there are a wide range of philosophies in the republican party and they embrace that and romney and family have a long history and connection to the state of utah. that seems to continue. he is not up for re-election until 2024. it is a while off before there would be electoral consequences. >> reminder, don't miss full circle, catch it streaming live at 6:00 p.m. eastern full circle or on the cnn app or on demand any time. the news continues now. chris right now with cuomo primetime. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." before we start tonight let me say something i am sure that is obvious to you that watch my show, and thank you for that. you are straight with me. i will be straight with you. obviously i am aware of what is going on with my brother. and obviously i cannot cover it because he is my brother. now of course cnn has to cover it.

they have covered it extensively and they will continue to do so. i have always cared very deeply about these issues and profoundly so. i just wanted to tell you that. there is a lot of news that is going on that matters also. so let's get after that. this convention over the weekend was more like a coven. all kinds of wicked notions of how to avenge trump's loss and notions of how to punish those in the party who are not already on bended knee. the key to this commitment is changing what happened on january 6. now, as i said here many times, and i know that you all agree. january 6 must forever live in infamy. no one can be allowed to change the reality of it, certainly not

for political convenience. and that is what we are seeing on the right. five people killed, two officers took l lives after. 140 in law enforcement were injured or maimed. there is one reason why. this. >> this election was rigged. the supreme court and other courts didn't want to do anything about it. >> this is a lie. it is the same lie that nearly led to the death of our democracy on january 6th. now trump will never change. he only knows how to burn things down. this is about who and what remains.

and once again his party sits silent. and the silence supports his sickness. you heard mitch mcconnell last week after saying that a criminal prosecution may be an option for trump's riling up of a mob and lying to them that even he will back trump if he is the nominee in 2024. now look, that is mcconnell's right. but it is not right for anyone to lie about the worst attack on our democracy just to make things okay for trump and his co-conspirators. nikki haley, remember her. the next wave of hope for the parties future. couple of weeks ago she was quoted as saying trump went down a path he should not have and we

can't ever let that happen again. now, since then we get to cpac, and nikki haley, praises trump's address that you just heard and it being littered with dangerous lies. strong speech by president trump about his administration and what the party needs to unite behind moving forward. that means nikki haley thinks it is all right to unite behind the idea that trump won the election and showing no remorse for sending a violent mob to help him to overthrow our democracy. she also says that there is not going to be a gop civil war after hearing trump rattle off an enemy's list for her party to ex communicate because they chose country over him. listen.

mitt romney, bill cassidy, lisa murkowski. susan collins. the warmonger, someone that loves to see the troops fighting, liz cheney. get rid of them all. >> that was the abbreviated list. you know who wasn't on it? the extremists. the rot on the right is that january 6th was done by antifa, left wing agitators. now a dozen of those charged in connection with the attack said that antifa had nothing to do with this. there is no evidence otherwise. that is compelling to any degree. they are also trying to pin it on nancy pelosi who some in the mob were hunting to assassinate that day.

trump is blaming her for lack of security. on hate tv. and lying about his actions on that day. >> i wasn't watching tv. you know, we said to the department of defense, the top person days before. because that rally was massive. i said that i think he should have 10,000. i think i gave the number. i definitely gave the number of 10,000 national guard. they took that number from what i understand and gave it to the people at the capitol controlled by pelosi and rejected it because it didn't look good. >> it is just b.s. he resisted desperate pleas from help and even from his own guy in the house, kevin mccarthy. you saw the reporting from other

republicans that heard the call. these are your guys, call them off. well, i guess they care more about the election than you, kevin. he was rooting for the rioters. he said had e loved them. he was still attacking his own vice president while the mop was hunting him. the proof is they echoed trump's call. they want no more mail-in voting. rules that must be changed to suppress the vote. a staggering 253 bills in states all across the country that were designed to make it harder to vote. compare that to 35 such bills this time last year. today it was georgia trying to make it harder to even get a ballot. they are trying to crackdown in places they won like iowa, reducing hours that polls are

open. fewer days to vote early. these problems are our future. if there is not something done to change them. let's turn to better minds, lawyer laura coats. politicals and then legal implications. thank you both. michael, the play here to try to sanitize january 6th, is this going to work. the idea of minimizing the reality to maximize the future? >> yes. in some quarters it will. 73% of republicans according to a survey from last month believe that there was widespread fraud. i mean we had record-high turnout in the election. 66.8% of those eligible and many of us celebrate that so many

participated. but others shutter at the idea of participation from so many americans. now you have this test, ballot security or oppression. it is directly tied to the events of january 6th and republicans are seek to capitalize it. going forward. >> the 253 some odd bills. winning state legislatures and governorships over the years. this is the fruit of that. they control states. what do we know about the bills? >> what we know is the idea of understanding what formula works. if you are in power and want to retain it, make sure that people do not have access to the polls and engage in things that are voter suppressive-like.

including voter id. the idea of trying to perpetuate the big lie and the method by saying that fraud is so extensive. the only way to solve it is disenfranchise along racial lines to go as far as to make a cure with the case of north carolina a few years ago with surgical precision where you identify those areas that will lead to go precisely that route. >> what is the line about where measures may fail on federal review? >> well, you know the supreme court hasn't been very kind in terms of recognizing the idea of voter suppression of late. we know the shelby county case where they gutted the formula

meaning the justice department given the history of discrimination in certain areas. or a literacy test. around the same time. they were able to get the preauthorization for making any election related change. even the same day they said let me begin the process of doing all of the things i could have gotten away with. had hi to get the express consent of the department of justice. i was a member of the voting team there. it is really not rocket science. the idea of promoting a false lie of election integrity trying to do the very things they did before the voting rights act was in existence.

>> early voting is usually overweighted republican. that changed during the pandemic. you can't blame republicans when the president kept telling them not to. what is the play here in terms of disenfranchising their own? >> well, take a look at my home state of pennsylvania. you know, we have been living in the stone age until the last two years. i never thought i would see absentee balloting without cause but it appeared the republicans were ahead and here came the ballots cast by mail. there is now a challenge to take back the right that we were given so that we could vote absentee without cause. it's a great illustration. tomorrow in the u.s. supreme court there will be argument

from arizona that might set the parameters how the cases will be evaluated going forward. my hope is clear instruction. i fear what is coming in 2022 and 2024 as a result of what you are raising tonight. >> this also plays into the politics of the filibuster. the only way you will have any federal legislation that opposes these measures, subject to federal legal review is that if they get rid of the filibuster. it will never happen otherwise. thank you both very much. the job is to expose lies, right. you know when people are falling for lies. now you recognize them as a lie and you think about that when you see this woman.

>> it is my hope that president trump comes back as the 19th president. >> obviously she is mistaken. but she did not misspeak. there is a new element. it's the rot on the right. not just because it is that but it is instructive. this is not a one-off qanon lady who found her way in to congress. conspiracies are becoming a part of conservative orthodoxy at a fever pitch leading them to believe that something is supposed to happen this week. what, why and the risk next.

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what are your thoughts on the violent insurrection insighted by trump at the capitol. >> that was all the left. there is tons of proof.

>> january 6th was a plan that was pre-planned by the democrats. >> i knew it was pre-organized by antifa. >> i would call it a movement by the communists to make it look like trumpers did it. >> so many trump supporters arrested. >> i don't believe that. you prove that to me. whatever you guys say, i don't believe any of it. >> they are in denial about what happened on january 6th and some believe in qanon. >> it is only getting worse. trump supporters are still in denial. in fact, the denial is growing. about the election and the january 6th insurrection. just think about that, how wicked that is to try to use january 6th to advance a lie.

the conspiracies are wild. but they don't stop what you just heard. many of the same people believe that the former president will come again and he will be back in power in the near future. now to the man you just saw brave enough to ask the questions. people aren't always happy to answer them. or treat him in a good way. good to have you, sir. >> thanks, chris. >> you are in strange waters here. the efforts in that conspiracy community to push the big lie about the election. what do we know now? >> qanon believers are obsessed with the idea that the military is on former president trump's side. we saw that when they were convinced martial law would be declared.

some are getting the sense of reality that march 4 will not happen. they are pushing it forward to another date. some brought up myanmar. they said see what is happening in myanmar. they were cheering on a military coup where 18 people were killed yesterday. cheering that on and wanting to see it happen here in the united states of america. these are the trump supporters that call themselves american patriots. >> i bet they didn't bring up what happened in france. wts with the former president. sentenced to jail for the power meddling he was doing. why march 4?

i can see the ids of march. what is that date about? >> so, i will try to summarize this for you. they believe the last legitimate u.s. president was president grant who was inaugurated on march 4 some believe trump will come back as the 19th president. the president after grant. don't ask if they thought trump's last term was legitimate. too much rational to bring in the statement. they have been obsessed with this. a lot of qanon followers have not bought into the march 4th stuff, but they still believe trump will come back and that is an important point to make. not all trump supporters are qanon followers. the people we spoke to since the elections over the past week at cpac over the weekend and in california. pretty much everybody has bought into the big lie, the conspiracy

theory that the former president continues to perpetuate that he in some way did not lose the election. that big lie then gives license to so much other ugly stuff like what we saw on january 6. they are talking nonsense but really believe that stuff. maybe before january 6th we say it's rhetoric and that's stupid. we can see now this sort of talk sometimes leads to violence and action. >> we saw it january 6th. thank you for braving that situation. and we take note of it. a third vaccine will start going in to arms this week. that is progress and that is good. a big warning from the director of the cdc on what is threaten to wipe out all of the recent gains. what it is and what we can do about it.

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things are moving in the right direction. nearly 8% of the population is now fully vaccinated. when you get the johnson & johnson single shot it doesn't have to be kept as cold. when that starts to get delivered as early as the morning the numbers get higher, faster. light at the end of the tunnel, true. that light is no longer the train. the case trend speaks for itself. take a look. weeks we had tumbling cases. new infections are on the rise again. about 2% more this past week compared to the previous. why? the cdc director spoke to that and gave a warning. >> 2,000 daily deaths. hear me clearly.

at this level of cases with variants spreading we stand to completely lose the hard-earned ground we have gained. >> all right. you have got fatigue. nonchalant. you have concerns over vaccine equity. especially with the one-shot wonder, giving it to harder to reach communities makes sense. you only need one shot. but does it drive the perception of a two-tiered vaccine system. let's bring in dr. zeke emanuel, author of "which country as the world's best health care," which is a really good read. >> nice to be here. >> you want to send the j & j to the poor communities because it is not as effective and risky for the people you really want to help. you are giving it to the poor

communities and they are not going to take it. >> absolutely false. if i were offered it i would take it in a heart beat. as a matter of fact this weekend a friend of mine from college e-mailed me saying i have a scheduled appointment. should i take it. absolutely. take whatever -- >> it's only the 60%. 66%. the others are in the 90s. >> that is not the right statistic to look at. you can't compare those head-to-head for a variety of reasons. the johnson and johnson was done during a different time with the variant in south africa. i prefer to look at it like why do we want a vaccine? to prevent us from getting severe illness, hospitalization and death. you look at the study by johnson

& johnson, nobody that got the vaccine died or was hospitalized in 38 days. after 28 days out of 38,000 people. five people in the placebo arm were hospitalized or died. that is very important. as a matter of fact in none of the vaccine studies did anyone that got a vaccine die. those are the important end points that you really care about. and many fewer people who got the johnson & johnson had severe covid. not hospitalized. these are important results and those results people should focus on. >> another category of what to believe. the cases are going down. vaccines are going up. states are opening up. everybody is making it easier to get out there and get the economy going. now we hear about the spring surge and the cdc director

saying that this is no time to abandon or loosen anything up. which is it. everything is going the other way and you are telling us to be worried about that. what are people supposed to believe? >> last week some of my colleagues on the biden transition advisory board and i wrote an op-ed in the "new york times" saying we should not let up. we should not ease up. indoor dining and big grews. and mask mandates. we have to hold on for another two or three months in this condition. we hit the peak january 21st. we are down but having on average 2,000 deaths a day. we cannot become in that. if we ease up too early they will reverse and go up. you pointed out they have already begun to sneak up

because we are relaxing and celebrating how good we are. having 65,000 cases and 2,000 deaths a day is good because it's on the downward part of the curve but it is not great. it's worse than last april. >> do you think maybe the science has now lost to the social pressure and the balancing of equities in the regard that it is going down. vaccines are going up. only a fall fraction die. the cases are getting better because people have less load from mask wear. we had enough. not going back. only going to go forward. >> chris, if we were asking people to hang on for another year, right. next march. next march. i would understand that. that is not what is at issue. a couple or three more months we have enough people vaccinated that we can phase in more normal

life. by the end of september orr october have a real return to normalcy. that is not too much to ask. really what is at stake by taking off the mask and by dining indoors really is thousands of peoples lives. that does not seem like a very big burden to save others lives and maybe even your own if you happen to get covid and react badly. >> what is your chance of selling that message in a country full of 70% that voted for former president trump believed the election was rigged. they are the ones that see any type of compliance as weakness. what is the chance of selling the message? >> a good question. i prefer to see the glass as half full. poll republicans, they support president biden's american rescue plan.

they understand the country is hurting and needs to get back to full production and normalcy. the best way to get there and the fastest way to get there is to add here to the public health measures three or four more months so we don't have to have more severe measures because the virus has gotten out of control. i do think a lot of the people that voted for trump responded to president biden's message. to dr. fauci's message. and i think that they are, you know, wearing masks. they are social distancing. they understand the importance. we have to not have governors quickly say it is getting better. we need to have the number of

cases very, very low. not 65,000 a day. >> i appreciate the straight talk dr. zeke emanuel. big week in the senate. covid relief package will move, what will happen with the minimum wage fight. a lot of democrats believe this is how they and biden got elected. it might seem pointless to get a pay hike attached to the bill. but what do the numbers show. are they making the case to the people. the wizard of odds has a story to tell you next. i just don't have the bandwidth for more business. seriously, i don't have the bandwidth. glitchy video calls with regional offices? yeah, that's my thing. with at&t business, you do the things you love. our people and network will help do the things you don't. let's take care of business. at&t.

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you can make the case that democrats, and even republicans would be smart to keep their focus on the minimum wage issue. why? it is a lefty issue, isn't it? no. voters on the left and right are struggling and desperate and now hungry. you see it in the polls. they support it more than they supported biden or trump in the election. to prove it, the wizard of odds for a look at the numbers. good to see you, my friend. sell me, who says that the minimum wage is popular? >> you saw the polls.

forget the polls for a second. i know a lot of you don't trust the polls. but look at florida in the past election. there was a $15 minimum wage on the ballot that got 61% of the vote. that was more than either trump or biden. and you saw it doing well across the state in places like miami-dade, 70% of the vote. where joe biden struggled for a democrat. we see it in the actual election results, not just some artifact of the polling. in florida, democrats would be really smart to keep pushing the $15 minimum wage. >> why? >> here are two reasons why. number one, look at republicans. i think it gives you a very good understanding of where their support is for the minimum wage versus their support for joe biden. 32% of republicans support a $15

an hour minimum wage and just 11% of them approved of joe biden's job performance. how about non-college white voters. democrats want to make in roads with them. 33% approved of biden in the poll but 47% approved of a $15 minimum wage. if democrats want to make real divisions in the republicans ranks and grab the non-college white voters they have been desperately trying to get back over the last few election cycles, a $15 minimum wage is something i would be pushing hard if i were the democrats in the senate. >> you at homer like why not 10 or 11. do the numbers on $15 an hour for yourself, times 40. you know, do the 50 weeks. then you start reducing it by a 10% cut in taxes. you net it down by how you live your life. look how little money we are talking here. you see a division within the republican party.

the florida numbers do not match up with the national numbers. what do we know about republicans on the issue. are they all of one voice? >> they are not, chris. you look at the united states and see so few senate republicans supporting it. i wonder whether or not it is because most of the united states senators are wealthier. what we see among republicans nationwide is that it really does depend on family income. the pugh research center put out a poll on this. if the family income is $75,000 or more, 34% of republican leading independent support a $15 minimum wage. jump down to $40,000 to $74,000 per year, you see the minimum wage, you see the support increased to 41%. you go to family increases less than $40,000 a year. a clear majority, 56% support a

republican leaning independents within the group support $15 an hour minimum wage. i wonder whether or not it is a situation where we do not see the minimum wage breaking strictly along partisan lines and a lot of the republican senators who are not willing to support that are not representing their voters who make significantly less money than they do. >> the proof of your supposition would be in what areas of the country would a raise in the minimum wage do the most. bernie sanders likes to say 32 million workers are affected by this. where are they? >> a lot of them are in the southern united states. >> red states or blue? >> red states. the southern united states is a lot of red states and a lot of the voters are not necessarily republicans. two states that sell the picture. look at arkansas and missouri, right. what you saw in both states.

you had ballot measures in 2018 for higher minimum wages. they were not $15. but in arkansas they passed an $11 minimum wage. 68% of the voters there supported that. their senator tom cotton wants a $10 minimum wage federally. that is craziness, right. you saw the voters in his own state overwhelmingly support a very deep red state like arkansas, and you do see the split within the republican ranks, right. josh hawley is supporting the $15 minimum wage for big business. another state a $12 wage per hour pass with 62% in 2018. we see in a lot of the red states, florida. you see it in arkansas and missouri. when it is put to the voters, they do support higher minimum wages. but it seems like the republican senators from the same states do not. and, you know, i just have to think they are going more along the partisan lines more than

listening to what the voters in the state want. the voters want it. we have seen it over and over and over again. a higher minimum wage than right now is quite popular. that is if i am the democrats i keep going after it even if it can't pass. good politics even if it is not good policy. >> there is no finesse. nobody talks about different rates in different states. and different regions. or big business and small business. it is very interesting, especially when it is so important to so many. thank you for making it clear during the segment with the numbers. that is why you are the wiz. >> i try my best. >> i am going to take some of harry's ideas and use them with a big player in the minimum wage fight. a democrat who is helping to push this through. congresswoman will be here to make the case. right back. facing leaks takes strength, so here's to the strong,

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i hope democrats are paying attention to the politics of this relief bill. because i think it's a big instruction for you about what it's going to take for you to

get enough things done to keep the very slim numbers of margin you have right now in the midterms. so the senate moves to pass its own version of biden's nearly $2 trillion covid relief bill, but the pressure is very much on. why? the minimum wage. it's a key sticking point. the senate parliamentarian has already ruled it has to be nixed. but the left flank of the party is in the house, remember. they're not buying it. even after the white house said publicly, we have to respect the ruling. so what does this mean? what's next but then what's really next for the party? let's bring in the woman who is spearheading the effort. democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal. good to have you. >> great to see you, chris. >> you're in the house, strong voice, growing in influence. the senate, different story. the white house comes forward and says basically pramila, i hear you. we'll find another way. not on this one. can't rock the boat. probably can't get 50 votes to rock the boat which you would

need to overturn the parliamentarian. is that good enough for you? >> no. i mean, chris, harry made the point on the show with you just now. this is an incredibly popular and populist policy. and it's not true that we can't get it done. we've had hubert humphrey who overruled the parliamentarian. it is an advisory opinion from the parliamentarian. it doesn't have to be rule. hubert humphrey overruled the parliamentarian twice, in 1967 and 1969. roosevelt as vice president overruled the parliamentarian in 1975. we can do it. we must do it. it is popular. it will lift 32 million people out of poverty including a lot of those republican states. and we have to be able to go back to sxroerts deliver, chris. >> i hear you. i mean, it is -- i'm not taking a position on the minimum wage. although i really do think it's sad. i said in the last segment, i say it almost every time we talk about this. do the math in your own head of what $15 an hour times 40, times 50 is, and you take out 10% for taxes.

12%, food. all the different things. look at how much money we're talking about that people should have. what they'll say is we don't pick winners and losers. the hell we don't. we do all kinds of things for that. this is what i'm saying, though, representative. the president just told you no, this is over, i'm not going to do what you want. so what does that mean for the left flank in the house in >> well, what we're saying is we are going to have to deliver on this promise that we ran on and we told voters you deliver us the house, the senate, and the white house and we will give you a raise that you haven't gotten in 12 years. we'll lift 1.3 million out of poverty and lift the wages of 32 million. that's what we promised. if we're not going to do it in the reconciliation bill, we'll have to reform the filibuster. those are the only two ways. you heard harry. even in states where this is popular, where people want it, republican senators are not for the vast majority of them, are not going for it. >> what if you offer them --

>> to get 60 votes is crazy. >> what if you offer them a hybrid model on the minimum wage where you take a look at regions, states, affordability, and then different size businesses, and so it's not just as simple a sell as one number. maybe the top is $20 an hour and maybe the bottom is 10 depending on the state be, the region, the requirements of that nature and the types of businesses and what their margins are. has anybody ever thought of doing it that way? >> yeah, it's been proposed over and over. i'm from washington state. we were the first state in the country to tie minimum wage to inflation. that was in 1998. and there were a lot of questions about regional minimum wages, how were we going to compete with states next door. it came up then when seattle became the first major city in the country to pass a $15 minimum wage in 2014. and we talked about it again there. regional minimum wages really don't work because there are -- you can't even do it by regions, right? there are differences all along the way.

but look, we already have a minimum wage that's going to be different because in seattle we're already at $15. so this just raises the floor. the ceiling doesn't fall in when you raise the minimum wage. we've seen that over and over again. the floor lifts for the bottom most vulnerable low-wage workers in the country. >> you said 75 -- hubert humphrey was in the late '60s. '75 was rockefeller. obviously. not roosevelt. you know that. >> i said roosevelt. sorry. >> you know why roosevelt is in your mind. we've never had as many hungry people in this country as since roosevelt and the great depression. >> that's right. >> but you know what will be interesting, and i said to you before, and i hope you think i'm making good on the promise to have you back to discuss these issues. i want to hear what the politics are the next time you come on of saying to them you tell us how you get it done in a separate bill or you promise us to get rid of the filibuster. rife got to go right now, though. but you're welcome back, representative, to discuss this as always. >> thank you, chris. >> all right. be well.

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