along this stretch of road. that's about one every single month, john. >> wow. all right, kyung lah, thank you very much. reminder, don't miss full circle, anderson's digital news show. you can catch it at 6:00 p.m. at cnn.com or watch it on there or the cnn app any time on demand. let's hand it over to chris at "cuomo prime time." >> appreciate it, john. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. do you want to know why the democrats can't even get a deal on pandemic relief? the answer is trump. the right is in a war with itself over whether it will be defined by principles that work in a democracy or by whether they are in with a demagog. the idea of whether or not conservatives should invite trump to speak at their annual shindig brought out this divide in real time on camera. look. >> yes, he should.

>> that's up to cpac, i have been clear in my views about president trump and the extent to which following january 6th i don't believe that he should be playing a role in the future of the party. >> on that high note, thank you all very much. >> while cheney, number three, is saying what should be obvious, that they don't want the party to be linked to the ugliness of january 6th and the man who started it, mccarthy's oh, well on that high note. what do you expect, m mr. mccarthy? remember, you're the one who called trump and asked him to call off the attack on january 6th, and he mocked you. and left you to whatever your fate would be. then you still went to see him because you are betting on trump. fine. the house gop cues number three, liz cheney, actually feels that she needs to keep reminding mccarthy and her fellow

whatevers, republican, i don't know what their are. we don't know yet. but she has to remind them it's not a good look to stand with a supremacist movement that tried to bring down the democracy. listen. >> it's very important, especially for us as republicans, to make clear that we aren't the party of white supremacy. we as republicans in particular have a duty and an obligation to stand against that, to stand against insurrection. >> you think that would be a no-brainer point, but guess what, she is losing. recent polls have cheney getting less support from party members than the qanon kook. this is why the democrats can't get anywhere. it's not fair to put it on biden and say he talked about unity, where's the unity? are you kidding me? this is about the gopq and what

led to the insurrection. their decision to now go soft on a white supremacist mob. their decision to pretend it wasn't the proud boys, it wasn't the oath keepers and the qanon kooks and the guys in the maga hats who were also at the rally. no, no, it wasn't really them. okay, we won't go antifa because there's no proof of that. we kind of still feel a little shame, but we will play to another conspiracy. that's what senator ron johnson did yesterday. how can you expect the democrats to do a deal with a guy who says this? >> do you regret putting that article in? >> absolutely not. >> why not? >> it's an items account from pretty knowledgeable trained observer. there's no conspiracy theory. >> you would do it again? >> absolutely. we need the full perspective. >> you don't want the full perspective.

you will do anything, advance any lie to make trump look good. the man, a u.s. senator, read a conspiracy theory at the first public hearing on the capitol attack to misinform that the mob was trump supporters in disguise, that many of them were just families with small kids. elderly, overweight or frail. what do you see? what have you always seen? what have you only seen? left and right, you must be reasonable. you know that he is lying. and the reason why is all that matters. that's the reality. okay. and his fellow senator, okay, republican and trumplican josh hawley, he didn't wave. i always wave to crowds. this is a wave. hi, how are you doing? maybe two. hey, how are you doing?

this is not a wave. it's a fist pump and you're showing support. that's why you do it. yes, we're strong. yes, i stand with you. that's why you do it. we all know it. now, he's telling you he wasn't saluting insurrectionists. don't call them that. these were peaceful innocent lambs. >> do you regret any of your actions leading up to this, raising your fist like that? >> let me stop you right there. you called them insurrectionists. folks who i walked by when i was on my way to the house chamber were standing there, peacefully, behind police barricades, off of the plaza, the capitol of the united states. they have a first amendment right to be there. they don't have a first amendment right to riot, as some of them later did. >> that's the point. by definition, none of them were bad people before they did bad things. look, he's very smart. he's a legal expert. but this isn't about a big education. it's about an education in

telling the truth and the decency of it. okay. because some of those people did do that after he did give them a seal of approval. now, here's more indication of how that party is just not to be dealt with right now. mike pence is not going to cpac. but even he, like mccarthy, this guy who literally the president left to die, the president literally baited a mob to go find him, and they set up a gallows outside the capitol. he, too, is trying to get in with trump again. can you believe this? the former vice president told a group of conservative lawmakers yesterday, he maintains a close personal friendship with trump, and harbors no ill will over january 6th, according to indiana congressman jim banks. is that believable? no, probably not. but that makes it even more instructive of just how tore up this party is. can you imagine harboring no ill

will toward a guy who drove a mob into the capitol that wanted to kill you? seriously. seriously? no ill will toward the person who knew you were seconds away from danger and wouldn't send in the national guard, who actually then trumped -- trumped -- tweeted more provocative things about you. but what does it tell you? that's how committed to trump they are. and therefore, they can't do anything with the democrats. they can't do anything to help biden. because this is all about doing what trump wants, and that's not what he wants. and that's why things are the way they are. to the better minds, we have david gregory and michael smerconish, and look, david, i'm open. michael, you, tell me i'm wrong. but i don't see any indication of anything but let's stick with what got us here and let's just play the role of opposition the way we always do. let's try to smatter in a little bit of victimization when we can, but this is the play.

am i missing something? >> no, i mean, i think the only difference here is that a lot of these republicans would like to find their way past trump, but they don't know how to do it. you know, they think there's a way to shake hands and not get dirty by the guy. and that's the same tired play they have been making for a long time. so kevin mccarthy is so transparent in how badly he wants to be speaker of the house and win the house. i don't know what the guy's for. you know, and that he would be -- to be talked to the way that the president spoke to him on january 6th, as we have learned through that reporting, and then go to kiss his ring is such, you know, blatant politics. josh hawley, the same. so look, they may not want to be associated with trump, but they want his voters. where i think that's now morphing is, look, there's a big

fight in the republican party. they're going to fight this out and we're going to find out next year who's got the upper hand in that. and we're going to get marching orders for a lot of them from trump at cpac, but chris, i think we have to remember, trump lost. he was a one-term president. republicans lost control of the house when he was president. these are important things about the growth and the future of the republican party. maybe they're still a loud wing, but are they actually growing? are they growing in importance? i don't think they are. >> but they are growing in importance within the party. proof of performance. listen to senator romney, mike, in terms of what he says about the future of the party. >> i expect he will continue playing the role. i don't know if he'll run in 2024 or not, but if he does, i'm pretty sure he will win the nomination. >> after, we're not even two months away from january 6th, and you know what, he's not wrong. look at the polls. put up the numbers for the

people, please. november, 89%, after january 6th, 83%. david says in the voice of optimism, mike, there are republicans who want to find their way through. 40-plus of them in the senate said that it was unconstitutional to even try the guy. do you see the same optimism some may try to fight back to the original party? >> i don't see it as a republican party at war with itself. if there's been a war, then there's already been a surrender or a cease-fire, and i'm glad you brought up former vice president mike pence, because i find that to be very telling. i know that his story is that he believes in a time period of going dark after you have served at that level. i don't buy it. i think he recognizes, as mitt romney recognizes, that it's donald trump's nomination as things stand, if he wants it. and there's nothing that romney,

liz cheney, mike pence, or any of the rest of them, josh hawley, ted cruz, can do to stop it. you and i have discussed, there are intangibles that might get in trump's way, but these individuals don't control any of them. so i think that pence's attitude is one of, i'm just going to lay low for a while and stay out of this, see if he gets indicted, see if his health remains strong, see if personal debt for which he has signed gets called. i can't control any of that. >> then you have the counterpressure from hiown party, david. pick up on this point and then go anywhere you want. let's say they get rid of the filibuster because they have to, the only way they can make their progress, and look, i will probably do a special at some point one night where we're just going to talk about the filibuster because it has to have a fair hearing. i don't know when it's ever been used for good, so i want to have a fair hearing, but let's put up the tweet from alexandria ocasio-cortez. okay. this is about what they're doing with not being able to handle the flow at the border, which they haven't changed the rules.

they still can't handle the flow. they don't have the manpower, so biden, supposedly, according to hhs, is putting people in better facilities than they were in the cages. aoc says no, the left flank is angry. they want more things done. so might they have to get rid of the filibuster just to accommodate his left flank? because i don't think there's any reason to believe they'll stay with him. >> no, and i think, you know, at least give aoc and others credit for not giving anybody any due, right? you know, the administration can argue they're trying to upgrade the facilities, but they didn't give trump any room or his administration. they just said, you know, this is a draconian policy and that's it. so yeah, i mean, he may have to deal with this. and there could be other disappointments along the way that biden is going to have to manage. although i think he's doing a lot through nominations and other policy positions he's taking. and giving an airing to the left

flank so that they are actually being heard. that's what i think is a little bit different. i think he's actually managing them pretty well so far. >> they did that, this -- they, it's her, but i don't think aoc is alone and i don't even think she's the leader of any group. she's somewhat of the most vocal part of its conscience, but michael, her remedy for this is to get rid of dhs, no more i.c.e., everything that is completely going to lose you any center of the road voter, 100%, it's almost as bad as defund the police. >> yeah, exactly, you took the words out of my mouth. it is just playing right into the hands of the republicans. give them such a sound bite, and i would argue that if all of a sudden the dispute is the mattress size that kids are being afforded on the border, then it's a losing argument for democrats. and if president biden goes too far to appease aoc, he loses joe

manchin. it's like herding cats. that's the difficult task that this white house has. >> bobcats. >> can i just bring it back full circle, chris? >> go ahead. >> bringing it back full circle, i agree with michael on that. and you know, where most republicans want to be is they want to take on the left. they want to take on the excesses of the left. trump benefitted a lot from that in 2016, kind of break up the washington establishment and take on the left. i don't buy that trump is as strong as he appears to be. he won 71 million votes a couple months ago, so he appears to be strong now. i think that wears thinner, but to michael's point, people, rank and file republicans who voted for him in 2016, even if they didn't like him initially, because they feared the left, that's where the party wants to line up, and that's where they want to induce some amnesia among republicans who didn't like what trump did, particularly on january 6th, to remember oh, yeah, but the left.

we can't turn the country over to the left. >> well, look, the timing is always perfect for them, even after something like january 6th, you'll hear them put all their arms around this immigration thing and say what are you going to do to keep us safe? i don't know they have the leverage off one tweet and a few people on the left, because january 6th is a single moment of infamacy in our history. they have ignore td and they own it. thank you, gentlemen. >> so, there is now in a related story haggling over speaker pelosi's push for a 9/11 style commission to investigate the capitol attack. you see what's happening in the hearings. they're not working. you're not getting the kind of clarity that lawmakers are frustrated with the information they're getting, and it seems pretty obvious they should be, so here's what happens. senator mcconnell goes after pelosi on the senate floor because he says you said this would be bipartisan. we're not even getting an even

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house speaker nancy pelosi says she has a plan for 9/11-style commission to investigate the capitol riot. it faced pushback today, at least one aspect from it from minority leader mcconnell in the senate. listen. >> speaker pelosi started by proposing a commission that would be partisan by design. if congress is going to attempt some broader analysis of toxic political violence across the country, then in that case, we cannot have artificial cherry

picking of which terrible behavior does and which terrible behavior does not deserve scrutiny. an inquiry with a hardwired partisan slant would never be legitimate in the eyes of the american people. >> now, i know that these words ring hollow to many of you coming out of his face. but at the same time, the pelosi proposal is to have the population, the membership of the commission split 7-4 democrats. we have never seen that before. now, the democrats are also protective, because they see the gopq as in lockstep with trump over the election lies, and they don't believe that they are fair on the subject. what are we to make of this? i want to bring in democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill, spearheading a bipartisan effort to create this commission. good to see you. >> nice to see you. >> so representative, 7-4, you

were asking to give high ground, even to somebody like mcconnell on this. do you believe that's a fair split? >> well, chris, i think what we need to do is put forth a commission much like the 9/11 commission, and i have actually put together a bill along with jackie speier, who i serve with on the house services committee and has a deep expertise in violent extremism. we have reached out across the aisle and we have a bill along with representatives reed and gab areno, republicans, to have an even split so that we can move forward with the commission that the american public can have faith in. >> it has to be. you know, it's got to be even. it doesn't work any other way. you don't need me to tell you this. you have former members of the 9/11 commission, which was seen as successful, and you had tom kean, former new jersey governor, obviously, republican, and lee hamilton, former u.s. representative from indiana, they both say exactly that.

that pelosi can't have this be 7-4. it won't make sense to people. now, is the speaker open to you saying it has to be even, and what is her reason for 7-4? >> well, we have been talking about this for some time, since we conceived of the idea, and jackie and i both talked to the speaker. i think there is a real concern that members of the republican party have been so co-opted by the former president that they won't investigate the events leading up to the january 6th, and they won't get to the bottom of it, because what we're looking at is not just what happened on january 6th itself, but what actually led to that event. what were all of the pieces that led up to an angry mob attacking our capitol on january 6th, as we in congress were trying to certify the election. so there is that desire to make sure that we get to the bottom of it. but i think what this commission needs to do is also present that

to the american people, and we now have so many people who believe the president's lies that the election was unfair somehow, and we need to have this commission show the american public why our democracy is strong, why that's not the case, why this was a fair election. and i think in order for them to believe that, it has to be bipartisan. >> yes. i agree with you, but it also has to be even. because otherwise, you're coming right out of the box with given them a reason not to understand it. i get it's not your idea, and i'm not going to hold you to account for an idea that's not yours but i wanted your perspective on it. a couple other things. first, i'm worried about this talk that is growing about how much of a military presence there was among the insurrectionists. former and maybe even current. i'm very shy about this talk. i didn't like when that report came out a while ago saying that people returning from war were susceptible to radicalization. i didn't like it. i thought it had gross assumptions in it that weren't fair to our fighting men and

women, but at least 27 current or former u.s. military members have been charged with federal crimes stemming from the attack, according to an analysis of court documents and pentagon records. 11% of the 250 charged so far. do you believe that it is relevant that they are military members or are they just angry trumpers who also happen to have been in the military? >> i certainly think it's relevant as a veteran myself. i served almost ten years as a helicopter pilot. that was not my experience, granted i have been out of the military for some time, but i didn't note a strain of violent extremism, so it's very, very troubling that we are seeing these former military members involved in the attack on the capitol. and i spoke to general austin before he was confirmed as the sec def about just this issue and he takes it very seriously.

he's having what we call in the military a stand-down. military operations are critical, the timing is critical. so to take a day off out of these operations to focus woun issue is really a move to show just how much we need to highlight this. because again, i have also been talking to general milley about this, and even if it's not a large number, it's certainly something we have to root out of our military. >> right, and some of them were former also. just one other quick thing. you requested an fbi investigation last month into last month, saying you had seen some gop members giving tours before the assault. what's the latest? because i feel like that's something that should have been pretty quickly discoverable? >> well, there are ongoing investigations. i have certainly spoken to law enforcement. they are investigating it right now. as you have seen, they have been doing a great job making a lot of the connections. they are also weeding through quite a bit of information, and again, i think what's so

critical to these investigations is that we get a broader picture of what happened on january 6th and then we have a bipartisan independent commission really study all of the events leading up to it. how did we have these people become radicalized, how did they get incentivized to attack the capitol? what led to the events of january 6th? >> so you stand by that suspicion that you have about those tours? >> there were, you know, as i have said, chris, there were some suspicious things. i have turned it over to the fbi. i think based on what we're hearing about some of the members that attacked the capitol and the planning that went into it, i remain concerned but i know the fbi will get to the bottom of it. >> other than the pictures, this commission is probably the best chance, not just for history, but currently, of getting people to believe anything that doesn't go along with the trump agenda. so i hope you guys get it right. congresswoman mikie sherrill, thank you for your service to the country. thank you for coming on the show.

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all right, we're doing our vaccination effort. we're watching what's happening and we have the latest for you. the fda says johnson & johnson's single shot vaccine meets the requirements for emergency use authorization. those are those euas you hear about. that's what you need to get into the mix. so it is getting closer to getting into our arms. plus, it turns out that the vaccine may not require an

observation period post shot. that you do need with the other vaccines. that should also pick up the pace in terms of getting people shots. at the same time, the white house was surprised how few shots it will have ready to go next week. the plan was around 10 million. it's now looking like 3 million or 4 million. have you noticed this keeps going back and forth, like they say, oh, we're going to have more than we thought. the states are getting more, no, we're not. why? it's a good news/bad news reality. okay, take the daily case count. great to see it falling fast. again, you have to look at where we are compared to the height of the big summer spike. and the spike that we had after christmas. we do stupid things, and the cases go up, but they are coming down, which means what? if nothing else, we're being less stupid. let's bring in the wizard of odds, harry enten, who is running the odds. good to have you somewhere other than my office couch. more people are getting shots per day than are getting sick. that is a good rate.

that means the vaccine is beating the virus/variants. >> that's exactly right. you know, if you were to look at the number of vaccines per day we have averaged over the last week, it's 1.5 million doses. the cases per day average over the last seven days is just 71,000. so we're running well ahead with the vaccinations per day than the cases per day, and that i think is sort of the baseline of where you want to be at this point, to know if in fact we are beating the virus. obviously, the vire is probably going to be with us for a while, but we are doing what we need to do in terms of the vaccinations and i'll also point out the 1.5 million per day is well ahead of the 1 million rate per day that biden wanted to hit at the beginning of his administration. >> so the race is largely going to become a race of supply with the vaccine. we're looking at a matter of months until there's enough for everyone over 18. do you see this as a click in the right direction or is this where we said we would be or is

it underperforming? >> i think at this point we're basically where we thought we were going to be, perhaps a little bit behind, but what's so important as you look at this graphic on your screen right now is just how quickly the pace is going to pick up, right? so this is the projected covid-19 regimen delivered. you need two shots of the moderna and pfizer, just one of the johnson & johnson if in fact it gets the emergency authorization. this is the totals, the percentage of the 18-plus population. we're only at 17% right now, but delivered by the end of march, we'll be at least 51%. end of may, at least 86%, and by the end of june, we'll be over 100%. that is we'll have enough vaccines delivered in order to cover the entire adult population. so look, right now, obviously, we're not necessarily where we want to be. but i can promise you, as long as those vaccines get delivered at the pace that the manufacturers say they will, we're going to be in much better shape by the end of next months and certainly by the end of summer. >> are you worried about the

government saying we thought it would be 10 million, now it's 3 or 4? that's the second or third time that's happened. what do you make of that kind of disconnect? >> look, these are imperfect sciences. you have the vaccines have to get from the manufacturers to the nation, and then the federal government has to get them down to the states and they have to distribute them. this is something we really have never done before. the fact we are so close and the fact we have these deadlines and even if we're a few days late, we generally tend to catch up. right now, we're running ahead of the pace. it was biden who said 1 million doses per day for the first 100 days. we're running well ahead of that at this particular point, so we're running ahead of the game in my mind. >> i always worry, it's not that complicated in terms of finding out from the company how many doses they're going to have and when. that should be pretty much a consistent chain of information, and it seems to break down more often than thought. >> look, raw materials, you know, just we just haven't done this before. this is amazing. the fact that this was really only came into the news a little more than a year ago and the

fact we already have what looks like three vaccines that work, it's truly remarkable, chris. >> you're right. you know, i'm just so worried about us getting what we need and getting it into people's arms. that's the next point to make, which is we're actually getting better at what is being received and how quickly and efficiently it's getting into people's arms. how so? >> remember, vaccines getting delivered is one thing. they need be administered. if you look at the rate from where we were eight weeks ago where just 20% of vaccines delivered reached folks' arms then 51% four weeks ago, and this week 80%, that means that entire chain of getting those vaccines from the federal government to the state government and then into the arms of folks, we're getting much better at that, so the more vaccines, when we finally get those vaccines delivered, say, by the end of maerch and then te end of april and may and june, you could be much more rest assured, chris, we can get those vaccines into the arms of folks as long as people are willing to accept them. so to me, as you just look

across all of it, we're doing a better job delivering. we should do a better job deli delivering. we're doing a better job of getting the doses an midsteres. it's just a pretty good picture. it's a reason for optimism in a time that truthy is just hard to be optimistic in. >> fair point. so now, playing on optimism, how much of a boogie man is demand, meaning people's willingness to get this vaccine? it has been better to this point than was expected. we thought we would have a real problem with people wanting it. early numbers were 50% to 60% didn't want it. where does it stand now? >> look at this. this is from the gallup poll, would you take a free covid vaccine right now if it was made available to you. among democrats, we have seen this massive increase from just 53% at the end of september to now 91% of democrats who would take it. here's the problem, there really does seem to be this partisan split where republicans, only about half say they would take it.

that's the number one thing to worry about right now. will those republicans who are vaccine hesitant come aboard later on in the process. >> this is such a weird thing. i wonder how republicans will read this, the ones in congress right now. they should be at like 99%. trump told you this was the magic pill. he told you you didn't have to worry about masks, about social distancing. the cases would disappear or the vaccine would save us all. now you dont want it? harry enten, thank you for combing through the numbers. thank you for playing to the optimism. thank you, brother. >> so look, the practical problem right now, i hear from you all the time here and on the radio, and yes, your concerns will be represented, and right now. the vaccine is out there, it's coming to your state in bigger numbers than ever, but you can't get it. there are three key factors in answering that. what color is your skin, where do you live, and how much money do you make? here's why. black and hispanic people are still getting a

disproportionately low number of shots. why doesn't the federal government earmark a certain number of these doses for them? we'll discuss with a big expert in a second. they are also seeing too many people in their communities dying proportionately. it is a reality that we see state by state. the three states getting the most vaccine when you adjust for population are alaska, south dakota, and new mexico. all three of them are less than 5% black people. those are also the three highest in terms of percentage of people with at least one shot. it's either the more shots you have, the more you can get people vaccinated or the more shots you put into arms the more the feds send you. you see what i'm saying? so just because your state is getting the supply, it doesn't mean you can get the shot. that's because each state sets its own guidelines on who, where, and when. and it can be maddeningly

difficult to keep track. let's just look at the tristate area here in the northeast. okay. because lots of people across and back and forth across state lines and a lot of them are doing it for this reason and they're not supposed to. a 60-year-old bus driver can get a shot in new york but not in new jersey or connecticut. a 45-year-old fifth grade teacher, yes, in new york, no in jersey. in connecticut, it will be a yes on monday but only at some clinics. then there's a 35-year-old smoker which actually makes it easier for you to get the vaccine, i know it makes people upset, but it's an absolute health risk. you're rewarding them for smoking. you want them to die? it's yes in jersey, no in connecticut, and in new york. but even within your state, it's not a level playing field. the data shows the more money you have, the more likely you're going to get a shot. why? look, that's a longer conversation, but let's just prove it's true. look at california. in the state's wealthiest county, 16% of the population has gotten the shot.

but in the poorest county, it's barely more than half that. in d.c., vaccination rate in the wealthiest two wards, more than double the two poorest. it's going to take some big brains to figure this out. or at least to get me past my suspicion, which is this is how the system works. you know? the song from leonard cohen, everybody knows, right? the rich get rich, and the poor stay poor. how to fix it? let's get on big brains. dr. ashish jha, dean of public health at brown. doctor, good to see you. >> thanks for having me on. >> first, to qualify why i call you a big brain, brown university. so i'm talking to this friend of mine the other day who was trying to fix some of the things wrong with my body, and he said hey, my kid is doing great at brown. they have no cases. that ashish jha got it right. i didn't even know about this. put up the statistic please and then explain the campus positivity rate is .15.

the rhode island rate is 2.1. i thought colleges were supposed to be worse. what did you get right up there, and are any other people taking your lead? >> yeah, so chris, we decided we're going to follow the public health science. things you and i have talked about for the whole last year. we put in strict mask mandates. made sure that people weren't bunching up together indoors. we held classes all through the fall, we're holding classes in person now. but the other big thing we did, this is not magic, we did really aggressive testing and tracing. like we put in a really good testing and tracing program, and as soon as somebody gets infected, we identify them, isolate them, do contact tracing, and we make sure that one infection doesn't end up becoming a big outbreak. it's not rocket science. it's just basic public health science. we decided that we would do it. >> what is the biggest thing we can do to stop the systemic inequality we're seeing with vaccines, and is that thing earmarking from the federal side a certain number that must go to

those communities and into those arms so people can't cherry pick the appointments? >> yeah, so chris, i think the biggest issue on this, you know, is look, we come up with the best plan in the world, but we live in a deeply inequitable society. when those plans are implemented, we see the kind of outcomes we're seeing. and my argument has been that this -- you don't achieve equity by chance or by randomness or by hope or prayer. you do it through proactive engagement and action. we just haven't done that. we have not prioritized those communities. we have not sent in people to do outreach and help people get into the vaccine clinics and get vaccinations, and we have not used community health centers and churches and all the social organizations that have so much trust in those communities. you don't do any of that stuff, no surprise we are where we are. >> you have to treat it like you want their vote. you have to go get it. dr. ashish jha, good on you for

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a new faa directive has effectively grounded all boeing 777s. the ones that carry the same engine or the same kind of engine as the united flight that failed and erupted in fire midair on saturday, thank god it wasn't a catastrophe. should that have happened sooner? cnn is learning tonight that just days before that denver

flight, federal regulators had met about requiring more frequent inspections of the same type of engine. that faa review was apparently prompted by another engine failure in japan back in december. it's remarkable passengers aboard landed safely. there were no injuries reported from that mile long trail of debris across colorado. officials say this new investigation could take more than a year. let's bring in former faa administrator michael huerta who also sits on delta airline's board of directors. good to see you. >> good to see you, chris. >> so, you could take this two ways. one is, aha, you knew you had a problem and you moved too slow. or, they have been on top of this and monitoring and now they know they have to do more for this kind of engine in terms of how many cycles or how many starts of the engine go by

before you check it. how do you see it? >> i see it as the latter. there is a doctrine in aviation called continuous operational safety. as an aircraft enters service, as it completes operations, you learn more. and as aircraft get older, you increase the frequency of inspections. and so they were following up on the december incident and they were looking at tightening up the inspection protocols for this engine. yesterday they issued their worthiness directive that effectively grounds the fleet until very detailed inspections can take place. >> please engage the suspicion that the japan event happens. you know that it's the fan blades and that this is something that's happened. somebody knows because you guys know the engine so well, you should have grounded them all right then instead of waiting, and that's why this happened. >> i think that it's important to look at the full scope of the 777 fleet.

this has been an incredibly successful aircraft program. there are over 1600 of these that are flying around, and this particular problem relates to a very small subset, many of which are on the ground already as a result of the pandemic. i think that what they were doing was a very thoughtful and a very detailed analysis. what this had the effect of doing is requiring not only an inspection that would take place after a certain amount of cycles, but effectively what the administrator has decided is they need to baseline this entire segment of the fleet, 725 airplanes. and i think that's a conservative move, but i think it's prudent given the age of these aircraft, and what they want to ensure is that they have a very clear picture, the condition of these engines, and to ensure that there's no threat to safety. >> two more quick things.

one, 6500 cycles, a cycle is when you start one of these turbine engines. to make it apples to apples, that is a lot longer in between checks than people are used to with their vehicles. why is that okay? >> well, a cycle is one take off and one landing. and so it's based on what the analysis shows of the expected life of the parts that are there. >> right. >> they put a conservative buffer into it. and these are incredibly well engineered precision machines, and -- >> i'm saying just to understand the issue, commissioner, 6500 to 1,000 makes it sound like that 6500 was crazy if you needed to reduce it by that much. >> not necessarily, because, again, recognize that this particular aircraft and this class of aircraft are 26 years old. so just like in your car, a new car is going to require less

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little gut check to end this show on what we focus on versus what we ignore. bruce springsteen, you remember how he was chased all over the place? had his super bowl commercial pulled? god forbid we see a message of unity in this country. g pulled it because he was accused of a dui after this. now they're going to resume

using the ad. turns out everybody had it wrong. charges were dropped. oh, because it's bruce springsteen. yeah, bruce springsteen with a blood alcohol level .02, well below the legal limit in new jersey. he pled guilty to drinking in new jersey sandy hook national recreation area despite knowing it was prohibited. had nothing to do with drunk driving. so all that attention to that. one year since ahmad arbery's death. one year, no trial date. you remember him, the georgia jogger? wasn't dressed like a jogger. he was a jogger and he was shot and killed while on a run. despite the murder being on camera, the case still hasn't gone to trial. the trial of derrick chauvin starts next month. chauvin, you forgot the name, right? because the cameras left minneapolis after george floyd's death.

did you hear that 157-page report? they found officers in colorado had no justified reason to stop elijah mcclain. or to use multiple choke holds on the young man. what we ignore we empower. we captainn't ignore the realitt has taken too many young black lives any more. that is a message for me and for you. thank you for watching. the big show, cnn tonight, big star, big head d. lemon. >> that's why thus black lives matter. that's why people -- that's what it started, for that sort of injustice. i do have to say i wasn't going to do this, that was the impetus for this book. that was george floyd, originally ahmaud arbery and george floyd and breyonna taylor. let me tell you something. i think that, listen, both were very important. we are covering ahmaud arbery and then george floyd happened. the cameras went away from