seen in videotape operating a battering ram has been arrested. she's in custody. prosecutors say she also called in instructions to rioters. >> brian, important programming note to our viewers. own monday the secretary of state tony blinken will give his first cnn interview to me here in the situation room. erin burnett out front starts right now. out front next, breaking news. joe biden speaking out tonight about whether he would vote to convict trump and why he believes trump should no longer receive intelligence briefings. plus the white house defending its $1.9 trillion stimulus bill as a top economist larry summer says the plan is too big. tonight he's out front. and breaking fuse lou daubs tonight the most watched on fox news canceled. let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. and we begin with breaking news

out front tonight. president trump weighing. >> let's turn to president trump's impeachment trial. if you were still a senator would you vote to convict him? >> look, i ran like hell to defeat him because he was unfit to be president. i watched what everybody else watched, what happened when that crew invaded the united states congress. but i'm not in the senate now. i'll let the senate make that decision. >> let me ask you then something you do have oversight of as president. should former president trump still receive intelligence briefings? >> i think not. >> why not? >> because of his erratic behavior unrelated to the insurrection. >> i mean you've called him an existential threat. you've called him dangerous. you've called him reckless. >> yeah, i have. and i believe it. >> what's your worst fear if he

continues to get these intelligence briefings? >> i'd rather not speculate out loud. i just think that there's no need for him to have that intelligence briefing. what value is giving him an intelligence briefing? what impact does he have at all other than the fact he might slip and say something? >> strong words from the current president about his predecessor this as the impeachment trial is taking shape. we're learning house democrats have everything in place. they say they have enough evidence to make their case in trump's impeachment trial even without the former president's testimony. that evidence of course includes trump's own words, his own tweets leading up to and on the day of the insurrection. in fact, they plan to argue his refusal to testify underscores his guilt. trump's team has called that request a publicity stunt. and in a response to the charge of inciting insurrection, they argue -- and let me quote from them. they argue it is denied if the phrase, if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a

country anymore had anything to do with the action at the capitol. those are of course the president's words. and he said those words many times in many ways over many months. and those comments are the reason that that riot and rally even happened to begin with. by the way, here are trump's supporters responding to his call just before the riot. >> fight for trump! >> and fight they did. five people died today and the acting capitol police chief says 125 officers were assaulted and over 70 injured -- 70 police officers injure by, quote, insurrectionists. she said officers were engaged in hand to hand combat and were assaulted with pipes, bats, bricks and american flagpoles. talk about desecration. and we've heard rioters admit again and again that they were there because of trump.

>> president trump requested that we be in d.c. on the 6th. so this was our way of going and stopping the steal. >> so trump's team also arguing, quote, it is denied president trump intended to interfere with the counselling of electoral votes. that's a pretty stunning thing to say because before the rally trump himself tweeted if vice president mike pence comes through for us, we will win the presidency as in biden interfering with the electoral college votes on that day when he was on capitol hill. and at the rally as the electoral college counting was about to take place, there was this. >> we're going to the capitol. we're going to try and give our republicans the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. we're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness they need to take back our

country. so let's walk down pennsylvania avenue. >> when you look at trump's own words and the words of the rioters, trump's defense doesn't add up because the fact is the attack would not have happened if it were not for him. this is just a fact, right? he is the one who told people the election was rigged, fraudulent and stolen. there are 10,000 ways to make this case so here's just one example of what he said again and again and again over months up to the riot. >> we have to win the election. we can't play games. get out and vote. do those beautiful absentee ballots or just make sure your vote gets counted. make sure because the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. >> the only way we're going to lose this election is if this election is rigged. and he said it, and he said it again and again and again and people believed him. and if he had never saiditous

that, this would have never happened. there are 10,000 ways to make that case because the facts are the facts. there's no arguing trump is not responsible for january 6th which may be why he's not even playing his usual game he'll testify on his own behalf. when democrats offered the chance to defend himself at his last impeachment trial he replied, quote, even though i did nothing wrong i like the idea in order to get congress focused again will strongly consider it. this time he's not even saying he'll consider it because he knows as well as anyone else he did many terrible wrong things. let's get to jeff zeleny at the white house. and jeff, president biden strong words as he tries to walk a fine line on trump's impeachment trial. i find it fascinating he did not want to directly say how he would vote. >> erin, he has really always shied away from saying that. we've known for weeks he has not had the appetite for this impeachment trial. the fact of it matter is former

president trump is going to essentially take all the oxygen not out of washington next week but also out of the legislative process which president biden is trying to work through to get his covid bill passed. so we know president biden is not thrilled about this, but he didn't have a choice. had he spoken out against it, there would have been, you know, massive turmoil inside the democratic party. house democrats were sitting in the capitol on january 6th. they experienced all this. they wanted to do something. they wanted to punish the former president. so president biden has watched all this quite frankly at a bystander. he's very comfortable to be a bystander here. yes, it affects everything he does. but i'm not surprised at all he did not weigh in. that's what he has been saying since the beginning. look, he does not believe that he deserved to be in office. it's why he ran against him as he said. but his answer on this has been consistent. the reality is, though, he wants him out of the way but that's not going to happen until the impeachment trial begins next week.

and they hope it just takes a week, but it could take longer than that. the clock is ticking and running on his presidency for the first 100 days when he's trying to get some action here, and next week is going to hold it up. >> all right, jeff zeleny thank you very much. and i want to go now to matthew dowd, chief strategist for the bush-cheney campaign. when we heard joe biden speaking in that interview the president talking about intelligence briefings as well and saying that he does not think that donald trump should get intelligence briefings which a former president would be entitled to ask for and get. he said no because of his erratic behavior unrelated to the insurrection. how unusual is a moment like this? >> well, first, i thought you were going to play -- since we came on the air. but since we're not there who

passed away today, it's highly unusual. but donald trump has been a very highly unusual president. it seems logical to me if you believe donald trump is a danger and unfit to our country, why would he get some of the most important briefings that any person in the world would possibly get? and so it seems very, very logical that the president biden would sort of put his hand on it and say, listen, he shouldn't get them. and my guess is at some point a decision will be madeternally he doesn't get them. but there is no reason for donald trump to get them. he's not going to add any value. and the big question is he could actually be a negative influence on the world stage if he gets those briefings. >> i mean, that is -- i know there's been former national security -- sue gordon had written that op-ed saying she thought he was especially primed for foreign manipulation because of what he does now. as all this was happening, john, we have the impeachment trial. and the big questions here you

heard jeff zeleny joe biden obviously has been playing the same line on this not talk about how we vote because he wants it to finish and then be done. but how long do you think this will go? we're hearing it could go long every day. we don't know. even though obviously the facts have been in front of us for quite some time. >> erin, it's kind of stunning just days before the trial the senate has established no rules for the trial. but apparently schumer and mcconnell can't get together and agree upon how long this trial should run. i think the house managers would like to know. i would suspect it could run a minimum of ten days, trial days. >> wow. >> but maybe more. >> i mean that's a long time. let me just ask you in that context here, again, i guess the goal is what they're trying to accomplish. right now they don't have the republican votes for this to go through, but they may know that and still want to make a certain

point to everyone in this country. the facts have been in front of us. what would they use all that time for? do you think they're going to call witnesses? >> well, erin, i think it's important for all of us and anybody that wants to make improvements in the world and fight for justice and all the things that are important to us. is many times you fight battles you know you're going to lose. if all we did was fight battles we knew we were going to win we'd never achieve anything. i think the primary goal for democrats and as a proxy for our country is get to the truth and have some accountability. whether or not he gets convicted in my mind is the thing that is the least likely to occur and the least important in this. it's really important that we establish some level of what the truth is, who's accountable, the president in this, who helped him in the process that we may or may not know of today? and as long as that takes to do i think the country benefits. and majority of the country right now wants this to go through, wants former president

trump to be held accountable. one other point i'll make is the scopes monkey trial was a trial between fundamentalism and ignorance versus science and evolution. science and evolution lost in that battle, but in the end they won in the long battle to educate our children. just because you think you might lose doesn't mean you should not fight the battle and expose the truth to the american public. >> i like the analogy and obviously, yeah, that's a powerful analogy. so, john, you know trump's legal team has argued and i quote -- it is denied that president trump intended to interfere with the counting of the electoral votes. what's the purpose of that, john? we all know that's just false, right? he tried to interfere with the counting again and again. he tried to overturn. he tweeted that afternoon mike pence needed to go in there and stop it from happening. how can they even put something like that on paper? >> well, that's one of it

reasons i think that the house manager wanted to call trump as a witness because that very issue is at stake in this trial. he obviously did as you say try to interfere with the counting process. he tried repeatedly. he tried on levels we might not even know at this point. so i think that the brief that was filed by the trump team is very thin. they're relying totally on that vote of 45 senators who wanted to table the issue on constitutionality and pick that up later and make that the thrust of the trial. the thrust of their brief is that it's not constitutional. so they don't really want to get into these facts and try to address them when they know they can't win on the facts. >> matthew, quick final word. what kinds of witnesses do you think they should call? what john is suggesting it should be three times than the

russia trial itself for impeaching trump, who should they call? >> i'm a big advocate of call witness and don't just show video. one, it's more authentic and, two, it makes less of a show. call as many witnesses as you need the public to hear about what the facts of the case are and what the truth of this is. so call witnesses, call people that were insurrectionists that were willing to testify that say, yeah, i broke into the capitol and yeah i beat up cops because i was doing what the president wanted me to do. so the more you can connect the dots in my view with real witness, the betr for the american public to make a judgment on this about what the facts are. >> all right, thank you both very much. and next, the breaking news. president biden conceding tonight that he will not be able to raise the minimum wage to $15 through his stimulus bill because of how they're doing legislation. this as a top economists under presidents obama and clinton said the stimulus bill is too big and the price we might pay as a country would be stunningly

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seen in a generation. and he adds it will be, quote, essential to carefully consider how the choices we make now may constrain what we're able to achieve ibin the future. these are very, very significant statements to make. white house counsel of economic adv advisers pushed back in a big way. >> i think he's wrong. i think he's wrong in a pretty profound way. we have consistently said the risks of going too small are much greater than the risks of doing too much. now, that doesn't mean there are no risks engaged in the kind of work we're doing because that's always the case in an economy. what larry is worrying about here is inflation overheating. and right now we have inflation that's been below the fed's target rate of 2% for well over a decade. >> out front now larry summers, the former director of the national economic counsel under president obama and the former

treasury secretary under president clinton. so secretary, jared bernstein says you're wrong in a profound way. what do you say to him and to this white house? >> look, i think jared and his colleagues are being as thoughtful as they can in trying to make complicated judgments in a very, very difficult environment. jared's right that we should be better to overshoot than undershoot when it comes to stimulus. but that's not an argument that justifies stimulus plans of unlimited scale. and i think we've got to think very carefully about the magnitude of what we do and the composition of what we do. and when i look at our current economy where cbos predicting that we'll be pretty close to potential at the end of the year, and i see a stimulus that

in total will be 14% of gdp relative to the size of a problem, the gap five, six times as large as was the case during the obama years. ial worry about that setting off inflation pressures. of course we haven't had inflation pressures for the last two decades. that's why i've been worrying about secular stagnation. but that doesn't mean we can afford to do things on an unlimited scale. and especially it doesn't mean we can afford to do things without even beginning the process that the president spoke so eloquently about during his campaign of building back better. so, look, i'd like to see major stimulus. i want us to do -- to err on the side of doing too much rather than too little. but i think as this program

moves towards legislation we need to think about the scale -- >> so are they two times too big? what's your sense of where we should be? you know, they're talking about $2 trillion, $1.9 trillion. you're saying we haven't seen anything like that since world war ii, those are pretty terrifying ways to look at it. but if you had to put a number, what would your number be? >> i think the $2 trillion number, $1.9 trillion number would be fine if it included substantial public investment that was spread out over a number of years. >> so you're still concerned about the individual checks pumping through the economy? >> i'm sorry? >> you're still concerned sort of just the cash payments that are going to come all of a sudden to people. >> if it's all transfer payments this year, that i think is pretty -- is potentially going to be a problem. now maybe they'll have a way of

fitting it all together in some picture that i haven't seen yet and they haven't exposed -- and hasn't been fully exposed publicly. but right now it looks like very large transfers, very orynlted to this year perhaps setting a precedent for future transfers and not really including much in the way of public investment. and so i'd like to see large scale fiscal stimulus. but, you know, when president obama had a large fiscal stimulus program in 2008 it wasn't nearly as large, but it included clean energy. it included health information technology. it included substantial infrastructure. but to go much, much larger than that and not to include the investments in our future and to

do that at a time when we might be having a rapidly growing economy because of the progress we're making in covid vaccination, seems to me to run risks that we ought to be very expu explicitly considering and debating. but, look, the white house is in a complicated political position. and this is an opening bid in negotiations. so i think we need to see where it all comes out, but i do think that the concern about inflation about overheating the economy and the concern about crowding out public investment need to figure prominently in the debates. and i hope as moderates get involved in this in congress that they will figure prominently. >> all right, well, i appreciate your time. secretary summers, as always,

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tonight republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene making a mockery of the congress in which she serves. >> i've been freed. i'm fine with being kicked off of my committees because it'd be a waste of my time. >> she was elected to congress and the whole point is to serve on committees and do things for your district. being kicked off her committees takes away a lot of that pow, but hey i guess you don't want

to do the job. now 199 of her republican colleagues, though, did stand with her. only 1 of them went against her on the issue of serving on the committees. she went onto say this about the party. >> a record number of americans voted for president trump. republican voters support him still. the party is his. it doesn't belong to anybody else. >> out front now dana bash, co-anchor of cnn's "state of the union" and our chief correspondent dan eeberhart she is it is the party of trump and no one else's. >> i think she's right in the short-term. but it's going to look awful in a different way and even forcing the republicans to have a vote on this which the democrats did really is going to create a lot of problems. her stance is, her abusive and ridiculous rhetoric is really causing just giant problems for

probably 20 to 30 house members that really don't want to be primaried by a well funded trump, really don't want have to defend these actions and she's really tied kevin mccarthy in a pretzel here and the best way out and i think it's horrible for her district to have a congress person not on committees that makes them less effective. so this is big problem for the republican party all the way around. >> and to your point on that she says it will be a waste of her time. one can only hope that her voters for a real issue with that if nothing else. because you serve on committees that's why you go to congress to help your district. just on the face of it, forget anything else, that's bad that she thinks that and would say that. dana, you know, to the point dan just raised about kevin mccarthy, right, the house republican leader we've been hearing -- i know you've been hearing that he's emerged with a tighter grip than ever before.

you know, he's been under siege, right, factions supporting congresswoman greene or congresswoman liz cheney. and he's now stronger than ever in his control because he didn't take a firm stand on either of them. is it actually working? >> i mean so far. it was a tough week and toughest week that certainly he's ever had as leader. and i contributed to a story that was largely reported by michael warren and manu raju and kristen holmes which is going to come out very soon which has extensive reporting about exactly what you just said, erin. about the fact he didn't take the stand on either -- in a way he took a stand on both because he took a stand on liz cheney by saying he supported her. and he took a stand on marjorie taylor greene by not removing her from the committee and letting democrats do it. another way to look at it is that he went into the week with

a goal, and that goal was no blood. and from his perspective he came out achieving that goal. the long-term effects of the republican party particularly on the notion of not taking a stand not so much against marjorie taylor greene but against in a more clear way all of the lies that she has told and espoused along with president trump and cheerily saying qanon it has no place in our party, you know, that is very much to be determined. >> so -- >> i have a couple -- so first of all i think these 199 house gop votes for marjorie taylor greene to stay on the committees those aren't votes for her. let's be frank, those are votes for leader kevin mccarthy and support for him. that's what those are. my second point is that you saw mitch mcconnell basically speak out this week and say, look, hey i think mccarthy should have

made a different decision and really step up and try to say, hey, look, maybe i should be the leader of the republican party. it'd be extremely, extremely rare for mcconnell to step out of his lane and either advise the president or house minority leaders what to do. i think that could be something to watch and my third point is the fact speaker pelosi felt the need to basically override mccarthy's internal decision and hold this house vote which has never been done before, usually this is done by the caucus and done by the party in charge, the fact the speaker felt she needed to have this vote speaks extreme volumes about the lack of respect for her actions, lack of respect for her -- her lack of respect for the chamber and her lack of respect for her constituents. it's really been an astounding situation. >> you've seen, though, to this point about what's happening in the republican party, republican senator ben sasse now facing

censure in nebraska and he's come out and responded to that. here he is. >> the anger in the state party has never been about me violating principle or abandoning conservative policy. i'm one of the most conservative voters in the senate. the anger has always been simply about me not bending the knee to one guy. >> he's right about that, dana. right now he's not on the winning side. >> no, he's not. what you played earlier in the segment, erin, of marjorie taylor green flatthry that it is donald trump's republican party that at a high level, that is the debate right now, and you're absolutely right. that the people who are expressing fealty to trump even now that he's a former president, even now that he, you know, helped to perpetuate these

lies that ended up in a riot in a deadly riot on the building where these members serve is pretty remarkable. ben sasse is trying to kind of hold firm as are a few other high profile republicans. but there aren't that many of them, and that is -- there's a reason for that. >> that's incredible. thank you very much dan and dana, i appreciate your time tonight. and next a dating coach faces charges for his alleged role in the riot. here's his chilling message allegedly just after the attack including, quote, people died but it's just effing great. and he's one of fox businesses most watched anchors, but tonight he's off the air, canceled, gone. lou dobbs. how come?

tonight more than 180 people now facing charges related to the insurrection at the u.s. capitol including this man. his name is samuel fisher. he's a dating coach in new york city whoods online history gave gives at look at his extremist views and also why he was drawn to former president trump. >> reporter: in the violent mob that stormed the capitol building on january 6 gtd, the fbi says was samuel fisher from new york, a self-described dating coach that goes by the

name brad holiday with a website that offers a mijaujnistic and darkly mix of countless posts ranging from wild political rants to health tips on fitness, sex, fashion and more. >> you should be able to learn vario various black magic hypnosis skills. >> reporter: grievances on full display while presenting a macho chauvinist front seen in many of the insurrectionists that day. court documents show photos from fisher's facebook page including one the fbi believes was take on the step thofz capitol. in his facebook account the fbi said fisher wrote people died he wrote, but it was effing great if you ask me. seeing comes literally run was the coolest thing i've ever seen in my life. the menacing caption can't wait

to bring a liberal back to this freedom palace. on january 6th fisher had according to the fbi written got to make a stand, not going to be intimidated and posted this picture of a rifle and pistol. he wrote he expected trump to play an ace card with the deep state arrested and hanged on the white house lawn. or he writes, if biden takes over, patriots show up in the millions with guns. they execute all treasonous members of government. fisher now faces two federal charges. unlawful entry of and disorderly conduct on restricted grounds. on his website he was trying to sell what he calls an attraction accelerator, with among other things a hypnotic gaze and so-called porn star sex games. at the same time he calls women the least trustworthy people on the whole i have ever met in my life. >> if a girl's so hot you can't

tell her to shut [ bleep ] when she's talking nonsense you have a real problem, dude. >> reporter: fisher posted baseless conspiracy theories and wrote on january 6th he expected to be betrayed by congress. after the insurrection he posted this video about house speaker nancy pelosi. >> sat behind your desk, oh, i'm so sorry. that sounds really tough. >> reporter: "the new york times" reports fisher grew up in new jersey and says he was estranged from his family born jewish but was said to post an anti-semitic video. after he posted about the mother of his child leaving him fisher started drifting toward conspiracy theories. >> i mean, it's disturbing there could be such a long track record of this. what are fisher's lawyers saying to you, alex? >> well, not much.

we did reach out to his lawyer today. we did not hear back. he was arrested two weeks ago. he has a court appearance in which his lawyer said he would not be pleading guilty but so far samuel fisher has not entered a plea. >> thank you very much, alex. and next biden determined to reopen most schools within his first 100 days but still doesn't have a plan to do it. so what's happening? an assistant professor at harvard school of public health who's been talking about this for months saying how to do it safely is out front. plus fox business suddenly canceling its highest rated show. lou dobbs is out. when the chapstick goes on. it's on. get yours on at chapstick.com

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schools in a 100 days says it's not ready to release its official guidance on how to do that. it's expected next week now. but it came after the cdc indicated schools could open now. never mind in another 100 days. here's the cdc director. >> there's increasing data to suggest schools can safely reopen and that that safe reopening does not suggest that teachers need to be vaccinated in order to reopen safely. >> so the white house then tried to walk that back saying dr. walensky was speaking in, quote, her personal capacity even though what she says is backed up by all the data out there. it comes as president biden is under increasing pressure to stand up to teacher unions who are saying things like this. >> we believe that the buildings are not safe for children and for staff, and so that is correct. it won't be safe. >> right now what they're telling us and what they're

telling the world is they're not going to return back from the buildings that are in agreement that we believe protects our safety. >> out front now is joseph allen, an associate professor at the school of public health and has been saying for months students could return to school safely. you've been on, professor, with me laying this out since the beginning reopen safely and she also added that it could be done even if teachers are not yet vaccinated. >> yeah, thanks for having me back on, erin. i do agree with the doctor, first, let me see personally, i would like to see teachers prioritized for the vaccine. >> right. >> and at the same time, consistent position that an agreement with the doctor this is not a necessary precondition to getting schools reopened. what is necessary are the strict infection control measures we've been talking about, actually since i was on your show several times in july. we know the playbook what it

takes to keep people safe in schools, kids and adults. it's the basics, the good masks, good hygiene, good ventilation and good filtration. this has to be expensive. these building level fixes don't require millions of dollars and won't take many months. some of the things and tools we produced for schools show we can do this with simple actions that can be done right now. in fact, schools, i hope, have not squandered past the eighth months and started doing some of these things already. >> here is the thing. it's been a year. you know, one town in new jersey, a very wealthy town with plenty of money when you say money isn't the issue but then they still didn't go back to school. we are seeing a standoff, as you know, professor. chicago teachers threatening to go on strike and they say the last offer on the table to go back to school. in philadelphia the teachers union says don't go back to school monday and the san francisco mayor is trying to sue

to get them back to classes. what are you saying to the unions trying to keep schools closed in so many places? >> first, i understand everyone's concern. i think we all want to get back to school. how do we do this safety? one of the things we can talk about, what does the science say? we've seen a lot of good science that schools are not promoting transmission going back to last year, really. let's look at four new studies that should give us more information or confidence that it's okay to go back to school. first, thinking about kids. the risk of kids dying is literally 1 in a million. we have a study in sweden, 2 million kids followed in school, zero deaths. 100,000 teachers followed, lower risk than other occupations and surprisingly, they were not even wearing masks in school. surprisingly and irresponsible. three, back in the u.s. we have a study out of duke university. nine schools, 100,000 kids followed nine weeks of in school

classes. in school transmission was quote extremely rare and maybe most importantly, most shockingly, they found zero, zero times where kid transmitted to an adult. zero times. fourth, the study by the cdc that just came out looking in a community with high levels of community spread found that in school transmission was 30% lower than in the community. so this is why the cdc says with confidence there is little evidence that schools have contributed meanfully to community transmission. >> hopefully the calm facts and data will bring some calm to this conversation. thank you so much. i appreciate your time, professor, as always. next, fox business cancels the highest rated show after a multi billion-dollar lawsuit. (vo) we live in a world of fees. airlines, hotels, food delivery,

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breaking news, lou dobbs tonight which happens to be the highest rated show on fox business is suddenly cancelled.

dobbs pedalled false theories of election fraud is named with other fox hosts in a $2.7 billion lawsuit. brian stelter joins me now. brian, can you remember a network cancelling the highest rated show? >> this is exceedingly rare. the last thing is when fox news fired bill. that is no sign with that with dobbs. it's dobbs' extreme content that is the issue and weakness withed a -- advertisers. he was a large and loyal following that will be watching closely for his next move and that following includes me. but you know what, dobbs isn't going to be seen anywhere any time soon. fox is sitting him on the bench. they will pay him to stay off tv for the time being. >> which is incredible. i mentioned there were other fox news hosts we know included in

this smarticmatic voting machine lawsuit. any sense of whether this is related to that, their fate? >> that's definitely the next big question. i hear no imminent indication who is next. that's the clear issue within fox. this is one of those cases, erin, two plus two equals four. there is a massive lawsuit breathing down fox' next and the next day they fire lou dobbs. this is two plus two equals four but five, six and seven. he was a troublemaker for fox before spreading the lie about the election. advertisers don't want to be near him. there are a lot of factors. the biggest factor is the obvious one. the big lie about the election actually has consequences, maybe not for president trump. maybe he'll get off on the impeachment trial but for people that pedalled his lies are being held accountable.

>> incredible to think they may be but he may not. thank you so much brian stelter. finally tonight, it is national wear red day. that's why i'm wearing it, and the goal is to raise awareness about heart disease and strokes in women. heart disease is the number one killer of women. to learn more about the risk factors, please, go to wear red day.org and read more about it. thanks so much. anderson starts now. good evening. breaking news this hour, a short time ago president biden telling cbs news this about giving the former president class fified intelligence briefings. i'm quoting, there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings. the briefings are a privilege, not a right to former presidents. the president's reasoning because of his erratic behavior related to the insurrection. we'll have more in a moment because we want to start with the insurrection at the capitol. tomorrow one month will have passed as one of the most shocking incidents this country witnessed. the trama will b