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minority leader and a man who says nothing casually, has weighed in on qanon supporter marjorie taylor greene. what he said could matter a lot. we'll tell you in just a few moments. first, we begin tomorrow morning just in time for groundhog day house impeachment managers will file papers laying out their case in the second trial of the 45th president of the united states. and in keeping with the spirit of the day, there is a lot what he's accused of as well as how he's conducting his defense that will bring a sense of deja vu. especially when it comes to how much of the wrong doing played out in plain view. sources familiar with the matter say the impeachment team tends to say the former president's incitement was intentional, something we heard over and over again. >> make no mistake, this election was stolen from you, from me, and from the country. it's going to be a very hard thing to concede because we know there was massive fraud. this was not a close election. you know, i say sometimes jokingly but there is no joke about it. it was a rigged election.

you look at the different states, the election was totally rigged. there is no way we lost georgia. there's no way. i've been in two elections and i won them both and the second one i won much bigger than the first. okay? because the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. remember that. frankly, we did win this election. >> so in addition to documenting that, the prosecution is expected to lean heavily on video from the attack itself and the president's speech that preceded it. >> [ bleep ]. let's go! >> let's go! [ bleep ]. you back off! you back off! move! move! it's our house! >> this is footage of the mob's earliest push to get inside the capitol.

in it you see insurrectionists walking up to a barricade resulting, authorities say, in the serious injury of a capitol police officer who suffered a serious concussion in the assault. you see the man taking off the jacket, reversing his hat. the video is evidence in the case against a man accused of knocking over the officer. then according to court papers, he picked the officer up off the ground saying, quote, we don't have to hurt you, why are you standing in our way? as you know, five people died in the assault. two more police officers later died by suicide. numerous officers suffered serious injuries. a suspect is still at large in what might have been two mass casualty pipe bombings. as bad as the day was, it might have even been worse. and the threat of right wing violence has not subsided. then of course, there is this with a week to go until the trial, the president changed his legal team. apparently because the prior team would not do what he wants which is to argue that he won the election.

in other words, they left in part because the former president wanted them to lie on his behalf, something no attorney is actually permitted to do. let me put it another way. the president lost his legal team in part because they wouldn't argue in the impeachment trial the very thing that incited the insurrection the former president was impeached for. yeah. >> he's not a very good client. he doesn't take advice very well. he's unpredictable and he doesn't pay his bills. so it's not surprising that he's had trouble here maintaining counsel. it's not surprising that he's asking them to violate their rules of professional ethics by making factually unfounded arguments such as that he won the election and it's actually not surprising that a week before the impeachment trial he had to go out and find another pair of lawyers. >> jason miller, a spokesman for the ex-president, rejects the notion he wants to argue election fraud, telling "the

washington post" it's, quote, fake news. consider the source there and take it for what it's worth. as for the new attorneys, bruce castor on the left is a former pennsylvania district attorney best known perhaps for deciding not to charge bill cosby with sexual assault. he was later sued for defamation by one of cosby's victims. the two sides later settled that case. the other lawyer david schoen has represented roger stone and says he was in talks with convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein shortly before his death was shown to be suicide. >> the reason i say i don't believe it was suicide is from my interaction with him that day. the purpose of asking me to come there that day over the past previous couple weeks was to ask me to take over his defense. we came to an agreement during the course of that discussion, we met for five hours on august 1st. i said that i want to meet with his team first to see how they felt about that and then we would go forward. we mapped out a strategy going forward. >> so he was upbeat? >> he was upbeat and excited about going forward. >> the defense will present its

brief tomorrow as well so we can learn whether in fact they will attempt to frame it the way the former president is said to want it. if they do, welcome back to groundhog day because trying to justify unjustifiable conduct was part and parcel of the first go-around. the president asking a foreign government to help smear his rival, remember that, and getting away with it. after which this president far from learning his lesson as senator susan collins once said he would does the unjustifiable, yet again, because the only lessons he's learned is that republicans will not hold him accountable. this time instead of trying and failing to recruit ukraine's president, he recruits a domestic mob. hand, meet hot stove, yet again. and don't forget, this isn't really his second time, it's his third. he made the ukraine call a day after mueller testified essentially taking him off the hook in the russia scandal.

so queue up the sunny and cher, campers, rise and shine. senator blumenthal, what was it that he was trying to push the big lie as his defense, and that's reportedly why the entire legal team quit this weekend. that lie is what led him to being impeached a second time. >> anderson, thanks for having me. what it says to me is that he is going down a path of falsehood, the big lie, which has been rejected by more than 60 court decisions. it's been repudiated by many of his former allies and it has been absolutely rejected by lawyers who were told to argue it in court because they would be violating their oath to the court, which is that they would tell the truth, not deliberately lie. and tells me also that this trial, he is seeking to turn into some kind of vindication of

that big lie, which is ultimately doomed. >> you've said about impeachment, you've said trials have an enormous impact on public awareness. how concerned are you if president trump's defense is continuing to lie about the election, could that lead to more chaos, or potentially even violence? >> i think that the big lie, the falsehoods, the deliberate kinds of deception that he is trying to foist on the senate and the country will be even more abhorrent as a result of this trial. because what will be shown is the graphic consequences of his inciting a mob to assault the capitol, try to stop vote counting, and even assassinate public officials. these injuries, which included stabbings, trauma, concussions, spinal breaks, and of course,

loss of an eye in the case of one capitol policeman, five deaths, are the kind of really repugnant consequences of his action that i think will have an effect on the country and not just that they resulted from his inciting this assault, but they were the result of deliberate and intentional and purposeful action on his part, which i think will be the proof most powerful in this trial. it will be his own words. it will be a short trial. it will be an open and shut and pretty straightforward set of evidence consisting of what he said in his tweets before to invite and implore these people to come to the capitol. what he said afterward, as he sat in the oval office not lifting a finger when his own vice president was under threat and his calling them special people. i think this evidence will be very powerful to the american people, far from elevating or glorifying that mob attack.

>> do you think it will really change, though, any minds? certainly the american public has seen a lot of these videos already. >> a lot of the videos have been shown to the american public. i think putting them all together is going to be powerful but i think the entire public record is an airing of the truth against his lies no matter what his lawyers argue about the constitutional impediments to a public official being tried once out of office, clearly, that constitutional argument is flat wrong. but i think it would be wiser for him to rely on it simply as a trial tactic than in fact go through these falsehoods rejected already by courts and ultimately further discrediting him. >> senator blumenthal, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. i want to get perspective

from john dean and gloria borger. gloria, you have new information about what we can expect from the new president's legal team in what they're filing tomorrow. >> right, i have some information from a source who is familiar with their brief and he said to me that the focus is going to be on what he called the unconstitutional nature of the democrats' impeachment witch hunt. so he said there will be four to five major themes, the unconstitutional nature will be the biggest, but when i asked about the rigged election and where that's going to be on there, the response was that will not be the, quote, focal point. so it's clear it's going to be mentioned. i guarantee you once it's mentioned, it becomes a focal point for the democrats. >> but the main argument is their contention that it's unconstitutional to try a former president? >> that's right, and you can't convict a former president when he's out of office but if that

were the case, then why would he have lost his other attorneys, because that's what butch bowers, the attorney who left was presenting -- was planning on presenting and, you know, butch bowers, i was reporting a piece on him, by all accounts is an ethics lawyer respected on both sides of the aisle. somebody who does his homework, is not a show horse, and what i was told over the weekend was that the situation had become untenable. we don't know exactly what those conversations were, but there is other reporting that says that in fact, bowers did not want to talk about the election and the fact that donald trump believes he won. >> john, i mean, even if -- for the attorneys to argue that, you know, a former president cannot be impeached, that's certainly from a -- just from, you know, a legal standpoint even though many legal scholars say that's

ridiculous, it does give cover to, you know, republican senators who don't want to have to decide whether or not to impeach the president. it's an easy out to say, oh, well, you know what? it doesn't matter the merits of it, we can't do it. it's unconstitutional. but even if part of the defense is that the election was stolen from him, how can you use lies as a foundation for a defense? >> that's difficult. your point, anderson, that the constitutional or unconstitutional argument is a good cover. you can argue an oxford comma is unconstitutional. that doesn't make it so but it gives somebody an argument which deflects from the more serious matter at issue, the underlying issues. what is going on? what is the incitement of the riot, and how you can argue that because he believes or wants to perpetuate the big lie that he actually had the election stolen

from him is just not logical. it's easy to understand why his last team of lawyers resigned because he was probably pushing and insisting that this be the thrust of their argument and they knew it, one, it was not a good argument, two, it's not true. and the house managers can decimate this argument. that might be a healthy thing to happen for the american people. so in a way i'm hopeful they do argue this because i think they can put it to rest. >> john, very briefly, what is an oxford comma? is that different from a regular comma? >> that's a whole other program, anderson. >> i'll go look it up afterwards. part of my ignorance. gloria, the wild card is the former president, what else do you know about what he wants to do and what his advisers are saying to him? >> yeah, i've been asking around

and when i ask, well, does donald trump want to testify, do you expect him to testify, the answer is not that i know of. which is one way of saying anything can happen with donald trump but not many people, if any, are advising him to do that. you know, again, with trump, even people who are close to him don't like to predict what he's going to want to do. >> gloria borger, john dean, appreciate it. up next, the breaking news, mitch mcconnell speaking out against the congresswoman conspiracy theorist that could face sanctions for what she's said. what he compared his ideas to what he come back. the president wants to go big and republicans bring him a trimmed down plan and call for unity. we'll bring you their latest on the meeting at the white house which wrapped up a short time ago. orative skin therapy. with our highest concentration of prebiotic oat intensely moisturizes over time to improve skin's resilience.

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breaking news from capitol hill. mitch mcconnell unleashed a scathing attack on qanon supporter marjorie taylor greene. mcconnell said, and i quote, loony lies and conspiracy theories are cancer for our republican party and our country. somebody who suggested no airplane hit the pentagon on 9/11. that horrifying school shootings were pre-staged and the clintons

crashed jfk junior's airplane is not living in reality. this has nothing to do with the challenges facing american families or debates on substance that can strengthen our party. sources tell cnn greene could meet as early as tomorrow evening with kevin mccarthy as democrats are demanding she be removed from her committee assignments for an array of unhinged statements. last week's cnn's kfile uncovered ms. greene's support for executing democratic politicians before being elected to office. and she agreed the school shooting in parkland, florida, was a false flag operation. coming up, i'll talk with the mother of one of the victims of the shooting who had a private conversation with greene. we'll get her take. this afternoon, perhaps wary of potential discipline, the congresswoman reversed course in an interview with the conservative one american news network. >> these are not red flag incidents. they are not fake. and it's terrible the loss that these families go through and

their friends, as well. it should never happen and it doesn't have to happen if we would protect our children properly. >> she said red flag incidents as opposed to false flag. i'm not sure if there is any significance to that. ryan nobles joins us now. has the congresswoman responded to senate minority leader mcconnell's rebuke? >> she did, she tweeted out almost immediately as that statement was released and said quote, the real cancer for the republican party is weak republicans who only know how to lose gracefully. this is why we are losing our country. and anderson, i have to admit over the next couple of days, she is hoping to stay on these committees that she's currently sitting on in the house of representatives, you would expect to see some level of contrition from her because of these past statements. if this statement is any indication, that's likely not to happen. >> i mean, it is, you know, suddenly she's under all this pressure so now she has come forward and says that, oh, you

know, it wasn't a, what she called a red flag operation. i don't know what that means. false flag is the term that she had used in the past. where does everything stand in the house as far as holding congresswoman greene accountable for her past statements? >> normally, if a member of congress is going to be removed from their committee, the leader of their party makes the decision. but at this point, the house minority leader kevin mccarthy has not shown an inclination to make the move. so now house democrats are moving forward in doing it and in order to do that, they have to bring a resolution to the house floor to make that happen. that process begins on wednesday where the rules committee will meet to officially take up that resolution. now, congresswoman greene will have the opportunity to appear before the committee at that time to make the case if she wants, but democrats have made it very clear they're not going to wait for mccarthy anymore. they believe this rises to a level where they need to take action.

anderson, we should point out that this could lead to a precedent we haven't really seen in the halls of congress before. committee assignments are decided by the parties themselves. for a majority party to take action on a minority would be unprecedented. >> can the democrats remove her from her committee assignments? i thought that was only a thing the republicans could do. >> no, kevin mccarthy could do it on his own. the only way the democrats can do it is if they have a majority vote on the floor to make that happen and that begins in the rules committee where they'll have a debate about it there and then it would have to go to the floor of the house of representatives. but even though democrats have the majority, there are democrats concerned about setting this precedent. they would prefer for kevin mccarthy to make this decision on his own and that's why stenny hoyer, the house majority

leader, has basically laid down this, you know, this situation for kevin mccarthy to say if you don't do it, then we're going to do it for you and he's basically giving him about 24 to 48 hours to make that move. >> brian nobles, appreciate the update. thank you. before we get to the next guest, we have video we want to show you and warn you about that is disturbing and violent. there is no sound. it is the shooter in the hallways in the stoneman douglas high school. students are running for their lives and by the doorway there is a teacher, scott beagle, a geography teacher and coach ushering his students inside a classroom. he died to protect these students. scott beagle's mother gave us this video. she wants you to see the video. she wants you to see the attack that day was no false flag operation.

>> joining me now is linda beagle. she and congressman greene spoke privately before ms. greene's statement today. thank you for being with us. when you hear this congresswoman finally say in public on a

conservative media network that she believes school shootings -- that this -- not red flag operation, although, false flag is what she called it in the past, i'm wondering what you thought of what she said. >> you know, i think it's good that she finally admitted, i would say, in a well-crafted statement that these shootings do take place. it's clearly the bare minimum but it really doesn't scratch the surface as a recant. >> the idea that this congresswoman after liking horrendous comments online about school shootings was placed on the education committee. does that make any sense to you at all? >> somebody was truly not thinking. i mean, kevin mccarthy couldn't have been thinking when he put her on the education committee. how can you be on an education

committee when you, even in the past and present, whatever he wants to say was said, when you are accused because, she said she didn't -- she said she never said it. she said it was the media, okay? she talked about that today. okay? but if it was the media and people got -- and her followers got ahold of this and it was quite the conspiracy theory, why didn't she stop it then? why did she wait until now to come out with her bare minimum statement? why didn't she stop it then? why did she have to rustle up her followers, clan, cult, and tell a lie or let the lie go? she said she didn't do it. but let the lie go. over and over and over, because people start believing. people believe lies. all you have to do is look over the past four years, you tell a lie long enough and you get people to believe you.

>> and i think it's clear the reason she didn't do that is either she believes it, which is entirely possible, perhaps even worse, if she doesn't believe it but she knows it will get her votes because there are other sick people out there or conspiracy minded people out there who believe it and she doesn't have the guts to stand up to them. she's publicly embraced qanon and said this mysterious q that posted these anti-semitic bizarre, terrible conspiracy theorys is a patriot, she's talked about how the plane didn't hit the pentagon on 9/11. when you spoke to her over the weekend, did she give any reasons for why she has, i mean, not only supported lies about at the very least about the parkland and sandy hook shootings in the past? >> no, she said that she didn't do it. it was the media, that they took

i believe a facebook post or some post she said about scott peterson getting his pension and that it horrified her that could happen and that the media turned it around, which was fact checked to be false, of course. but, you know, it's so funny because i think she used political strategy on both sides. political strategy that she didn't come forward to say anything or to negate what was being said and is using political strategy to defend herself because she's getting bombarded from all sides now and quite honestly it's a horrible way to conduct herself. >> it seems pretty clear the only reason she would make, you know, this limited statement that she has made on a conservative network is because her back is to the wall, because there is a very real possibility that she will finally face consequences for the lies that she has been spreading.

>> anderson, if she really wanted to be, you know, like we would say, you know, i don't know what the female word for it is, but if she wanted to stand up and really wanted to turn down the temperature, she would just make a statement. she would make a statement. she would say that the parkland shooting was not a false flag. it was not a staged event. and she would say that so everybody could hear her. and she can use any excuse that she would want to why it got to where it was, but she needs to stop it and her statement today was, listen, it was so well crafted. i mean, i even put it in quotes in front of me because i had to read it over and over to try to find where she actually recanted what she said about parkland. i can't find it in those words anywhere.

so, i mean, stand up, tell the world that that's not what you believe. because i did have the conversation with her. we had a very cordial conversation, okay, and she told me straight to my face that she didn't believe that. so why not tell everybody? why not take away the hurt and the anger that she has caused with the people from -- i can talk about the people from parkland. i certainly know them well. why can't she take that away? why is it so horrible? it wouldn't hurt her, it can't hurt her with her followers because everybody knows parkland happened. everybody knows sandy hook happened. i mean, our former president knows it happened because he spoke about it. it wouldn't take her out of his good graces. it just makes no sense. i mean, she has all sorts of conspiracy theories and she can have those. i don't want to get into those right now.

but the one that touches me and goes to my heart and puts me in disbelief, okay, is the one about parkland. i mean, you can see it. you saw the video. i mean, i've said it before. i would be more than happy to take all of her followers or anyone who believes what she says and let's go on a field trip or bus trip or whatever and i'll take you to the 17 gravesites of the people from parkland. i'll show it to you. she knows it. nobody in the world can convince me that she believes those conspiracy theories about parkland. she looked me straight in the face in the zoom and told me she didn't believe it so tell everybody. >> you just used the word mensch. and another one, -- which is shame.

and she has no shame and that's how she can look you in the eye and tell you those things which are different than what she said in the past. because she has no sense of shame. can you tell me a little bit about -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i don't mean to step on your words, i'm sorry. >> no, no, no. go ahead. >> quite honestly, being forced to defend the fact that my son was murdered in the parkland school shooting is beyond absurd. nobody -- never convince me that i would have to defend the fact that my son was murdered in that shooting, in that massacre. >> and there are far too many parents that have to -- i know parents from sandy hook who had the playground they dedicated to their child, it was defaced by people who denied their child ever existed. can you talk a little bit about scott? what was he like? >> i could talk forever about scott. sure. >> you have a lot to be proud of. >> scott was just a normal kid.

okay? he was a normal kid, but he was humble, really humble, and really private. i'm sure wherever he is, he's saying, mom, i can't believe you're making my life so public. what is wrong with you? i'm sure. he had super dry humor, and he was really sarcastic, anybody that knows him. i think his greatest qualities were that he treated people the way he wanted to be treated and he loved mentoring kids. he just loved it. and the kids loved him back. i just wish that he knew how much he was loved back by his students and his cross-country team because he would always say to me, you know, mom? i can do better. i can do better. i don't know what it is but i know i can do better. scott was a champion for the underdog. he really was. if there was a child that didn't fit in or was unhappy, he was the first one to bend down and say, why are you so sad?

what can we do? or, you know, you seem like you're not part of the people playing soccer over there. what is it that you would rather do? scott treated others the way scott wanted to be treated and i think that's an amazing, amazing attribute. >> he championed others, and you are championing him. thank you for being with us and it's not an easy thing to do and i'm sorry you're in the position where you have to. it's important. thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. thank you for having me tonight. coming up next, the white house has weighed in on talks between republicans pushing for a smaller covid relief package and a president who says the need is far too great not to go big. we'll be right back.

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there's breaking news tonight on the president's covid relief legislation and a drastically less expensive proposal being offered by republican senators. they met with the president tonight and afterwards susan collins spoke to reporters. >> i wouldn't say that we came together on a package tonight. no one expected that in a two-hour meeting, but what we did agree to do is to follow up and talk further at the staff

level and amongst ourselves and with the president and vice president on how we can continue to work together on this very important issue. so i think it was an excellent meeting and we're very appreciative that as his first official meeting in the oval office, the president chose to spend so much time with us in a frank and very useful discussion. >> the question with the two sides about $1.3 trillion apart is what is next, and are republicans bargaining in good faith? and how far is the president willing to go in the unity he campaigned on. a lot to talk about with kaitlan collins. senator collins, you heard what she said. what is the white house saying about this meeting? >> reporter: she sounded upbeat there and the white house said it was a cordial meeting. in this white house statement,

they are saying president biden will not settle for a package that they say fails to meet the moment and the other key part of this readout from the white house that sticks out is every part of this rescue america plan that they've crafted and proposed is carefully designed to meet the moment, they say. what you can read into those words, anderson, is that there is not a lot in this package the white house wants to change. they said maybe they would, you know, come down a little bit on stimulus checks, there is room for compromise on there. but mentioning reckonciliation, they have the process on capitol hill to get democratic support from the proposal does not sound like this meeting will result and come closer to the republican proposal will look like given the white house noted how much -- how smaller it is, i guess you would say to put it bluntly. >> there is a wide gap between what the president wants and obviously, what the senators want, you know, and what they're putting forward.

what could the average person actually get from this package? >> reporter: well, from the republican package, it's a lot different. mainly it's the stimulus checks. there is no federal minimum wage for $15 an hour. that's what biden has in his package. and a difference for the extended jobless benefits but the stimulus checks is what everyone is focussing on. of course, in biden's package, it starts with $1,400 stimulus checks on top of the $600 that passed late last year. but what republicans have in their proposal are these $1,000 checks but they are much more targeted to people with lower incomes. basically, they are trying to limit who gets this. because their complaint is that too many americans making too much money that have not been really affected by the pandemic in a financial way would be receiving and benefiting from these stimulus checks. so that's an area to keep an eye on to see if that comes to an agreement but one thing the white house makes clear in their

statement is, they still want to move with urgency here. they're not saying there is a lot of time for them to go back, have the talks and come back together and come to an agreement. so it remains to be seen but it does not sound like they came closer to accepting a lot of those republican proposals. >> kaitlan, appreciate it. stay right there. i want to bring in cnn john king. john, we're learning senator joe manchin, a key democrat, was frustrated by an interview vice president harris did pushing for the larger stimulus plan. do we know where he stands on all of this? >> he said he wants a smaller package. he said he think $1.9 trillion is too much. he thinks so far that the money should be targeted more to middle income and lower income americans and not people he considers to be in the more affluent class. i do think you will see president biden tweak the man in that regard. senator manchin wants to be in the middle of it.

he's essential because joe biden cannot afford to lose any votes in the senate, 50/50 even divide. he'll be in the mix of it. they should have given him a heads-up and said we're doing this to help you and create a climate in your state where people will vote for big so they will have to smooth feathers. but i'll tell you the republican governor of west virginia did the president of the united states a favor today. the republican jim justice saying he'll take a bigger package right now, people need it. that will help president biden, and in the end it may help joe manchin vote for a bigger package, saying the governor needs it. >> john, you mentioned democrats can't afford to lose votes. do you think they will remain united? the democrats just won two seats in georgia and in the final days of that campaign, they were promising $2,000 to people in georgia, weren't they? >> yes, joe biden has to call senator manchin, president

biden, i should say, has to call senator manchin. he might have to do some work within the democrats and might have to do work with house democrats. i think we're talking about this backwards. is joe biden willing to go down and meet republicans? the question is are they willing to come up to make it worth to continue the bipartisan negotiations because to your point, president biden won the election saying he wanted a big covid relief package. after the election when republicans were warning don't give joe biden and the democrats blanket control of washington, both of those democrats in georgia won by saying let's give people checks and have a big package. so democrats believe they have the momentum and the american people. joe biden truly believes in process and in talking to republicans. so he wants to give it a chance. the question is, will they move to him? not will he move to them. >> is that what this meeting was about, optics or was -- i mean, it's not really the setting for a serious negotiation, or was it? >> i don't think so. it did go on much longer than anybody expected it to, two hours, because there are nine

senators in a room, one on the phone and president biden there, as well but this is also his first big meeting at the white house, the first group of lawmakers he has invited into the oval office and comes as the white house is faced with multiple questions about, is he really pursuing this path of unity if no republicans get on board with this? but of course, as john noted, what the white house is hoping if they do move forward with this reconciliation process saying they only have democrats who voted for this bill and wouldn't have to get ten republicans on board, the white house still thinks republicans could vote for it later on maybe facing pressure from their constituents given the popularity of some polling that the white house has touted on this bill. that all remains to be seen and you are seeing people like joe manchin voice concern about some aspects of this, some specific aspects of this so if the white house changes that, we're waiting to figure that out. so far, they have not committed to that. they haven't agreed to that. but i do think a lot of this was also the white house making an effort to show, hey, we invited

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hope is certainly if not fading certainly more cloudy. should it be? experts say it could be a long time before we get back to a real sense of normalcy. >> i think this has added a lot of urgency to an already very urgent situation. bad news first. people who have been infected by this coronavirus and have their own antibodies, there is now increasing evidence those antibodies may not be as effective against the variants. so the chance of reinfection as you mentioned becomes higher as a result. there are a lot of people who said i had it. i'm done with this. that may not be the case if the variants start to become more dominant. the second thing is the vaccines out there like the johnson & johnson data, we know while they're effective across the board they are less effective against the variants as well. the good news is that, like, again, with the johnson & johnson one, they were still effective against people getting really sick. whether it was the variant or the other, you know, the

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