georgia on my mind. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. by now most everyone knows the name marjorie taylor greene, the qanon supporting member of congress. her behavior before and after getting elected is a greatest hits reel of truly deplorable conduct. among them before she was a candidate agreeing that the sandy hook and parkland mass shootings were staged. harassing one of the parkland mass shootings survivors, labeling the house speaker as treasonness for which she said the punishment is death. >> how do you get avid gunk owners and people that support the second amendment to give up their guns? maybe you accomplish that by performing a mass shooting into a crowd. you make them scared, you make

them victims and you change their mindset. i'll a gun owner, i have a concealed carry permit and i carry a gun for protection for myself and you are using your lobby and the money behind it and the kids to try to take away high second amendment rights. you don't have anything to say for yourself? it is a crime punishable by death is what treason is. nancy pelosi is guilty of treason. >> she liked a comment when someone suggested putting a bullet in speaker pelosi's head. this week house minority leader kevin mccarthy is planning to meet with greene, wi but will thinking come of it? answer this question, will the republicans reprimand marjorie taylor greene. as

as loathsome as she is. i keep wondering is she just a symptom of the root of the problem. she won a primary runoff and a general election. who voted for her and what does that say about our country? let's start with what we know about the georgia 14th, it was in the northwest corner of the state, it is comprised of 11 counties. into 16, donald trump won it with 75% of the vote, in 2020, 73% of the vote. the cook partisan index has it as the 10th most republican district in the nation. in other words, whoever is the gop candidate is usually a shoo-in. so when tom graves chose not run again, was there competition for the vacancy? yes, it turns out. the primary had nine candidates and the top two ended up being greene and one doctor, coww cow.

and he pledged that he would stand with president trump on borders, pro-life, second amendment, religious freedom, support the military, help bring down health care costs. it also mentioned that he is an elder, deacon and sunday schoolteacher. he was endorsed by six congressmen including steve scalise. and yet in the runoff last august 11, greene who was supported by representatives mats gaetz and jim jordan, defeated cowan. how come? who better to ask than greene's primary runoff opponent himself. dr. cowan. you said that my opponent is absolutely crazy. did your constituents, did the voters of the 14th not believe

you? >> well, i don't know if you've ever run a political campaign, but it is difficult to get your message out. it costs a lot of money. we have a big district, there is a lot of people. and as a first time candidate myself, i'm spending a lot of time trying to educate people on who i am. i'm well-known in my county and area and people i've taken care of in the hospital, but it is a big district. and so there is a balance between trying to promote yourself and why you would be a good servant leader, representative of constitutional values, and then going on the offense against your opponent. so at the end of the day, she got more votes than i did. >> from the outside looking in though, many of us say, oh, my god, look at the things that she said then, look at the things that she has said since then. didn't they know. and as i've read in about the election, it seems they did know. in other words, this was not a

mis mystery, she is today who she was when she was your opponent, which kind of raises the question of whether the constituents of the 14th georgia district were fine with all that thinking. >> well, they are not fine with the conspiratorial thinking. i think what they want is something that has been brewing for over 20 years in congress. and that is the perceived lack of leadership, perceived lack that people in congress are actually working for the people of northwest georgia. we appreciate our religious freedoms, our constitutional freedoms. we enjoy our guns for hunting. we carry ourselves with a silent strength here. and we feel like that has been infringed on and threatened by other elements of the country. and so she presented herself as a very strong fighter, outspoken, and people said, you know, maybe that is the type of grenade we need up in washington, d.c.

>> i guess what i'm thinking is you were giving them the sal of to all of those concerns without the crazy company company shents. were republican leaders in washington in the loop as to what she was all about? were you telling them? i said that both gaetz and jordan were for her, six congressmen were for you. but do you think that the gop national leadership knew what they had on their hands? >> i'm not sure. her record was on social media for everyone to see. and i was trying to win on may own merits. i certainly think that her endorsement from congressman jordan and chief of staff meadows were very powerful for her. those were two well respected people in our district. and i think that carried a lot of weight particularly for the voter who didn't take time to educate themselves beneath the

surface. >> you are a neurosurgeon, married to anesthesiologist. in my neck of the woods, that would be an as set. was it a liability for you? >> in the sense that people do appreciate the medical work that i do, and people said we really don't want to lose you to d.c., we appreciate having you in town taking care of us. so i guess in that way. but no, i mean, i think that there was? perception that gosh, a neurosurgeon is too arrogant and he is not willing to fight for us. and i think the thing i was trying to portray is look, i grew up on a cattle farm in northwest georgia, i was shooting coyotes when i was in second grade. i am northwest georgia despite the fact that i went on to get a fancy degree and have a fancy title. i understand the people of our district and get that. and i'm willing to fight for conservative principles. and this is the thing getting

missed here that we've got threats to our free market, to our tax system, to our foreign poll that is now in the white house that we as the gop have got to come together and project that message and not let the messengers be the headlines.res the headlines and unfortunately, the messengers are the headlines. >> thank you so much for being here. a final subject. the reason i was most eager to chat with you is that the easy part of this is to look at some of her conduct and to find it truly deplorable. but it makes me wonder, is she the problem or is she just a simple tomorrow of something more deep seeded, a kind of mindset that exists among a lot of people, a lot of good people, and if so, how do we convince them that they have accepted

truth that isn't? >> well, i think that it is on the media. and it is on political leaders on both sides of the aisle. we have to tone down the rhetoric, we have to stop the wwf mentality on tv when we see the dueling screens, people yelling at each other going back and forth. that feeds the narrative that, oh, my gosh, we are literally in a war when probably when you close the doors in the chamber of the house and tv cameras go off, these guys are actually sitting down being professionals and trueing to gtrying to get things done. and we've seen that with the rise of social media, with the rise of cable tv, news tv, that we've seen this divisiveness play out in front of us and people are saying oh, my goodness, these guys are going to talk us like tattack us like they are attacking each other and we have to fight back. so i believe the media needs to be deprogrammed, our politicians

have to be deprogrammed and understand that they can influence the group psychology of this country in a very bad ands can turning way. and look, we saw this january 6. if that is not a wake-up call to people in the media, people in the republican party and the democratic party, we are lost as a republic. and i -- >> i'll agree with you, too many citizens and certainly too many politicians are take direction from polarized media mouthpieces. yes or no, final question, will you run again? >> my wife and i are considering it. >> okay. hey, doc, thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it. >> god bless you, thank you. what are your thoughts? tweet me or go to my facebook page. what do we have? they won't reprimand her, they are her. some of them are her. but jim, as i said to the doctor

and i don't want to be repetitive, but the easy part is to condemn marjorie taylor greene. you know, i don't know what hillary had in mind when she used the deplorable word with a broad stroke, but this? this is really deplorable. that is the easy part. but what about the folks, what about the good people of georgia's 14th? and how do we educate them in a way that they can see through this type of conspiracy? that is the hard part. getting rid of her in an election, that should be the easy part. and he seems like a good guy by the way. i hope he does take another shot. go to the website at smerconish.com, answer the survey question please. will the republicans reprimand congresswoman marjorie taylor greene? kevin mccarthy will meet with her this week. and homeland security is warning that the assault on the capitol may not be an isolated incident. if only they had listened back in 2009 when their own analyst

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. the department of homeland security has issued a public warning that this month's deadly rampage at the capitol may not be an isolated episode. they report that the u.s. is facing a growing threat from violent whichextremists making that the motivation would include anger over the presidential transition as well as other perceived grievances fueled by narratives. but for one man this warning feels like deja vu. write management "washington post" in 2017, he said i warned of right where i think violence in 2009. republicans objected. i was right. darrel johnson was senior analyst for domestic terrorism at the u.s. department of homeland security just a few

months in to president obama's first term, his nine page report warned that the economic down t.u.r.n. and election of the first african-american president present unique drivers for right wing radicalization and recruitment. a note that had returning military members could be vulnerable. returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right wing extremists, and there is concern that they will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities. but this report which was meant for a law enforcement eyes only was then leaked. while the genesis of the report began under the president of administration goeorge w. bush, the section on veterans led to a backlash from conservatives which blamed the obama administration for going after the military.

janet napolitano homeland security secretary at the time was forced to apologize. an edited version was reissueded. and yet now we're facing the same napolitano telling the "nek times" that it is an early lesson but the report and substance of the report was quite prescient. the threat has only grown. and joining me to discuss is the author of the 2009 report darrel johnson, he now owns a private consulting company for state and local law enforcement. and he is the author of "hate land," a long hard look at the extremist heart. will johnson, is the 6th of january what you envisioned 12 years ago? >> actually, has kind of grown

to the point that i would never envision that we had the extreme i.s storming the capitoles. even though we had a couple incidents like this last year in idaho and michigan. so we were talking more about bombings and shootings, but it has gasolinerown to such a poin we have large groups of people that are willing to basically break the law and commit insurrection. >> i remember talking about your report on radio tw12 years ago. i house it was taken out of context, but i'd rather hear you explain. what were you saying and what were you not saying about the military back in 2009? >> so specifically about the military, what we were saying is that, you know, these troops returning home having suffered, you know, ptsd on the battle

field, you know, being away from their families, coming back to an economy that was depressed, not being able to reacclimate into society, not having that had dren lynn rush that th do t extremists. and we saw it back in 1991 when troops came back from the gulf war. >> so in other words, the extremists would view them as recruitment bait. you weren't casting aspersions on the military. >> exactly. and unfortunately, one veteran group in particular american legion felt that we were painting a broad brush saying that the returning veterans would be angry and join the groups willingly. so that is where the disconnect happened. fortunately other veterans groups like veterans of foreign

wars understood the message and they did not take offense. but the american legion raised enough of an issue that janet napolitano had to apologize for it. >> mr. johnson, i don't know if you will be able to see this, but very important, i want to put on the screen some video from january 6 for the audience. i wasn't familiar with the lingo ranger file. but it is an operating procedure for combat teams that are ready to breach a building. and you actually see a number of individuals going through this march on the screen. keep showing it. there it is. keep showing it, katherine, so that the audience sees with a hands-on one another's shoulder, and in combat-like gear. i don't know if you've seen, mr. johnson, what i'm now showing the cnn audience, but it looks like the realization of what you wrote about. >> i have seen that video and

the leader of that group has a patch for the group called the oathkeepers, a right wing extremist organization that specifically targets military service members into their ranks. this is a group that believes in conspiracy theories like fema detention camps and looks at our government as being tyrannical. so it is not surprising to me that of the 160 suspects that have been arrested by the fbi thus far, 20% have been military service members. >> okay. so it brings me to this. i'm holding in my hand your report from 2009 with that reference to military being success sevsceptible to recruit extremists. and i have the other report which makes no such reference. and i'm wondering if political correctness is keeping out the type of warning to the recent report that you issued in 2009.

what do you think? >> yeah, when my report was leaked and created this political firestorm, homeland security department instituted this new vetting process for its intelligence which goes against, you know, the intelligence trade craft and integrity arity of the intelligence community and it does politicize intelligence reports. they look for key words and phrases that may be offensive or may draw partisan fire from one political party over the other. and this should not be part of the intelligence community's production process. we should be able to have the liberty to state the facts and to identify the threat as it is and not have to worry about this sanitization process that takes place. >> if extremists are seeking to recruit law enforcement and the military, the american people need to be told that.

right? >> exactly. could you imagine if isis or al qaeda had large numbers of military, u.s. military, veterans as well as police officers as part of their strategy to infiltrate our communities and our institutions of law and protection? i mean, this is definitely something that needs to be looked at, needs to be dealt with administratively, we need to purge these people before they get the necessary training for their jobs because they just turn around and use that training to like i said boost the capabilities of these violent extremist groups if they end up joining. >> thank you, darrel johnson, appreciate your work. >> thank you, michael. let's see what you are seeing on my twitter and facebook pages. this from twitter, i believe. what good is a warning if no action is taken? threat, you warned us, now do we sit back and wait for another attack so republicans can ignore and excuse?

helena, we first need to know the nature of the threat. and i'm econcerned that we're nt be told everything. look, that fraud march-like as scent on the capitol steps, i didn't full realize this until looking at some of the associated press reporting about how upwards of 0% of those arrested have a law enforcement or military back ground. and by the way, don't waste time castigating me for saying i'm blaming soldiers and patrol men. i'm innot. i'm saying we need to be cognizant of the fact that extremists will look at them as being ripe for recruitment. that's what i'm saying. you know, this week democratic congressman jimmy gomez announced that he would introduce a resolution to expel his fellow representative marjorie taylor dtaylor greene

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co costs? the cdc has reported a 31% rise in symptoms of depression, 26% in stress-related disorders, 13% in illicit drug can use. it also found that compared to 2019, suicides have increased three to four times nationally. most tragically, it is hitting kids hard. earlier this month the board of trustees of the clark kouptszity, nevada school district voted unanimously to reopen citing as a factor social, emotional wellness. and that is because during the previous ten months of school closure, there were more than 4,000 referrals about students' mental health episodes. and 19 students died by suicide. that is more than double the number the entire previous year. the youngest student lost to suicide, only 9 years old. this phenomenon is sadly a

national one. in illinois, a high school whose prom and class sports were canceled, the class president killed himself in october. and hnow a report found that school age kids are ten times more likely to die by suicide than covid-19. they and the rest of us have never dealt with anything quite like the long term pandemic in our lifetimes. many americans are trying to deal with it. a new survey commissioned bvita health that one in six americans entered therapy for the first time. joining me now is dr. mossanic. so 31% of us already in therapy,

one in six of us now entering therapy for the first time. how much of that if we know attributable to covid? >> so it is pretty clear that it is i would say close to 100% attributable to covid. and the reason being that 2019 to 2020 was a very acute year. we've never seen anything like this in the history of statistics with depression rates rising, anxiety and suicide rates rising across the globe. it is not just america suffering, it is the whole globe that is suffering. >> is a is i will silver linie there is a chance of get beyond the stigma that here to forehas been associated with mental health treatment? >> one thing that is extremely new is that people are very open to therapy right now and the reason being is that about 88% of us are experiencing one or more depressive symptom, so we

have a hyper empathy for understanding that right now people are suffering and we're suffering right along side them, so to allows us to be able to be less stick gmaic about it. but we've made a lot of process due to covid. >> and i read your data, 47% still see it as a sign of weakness that is much too high in my opinion. i'm curious as to the demographics, who are the people that still refuse to pursue a therapeutic route? can you classify them by geography, by gender, by age? >> the primary group least likely to go into therapy is baby boomers. and also men are less likely to go into therapy. and also midwesterners are also

less likely to go into therapy. >> so a man from the midwest who is older is the person who might be in need of some therapeutic treatment but most inclined not to accept it. >> yeah, it is true. and the reason being is that yes the stigma and a lot of people have discomfort with going and seeking mental health services. so the stigma, it is not going anywhere anytime soon, still going to be with us. we've made progress. still not going anywhere. and because of that, you have to offer people ways to treat their mental health that aren't necessarily walking through the front door of receiving mental health, but through the side door if you will. so if a person is receiving treatment for diabetes or a physical condition, and then therapy comes up, they are much more likely to enter. so integrated health care is really the best way of accessing the people who where least likely to go into therapy. >> the data from nevada is jarring.where least likely to go into therapy. >> the data from nevada is

jarring. when i read the clark county number, i didn't believe it and i thought it was a national figure. speak to us about what you see in your research about what is going on among young americans as it relates to covid and mental health. >> yeah, so what we're seeing across the board is the more social isolation that happens, the more depressed people become. and unfortunately, depression is an insidious disease in that when you become more socially isolated and more depressed, you are much less likely to seek help. so the day it it so the day it a is confusing bee it looks like wire having better months, but in fact the a lot of the folks dealing with depression are just so hurt that they can't even answer a survey to be able to help themselves or let us know what is going on. so if we think about social isolation and what has happened with covid, the people who are silently suffering right now are

the ones most at risk. >> obviously we need to look out for teachers and for people who support the school system. bus drivers, cafeteria personnel, custodial support, et cetera. but as a layperson, what i'm taking away from your data is you got to get these kids back in school and socially eni interacting with one another. quick final comment from you. >> yeah, absolutely. so the more you can get the kids safely back to school, the more their mental health will improve. at the end of the day, we are all herd animals, we all socialize. and when we do that, we are able to have a high quality life. when we isolate, we'll all fall into depression even the more her met tick among us. >> thank you so much for your time. and checking in on your comments.

most of his of us have a low grade depression but it sure as hell beats being dead. death is permanent. marissa, i think that is true, but my focus is to say that it is not just the chiron as we call it in the business. it is not just how many have died, it is not just how many have been diagnosed. it is the incalculable cost on mental health all around the globe particularly among young people that i think will be with us for a long, long time that needs to be factored in in addition to how many died today. that is my view. with house minority leader ken mccarthy promising to meet with marjorie taylor greene sometime this week, i'm asking the following question -- will the republicans reprimand congresswoman marjorie taylor greene? still to come, it is the age old question, are we alone?

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and so he's written hundreds of books on topics like the early days of the black holes. he's collaborated on projects with steven hawking. and now he is the author of extraterrestrial, the first sign of intelligence life beyond earth. and he is joining me now to state his case. dr. lobe, welcome back. what happened in 2017? >> thanks for having me. in 2017, october, we spotted an object that came from outside the solar system close to earth, and it was really the very first one that we encountered. and at first an trstronomers tht it was a comet, but there was no gas around it and it also 12k3 exhibited an extra push away

from the sun. so the question is what gives this extra push. as it was tumbling, it looked as if the object has an extreme geometry, most likely flat and much longer than it is wide at least by a factor of ten. and it also came from a very special frame, the one that is obtained by averaging the motions of all the stars near the sun. so it was just sitting on the surface of the ocean and the solar system bumped into it. we looked at many possible explanations aknd i concluded that it may well be an artificial object produced by another civilization. >> and there are a number of images in the book can which i read and enjoyed. and one shows it as a light alongside the object as anxious oblong cigar-shaped rock.

tell me what we're looking at in that image. >> right, so the object exhibited an extra push away from the sun that behaved just like a light in the sense that the extra push declined with distance and the force of light bouncing off its surface pushing it. in september 2020, we discovered another object that behaved just like that with no commentary tail and showing the push reflecting sunlight. it turned out to be a rocket booster from a 1966 lunar lander 2 mission. and so we know that we produce the the rocket booster ourselves, it is artificially in origin. we don't know who produced this one. >> and you say in the book that many of your brethren disagree with you. they think that it was a comet. and you attribute their

conservatism for lack of a better word to this idea that they need to always be discreet because otherwise the reputation of professionals could be harmed. first of all, did i state that correctly and second of all, what has been the impact to your image as coming out and saying hey, i think that we've been visited? >> yeah, so i view science as maintaining my childhood curiosity. basically we wonder about the world, we try to figure it out, and that implies that we should be willing to take risks and make mistakes.ourselves, it is a kdialogue with nature guided the clues that we discover. and many of my colleagues worry about their image and main staining their comfort zone. and if you were to present a cellphone to a cave man that played with rocks all of his

life, the cave man would think of the cellphone as a polished shiny rock. so it is quite natural to stick to old ideas. but i don't find it speculative at all to imagine that we are not the smartest kid on the block. >> dr. lobe, the book great. thank you for writing it. >> thank you for inviting me. >> let's check in on your tweets and facebook comments. you know it is bad when i'm praying for an alien envision from outer space as a means to bring our country together. hey michael, here is an interesting question. do we want them to be religious? think about it. if there is a them, if we've been visited by some intelligent life from beyond earth, would we want them to be people of faith? think about that during the course of the weekend. still to coming more of your best and worst tweets and facebook comments and final

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responded to the survey question at smerconish.com this week. will the republicans, will, not should, will the republicans reprimand congresswoman marjorie taylor greene? survey says 88% no. if it had been should, it is should be 100 to 0, right? but no carries it with, wow, 32,000 votes.

we'll see. kevin mccarthy has a meeting with her this week t. comments she's made, the way she's comeported herself, completely in defensible. she deserves to be reprimanded. what has come in during the course of the program? from social media we have this. who in the world voted for this lunatic is a bigger problem. connie, that was my point in welcoming dr. john cowen to the program. he's the individual she beat in a runoff. and he seems to check all the boxes for a district like georgia's 14th, in that he's a christian, he's conservative, he's a family man, he's intelligent. he wanted to support president trump's vision, et cetera, et cetera. but i think that he put his finger on it when i pretty much asked him why did you lose, and the answer was that that district wanted someone who was going to be not so stayed, more of a bomb thrower, hopefully in

a figurative sense. so we look at it from a distance and we say, my god, how could they have voted for her? they were actually looking for someone with her characteristics. what else came in? one more if i've got time. she was selected by the voters, the voters determine who represents them. case in point, egregious words by elected officials does not matter unless a clear unlawful act maybe. >> that's a word salad, too much for me to comprehend. it was wrong for all of those who voted for donald trump to be painted with one broad brush. i'm using the word only for her. she really is deplorable. thank you for watching. i'll see you next week. way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry

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