we must remember what happened on january 6th. it must live in infamy, and it makes this walk all the more solemn and sorrowful and also in infamy must love the only president who undoubtedly helped bring us to this point, the only to ever have a double disgrace of two impeachments attached to his name forever. you know, watching it, the walk, it felt very different tonight. there's a sense of trauma. this is a sacred place they're in, and yet it is now a crime scene. these are lawmakers, they're prosecutors, but they're also witnesses and victims. incitement of insurrection. that is the accusation against the former president by those

who feared for their lives. there's nothing remote about any of this. there is no proxy here. the people who are dealing with what must happen because of this are the ones who were directly targeted by what happened. the case for impeachment by lead manager representative jamie raskin. >> donald john trump engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors by inciting violence against the government of the united states. president donald trump's conduct on january 6, 2021 followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election. donald trump warrants impeachment and disqualification to enjoy any office of honor and trust and profit under the united states.

>> exclusive reaction from president biden, his most extensive comments on the impeachment trial. he told our white house correspondent that he thinks this trial has to happen. he acknowledged it could set back his own legislative agenda and his own cabinet nominees but argues there would be a worse effect if the trial didn't happen. so where are we in the process? they handed it over. now tomorrow the jury will get sworn in. the trial will begin february 9th. as wrong as january 6th and the events leading up to this all were, you have to ask how does the right thing to do here still elude so many? the case is clear. the constitutional duty is clear as well. the murky part is the constitution of the gop.

too many retrumplicans in the ranks. ten house republicans did vote to impeach but too many still see submission to their old boss as a strong move. the cruzes, the rubios, they are where this trial will occur. they will be the jurors. they seem convinced that strong and wrong is still the best move with the base. >> first of all, i think the trial is stupid. i think it counterproductive. we already have a flaming fire in this country and it's like taking a bunch of gasoline and pouring it on top of the fire. >> just think about the logic. first of all, what's the logic of rubio all of a sudden going soft on terrorism? but beside that, you don't want to hold the arsonist accountable because it will only spark more fires? that is the thinking that he will be remembered for, and he

will be remembered, right along with this profile from the top house republican. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack. >> i don't believe he provoked if you listened to what he said at the rally. >> i also think everybody across this country has some responsibility. >> he won't name trump but he will put it on all of us. i do not know why it is so hard to cut the umbilical cord from a president who is no longer in power and without the power to even blast out a mean tweet anymore. rubio with a lie. mccarthy with a deny. and that leaves defy. lie, deny, defy. that is the trump trilogy of tricks. and the defy, that play goes to the court jester, representative matt gates, who is going after

the third ranking republican in the house now because liz cheney dared vote to impeach and state the obvious, that there has never been a greater betrayal by a president to his office and oath to the constitution. the florida congressman is actually planning a trip to cheney's state of wyoming this week in his push to oust her from leadership. her camp's response -- gates can leave his beauty bag at home. in wyoming, the men don't wear make-up. their division is bad for them but worse for us. it is a danger in a time that demands a sense of common cause. again, i have to impress upon each and every one of you, we are living in historic times. the historeicity revealed no more solemnly than the moment we lived together tonight and how you and i and the lawmakers, how

we all respond to it, it will all be remembered. joining us now, a house impeachment manager seen on that walk tonight. congresswoman madeline dean of pennsylvania. thank you for joining us. >> good evening, chris. thank you for having me. >> how does that hit you? prosecutor, victim, witness. these people were coming for you. how much does that register with your head and your heart? >> thank you for asking me. i was there on january the 6th. i was up in the gallery at the time of the attack, at the time of the insurrection, at the time of the banging on the doors and the piercing of the doors. it was a terrifying time. but how it hits me, chris, i have to be honest with you is with determination, with sorrow and somber sadness that we had to walk that article over to the senate, but with a determination

that what we're doing is exactly what we were called to do. i was thinking tonight as you just talked about this, what we do here matters. i want to tell you a really quick story. it means a lot to me. in july of 2019 i was a new member of congress, i plopped myself down on the floor of the house on the days you could sit on the floor of the house and i was seated next to elijah cummings. we had the best conversation. he said to me madeline dean -- his favorite movie was "the lion king," he talked about his father watching him be sworn in in the gallery. i said i wish my family could watch me and he said they're here, even if they're not here any longer. i did not understand it then, he said 300 years from now your ancestors will remember you were here.

it's come to me what he meant. he didn't mean me, he didn't mean my name, he meant they will remember what we did here. he could see the future. he could see the history, the importance that we take that solemn duty seriously and that's the way i feel tonight. >> more than once he called to encourage the job of accountability and saying that this is the worst i've ever seen. >> yes. >> what is the hardest part for you emotionally in processing where we are right now? >> i'm sad for our country, but i don't know what has happened. i feel just a steely determination to do my duty. i feel so honored to join jamie raskin and it team of nine, to have been called by speaker pelosi to this moment of history. my greatest emotion right now is determination

my call is to do my best and make sure my consistents and my family and country is proud, that we prosecute a case for a president so desperate to hang on to power that he assembled a mob, incited the mob and lit the match. as a result, five people are dead. 130 mu 130 plus police officers are wounded. it was a dual attack on our constitution and on also on the joint session of congress. i'm a witness. i don't feel a victim. it was terrifying, don't get me wrong. but i was a witness, the senate were witnesses. we were hunted. they wanted to hang the vice president of the united states. they wanted to assassinate the speaker of the house. what i feel is a determination and an optimism for our constitution, the founders gave us the tools, we just have to use them. >> what did it mean to you after all that happened to see

colleagues stand up and decide to stand up for a lie, even after they had seen the wages of that lie and to know that now there's almost no chance that you will get 17 votes from the other party to confirm what you know to be true to every bone in your body? >> chris, i won't agree with you. i believe we will put forward a very strong case, that a course is already in the public view of what took place here. a president violated his oath. in incredible ways on january 6th. we will put that case forward. i was thinking of last week, chris, and i know of you paid close attention to the swearing in of joe biden just five days ago. it's an amazing american week, an amazing american moment. and four years before donald trump took that same oath.

we must hold anyone, me, a president, everyone, accountable to that oath. what did his oath say? his oath said that he would preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states so help me god. that meant from day one until day last. if we fail to make sure that we get this jury of senators to vote to convict, what does that say about them and their belief in this oath? i have a confidence, i will not give up, i'm not doing the math of 17, we'll put forward the strongest case, i hope we get every single vote. >> do you put any credence in the idea that a republican senator could say, look, the case is compelling but it doesn't matter, we can't have this trial, he's already out of office? >> you know, you're a smarter lawyer, you know that that's actually constitutionally not so. the framers of the constitution were very aware of demagogues and mobs.

and so what they put in the constitution for impeachment is not only removal from office, they put in disqualification. so very importantly, even though this president is no longer here or in past case as person tried to resign to beat impeachment, it just doesn't work that way. he can be further disqualified. so it's incredibly and very truly constitutional that we will move forward with this art -- article of impeachment. >> you guys going to call witnesses and might mccarthy be called and have -- as he was on the phone with the president. and where his head was at during the events. >> thank you for asking. i won't be previewing the trial. >> i just said the same thing to my a.p. but i decided to ask anyway because we're all the same, even we know we're not going to get an answer, we'll ask anyway. you pronounced your name madeline.

>> i'm from a big irish catholic family. they don't all pronounce it correctly. i'll answer to anything. it rimes with dean. >> i'm named for my grandmother, my name is madeline. i'll answer to anything. >> i also have a sister named madeline so i get a pass. but if i said her name wrong, she'd probably beat me down before i got it out of my mouth. let a little bit of levity bridge us to a somer and sober time. >> thanks for having me and thanks for asking. >> so what is the case. the evidence is clear. is it compelling? it depends if you want to be convinced.

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we got here because of toxic politics. we got here because of retrumplicants. they may keep us stuck here. now the legacy of their leader and they may defend to the end may keep us from making any progress. they don't want to speak up or stand up to not so much trump, but the people who may stand up for trump that they need to vote for them. that's the reality. so what happens in that party and what's happening in the democratic party, specifically in the senate? let's hear from two people who hold the foundational republican principles but more important the republicans values true to heart, michael smerconish and governor john kasich. i start with you about your party, gov. the division is real.

we don't need to amp that up. >> nope. >> what do you think is the most like live resolution? >> well, as of right now i don't think the votes are there for conviction. but, you know, chris, you talk about the republican party, it has an albatross around its neck and the albatross is donald trump. it is dominating the party. will there be leaders who will emerge, new ideas, ideas of the future. entrepreneurship? i hope so. in democrats decide to go the big government route it will give republicans an opportunity to redefine themselves. right now they're not into redefinition. right now they've got that albatross around their necks and they can't seem to shake it. it's hard for me to understand the inability for them to realize that their personal futures and reputations are at

stake on the basis of the kind of decisions they make. they've gone along for four years. i maintain had they stood up early, i think would you have had a different trump or at least a different situation than what we have today. >> absolutely. it was a complete misread. we've seen it every time he pushes something to the precipice. mccann says i'll quit if you do this or i'll resign if do you this, then he stops. when there is group pressure on him, he rethinks it. michael, can i ask you about the democrats or do you want to weigh in on this first? >> i want the republicans first. if guys like governor kasich were still calling the shots for the gop, i wouldn't have jumped from the party ten years ago. but the reality is, and look at the most gallup date from from december, ask americans how they identify, 41% say i'm an i, 35% say i'm a d, 25% say i'm an r.

the exodus from republicans to the independence have been an advantage to donald trump because those left behind are more like him than they are about our friend governor kasich. that's the reality. they control the primary process. while perhaps they can't win a national election for the presidency, on a local level, the gop is alive and well. >> let me say something about that, chris. i like michael's point there. >> of course you like his point, gov. >> i'm not talking about the compliment. i'm talking about the pact that the party has done well because they -- they said the democrats are radicals. they want to defund police. their socialist. that's the stuff they said. you can't continue to win elections if you don't have ideas.

they had no ideas on health care, their ideas on trade were bogus. they didn't care about the debt. >> fear is a powerful idea, gov. fear is an idea. >> yeah, but it doesn't carry you. i'm just going to suggest to you if you don't have -- ideas are energy. i said the other day, progressives, i don't agree with a lot of what they think but they have ideas. if you have no ideas and all you are is again, you have no ideas and you will wilt. in the short run, it worked for them. in the long run the party will die if they do not take the albatross around their neck and get rid of it and develop new exciting ideas for this century. it just won't happen. >> hold on. i got news for you guys. let me just get it. there is a power sharing agreement between the two parties, okay? mcconnell says, first of all, that's the key part to my next question, by the way. mcconnell put out a statement saying they have a power sharing agreement, which to me kind of is the headline.

i really believe he was running the game again and that schumer is getting caught flat footed but we'll talk about that in a second. he said in a statement today two democratic senators publicly confirmed they will not vote to end the legislative filibuster and agree -- mcconnell added the legislative filibuster was beneath the last 50/50 power sharing agreement in 2001, i look forward to moving ahead with the power sharing agreement modelled on that precedent. smerc. >> mitch mcconnell is still very much in a powerful position. it's not a 51/49, it's a 50/50. it means he's got a seat at the table and then some, has to be dealt with and frankly it seems like thus far he's been able to outmaneuver chuck schumer and

the person who i think is suffering in all this is the brand new president. because instead of being able to at least have a clean shot at launching his legislative initiatives, not only does he have to deal with the senate in a state of flux, but he's got an impeachment trial that's two weeks away that's going to take all the oxygen out of the room. >> so the headline is mitch mcconnell says they have a power sharing deal. governor kasich is about to have to defend the democrats. how is schumer not getting his clock cleaned? >> chris, chris -- >> you can brush it aside after i ask it. that's what michael does. here's the question. how does schumer get into a position where mcconnell gets to dictate the state of play of a deal and why should he have any deal with mcconnell in this kind of environment? >> because you have two democrats at least that won't vote to blow up the filibuster. and blowing up the filibuster

would have been a disaster for this country. let me tell you why. now it forces the parties to work together. if one party can just smash through the other party, the beauty the founders had was that the house would act in a more precipitous way and the senate would be more measured. it was like the house was like a hot cup of coffee and the senate was supposed to be that that you rested the coffee on so -- >> the founders didn't put the filibuster in. >> no, but i'm going to suggest to you that the filibuster has been looked upon by people on both sides of the party as something that forces the parties to work together and not let the majority run rampant over the minority. that is why they were not going to blow this thing up because there were two senators, including joe mancion said no way, that is not the way to make

america go forward. >> i see this has the ball of wax in congress. do you think they'll work together or did they just guarantee that mcconnell could stop things? >> i hope they work together. i'm not optimistic. if you'll permit me a senate observation, it's this -- the optics of patrick leahy presiding over the senate impeachment trial, good for trump. i'm tell you why. it reinforces the idea that the constitution didn't envision this. if the constitution envisioned it, presumably it would be the chief justice. if the chief justice gets to sit it out, i think it strengthens that argument that says the constitution really wasn't speaking to a former president. >> smart point. michael smerconish, governor kasich, thank you both. >> an impeachment trial during a pandemic.

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after president biden got push back for lowballing vaccine production. he went from 100 million shots in 100 days too this. it's not his fault. it's the flaw of his inheritance. the last administration didn't know how many shots we have. i would say one of the biggest problems right now is i can't tell you how many vaccine we have. if i can't tell it to you, i can't tell it to the state

governors and vaccine officials. next week and the week after. can't plan. >> do you remember how many times -- hold that -- how many times i had people in leadership capacity say to you we don't know, they can't tell us? do you remember? and i kept saying to you not because i'm smart but because i was talking to them before i had them on television, the administration didn't know. they didn't have anybody figuring it out because trump didn't want to own it. the latest from the white house is they hope to have it all sorted out, quote, in the weeks ahead. just look at the numbers that we do know, okay? those of us who are dying every day, people, families, they don't have weeks to wait. it's telling that while some of us have been saying this is a mess from the day the first shot went into an arm, the retrumplicans now want to pretend problems are new.

>> we were told weeks ago that we would start to see increases now and we haven't seen them. >> shame on him. shame on governor desantis. you must remember how we got here and don't let retrumplicans change the past to benefit their present. you didn't hear him talking about officials at the federal level when florida seniors were forced to camp out overnight for a vaccine? did you hear him righteous then? when his states vaccination program was being called a lawless free for all. now he wants to play. now it's toxic. he has no right. he is practicing the same b.s. as his boss. florida just stopped reporting how many second doses they have on hand, just like what happened with cases, just like with what happened with tests, just like with what happened in schools. he did the same things in florida he saw trump doing on

the federal level. that kind of political shell game has to be what all of you stand up to, florida but all around the country, and say no more, that guy's gone, take the game with him. when we are down to scrambling to find supplies for more efficient syringes, the good reason is if you have better syringes, you can boost the pfizer supply by about maybe 20%. every little bit helps. especially with merck, the big company, abandoning their bid to develop another vaccine. the reality is we are in a race for our lives. this is about time. time is of the essence. vaccine versus variants. we know these new mutant versions of the virus are here so we have to speed up the shots. as nice as it is to see cases dropping in 48 states and they are, the cdc is already warning we could see rapid growth of different versions coming from the u.k., transparency, responsibility, accountability.

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why? saying this: >> this dominion company is a radical left company. >> these crooked dominion machines. >> they cheated with the machines, then a venezuela company counted our votes.

>> the ceo of dominion voting systems, john poulos, joins us in an exclusive interview. welcome to primetime". thank you for the opportunity. >> thanks, chris. thank you for being here. >> why sue? >> we have no choice. disinformation in election is a huge problem. what we're seeing right now, i don't think we've ever seen before and it's affecting certainly our good name and it's raising serious doubts in electors' minds across the country. and, frankly, it's the only avenue that we have to rectify the situation. >> the 1.3 billion, you say it's ruining your good name. have you lost any contracts? >> the 1.3 billion there's certainly a lot of questions on that. there is no money, chris, that can even begin to make up for the damage in reputation that our company and the customers,

the election officials that have used our technology to count ballots. and the actual calculation is a legal calculation and we will play that out in court. but if i could trade our reputation back from november 1st and go back before these false accusations were lobbed against us and our employees, i would do that in a heartbeat. >> so the risks are you give a platform to this again and discovery, the people on the other side of the ball say, boy, i can't wait to get that poulos and the other people under oath and bring up all the shady things they did for biden and with their machines. you have no fear of any type of exposure? >> let me tell you something, chris, our space is so highly regulated, all of our source code, all of our pieces of technology are submitted to federal and state authorities for independent testing. they have all our equipment.

we don't actually run elections. we supply technology for election officials to help voters vote and to help count paper ballots.s. and when there is any kind of indecision or concern regarding the scrutiny of the election, election officials hand count all of the paper ballots. they either do it in audits or they do a full recount, as was the case in the state of georgia. >> do you believe that your machines made mistakes? >> no, absolutely not. and if you look at the case of georgia, chris, 5 million ballots were counted three times, one of which was done by hand. something our detractors have actually claimed never happened. >> and, you know, because you saw rudy's response but you knew what it was going to be. i get to investigate the history, the finances, the practices. are you doing him a favor? >> i don't care. this is something that needs to

be done. so our history is an open book. it's something that we have testified to various authorities on, including congress and we welcome it. >> rudy giuliani, sydney powell named in the suit. why just them? >> we are looking at every bad faith actor that has deliberately created and propagated a falsehood about dominion and the processes we were involved in. so our legal team is looking at frankly everyone. we're not ruling anybody out. this is just the second suit that we have filed. >> if you lose -- not if you lose. if you win, would the ultimate reward be to have rudy giuliani or anybody who's named in the suit say we were wrong, there is nothing that we could show to prove that we alleged against dominion and, therefore, against the election?

is that the ultimate goal? >> well, we already have that. the evidence -- >> not from them. >> the evidence -- he hasn't released any evidence to the claims that he is saying. frankly, if you look at the claims he is willing to make outside the courtroom, they're different than the claims he's willing to make inside the courtroom, but no, chris, the ultimate goal here is for however many millions of americans are looking at the past election and they doesn't believe the result, the ultimate goal here is for them to understand how the process actually works and the fact that there is one paper ballot for every vote cast in all of the territories and states that we've serviced through election officials and that the count actually was correct. that's the ultimate goal. >> i'm with you. that's why i'm saying you're probably never going to be able to extract that kind of dollar amount no matter how big a win you get. but if you can get any of the trumpers to admit that they were wrong and the election was legit, you would be doing some

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want to hear a story? larry, how can i help you, brother zeiger? that's how i first heard my father speak to and about larry king. zeiger, zeiger, was his born last name. the man needs no introduction. but i didn't know larry king the way most of you did. when i got a call that he had passed, i immediately had another reason to hate covid because i know it took a lot out of him, i lost another piece of pie. he loved larry. the man. not the media guy. many are going to remember brother king for his throw back look. his style. his braces.

that distinct voice. the old school mike. for over 25 years he hosted larry king live right in this slot. defined what 9:00 p.m. at this net work means. 1985 he started. he was a minsch. he was a mentor, he was a man i could trust. now, my father, he didn't trust many in the media, especially tv. but larry was someone he related to. he's an ethnic, he was a depression baby, was tough and straight, and was a big reason that i'm in your face tonight. pop was larry's first guest ever here. and he was supposed to be his last. didn't work out. that's a long story. you could tell when pop was on with larry, he got a different mario than other media. listen. >> being governor 12 years ago was a fantasy. 15 years ago it was an

absurdity. and when i was a kid, just beyond contemplation. so given the kind of history i've had, given the enormous good luck i've had, i wouldn't rule anything out. gees, if i could get to be governor with the little ability i brought to it and with the little probability that there was when i was growing up in south jamaica, this country is so marvelous that anybody who rules anything out while they're alive in this country is not being reasonable. >> that's cindy adams, legend in new york, journalism gossip. that's larry and my father. you know, my pop wasn't that much older than i am right now when he was first with larry. hearing his voice, hearing larry's voice. larry was the person that my father called when i decided to leave the law and to pursue journalism. my father called larry to help

him stop it. he called larry to tell me not to do it. and then larry ended up doing the opposite. he said to me, i'm not going to tell your father, but listen, you should do it. i think you have what they call "it." you pop. he said it's going to be very hard. people aren't going to want you. and he was right. he told mel it was going to take time and that i was going to have to, more than others, show that i will go anywhere and do anything at any time. but through it all, be tough and fair. and i've tried to do exactly that for over 20 years. now, once i got a decent gig, as larry called it, he had me on his show with my abc colleagues. no puff interview for me. listen. >> chris, did you think of politics before journalism? >> no, no. it's the other cuomo son, you know. i think that maybe in part

because i recognized the amount of conviction that andrew had for it and he early on had suggested that i go into this. i practiced law before i got into journalism, but i think that when you come from a political family, certainly with the example of my mother and father that i've had, it makes you think deeply about how to best serve. >> two things. one, obama got that suit for me. two, i don't even know who that is any more. i don't look like that. i don't sound like that. but larry was good to put us on, and he was good to me always. you know, they get it wrong when they say larry was soft in interviews. no, he wasn't soft. look, i knew him, okay. he grew up starving with no father in a tough part of brooklyn and at a tough time. he didn't need to beat people up because they came to him to open up. larry got people to talk because they trusted him. he was straight and he was decent.

and he was all that all the time for me. when i made the hardest career choice i've ever faced, which was to leave abc to come to cnn, he told me to do it. and he said, i'm going to say it in public. i'll say it. they'll see. they'll say it. and he was right. and he said the same thing jeff zucker did. if you want to fight the good fight, do that. go do that. it's hard. staying is easy. and he was right. and then when he saw me he up here in primetime, we spoke and i said, i don't know, i want to stay at new day. we built this beautiful thing. we're relevant in the morning here in a way we never have been. it's true, new day is the best morning show this network has ever had and i didn't want to leave, especially for the toughest competition. i knew it was a beating waiting to happen. he told me, you don't sound like much of a fighter if all you're worried about is whether you're

going to win or lose. he knew that as a fighter himself. he survived several heart attacks, cancer, suffered the loss of two of his kids. and in his work, he was never daunted by any name. in all of his roughly 50,000 interviews, he always made a point to lean in physically, lean in. presence, listening, learning, letting them know, i'm here, i'm present. no scripted questions, no just following along. he listened. with his head and his heart. it didn't matter if you were world leader, royalty celebrity or everyday joe. he was a beautiful man. and we would share the person that we both agreed was the most unusual person we ever interviewed, a child poet named maddy stepanek. >> where does all this wisdom come from, maddy? you're an 11-year-old kid. >> it's inside of me, it's my heart song. >> what do we need by heart

songs? >> your heart song is your inner beauty. it's what you feel you want to do. everyone has a different heart song and the differences are what make them beautiful. >> now he's gone. maddy's gone, pop is gone, and larry is gone. and the timing is a torment because we need larry king right now more than we ever have. but you know, in his passing there is a gift and it's a gift of him being brought into everybody's focus. remembering what he meant to us, straight, decent, real. now, there will never be another larry king because his combination of grit, life experience, bearing, it comes once. and the more that people like me try to remember and emulate what made him respected, what made him better, the more we do that, it will keep him alive, but also

it will make us better, and that's what we need. so it is not good-bye. it is see you soon, brother. but, of course, larry would say it better. >> i don't know what to say, except to you, my audience. thank you. and instead of good-bye, how about so long. looked on the bright side? discover never holds you responsible for unauthorized purchases on your card. (giggling) that's my turtle. fraud protection. discover. something brighter.

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