents also show trump has mortgages on this property between 55 and $75 million.

those loans come due in 2023. trump's golf club in bedminster, new jersey saw revenue slashed by $3 million down to $14.7 million last year. on top of that, the pga cancelled the upcoming tournament there delivering another gut punch to the former president. at trump's ice skating rink in new york city, one of the areas hardist hit by the pandemic, revenues fell by nearly $5 million year over year. it wasn't all 3bad news for trump. sales at resort in palm beach florida the president calls home increased by about $3 million to $24.2 million. but still, trump's impeachment for inciting an insurrection sparked a mass exit. beyond the tournament, new york city is looking to end all business relationships with the trump organization and cancel contracts with the ice skating rinks and parks.

financial documents show signature bank which ran trump's checking account is severing ties, even deutsche bank, germany's biggest bank and trump's largest business lender decided to no longer do business with him. the trump organization still owes deutsche bank about $340 million. the trump organization tells us in a statement, there are places that due to government mandates we were not able to operate, which in some cases mean you lose the entire season. we're very proud of our team and how we have continued to navigate this devastating pandemic. we have never been stronger. randi kaye, cnn, florida. >> thanks to randi for that. ahead, hope for a third vaccine as states say they are not receiving adequate amounts and the cdc changes guidelines how long you have to wait to get the second dose. the details when we return. it's either the assurance of a 165-point certification process. or it isn't.

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january is the second deadliest month for coronavirus. so far more than 64,000 deaths recorded, more than 8300 in just the previous two days. under scoring the need to improve vaccine distribution. an interview dr. fauci said to find out what is wrong we have to go to the trenches, states frustrated saying they don't have enough to administer. in updated guidance, the cdc says the second dose of the two authorized vaccines can be administered up to six weeks after the first. some trends do appear to be changing somewhat. today the cdc said the amount of

doses administered this week is 22% more than last week. today was also the biggest one-day increase ever. also according to dr. fauci, we are perhaps weeks away from the fda evaluating a third vaccine. here to break this down for us, our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. great to see you again. let start with the good news. dr. fauci said today the johnson & johnson vaccine, data from it around the corner. scientists who helped develop the vaccine what did you learn and what are the advantages of the product? >> yeah, the data first of all is likely right around the corner and we know that, john, because remember the fda wants two months of safety data? that two-month mark is going to be next week, actually. so that's typically the time they -- we start to look at this data. couple of big advantages potentially of this vaccine. one is that it's a single dose vaccine. so you get 100 million doses. that's 100 million people as

opposed to 50 million with the two doses. it also can be stored at regular refrigerator temperatures and for a few months. so the people who develop this worked a lot on ebola and recognize the necessity especially in countries in west africa for example that may not have cold storage that they could store this in and normal refrigeration was important. here is another important thing, john, this trial has been going on in three countries. the united states, brazil and south africa. where that other variant is circulating. if this vaccine is effective against that variant, which is circulating there, that's going to give us insights as well in terms of the vaccines overall. >> that would be hugely promising and when we get the data back we'll have a sense of the effectiveness. moderna and pfizer over 90% effective. >> yeah, that's a very high bar. i mean, you remember, john, early days fda said they would have accepted 50% effectiveness to grant an emergency use authorization so in this 95% number came, that's huge.

nobody knows what the effectiveness will be but i can tell you looking at the phase two data, the amount of antibodies this vaccine produces is similar to what you see with the moderna and pfizer vaccine. so we'll have to see on the overall effectiveness. >> fingers kcrossed on that. "the new york times" is reporting that pfizer plans to count extra doses squeezed out of coronavirus vaccine viles towards the obligation to the u.s. market and will be shipping fewer viles. you remember they were getting more vaccine out of each vile than anticipated. that was seen early on now they are skimping a bit. what problems can this create is this. >> yeah, so the viles are supposed to have five doses in it. pharmacists realized they could typically get six doses out. so that was a bit of a surprise. sometimes that's part of the fill and finish process but getting an extra dose out. pfizer said those are no longer

considered five-dose viles but six-dose viles and will count that and charge for that. there is two problems. one is john, people like to spend money they don't have. they counted on many of these places they would get six doses out of the viles and started counting on that. they are not going to get that. they'll get the original number of doses just that six dose viles. let me show you this image, john. this is another issue. in order to get the sixth dose you need a low dead volume sir r -- syringe. there is no space between the hub of the needle and the needle itself. the right picture, you have a lot of empty space. the relevance of that, john, you need these low dead volume syringes to get the dead doses out of the vile. many places have them but not every place. so that's going to be a second problem. those places that don't have them, they're going to need to have them and jen psaki mentioned they may invoke the

defense production act to make more of those syringes we showed you. >> i now understand what she was talking about because you showed those pictures. >> yeah. >> the guidance from the cdc you can push your second dose of pfizer and moderna up to six weeks instead of three or four weeks and some quote exceptional situations you can do that, you can even mix and match both vaccines. what are we supposed to take away from this because initially, we were told no to this. >> right. i think what we take away in part is that this is a response to some concerns they have enough out first dose of moderna but not enough of the second dose and have pfizer. i think they are trying to plan ahead. this is coming from the cdc. again, this is not recommended but in exceptional circumstances, you could mix and match. take the first coast of moderna and have to wait four weeks to mix and match at all for the

second dose but that second dose could be pfizer if the first dose is moderna. they say up to 42 days before you take the second dose in exceptional circumstances, as well. john, the data is what it is. it's on the three weeks from moderna and pfizer and four weeks for moderna. when they say 95% effective, it's based on that. this other stuff should work mixing and matching but we don't know for sure. >> the context is interesting. it shows maybe they are expecting exceptional circumstances and maybe something we should be ready for. thank you very much. great to see you. just ahead, the fallout into the attack on the u.s. capitol. details on three suspects charged who federal prosecutors say they planned their attack in advance when "360" returns. now the movie critics are calling, "a towering piece of moviemaking"... is on demand. she needs new memories. and tom hanks is magnificent. johanna!

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breaking news we reported earlier, plans are being made to keep national guard troops in washington through the end of the month possibly longer. that's due partly to concerns about the up coming impeachment proceedings and political events attracting violent iolent fring elements. refocus the executive branch on domestic extremists including a threat assessment by an intelligence agency and role for the national security counsel in

better coordination among federal agencies. this week federal prosecutors filed the first significant conspiracy charge stemming from the attack on the capitol giving the public a glimpse of three people that are part of violent extremists groups that did more than just participate. more from sara sidner. >> reporter: they came to washington trained in warfare wearing combat gear. forming a line marching up the capitol steps and then used their training against the u.s. capitol. these three americans are some of the first to face the most severe charges in the attack on the capitol including con conspiracy, obstruction of an official proceeding and violent entry or disorderly conduct. all three are u.s. sveterans. 65-year-old tom suhomas served e navy and this is a marine inside the capitol building on january

6th. >> all the way in the capitol. >> we're in the [ bleep ] capitol. >> reporter: the person who popped up behind him is jessica marie watkins. she served in the army as jeremy david watkins. on january 6th, the former army veteran riled up her troops in person and on the social media site parler. she also started her own self-style militia in ohio. we wanted to know more about these americans now charged with attacking the democratic transfer of power they claim to support so we went to their towns. turns out, watkins runs a bar with her partner in the village of woodstock, ohio. i spoke with a neighbor that lives down the street from this bar that didn't want to be identified but this is the water hole for this town of 300 people and when you go in to get your beer, watkins would try to recruit you to her militia. most people didn't bite.

we know one person did because he was in d.c. with watkins and they were both arrested. that person was donovan crowell who lives down the street from watkins' bar. >> she's not a violent person. >> reporter: the two live upstairs where the fbi showed up last week. >> the shots woke us up and the yelling because they were on the microphone yells it's the fbi and to come >> it was crazy. >> the blasted out window remains broken. only he was home and he was questioned and released. watkins later turned herself in. >> what was her plan? >> she was supposed to help some vip members within the trump rally. >> there are people calling her a traitor. how would you describe her? is that fair? >> that is very much an unfair statement. she would never try to dismantle the constitution. >> so you don't see this as an

insurrection or sedition. >> it was illegal. take their lumps but -- >> including miss watkins? >> if she is found guilty of anything, then she will to have take the consequences. >> reporter: he also knows kroul and said he joined watt kindle's self-styled militia. >> what is he like? >> when drunk, the guy you want to shut up. when sober, the best man you can have. >> reporter: he came to the bar so you saw him both drunk and sober. >> that's how i got barometer. the militia was a good thing. >> reporter: crowell has been convicted of drunk driving. his mother told cnn by phone, a couple years ago her son said they would take over the government if they tried to take trump's presidency from him. his mother said she didn't think much of it until january 6th

happen. about 400 miles away from woodstock, ohio, in virginia, is where thomas caldwell lives. >> every single [ bleep ] in there is a traitor. every single one. >> reporter: that's coldwell at the capitol calling them traitors. he was a delegate to the clark county republican convention last year. in washington, d.c., authorities say, he was a co-couldn't spear or the with crowle and watkins. >> i do not believe the charges of conspiracy are at all fair. >> reporter: now it is unclear how caldwell knew crowl and watkins but federal prosecutors say that they were all in washington, d.c. and that watkins was communicating using the phone application to both communicate and plan the attack on the capitol. john? >> phenomenal work. when a report. thank you so much for hitting the ground for us. appreciate it. up next, we go back to a

small county in texas whose residents have overwhelmingly supported the former president. "360's" gary duckman is there to gauge what people think of president biden. you might be surprised. that when we continue.

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find out more, call aag for your free information kit i'm proud to be a part of aag. i trust 'em. i think you can too. call now! president biden's call for unity has already found some uneven political ground days into his new administration. so we wondered how it is playing deep inside places where the former president is as strong as ever. gary tuchman hit the ground to find out. >> reporter: this is roberts county in the texas panhandle. >> reporter: do you think he could be a good president, joe biden? >> everybody has capability of being good. we'll see. >> reporter: it's a very small county. roughly 850 people live here.

>> i just say good luck and do what's right. >> reporter: except for the frequent freight trains, roberts county is quiet but it is getting a high profile because in the last two presidential elections, robert county gave donald trump a higher percentage of the vote than any other county in america. donald trump got over 96% of the vote in this county. joe biden received a grand total of 17 votes. so we asked these most loyal of trump voters, what do you think joe biden needs to do to be a good president? >> he will have to get everyone together first. get the whole united states together again. and i don't know if he can do that. because he's got too many people behind him that is against getting the trump supporters together with the democrats. >> reporter: you voted for donald trump twice. do you think there's a possibility that you could ultimately believe joe biden is a good president? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: what would he have

to do to earn that from you? >> he will have to keep the people together and quit being so divisive. >> reporter: several other trump voters told us the same thing. they believe president biden needs to unite the country. be less divisive despite the obvious irony. >> reporter: do you think donald trump has been difl icive? >> in certain ways, sure. >> reporter: debby howard tones familiar will have hair care salon for almost a quarter century. >> reporter: if joe biden walked into your salon and said, debby, i would like an opinion from a trump voter. someone who voted for trump twice. what can i do to make you like me, to make you think i'm a good president what would you say first thing? >> that's really hard. i would just go blank right now. just try to unify this country. try to listen to both sides and meet in the middle. compromise with the republicans. >> reporter: certainly not every trump voter we met here is willing to give president biden a chance. randy massey works in the

heating and air conditioning business. >> reporter: is there any chance you could see him being good president? >> no. >> reporter: you've given up on him already. >> i haven't had faith in him for 47 years and i'm only 44 years old. >> reporter: buts are on hoping they'll be pleasantly surprised. >> there's potential there. yes. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, roberts county, texas. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris cuomo for prime time. i've got to be honest this week. i was worried even the day of the inauguration but we were able to inaugurate a new president in america without more bloodshed. that is a low bar. but it is where we are. what matters is where we go next. biden must do better and we will watch those efforts bust we also have to hold those who did their worst to account and that's. starts with trump. here's the