good evening. if you were wondering how long a disgraced ex-president has to wait to be forgiven these days after inciting a deadly insurrection against the seat of democracy in hopes of overturning the election he lost, the answer is three weeks and a day. that's how long it took house minority leader kevin mccarthy to make the pilgrimage to mar-a-lago and pay his respects to the former president. he went on his own initiative to talk strategy about taking back the house in 2022. he also went to try to make sure he would stay in the president's good graces, it seems. the ex-president's political action committee put out a statement that reads in part, "president trump's popularity has never been stronger than it is today and his endorsement means more than perhaps any endorsement at any time." three weeks and a day. that's how little time it took for the party to rush back into the arms of the man who egged on the violent mob that descended on the capitol, smashed windows, beat police officers, bludgeoned one to death, while looking for lawmakers to capture or kill including the former vice president. five people died in the attack. at least two police officers have since died by suicide.

two weeks and a day, the house voted to impeach the ex-president a second time. and the man who posed smiling today at mar-a-lago said this. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. accept his share of responsibility, quell the brewing unrest, and ensure president-elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> that was the top republican in the house just 15 days ago. today he made a complete, well, mockery of those words. two sources tell cnn that some warned him against this with one source telling us he was told this would make it look like he was, quote, crawling back to trump, unquote. also, that it would further isolate him from mainstream donors who want to move away from the disgraced former president.

now, keeping them honest, it doesn't seem like that is a big concern anymore for congressman mccarthy or the party. it's who they are. it's who they believe their constituents are. after all, he and 138 other republican house members voted to overturn the election even after they were attacked. and all but five senate republicans have signaled they will not vote to convict the ex-president for what he did because this is still the ex-president's party. it belongs to him, to the insurrectionists who supported him, to those beyond even that fringe. >> let me just say this about nancy pelosi. i have a message for her. >> i'm coming. >> uh-huh. >> i just want to say to nancy pelosi, she's a hypocrite, she's an anti-american, and we're going to kick that bitch out of congress. [ cheers and applause ] >> that is marjorie taylor greene, now congresswoman

marjorie taylor greene. the person the former president called a future star of the republican party. she's been a qanon conspiracy supporter who apparently agrees with the belief the parkland high school shooting was a false flag operation. she's also now a member of the house education and labor committee. kevin mccarthy could do something about that. he has not. >> assigning her to the education committee when she has mocked the killing of little children at sandy hook elementary school, when she has mocked the killing of teenagers in high school at the marjory stoneman douglas high school, what could they be thinking? or is thinking too generous a word for what they might be doing? >> house speaker pelosi today. and though she did not mention the congresswoman by name, she also touched on the thread that some members continued to feel since the insurrection and where

she thinks some of that threat is coming from. >> i do believe and i have said this all along, that we will probably need a supplemental for more security for members when the enemy is within the house of representatives. a threat that members are concerned about in addition to what is happening outside. >> now, when pressed on what she meant, speaker pelosi said, "it means we have members of congress who want to bring guns on the floor and have threatened violence on other members of congress." separately today, we learned that capitol police arrested a man yesterday not far from capitol grounds. he had a handgun, 20 rounds of ammunition, stop the steal literature and a list of lawmakers. now, remember, just yesterday the department of homeland security warned of the ongoing potential for violence from extremists, saying, "with objections the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives." false narratives pushed by the former president and either embraced or tolerated by most in his party.

the few republican lawmakers who have called them out as false are being shunned. even liz cheney, a staunch conservative, the third-ranking republican in the house, she's now facing censure back home in wyoming and efforts by trump forces to defeat her in 2022. three weeks and a day. that is how long it's taken for republicans in congress to forget about what happened and begin the process of rewriting history and doing whatever it takes to regain power. even if it means embracing the man who lost them the senate and the white house in the face of a raging pandemic, a sagging economy and the looming threat of more political violence. this is the self-portrait they apparently want the country to say. joining us senator tammy duckworth, democrat of illinois. nor duckworth, looking at that picture of kevin mccarthy down at mar-a-lago today, gripping and grinning with the man who promomented the attack on the capitol, praised the attackers even after the fact, what does that meeting and that picture say to you?

>> it tells me that he stands with someone who basically incited insurrection as opposed to standing with our constitution. he has essentially violated his oath of office that he took when he was sworn in. that is to protect and defend the constitution. instead he's now standing with the enemy of the constitution. >> what do you think -- with this congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, most republicans seem -- are unwilling to even talk about her or address any of her past actions and words. what does it say about the future of the republican party? i mean, when trump said she's a future star of the republican party, a lot of republicans said, oh, that's just not the case. she's in congress now. and she's a qanon conspiracy supporter, or was, even though she's now trying to hide it on her past postings. >> well, i mean, it tells me that they're not standing with the american people, that they don't care about the constitution, that they are backing these conspiracy theories, these people who seek insurrection and to overthrow our government. that's what these qanon people believe. they believe that we need to

overthrow the government as opposed to protecting and defending the nation and our constitution. it boggles the mind. i mean, these are the same people who were hiding and who were in the same safe rooms that we were in, that i was in, while the capitol was under attack. and yet, as you said, three weeks and a day is all it took for them to turn their backs on reality, on the truth and to go stand with those who would actually violently overthrow our democracy as opposed to keeping their oath of office to defend our constitution. >> kevin mccarthy going to see and pay fealty to president trump and be photographed with him, i mean, that's all just politics, isn't it? i mean, it's -- he's afraid of trump supporters who are in his district and he wants to be this -- he wants to, you know, be the top republican in the house. he wants to take the house.

isn't this just pure politics of him choosing his own political future over any other consideration? >> well, see, that's the thing, anderson. you just said it. he's putting his own personal ambitions above the well-being of our nation. he's putting his own -- whatever he needs to do, his own political expediency, above protecting our constitution and protecting and defending this great nation of ours. and people like that are not fit to be in office. that's why trump wasn't fit to be the commander in chief, because he always looked out for trump first, not the united states of america, not our great union. and it is absolutely shameful that kevin mccarthy did this. but unfortunately he's not the only one. you know, in both the senate and the house, you have all of these republicans who are choosing to stand with trump as opposed to choosing to stand with our constitution. >> well, you know, lindsey graham sort of indicated, in the heat of the moment after the attack on the capitol that night, you know, stood up and said, you know, i'm done, count me out, you know, i'm sorry it

ended this way, it's not how i wanted it to, he was a consequential president, whatever that means. that's like faint praise. he now seems to, you know, he has people yelling at him in the airport, which is certainly unpleasant and uncalled for and now he seems back, you know, kind of throwing love bombs at trump. >> i think that it's clear that lindsey graham is out for lindsey graham and not necessarily for the well-being of our country. i'm sorry to say that. you know, he's had a long career of service but it seems like lindsey graham has lost his way under donald trump and has decided that, as you said, you know, political expediency is his priority, not protecting and defending our country. >> are you worried about security inside the capitol grounds? >> of course i am. you know, listen, anderson, going around the capitol and seeing all the barricades up, seeing national guard patrolling is not how i want our nation's capitol to be. but there is -- there are security concerns.

my office, they attempted to break into my -- what we call the hideaway. we all have a little office at the capitol itself away from our other offices, and that still has got broken glass and boarded-up windows where the insurrectionists attempted to penetrate. thank goodness my window held and my door held. we're still seeing the scars of insurrectionists and yet my republican colleagues seem to have glossed over that. we just lost another capitol police officer who committed suicide just recently. now we've lost three lives in terms of the capitol police and yet they're overlooking that just so they can go and stand with trump. that's shameful. >> senator duckworth, i appreciate your time. thank you. before we get more perspective from our next guest, i want to play a piece of sound that underscores the contrast between how this former president is seen how his party and how thoroughly richard nixon was shunned. it's political writer fred barnes talking about how then president ford would not even

say the former president's name. >> and i asked him, mr. president, why don't you refer to your predecessor as president nixon or as richard nixon? and ford said, and i was amazed at this answer, he said, "i just can't bring myself to do it." >> joining us now, cnn chief national correspondent john king and cnn political commentator mike shields, who, we should mention, is kevin mccarthy's political strategist. mike, as we mentioned, you're strategist for the house minority leader kevin mccarthy. going down to mar-a-lago today, it sort of looks like someone who's kissing the ring, playing to an audience of one and also to that person's supporters. it seems a big evolution of kevin mccarthy from three weeks ago, saying the president bears responsibility and he should correct this and he should make the transition to the biden administration smooth. what happened? >> well, he got a commitment from president trump to help republicans in the midterms. and to work together.

and look, president trump, 75 million people voted for him and twitter deplatformed him, facebook has, but those voters haven't and they still believe in him. and when you look at what the biden administration has done just in the last 48 hours to poke those voters in the eye, they want someone who represents them and they put what president trump stood for ahead of a lot of the other things we're talking about -- >> i understand that. but essentially you're saying he had principles three weeks ago, he had beliefs about president trump's responsibility and he now is afraid of his base and so he goes and kisses the ring. >> it's actually not the base. these are american voters who may vote or may not vote. you know, the old joe biden that i know john has covered for years, the old scranton joe biden, used to speak to these voters. manufacturing base voters. energy base voters. no one's talking to them anymore. they feel like trump represented them. and what kevin is saying is you

have -- those voters, we want you in the republican party. that's the difference between guys who wear horns and attack the capitol, who should be in jail and kevin was in the capitol that day. he spoke very sternly about what happened. and he's been consistent. he's even continued to say the president should have been more strong once he saw what was going on to stop it. he said that multiple times including a couple days ago. >> but just because he -- >> that doesn't mean we don't want the voters that supported president trump because they're up for grabs and they're american voters who are frankly not being represented by joe biden right now. >> john, it just seems, i mean, beyond shifty for kevin mccarthy to, in mike's words, speak strongly three weeks ago, when he's still got the adrenaline from running and hipding in congress with the help of security, because there are people out there rampaging through the halls of congress and killing at least one police officer, and then, you know, when he starts to look at the polls and he starts to look at his own future and starts to think about his own power, he goes to the heart of, you know, goes to mar-a-lago and pays

fealty. >> you saw this, anderson, right after the insurrection not just from kevin mccarthy. you saw it from mitch mcconnell. you saw it from several other republican leaders who decided to have a trial balloon. can we keep those voters mike is talking about, absolutely critical to the republican party and republican success in 2022 and 2024, a lot of them brought into the party by donald trump who are trump voters, not necessarily republican voters. it's a giant challenge for the party. yes, mike is absolutely right about that. so what was the trial balloon? kevin mccarthy going to the floor, the president bears responsibility for this. mitch mcconnell saying even tougher things, leaving open the door to possibly voting to convict the president. it's over. it's gone, anderson. why? because they noticed. the base did not move with them. they did not move any of what you want to call them the base, you want to call them republican voters, you want to call them trump voters. pick any definition you want. they did not move with them. so now they have decided, if we want to win back the house in 2022, if we want to win back the senate in 2022, we need the trump voters and we don't have a strategy to get them without donald trump. so in the short term what kevin

mccarthy did today was essentially say, we're the party of trump. and took -- i respect mike a great deal, but kevin mccarthy undermines his own leadership when he does that because he's asking matt gaetz and people like that, stop the civil war in the party. what does matt gaetz do? the day after kevin mccarthy says cut the crap, his words, gets on a plane, goes to wyoming and campaigns against the number three person in the leadership, quotes president trump and brings donald trump jr. in on a phone call and plays it to the audience. kevin mccarthy is not matt gaetz's leader. donald trump is. >> yeah, mike, i mean, minority leader mccarthy said he wanted the republican caucus to help, quote, bring people back together. how does that square with matt gaetz going to wyoming and attacking liz cheney, the number three person in the caucus? >> well, look, kevin was pretty strong on the call, i believe it was yesterday, and put his own personal leadership on the line and said, you elected me leader and i'm not going to stand for this, we have to work together. and i think what kevin's approach is, just like he did today going to the president to talk one on one, when marjorie taylor greene was first elected

last year, he went to meet with her and got her to disavow qanon. i think he's going to meet with her next week about some of the stuff that's come up recently about her. that's what kevin does. he meets with these folks one on one and that's how you bring a team together. and it's very different -- >> mike, he took $175,000 from her yesterday. they were on the fund-raising call for the national republican congressional committee and they took $175,000 of her money and thanked her for being an emerging leader in the party. that's not how you stand up to marjorie taylor greene. >> well, the way you get someone to disavow qanon is to bring them into the team. not to isolate them and shove them out -- >> so wait a minute. i have not heard her publicly say, you know what, i no longer believe that anderson cooper and you know, tom hanks and all these people and all these democratic leaders, i no longer believe that they're satanists and blood drinkers and pedophiles, i no longer believe they're on a phony manifest -- or that they're on a manifest of jeffrey epstein's flight. i mean, there's -- they believe that, you know, there's belief out there that by qanon people that there's this, you know,

cabal of people drinking the blood of children and it's based on anti-semitic tropes. you say she behind closed doors disavowed that? come on. i mean, you would not want to sit next to this person in public, would you? and kevin mccarthy is meeting with her -- go ahead. >> the qanon stuff is absolutely insane. it's reprehensible. it has no place in the republican party -- >> actually, you know what? it does have a big place in the republican party. >> and let's look at the case of steve king. steve king, once he was a member, once he was in the conference, not what he did before he was in office, said racist things and kevin kicked him off of his committees. we have democrats in the democratic caucus who have said openly anti-semitic things and there's no action taken against them. so i think kevin has shown that when something happens with a member while they're a member of the republican conference he will take action with them -- >> right. what action has he taken with president trump? what action has he taken with president trump? because he used stern words. what action has he taken?

>> well, president trump is no longer -- he's former president trump. that's his title. and he's not in office. he's not a member of the republican house conference, which kevin is elected by that group to be their leader and to represent them. >> right. >> and so what he has said very clearly -- >> but there's no -- >> if you say something against the team, there's going to be consequences for that. and that's what he did with steve king. you don't see that from nancy pelosi. when people -- >> but john king -- right. mike -- president trump was tweeting against the vice president, his vice president, while that vice president was cowering with his wife, you know, being hunted by a mob who was talking about hanging mike pence. i haven't heard kevin mccarthy very sternly talk about that. there's no repercussions. you say there's repercussions with kevin mccarthy. what are the repercussions for the former president? >> what i mean is, repercussions for the house republican conference who elected him as their leader. that's his position in congress,

is the minority leader -- >> these people representing america and want the best for america, not for the party. i mean, that's what -- john -- >> we'll see if it changes with respect to congresswoman greene. we'll see if it changes. >> i don't suspect it will, anderson. but again, to mike's point, if kevin mccarthy is the leader, leaders have to have followers. leaders have to have respect. leaders have to be able to tell their members sometimes, i know you're frustrated, bite your tongue, we're a family, don't do this. matt gaetz, the day after kevin mccarthy said don't do it, went to wyoming. the truth is the establishment in both political parties have teamed up to screw our fellow teamed up to screw our fellow americans for generations. now in washington, d.c., joe biden, mitch mcconnell, mitt romney, nancy pelosi and liz cheney. this is a member of the house the day after his leader said bite your tongue who goes and attacks the senate republican leader and the number three in

his house republican leadership and calls them corrupt. that's not follow the leader. that's follow trump. that's not follow mccarthy. >> but then not only that but that leader, alleged leader, goes to trump and pays fealty. i mean, he's basically paying fealty to the same person matt gaetz is paying fealty to. so i'm not sure what stern repercussions there are going to be for a matt gaetz or anybody else these days. we're out of time unfortunately. but mike shields, i do appreciate it. john king, thank you very much. we have more on marjorie taylor greene, her extremist beliefs and what if anything her party will do about it. we'll be joined by one of her democratic fellow committee members. and later, the arrival of a new covid variant in the u.s. and some early answers to questions about how to protect against it. with so many new pet owners, your groomers can't keep up.

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we mentioned congresswoman marjorie taylor greene at the top of the program. according to cnn's kfile, she has removed dozens of facebook posts from 2018 and '19 in which she endorsed fringe conspiracy theories and repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent democratic politicians. she's also been a supporter as we mentioned of qanon conspiracy theory who once called q a patriot who is "worth listening to." she once said charlottesville was a, quote, inside job to, quote, further the agenda of the elites. during her campaign she backed away from some of those comments but she also agreed on facebook with people who said the parkland shooting was a, quote, false flag operation and posted an image of herself holding a gun next to images of democratic congresswomen. back in march 2019, she was caught on video confronting parkland survivor david hogg. she's heard making false and baseless claims while asking him questions about gun rights. when hogg walks away, here's

what she says. >> he's got nothing to say. sad. he has nothing to say because there really isn't anything to say, you guys. he has nothing to say because he's paid to do this. guess what? i'm a gun owner. i'm an american citizen. and i have nothing but this guy with his george soros funding and his major liberal funding has got everything. i want you to think about that. that's where we are. and he's a coward. he can't say one word because he can't defend his stance. >> today on "new day," david hogg was asked what his message is to the house republican leader now that the congresswoman has a seat on the education and labor committee. >> my message to kevin mccarthy is take all of her committee assignments away. along with that also don't support her when she runs for re-election again and try to get her primaried. if you say this is not your party, actually call it out and hold her accountable. because republicans always act as if they're the party of decency and respect but would the party of decency and respect question whether or not school

shootings happened? would they harass the survivors of these shootings for having different opinions than them? i don't think so. and i think if kevin mccarthy doesn't think so either, he needs to actually stand up and do something about this congresswoman. >> joining us now is congresswoman hailey stevens, who serves on the house education and labor committee. also cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. congresswoman stevens, you said of all committees, the education and labor committee with congresswoman greene. does she deserve to stay there? >> i've called for her to be removed. i believe, anderson, that this was an egregious error of the gop conference. this type of behavior, these types of antics, particularly taunting and harassing a teenage survivor of gun violence, has no place in our education and labor committee, anderson. when i need to be talking with you tonight about how we're going to get our teachers and our students back in the classroom safely, get everyone vaccinated, bring our economy back online, this is politics of

the bizarre and it's got to go. >> gloria, do you believe that kevin mccarthy will take any action against congresswoman greene? mike shields was on. i mean, his spokesperson said he talked to her about her past comments. mike shields said she had renounced qanon i guess face to face to him behind closed doors somewhere. i haven't seen that. is he going to do anything? >> well, you know, at this point maybe he'll decide to take her off the education committee. i have no idea. i mean, look, he said he found her comments deeply disturbing. there is no halfway with marjorie taylor greene. you're either in or you're out. and unless you take away some of her authority, i think kicking her out of the congress is a high bar. it's a 2/3 vote. but you have to strip her of her committee assignments. she has with her social media liked people who threatened the lives of the leaders currently in congress. you saw what she just did with a

survivor of the parkland shooting. instead, she has been promoted and put on the education committee and i think, you know, this is the unfortunate legacy of donald trump. and it's the struggle within the republican party. but you're either in or you're out with her. you have to find a way to say this is not acceptable and you're going to have to pay for your past actions and if you're going to renounce qanon and your past behavior, you have to go out there and say it and maybe that's not enough. >> i mean, congresswoman, it doesn't seem like there is much of a struggle in the republican party. i mean, there was some hand wringing and when memories were fresh and adrenaline was still high the day of the attack, there were some stern words from a few senate republicans but that has changed. kevin mccarthy is like luca brasi going to kiss the ring of don corleone on his daughter's wedding day today in mar-a-lago. it seems like the republican

party has stopped struggling and has looked at poll numbers and decided you know what? donald trump is our party. >> yeah, well, when you have a major political party, anderson, in the united states that's stoking conspiracy theories for votes and now allowing elected officials to run rampant in our congress, espousing these insidious viewpoints, it is a real concern. and it absolutely is black and white. either you are this or you aren't. and frankly, because the minority leader has refused to disavow this, we haven't heard any form of apology from rep greene, we remain astounded at why she would be given this nomination to the education and labor committee, why she isn't being stripped of her committee assi assignments. we did this last session in congress with rep king when he aligned with white supremacy. he was removed from his committee assignments. this is retraumatizing our

survivors of mass shootings, from sandy hook down to stoneman douglas. and we've got to get in the business, anderson, of looking at common sense gun safety legislation. it's been almost ten years since sandy hook. we need real policy solutions, not this distraction and not this complacency that is so tragically coming out of a party that frankly appears to be ripping apart before our very eyes. >> and let me say one more thing. why is the republican party taking her money, anderson? i mean, she pledged on this phone call $175,000. okay, great, we'll take your money. they shouldn't take her money. they should say no, thank you. we're not interested in support from qanon. is it because donald trump called her to congratulate her when she won and sees her as the future of the republican party? i have no idea. but there has to be a way to say if you're a republican, this is not okay. and so far we haven't heard it. >> congresswoman stevens, speaker pelosi said today the enemy is within the house of representatives.

the acting capitol police chief today said there should be permanent fencing around the capitol building. is that -- i mean, how concerned are you about your safety from other members of the house? >> well, we're absolutely concerned with our safety, and it's very alarming. in the days following a violent mob insurrection on the capitol that members of congress won't oblige the metal detectors that have been put up, seem to be flouting the safety rules, are insisting on carrying weapons onto the house floor, and some members of congress, anderson, like rep greene who are under investigation for potentially being involved intimately and directly with this insurrection. you come right up to that line there, and then all of a sudden put your hands up and say oh, you know, i wasn't involved. well, where is that line? and certainly that line was crossed. that's why donald trump needed to be impeached again and why we're going through this. this is hurtful. this is painful. this is something that our

country's got to overcome. we know we've got bigger challenges here. but we've also got to stand for what is right and what is honest. and i'm on that side. i'm waiting for my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to join in. >> representative stevens, gloria borger, appreciate your time. thank you both. with the second impeachment trial of the former president now less than two weeks away, the timetable that many senate democrats are now predicting. that's next. “could have been me” by the struts

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the prosecution and defense teams gear up for the former president's second impeachment trial, many senate democrats are saying it should be a short one. days, for example, not weeks. that is what connecticut democrat richard blumenthal said today and his remarks were echoed by others. as for the outcome, hard to imagine today there will be enough votes for conviction but as noted constitutional scholar laurence tribe cautioned in a tweet, "wait for a trial before assuming it's all over." professor tribe is the author of "to end presidency: the power of impeachment." he joins me now. professor tribe, thanks for being with us. so, what do you make of that, that even some prominent democrats at this point are looking for this to be over and quickly? what does this say to you about the trial or their expectations

of it? >> well, they're hoping that the dramatic evidence of a president launching a violent attack on the capitol, leaving people dead, threatening to kidnap others, threatening to hang the vice president, will not take all that long to present. and they are hoping that even though 45 of their colleagues on a procedural motion have basically said, let's get it over with, we don't really want to try this case, that once the nation sees in vivid color exactly how bloody this violent attempt by the president to steal the election was, that they will decide to convict, rather than acquit, and that they will decide to disqualify this man from ever again holding office. it shouldn't take very long. but it's going to have to be presented in full. and that's what i'm confident the house managers will do. >> republican senator rand paul, as you know, asked for a vote on tuesday about the

constitutionality of trying a former president. he invited law professor jonathan turley to flesh out the argument to oppose the trial in a meeting with gop senators prior to the vote. can you give us a sense of how that argument is received among constitutional scholars on both sides of the aisle? have republicans signed onto something which is largely considered debunked? >> well, jonathan turley, i have to say, is something of a hack. he himself wrote the very opposite not that long ago. he will say what he needs to say. but the overwhelming majority of scholars believe that the constitution does not contain a two-week loophole during which anyone who tries to steal an election can then have kind of open season, because you can't complete a senate trial before the inauguration of the next president. that would be an astonishing loophole in the constitution. whatever turley may think, it's not there. the framers were not that

stupid. >> i'll read something else that you wrote today on twitter. you said, "nearly as vital as convicting and disqualifying trump is rejecting the proposed transition loophole that would give any defeated tyrant a two-week open hunting season between january 6th and 20th to commit whatever high crimes he chooses without ever facing a senate impeachment trial." do you think republicans actually understand they could be creating a new precedent as a result of their actions, this transition loophole as you wrote? >> they may not understand it yet. but when jamie raskin, who was a professor of constitutional law before he became a congressman, when he's done and when the other eight really extraordinarily talented house managers are finished, they will surely understand it. what they will understand is that if you set up an institutional scheme under which a president who is simply unwilling to take the verdict of the people and to take their verdict that he is out, who

claims that it's a fraud unless he wins and who twists arms and does everything he can to overturn the result of a free and fair election and then when that doesn't work, he storms the capitol with hundreds of people with arms, they'll understand that when that happens, you can't then say that between that date, which is always january 6th, and the end of the pres president's term, which is two weeks later, that unless you can get him fully tried by the end of that time, he turns into a pumpkin. he's out there, raising hell but he can't be tried. he can't be convicted. he cannot be disqualified. you know, a "usa today" poll just yesterday, 2/3 of the people said they don't want this man ever to hold office again. and yet he's consolidating support among a rather violent 1/3 and he will be back. if not him, then someone

smarter, unless we avoid creating this ridiculous loophole, because otherwise, at the end of any president's term, if he's not satisfied with the election results, it's open hunting season. it's really scary. i think people may not yet understand what a horrifying precedent that would set. but they will by the end of this trial. we shouldn't assume that people's minds are fully made up. i'm willing at least to say that we ought to give people a chance to hear the evidence. >> professor laurence tribe, i appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. just ahead, we have new comments from dr. anthony fauci on whether current vaccines will be effective against more virulent strains of covid first detected in south africa, which is now confirmed to be here in the united states. his words when we continue. ask your doctor about salonpas. it's good medicine.

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breaking news in the battle against coronavirus. just a short time ago, dr. anthony fauci discussed the first confirmed cases of the south african strain of the virus, considered to be far more transmissible than what we have faced so far. >> what we're going to be finding out soon, literally likely within the next couple of

days, is whether or not that the vaccines that are used, that we use, or that are equivalent to the ones we use, are actually effective or not. >> he added that early data from a vaccine trial for the company novavax suggests the vaccines may not be as effective against new more virulent strains and that a booster would need to be used to address them. adding another hurdle to a vaccine rollout that's obviously been far from perfect. another concern are about these two new cases discovered in south carolina, no known travel history nor connection between the individuals. some perspective now from dr. leana wen, cnn senior medical analyst and former baltimore health commissioner and our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. so sanjay, part of what we learned today about the two cases of the new variant in south carolina is these two people were tested weeks ago in early january. what does it tell us about whether there are other cases out there and what should the biden administration be doing about sequencing? >> yeah. well, it almost assuredly means there's other cases out there

and probably a lot of other cases out there, as you mentioned, no known travel history and no known connection between these two people. so they haven't been able to find through contact tracing other people yet that either may have infected these two or that they have infected. but it's surely out there. i think it raises a couple points. one is that we do need to be doing a lot more genetic sequencing. i mean, keep in mind, we still need to be doing more testing overall. but here's the issue. you know, if you -- when you're doing genetic sequencing, you can start to find these variants much earlier. in the uk, for example, they're doing about 5% of their samples are getting in genetic sequence. here we're doing closer to .3%. and, you know, what they say is, if you're getting between 5% and 10%, you're going to have a much better chance of catching these variants. so, that's really the issue. just to give you a little context, you know, if you look at the uk variant, the first confirmed patient with the uk variant in this country will be

one month tomorrow, it was december 29th. now, a month later, that variant has been found in 30 states and they've gone back and looked at samples even before december 29th and found that it was already there before then. point is, it happens and it happens quickly once these variants start to spread. >> yeah, and dr. wen, there's a travel ban for non-u.s. citizens traveling from south africa that goes into effect tomorrow night at midnight. it seems like -- is that enough? what should american travelers be doing when they re-enter the u.s. from south africa and should there be a 14-day mandatory quarantine in place? >> i think that would also help. i mean, i do think the travel ban for non-residents will do something, because it will likely weed out some individuals who were asymptomatic, are not residents, and who would have otherwise traveled here. i also think that the mandatory testing requirement will do something, as well, because, if nothing else, it's going to deter people from traveling, because the testing requirement is pretty difficult depending on

where you're going in the world. but i think we should be looking at mandatory quarantine as other countries have done, and i think we need to do a lot more when it comes to these variants here in the u.s. as well, because ultimately we need to be controlling community spread in the u.s. since the south african variant but certainly the uk variant are already here. >> and sanjay, dr. fauci was talking to us about this last night on our town hall, about the boosters that are being created now for the vaccine for the variants. how long a process is that? >> well, there's sort of two possible booster sort of >> well, there's sort of two possible booster sort of strategies here. one is to essentially give a booster of the existing vaccine. so instead of two shots, for example, it would be three shots. and the idea is to just create even more of these neutralizing antibodies with the hope that it sort of -- it helps cover these new variants. but the other sort of booster would be one that is more tailored toward this particular variant, the south african

variant in this case. and that's -- it's basically retooling the genetic code. right now the genetic code is for a very specific portion of the virus, the spike protein of the virus. it would still be for the spike protein but take into account these mutations. that process probably about six weeks, they say. it's not very long to actually create that new mrna platform. you do have to then do some basic safety testing again, phase 1 safety testing. but you remember, anderson, dr. fauci said after that phase 1 is done they can sort of bridge the data with the other data that's been collected on the previous vaccines. it's called a bridging trial. and that can sort of accelerate the pros and in couple months you could have a retooled vaccine. >> and phase three trial shows coronavirus 95.6% efficacy against the original strain and dr. fauci wasn't happy with the efficacy against the variance what you have learned.

>> we can show you the numbers, some of this data is just coming out, the uk variant is 85.6%. the south africa is early phase 2b data, it's 60%. it's not bad but everything is measuring it against what we're used to hearing 90% plus. in that novavax trial they had a site in south africa and 90% of who it were the ones infected so it was spreading over there clearly and we have a idea what the effectiveness is against it. >> now a brazilian and south africa and uk variant, longer

this goes on do they get weaker or stronger? f >> this is exactly the problem, that there are other variants. just by nature of this being rna virus that mutates, the more it replicates, the more it's going to mutate. when you have selective pressure, you also will be selecting for the mutants that are the most contagious and spread the most easily. when you look at where these variants have already come up that are already contagious -- brazil, south africa, uk -- these are places where there has been a lot of community spread. where else has there been a lot of community spread? here in the u.s. it's possible there are homegrown variants here that may be more contagious. because we haven't been doing that level of genomic surveillance we haven't been picking up on it but that makes it more crucial to expedite vaccines. people are saying, if there's a booster shot, let me wait until there's a booster. but exactly that's the opposite

response. because of how this is spreading we need to vaccinate people and give them immunity now. >> thank you so much. still to come tonight, d.c. was like a fortress for the inauguration, now we're learning some of the fencing may become permanent in an effort to prevent any other attack against the capitol. suggestions causing some pushback, details on that next. with audible, i can be transported somewhere that is impossible to go. the audible plus catalog is awesome. it's like having a streaming service, but just for audio content. there's so many options. there's podcasts. i'll listen to the meditations. i love audible originals. mythology, anthropology, a lot of the -ologies. they pretty much have whatever you like. it's just endless. to start your free 30-day trial,

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more breaking news to report. with the department of homeland security warning of a heightened state of threat by domestic terrorists inspired by the attack on the capitol, the acting chief is calling for permanent security measures around the capitol, including one that has met with resistance by current members of congress. the acting police chief in a statement said she's considering

and kind of advising that there be permanent fencing around the capitol. obviously this has caused quite a stir here. the mayor here saying she does not want to see that. then both republicans and democrats on both sides of the aisle here voicing their disagreement with this. of course, the capitol is this open, sprawling complex that really you can get very close to and walk around. this would be a significant change around the capitol. you know, something perhaps that we haven't seen since 9/11 at some government buildings across the country, security stepped up as a result of that. this now would change the dynamics completely of the capitol. we have yet to hear from nancy pelosi on it. so we'll see what happens. and as you said, of course this coming as there's this high alert here in washington, d.c. just today we learned of an arrest of a 70, 71-year-old man who had a gun in his car after he was stopped by capitol police. then he had some concerning literature, writings in his vehicle with the names of some of the lawmakers. it just highlights and shows the concern all across washington, d.c. today.

>> you also have an update on a man photographed with his feet on nancy pelosi's desk. >> yeah, today was his bail hearing. he had a hearing in washington, d.c. and the judge just was not having it, anderson. she really had some blistering attack on him. his name is richard barnett. everyone by now knows him. he has his feet on a desk inside nancy pelosi's desk. and she really went at him. she called what he did an assault on american democracy. she said he was brazen, entitled. she was that, you can still see the remnants of what he did, what he's alleged to have done, just outside of her courthouse. the courthouse is just blocks from the capitol. as a reminder, she said, you can look outside the window, you can see what you are accused of doing, the result of that. she said that we are still living in d.c. with the