and our breaking news coverage continues of the article of impeachment. let's hand it off to anderson. >> thanks very much. good evening. tonight accountability and amnesia for the fourth time in history but the second in barely more than a year, house managers moments ago delivered an article of impeachment to the senate. the trial proceedings began briefly with the substance of it set for two weeks from now and if the last 19 days are anything to go by, half the sitting senators will pretend they don't remember the alleged offense by then. that is the direction soleme republicans are going. before we get to the contours of

the politics, here is a reminder of what january 6th looked like. >> we want pence! we want pence! >> as if anyone could forget the chants of hang mike pence or the beatings or five people that died in after all what was an insurrection incited by presidential lays and enabled by republican lawmakers that went along with it. not even those three weeks later, not even three weeks later the same lawmakers want you to forget that and they're acting like they have. there is no better example than kevin mccarthy, top republican in the house and his journey from disinfecting sunlight to disinforming gaslight. here he is a week after the insurrection. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate

action by president trump. except his share of responsibility. quail the unrest and ensure president elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> strong assessment but didn't take. here he is last thursday. >> leader mcconnell said that president -- former president trump and other important people who vote -- folks to come to the chapel to. do you believe president trump provoked. >> i don't believe he provoked if you listen to what he said at the rally. >> that makes in sense given the president's words and tone his lawyers called to quote trial by combat and the battle cry for american patriots to take down names and kicking ass end quote. leader mccarthy wasn't content to let the former president off the hook. it wasn't the president's fault he said, it's actually your

fault. >> i also think everybody across this country has some responsibility. think about four years ago after the president trump was sworn in. what happened the very next day? the title was resist with people walking in the streets, maxine waters saying confront people in the restaurants. >> for starters, it is dumb and abnoxious to bother people at the dinner table but to equate that to putting on tactical gear and storm the u.s. capitol in a siege that took five lives and could have 'killed more but saying everybody is responsible is no different than saying no one is. this gaslighting is maintaining national unity as collective amnesia about the worst national disunity in generations is somehow the healthy choice in a functioning democracy. >> now republicans are talking about unity, that was also a big theme of president biden's

inaugur inauguration address and seems to think unity is compromising specifically on policy. how do you see it? >> let me start with how about if we're unified against insurrection? how about if we're unified for accountability? unity starts with accountability. >> that, of course, is massachusetts democrat elizabeth warren and nobody would pretend she shares governing philosophy with say, marco rubio. when it comes to accountability, listen. >> this is not about politics. this is about accountability. someone needs to be held accountability what happened here and preventing this from happening in the future. this isn't about hurting people politically but getting to the truth. >> senator rubio saying what needs to be said at a moment like this unfortunately, that's not quite what you just heard. that's the senator in 2013 defending the benghazi invest

investigation. here is rubio now. >> the trial is stupid and counterproductive. we have a flaming fire in this country and it's taking a bunch of gasoline and pouring it on top of the fire. >> with that. let go to ryan nobles at the capitol on this historic night. what's the latest on the timetable for the trial? >> the clock is ticking. the impeachment managers brought the articles over tonight. tomorrow the senators will be sworn in and the presiding judge will take his position in looking over this trial and then begins the paperwork phase of this. roughly two weeks of time for president trump to get his legal affairs in order. there are two deadlines where the paperwork needs to be submitted in time for the trial itself to begin on february 9th. >> can you explain why the senate president protemp patrick lahey will be presiding instead of chief justice john roberts and what else the trial may look like in terms of witnesses and lawyers? >> it's a good question, anderson. under normal circumstances if president trump were still the

president, because he's no longer the president, that allows the senate some flexibility and so the chief justice decided he did not want to be part of it it would fall to vice president kamala harris. there was a conflict of interest with her serving given she's part of the election so it falls to patrick lahey. he's the most senior member of the democratic majority. in terms of how the trial itself will take place, the possibility of witnesses, those are all things on the table right now. republicans have said that they think that president trump should be afforded the opportunity to call witnesses. if he sees fit. but at the same time, they want this trial to wrap up as soon as possible and the more witnesses that are called, the longer it will take. >> and i understand there is now reporting about how the former president is preparing for the trial. >> yeah, that's right. he's trying to assemble a legal team, anderson and what jeff zeleny is learning it hasn't been an easy process. he's hired butch bowers, a lawyer from south carolina that's agreed to represent him. they've tried to reach out to

other lawyers in south carolina to do that job, as well. when they're finding when they reach out to law firms, they don't want to be part of this process. not only are they fearful of the perception attaching themselves to the former president, they might not get paid. that made the process difficult for president trump. lindsey graham who is of course, a close ally of president trump and also someone that has helped he him assemble his legal team. he spoke to president trump about the trial itself and even the former president wants to get this situation behind him. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. joining us is david who is one of the managers making their case before the senate. congressman, thanks for joining us. you hear push bag ck from republicans it's decisive and unwarranted and unconstitutional. what do you make of the arguments? >> the president of the quunite

states, the former president of the united states incited insurrection resulting the death of five people, dozens of others injured, serious damage to the capitol, all to prevent the peaceful transition of power and to remain in office. this was a direct assault on our democracy, and so he must be health accountable and of course, we're all unified in condemning domestic terrorism and making certain that anyone who engages in this kind of attack on the government of the united states is held fully accountable from the president down and, you know, i know there is argument about the fact that he's a former president but has always been a practice of the united states senate from very earliest that former officials are subject to impeachment in trial. it would be a very dangerous precedent to depart from 200 years of history because you don't want to invite a president or former -- or a federal official to just wait until the near end of their term and commit the most serious misconduct, an attack on

democracy and figure they can avoid responsibility because it's near the end of the term. a president is responsible from the first day in office to the last day in office for their conduct and we have a kons us t -- constitutional responsibility to hold this former president accountable. >> the idea it's unconstitutional, but that logic, any corrupt president could resign before being tried by the senate there by avoiding conviction and the accepseparat penalty of being ever to able hold office again. >> that's why they created the second penalty. if you allow people to resign before they can be impeached or convicted or tried, they could avoid what is a sanction or punishment and importantly, you think about someone that will attack the peaceful transition of power and try to hold on to power despite the will of the american people, that's going to happen at the end of their tem, not at the beginning.

it present as dangerous president. a president or vice president gets a constitutional freebie, you get one free thing, just do it near the end so it will be late in your term. that would be very, very dangerous for our democracy and our framers understood that which is why it the practice former officials are subject to impeachment. >> do you expect to present video footage of the trial and call witnesses and if so, do you know who they would be? >> i hope you don't hear any of the impeachment managers talking about trial strategy. we will present overwhelming evidence the former president of the united states incited a violent attack on the capitol, a bloody attack that involved efforts to hang the vice president, murder the speaker of the house, hunt down members of the congress but most importantly, stop the electoral college which is the peaceful transition of power from one president to the next and the president of the united states

incited that violence to stop that from happening so he could remain in office. we're going to present a very strong, very robust case and i think at the end of it, the 100 jurors that heard that evidence will come to one inescapable conc conclusion, the president of the united states committed high crimes and misdemeanors by inciting a violent insurrection against the government of the united states. he must be found guilty. >> half of those jurors are republicans, though. is it clear what is going on with congressional republicans? you have liz cheney and mitt romney and marco rubio on the other side and mitch mcconnell, i'm not sure where he is. i guess somewhere in between. it does seem like there is a real split in the gop these days. >> well, it's important to remember this is the most bipartisan impeachment in american history. you had the third ranking republican of the house saying the president summoned the mob and assembled the mob and lit

the flame and responsible for the violence and many republicans made similar comments. i hope we have 100 jurors and listen to the evidence and arguments and render a fair and impartial victim based on that and conclude there is overwhelming evidence this former president committed the high crime and misdemeanor of inciting an insurrection against the government of the united states. we have 100 jurors and will present our case and hope they will conclude we have proved our case and found the former president guilty of inciting an insurrection. >> appreciate your time. thank you very much. perspective from former ted cruz communications director amanda carpenter and top ocho bo -- om bobama advisor. american, your initial reaction to what the congressman said about not wanting to hold the former president responsible.

what do you make of where the former are you er republicans ? >> did the president incite a riot? that's a harder question than it appears on its face because i don't know how republicans in the senate vote to find the president guilty without admitting their own guilt because when you look at the things the president said, you know, there is something wrong with the election. we have to look into this. fight to save your country. h most of the republican party said those things. it was the default republican position up through the senate races in georgia to question the results. kelly loeffler closed her campaign fully supported by the republican establishment saying i'm going to object. so i do hope the democrats think about finding a way when making the case to those republican senators about how trump's

behavior was worse because he was president and how it was isolated to the events there day, what he did and how he refused to send help there by abetting insurrection because if this is was riling up the mob and getting things going, my goodness, the republican party did that for two years. >> david axelrod, what do you make of that? the idea of the managers who are making the case trying to focus as much as possible on that day and the response, the lack of response from the president during the attack? >> yeah, well, it was pretty clear from the articles of impeachment it would go beyond that. but you know, let me make a few points. for the same reason as amanda rightly said, so many of them echoed the president's charges, they are going to look for safe harbor here and they're doing it

because they're reading their constituents and trump still has strong support among many republican voters and they're worried about taking them on and so they're going to try to find safe harbor in this argument of unconstitutionality and they're going to try to sidestep the president's actions but really what they're trying to do is sidestep the wrath of their voters and for that reason, it's very unlikely that they're going to act. i mean, the notion as representative sicily said, the notion you would not act here because he's no longer in office complete ly omits the argument r escapes the argument of you can agai then ban him from office forever which seems appropriate for someone that incited an insurrection from the u.s. capitol while president but i don't think that will happen,

anderson. i think people will do what we've seen for the last four years and run for the hills. >> it seems like the easy argument that can be made is they think constitutionally you can't try a president after he leaves office and therefore they don't have to address anything else. >> right. absolutely. if they -- this whole effort to bring up the constitutional questions of whether the president is being treated unfairly because he is an ex president is clearly an attempt to dodge the main issues at hand. you can stand up and say we shouldn't be doing this because it unconstitutional therefore i never have to say i agree or disagree. that sort of point one. point two is they can -- you know, the longer they can drag things out and make the argument that the president is somehow being treated unfairly, the more they can poison the reaction to what happens here. i think generally speaking americans right now feel that the republicans insisted rightly, insisted rightly that trump give a fair trial.

well, that's what he's got. he's got a fair trial. now americans will expect their senators to stand up and give a fair verdict to look at the evidence and not prejudge this, which is what they're doing right now. >> i mean, it's so interesting because you have the sense that if this was a secret vote, i mean, it's pretty clear how a lot of these republican senators would vote. but for so many of them, i mean, this is a chance for the republican party to rid itself to distance itself from the former president and try to kind of, you know, reinvent itself if it wants to. it seems like that would be a pretty strong motivation if in fact there were enough republicans in the party who really did want to return to where the republican party once was. >> yeah, and i think what we have to acknowledge now is that the republican party doesn't want to move on from trump. there has been this, you know, idea that i hoped would be true

that once trump was proven to be a political loser, we could have that reset. but now republicans have lost the house, the senate, the presidency, donald trump -- they're not scared of the tweets. he's off twitter and yet, they're still clinging to him because what happened through that time is that the base became radicalized. they were all in on stop the steal and the people that would turn out in the primary elections are waving the trump flag, even in loss. a lost cause with their confederate flags and american flags and so, the republican senators know that and are immobile and paralyzed. >> we got to take a quick break. we'll have more conversation shortly. kaitlan collins spoke with the president on the subject of impeachment with president biden and she joins us with that and the ex president's lawyer who lied about voting fraud and wanted trial by combat.

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the president's latest thoughts on impeachment. kaitlan collins joins us now. what did president biden say? >> reporter: anderson, it's notable because these are the most extensive comments since he took office and i called him a few moments ago in the west wing. he told me the way he's viewing this is that president trump's

impeachment trial is invevitabl. he did manage the effect on carrying out the agaenda but sad if it didn't happen, the effect would be way worse. basically this trial did not happen given of course what president trump is accused of, what this article of impeachment is about and anderson, i think what is really notable, he doesn't think president trump is going to be convicted. he thinks in the end this will result in a second acquittal for him because he doesn't believe they will get 17 republican senators to vote to convict him. >> did he talk about the impact, potential impact on his legislative agenda or cabinet nominees? >> reporter: of course, a lot of democrats want to see president trump held accountable but the concern this is going to overshadow his early days in office, not just getting cabinet nomineesen co-i confirmed but t

could hurt that because the senate trial iss consuming. he believes the effect could be worse it is notable about the republicans and the belief that they are not going to convict president trump because of course, he has spent a lot of time in the senate and acknowledge the senate changed since he's there but said it has not changed that much. >> kaitlan collins, stay with us. we want to bring in david axelrod and david ggarrigan. are you surprised president biden supports a trial and would have a worse effect at the trial didn't happen? >> no, i mean, i think first of all, he was very honest in his comments to her. it is a dilemma for him he has to navigate. there is so much 3pressure to move forward particularly among d democrats but for the country to hold president trump accountable in someway for what he did. even if it turns out that the

senate doesn't convict him, to not walk away from that but comes at a cost to president biden who after all is focused like a laser on two things, which is getting this virus under control and getting the economy moving again and this is a delay and it stirs up the waters of partisanship at a time when he's trying to build support for his answers to those problems. so, you know, i think he -- everything he said seems to me like a very honest rendition of the situation as he faces it. >> david garrigan, what do you think of his comments? >> i'm just so impressed and pleased by the way he's con conducting himself. he's straightforward. he gets called in the hallway and makes news. you know, reminds me so much anderson, i've always admired him harry truman. the look he actually had but he would always speak his mind and didn't poll on leaders. i'm used to white houses where we spent a lot of time trying to

architect every word to have political impact. it refreshing to hear somebody that does what he thinks. >> caitlyn, has there been any indication that president biden might call some of the republicans in the senate weighing in on the trial with them? i guess that would put more political capital on the line than he might want to. >> it could but he seemed to be approaching it as a forgone conclusion. they don't believe republicans but that has to do with the fact he's out of office and biden acknowledged that to me in the halls of the west wing. he said he thinks if trump had six months left in his term, he was still in the white house where biden is occupying that spot this could have a different outcome and that's what we've heard from a lot of republican senators that they're viewing this differently given that he is now out of office of course this happened at the end of his term and i heard what david said to you about politicians still need to be held accountable in their time in office, but biden

was saying, you know, it would be a lot different if there were six months left on the clock but we're not there so this is the reality of what we're facing right now. >> david axelrod, do you buy that? i find that hard to believe. it easy for republicans in the senate to say if the president was still in office, you know, i'll secretly tell you i would be -- this might be different but i just don't believe you can do a former president. it seems like an excuse. >> well, there is no doubt about it. as i said earlier, that safe harbor for them. to your question to kaitlan collins, i would be stunned if joe biden picked up the phone and made calls to senators about impeachment. if he does, it going to be on getting behind his coronavirus package and some of his economic plans. he has, i think, very rightly said that this is a matter for the senate to decide and they need to work this through themselves and i think that's a very smart and appropriate

approach. >> david garrigan, you would agree there is no real benefit for the president to be doing that? >> no, he has to stay out of this. he's stayed mostly above the fray and working for it. the latest poll that came out in the last 24 hours or so has an approval rating at 63%. for biden, that's a terrific start. donald trump never broke 50. i think he's connecting. biden is connecting well. he has huge problems coming up just around the corner and there is going to be a lot of very tough decisions to make. at the moment, he's setting the right tone for the country. >> kaitlan collins, what's it like compared to the last one just terms of functioning? >> it's a lot different and i'm a white house reporter i didn't know any other white house except the trump white house. that's the first one i started covering on day one donald trump was sworn in. all of the chaos and, you know, the late night tweets and last

minute firings seemed not normal to me but the day to day what you dgrew accustomed to expect. the first few days have been different and when i talked to other white house reporters, they say this is what it was like covering previous more traditional administrations, not just democrat but republican as well. a focused message every day and things that blow up and news that happens and, you know, this well carefully planned day does get blown up every now and then. it wasn't the minute by minute drama that you saw with a donald trump presidency where in the early days the staff criticized each other behind the scenes. the president was speaking freely. it been much different covering this evening just a few days into it. >> and anderson, i think that's one of the reasons he has a 63% approval rating because it hasn't just been exhausting for the people who have to cover but president but for the country itself and that sort of normalcy, you know, and just

genuine regard for process and so on is just a welcome relief for everybody involved. it feels, you know, normal. >> yeah. david axelrod, david garrigan, kaitlan collins, appreciate it. just ahead, how far did the president go to win a second term? a internal justice department investigation and the lengths he may have gone to. we dig into the billion-dollar lawsuit facing the former president's top attorney rudy giuliani about one company's voting machines.

tonight's delivery of the arti article of impeachment speaks to the insurrection. today the justice department inspector general announced that he'll investigate whether any department official tried to use the department to change the outcome. this follows reporting in the "new york times" and the wall street journal that the ex president attempteded to use the department of justice in an effort that included possibly

replacing then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen as part of a way to somehow challenge the georgia results. according to "the times" jeffrey clark defaulted to the false claims of election fraud and nearly convinced him to remove rosen. clark declined to comment. here to talk about it the form ehrmann in charge of the cyber securi security. when you first read this reporting between the former president and this department of justice official to overturn the results of the election, i'm wondering what you thought. did you imagine you would see a day when something like this might occur in a white house and a department of justice? >> well, thanks for having me. good to see you again. i don't have any information independent of that reporting that would suggest it's true or false. in reading it, though, it was fairly shocking and if it's true as reported, i actually think

the most surprising aspect is not that it was contemplated but the fact that the president didn't follow through with it. that's based on all the other shocking things that the president attempted of course with january 6th. but it does fit a pattern of behavior and attempts to use the federal executive branch and various agencies and departments to attempt to overturn the election and there are other examples of that, as well. >> and it seems as if, i mean, according again this is according to "the times" but there was this apprentice style meeting in the white house where jeffrey rosen and jeffrey clark, the doj official were laying out their alternative cases whether or not rosen should be ousted and replaced. i mean, again, just one of the those things that i guess that is what turned the tide for him and the president decided not to

go forward with what this official is suggesting. >> well, rosen had the opportunity to work with him on a number of different occasions as a professional. i suspect he had the weight of the law behind him and thus pitched a more compelling argument to the president along with the president's counsel in the white house. but again, you have to remember that sometimes that these white house meetings, i think about the friday meeting in december where the president had sydney powell, giuliani and others and in fact, rudy giuliani allegedly of course, called over to the department of homeland security acting deputy secretary and asked the department whether they could seize voting machines in michigan. i think it's important to step back and not lose focus on the bigger campaign here that there were a number of attempts to

interfere in the administration of what by all truthful accounts was a fair and free election. >> there is -- as i mentioned, there is a department of justice inspector general investigation into this as well as talk of a senate judiciary investigation, in your mind, how much of a difference can those steps make? how -- i mean, what can be done if anything to protect election integrity from presidential interference in the future? >> well, i've said this before but the framers got it right. the framers stayed in the constitution that the states are the ones thatted a minute ster t dis -- administer the election and never before has it been blatantly obvious having the federal government when the incumbent is on the ticket, it important they don't have that ability to interfere. those investigations that will take place, that need to take

place in the coming weeks on the president's conduct in the attempt to overturn are critically important and i think i've said it last time with you, but we have to demonstrate that there is accountability when you attempt to over throw democracy. we have to show that not just to the american people but democracy established in emerging worldwide that you don't get a free crack at it because i am concerned that particularly as you see some of these state gop parties over the last several days adopting qanon type messaging and platforms and planks, what if next time around we have a competent attempt to overturn democracy? and the last, of course, we have to make a clear demonstration to dictatorships across the world that american democracy is made of stronger stuff. >> you know, lastly, when you and i spoke recently spoke, it was post insurrection, pr

preinauguration. you said i fear a breakdown in democracy and civil society here. when you have an article of impeachment that's just been delivered to the senate, do you still feel that way? where do you see the country now? >> absolutely. i still think and as the investigation into the events of january 6th continue to turn a very disconcerting information about some of the people that took place and where they work and what part of our communities that they are engaged in, those investigations will need to continue digging into just who it was that was involved in the january 6th activities and so going forward, we can -- there must be accountability for these efforts. separately, those calls for unity and not, you know,

impeachment are nonsense. you do not get a free shot in overturning democracy. i don't care who you are. even if you're the former president, you must be held accountable for attempting to undermine and overturn democracy. >> yeah. appreciate your time, thank you. >> thanks, anderson. whether or not the senate will hold the ex president accountable for his lies, jurors in a d.c. federal court could be asked to do the same for the former president's attorney, rudy giuliani. daminon voting systems is holding him responsible. >> it's a radical left company, one of the people that's a big supporter of an titifa. > . >> reporter: the case comes from his mouth, the company counting our vote with control over our vote is owned by two venezuelans who are allies of chavez through

dozens of falsehoods. >> it is not made up. >> reporter: the lawsuit says former president trump's lawyer knowingly pushed pblatant lies about the company. >> one of these allies has conclusive proof that in the last 10%, 15% of the vote counted, the votes were deliberately changed. >> reporter: dominion's lawsuit follow as similar suit against sydney powell that promoted trump's false claims the vote was rigged. >> people believed this lie. people believed the statements that were made by giuliani. they were motivated to take action in the real world. >> reporter: dominion says it spurred deep mistrust could cost the company a fortune and

triggered threats against the employees. giuliani said the massive suit is intended to frighten people and an act of intimidation by the left wing to wipe out and the exercise of free speech. >> dominion, these machines are controlling the country. it's a rigged election and a sham and a shame. >> reporter: still, trump and supporters enjoyed a great deal of speech trashing dominion without a shred of proof to back the claims. >> the biggest fraud is the dominion machines. >> reporter: they are looking hard at fox news, news max, sean hannity, lou dobbs, rush limbaugh, the epic times and more as the company contemplates the next legal moves. what's more, dominion is hoping to learn through legal discovery whether some of these attacks on the company were coordinated and

at what levels. if so, that could open up other targets for lawsuits and make the free speech very expensive. anderson? >> tom foreman, thanks. >> ahead, a new strain of the coronavirus has been detected in the united states for the first time. share the details about that. plus, discuss what an influential model says about the effect the vaccine may have with the director of the institute that published it and those involved on the attack on the capitol, who they are and what they are alleged to have done. that's ahead. ...or this... ...or even this... ...we've seen and covered it. so, call 1-800-farmers and get a quote today. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

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there is breaking news to report on the spread of coronavirus. an infectious strain from brazil are reported in the united states. dr. fauci called this ominous. in 20 states, british and american experts agree that version could lead to more deaths. we're headed towards the deadliest month of the pandemic. one death every 30 seconds. an influential model says 569,000 americans total will have died from the virus by may. that's a slight increase since the last update. but the institute of health met tricks and evaluation projects 42,800 lives saved by the vaccine with about 36% of the country immunized by that point.

now today, the cdc said we're at nearly 6% of the country immunized. this weekend cdc director said she can't say how much vaccine the country has at the moment. the problem she said that will hopefully be cured in the coming months. president biden says he hopes to increases vaccinations to 1.5 million a day by 50%. joining is dr. chris murray. dr. nguyen a cnn analyst and baltimore health commissioner. dr. murray, 569,000 deaths by may that is staggering. that is even with daily deaths starting to decrease next month. what would account for the projected decrease in february and does this new model you put out, does it account for the new variance of covid? >> so anderson, these numbers don't yet account for the new variants. we will be putting out models at the end of the week that will and that will change the picture

but the decline that we expect to see is coming because we're at the peak of season alseasona. those two drivers are why we're at the peak and expect to start coming off the peak in the coming what activities are you referring to? and are you concerned because there are so few cases, like cases from brazil, people aren't going to be taking them seriously now? i'm sorry, that was for dr. nguyen. >> i am very worried, anderson, that people are not taking these variants as serious as we should be because public health officials are extremely

concerned. we've seen what's happened in other countries that are under relatively good control and then the variants took over and they have explosive spread of the virus and overwhelmed hospitals. we've been there and it looks like we trending in the right direction but all that progress could be erased. i think there are serious implications on activities like schools. now we think that maybe it's safe to open k-8 schools. what happens if we have an even more transmissible variant? that could make those activities a lot more dangerous. it underscores the need to increase vaccinations, do more gee nome variants and find out what percentage of all the virus that exists are these enough variants but also we have to hunker down and stop transmission because the more the virus replicates, the more mutation there is could develop. >> dr. nguyen, just so i'm clear, there's obviously a lot of unknowns about the variants, how widespread they are and how widespread they'll become but what you're saying is in terms

watch people can do right now, kind of redoubling our efforts to wear a mask or two masks when possible, spend less time, you know, a little amount of time grocery shopping as possible, you're talking about kind of rededicating, everybody needs to rededicate themselves to following the guidelines. >> that's exactly right. the variants are spread the same way as the normal coronavirus strain. and so it's still the same things that we've been talking about all along. it's just that if there is something more contagious among us, if we thought that going to the grocery store before was relatively safe, there's actually a higher likelihood of contracting coronavirus through those every day activities. so doing even more of that, wearing an even better mask, reducing the number of times that we had to go shopping or an indoor crowded setting, all of that would be helpful. >> dr. murray, the pace of

vaccinating people appears to be increasing thankfully, president biden thsaid he thinks any american that wants a vaccine will be able to have one this spring and the country would be on the way to herd immunity by summer. are those expectations realistic? >> i think the first part is realistic. right now only half of americans say they are -- or adults definitely want the vaccine. so we would get to that mark in may probably, quite realistically. the herd immunity part is a trickier one because we don't really know if the vaccine blocks transmission. so if you think only 50, 60% of americans get the vaccine, maybe only half of them are truly immune from infection, it's unlikely we'll get to herd immunity in the summer. >> if we don't get to herd immunity in the summer, is it

possible the vaccine will pre prevent in the winter and the summer? >> it quite likely we believe there will be a third wave of transmission in the winter of 2021. >> i can't believe that half of america doesn't think they should get a vaccine. i mean, i can believe it sadly, but its just -- i mean, i got to say it's ridiculous. >> well, it's about half say no. a quarter are not sure and a quarter say no. so it the quarter not sure that we've got to focus on and convince them that the vaccine is really important for them, important for their family, important for the community. >> dr. murray, dr. nguyen, i appreciate it very much. we'll have a new you town hall this wednesday night, joining me and dr. gupta will be dr. fafau.

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an update on the arrests of the capitol hill riots. prosecutors say at least 135 people have been charged, including michael foye. he allegedly struck an officer with a hockey stick. his lauwyer said his client hasa history of substance abuse. and that man accused of trying to steal a flag from the u.s. chambers. one of the men prosecutors say

had stolen a coatrack calling it a trophy. both were released from federal court today. i'll turn it over to chris. >> i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." a reminder of the history of this moment. just think about it. we have never lived a moment like this in america before. ever. tonight a third article of impeachment served to the senate against donald trump. the ceremony, the handing over of the impeachment, just a year from the last article walkover by house managers. all of this done in context. we must remember what brought us to this point. we must remember what happened on january 6th. it must live in infamy, and it makes this walk all the more