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volunteers that are testing and they are providing hotel space for anyone that tests positive. the question we have not gotten a clearance to is how many are in the hotels. they cannot force them, but they are urging them to go there. they have gotten false positives on the tests. so, all of this unclear and speaks to what is definitely starting to change rapidly on the borderer. >> thank you very much. a reminder, don't miss full circle, anderson's digital news sh show. let's go to chris for cuomo pr primetime. >> it's good that you bled over in to my show. hold my program for a second. ed is right, what governor abbott in texas has been saying is really poisonness, yes,
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biden, overturning and reversing the trump programs about how the control flow and how quickly to send somebody back with out due process in many cases is a factor in sending a message that is going to increase flow over the border. that's true. they have to find ways to handle that flow, and find programs to deal with it. you could argue that they did it all too quickly, it's a political discussion. when it comes to covid, it is a trickle, the number of people they have coming over. they are getting false positives on the test and more importantly abbott will not receive the funds from the federal government to do the testing. so, if you are going to complain that there's some kind of plague coming across, it's an extension of the trumpry, the brown menace, you won't test them but you worry about them having covid. it's a ploy. it would be hard for biden to do worse. thank you, have a great weekend. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to
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primetime. we have to expose those things that are not true and that feeds division. that's the metaphor on the floor of the senate. the good news, we have a deal among the democrats on the relief bill, on the day long st standstill. we are in what we call vote-a-rama, meaning senators can offer as many amendments as they want. so it will be another long night , the republicans see it as a delay machine like ron johnson having bill read was a delay measure. the holdup was not because of the toxity of the gop-q, as i call them. the 50/50 senate was in flux because of a democrat. i'm not ascribing any blame, it's the dynamic on the left.
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it's not a sure thing that you get all 50 senators. senator joe man sh hun had was arguing for what workers got what kind of tax relief based on how much unemployment help they get. and you know, maybe you are working part of the year and not part of the year, how does it deal with taxing. who is getting advantaged and disadvantaged and that's what it was about. and he said that we have reefrped a compromise that enables the economy to rebound quickly and protect those receiving unemployment benefits from being hit with an unexpected tax bill next year. those making less than $150,000, and receiving unemployment, because you don't work the full year. you are out of work, you get unemployment, and you get work again and then make money, how do they get taxed. those people will be eligible
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for a $10,200 tax break. his concern were that people that worked would be disadvantaged compared to people who just were unemployed. unemployment benefits will be extended through the end of august. i'm worried what we are seeing here, with that pocket of people who are center left in the senate, is a window in to divisions among democrats that may make the filibuster not the biggest problem in getting important legislation through. now, to be sure, president biden cannot count on the right side of the aisle, which is literally, pretending. first it was january 6th. now it's the pandemic.
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addresses the fight against the virus itself. we are on track to bounce back from this crisis. it's because of our work last year. >> no, it's despite last year mr. senator, and you know it. mcconnell is being misleading in the extreme. money for vaccine, distribution, medical services, it all matters urgently and they should not have delayed it in the first bill. we will get to it soon. to assume that anything other than medical costs is not covid related is absurd. it's a economic relief bill due to the health care crisis is. he knows it, of course we are in a rush. people are in a rush. people are starving like never since the great depression and he knows it even in his home state of kentucky.
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he is slow walking this because he cares about political position more than that pain. give me a reason. why was it. now, they have the senator of the party that denied the pandemic. remember the economy cratered and they delayed action to the point that it was extreme and that's why the economy cratered, now he is taking credit for the bounce back. to be clear, the republicans lost the presidency for two main reasons. the big one, is that they cost money and lives. people like mcconnell backed the most offensive and divisive
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president in modern history, looking at what is going on in the senate right now highlights a fundmental challenge. the need for biden to be more in front on trying create progress and seeing if he can create a safe harbor for this rumored, reasonable republican senator that is looking to escape the torment of trump. they are quiet for people who are the desperate to do something different. what biden has going for him. there's growing numbers, the economy did add 379,000 jobs last month. biden used that as a chance to say, you see? things can get better, let's add momentum. >> now, our economy still has 9.5 million fewer jobs than it this -- than it had this time last year.
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it would take two years to get it back on track. without a rescue plan, the gains will slow, we cannot afford one step forward and two steps backwards. we need to beat the virus, provide relief and build an inclusive recovery. >> now, the question is, will his members listen to the words and get on board more easily than happened here and will the words fall on anything but deaf a ears across the aisle, now with the vote-a-rama happening, what happens next in people are hungry. people are desperate, when will the help come? the better minds, manu and michael, right now. manu, answer the question, what happens next? >> it's going to be a long night of voting. voting began at 11:00 a.m. and the first vote has still open. one reason why, i'm pretty certain is that there's still
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drafting the deal that was reached between the white house and democratic leaders and they are going to offer it as an amendment to the bill and then this process in which any senator can offer as many amendments as he or she likes will begin. that's why they call it vote-a-vote-a-r a vote vote-a-rama in the senate. under the rules, with just 51 votes, just democratic support. here, they have to essentially allow for as many amendments as possible. the rules dictate that. and that's what republicans plan to take advantage of. and some republicans plan to offer a dozen, more than a dozen, couple dozen amendments each. we will see what it's like to decide how far they want to go, but the expectation had been at the beginning of the day that they would take it in to the morning, in to the night, in to the weekend. will they do it after the 8 hour stand still and the furious negotiation that was happening
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among democrats to get joe mansuhn support. now that they have it, the process can move forward and the democrats are confident that they can can keep the coalition between moderates and liberals to get that. how does it play? it was denied a win because of joe mansion, ultimately coming down on the side of democrats. instead, right now, you had a lot of democrats eating crow, and may i say in response. i don't know that all that he is looking for. that in the republicans, the
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texas congressman by the name of george walker bush who voted with the johnson administration with the time percentage that he voted with the nixon administration. you know what's going to happen. i appreciate a guy like this who is willing to exercise some independent thinking. >> let's figure out, joe mansun will take a beating. but obviously, he is apparently okay with that. put up the full screen. covid-19 relief bill, senate democratic plan for unemployment benefits. here was his point. let's see where the economy is. they expected, how can they know
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how much money they need now, when you have not spent that money yet. you don't know at the last batch of money. now he shifted people's perspective. and how the unemployment benefit was needed and for how long. and he was met with nothing but resistance. michael. what they worked on was $300 a week. tl there were a lot of people who wanted less than 300 and some wanted more. and michael's big sticking point, and i give it to you, the way it was designed people who didn't work, who stayed on unemployment the whole time, would be advantaged in way that people who went back to work were not when it came to taxation. why were not people with manchin? >> great question, i don't know the answer. it sounds fiscally prudent the way you explained it. i took looked at the job numbers. hospitality and leisure had
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growth. i think the economy is poised to pop. where manchin is saying let's not make a longterm commitment until we see how it will shake out, it's a reasonable path and i'm disappointed that more people did not rally around him. >> tell me how people took his resistance on the left? >> not well, particularly in the activist base, the capitol too, he is exerting the power that he has. it's a 50/50 senate is, democrats are employing a process where they cannot have support. let's remember, the deal that was announced this morning, had, was announced between the white house and moving forward on jobless benefits. and it changed in the underlying bill. they did not have joe manchin's support at the beginning of the day. they did have 49 other democrats on board. manchin was not going to be ruled by the party.
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he pushed back and let all the negotiations behind the scenes and joe biden called him and met privately with chuck schumer, rank and file democrats hesitate with him and rob portman, who was the ohio repreublican who h the alternative plan. he was getting enormous pressure on both sides but ultimately decided he is going to cut this this deal that will most likely pave the way for the deal's passage, and as i said, a daunting series of amendments. you cannily ly tell, it's an unpredictable process. >> manu, you are the man. why has it been, it's not just manchin. and they have issues in the house. they have issues in the senate. i think manchin is more of a
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founded or was he missing a point? >> well, look, joe has been a friend of mine for many, many years. we were governors of neighboring states. this was something that mattered a lot to me. when you have 50 democrats you need us all on board. so the leadership and the house helped him find an accomodation. i had a number of concerns on the bill and i worked on the house version, to make sure that it had the priorities in it. i think this solves joe's challenges. i don't want to speak for him, but nowgoing to get this done because the american public is in need of relief to climb out of the crisis . >> as a fair call, do you believe what he wanted, which was more sensitivity to the tax ramifications for those that worked part of the year or went back to work andwere not on
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unemployment full time and they were being punished for working. >> joe had a concern that he was sincere about. that it was not my concern. i thought the bill was in good shape on that point. i don't block his ability to raise his concern. in a 50/50 senate we have to be on board. this was a last concern that he. we have it worked out and we are ready to rock it forward through ten or a thousand amendments to get americans the relief that they need. >> so, everything that is about to happen right now, on the republican side of the ball is just a delay tactic, just to delay it? go ahead, go ahead, what is your take? >> again, i'm not going to challenge their motives. some on their side, we don't know all the amendments they will offer. i'm sure some are forg campaign
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stickers, and some will be sincere, but overall, the goal is to get in our way and trip us up as we try to offer this needed assistance to the american public. it's not going to work. we are sticking together and we will make it happen and putting the bill on president biden's desk, as you point out millions lose unemployment benefits starting next week if we don't. >> do you expect that you will be able to do any deals on the people this in the senate will work with you on anything let will alone the house? >> it's a good question. when this bill passes i would love to come back on with a copy of the bill and i will highlight in yellow everything in the bill that was part of a republican piece of legislation that was introduced at some point along the way and what you will see is a bill chock full of priorities that republicans supported that they earlier voted for that will benefit their constituents. they may make a strategic decision like they did when the
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obama/biden administration started that they have to vote against it, but this thing is going to be very full of bipartisan priorities and i think it's going to happen. when the republicans see that they cannot through delay or other tactics trip us up and we are rocketing forward and determined to do it, more will come and say, we see you are determined and make sure that our priorities are reflected in the next bills that you on do. >> isn't the biggest lever that you have with them, is that you guys could remove the filibuster and why, what's the best argument for not doing that. >> i will let them make the best argument for not doing it. my constituent ts, chris, in virginia don't ask for the policy. they want to know about minimum wage, they are not talking about rules, they are talking about results. my goal is, i promised folks if
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we have a democratic majority we get results for them and i'm not going to let form be elevated over substance. we are going to do the substance and try to get republicans on board, and listen to them and incorporate their ideas and they will make their own strategic call. i'm not personally going to elevate arcain senate rules. >> what does that mean? are you in favor of getting rid of the filibuster? because you are not going to get them right now. >> we are not going to deal with it right now. >> you cannot do miniuimum wage you will not get gun control. >> i know you want to talk about the next thing. my job right now is to deliver $1.9 trillion of relief to the american people. i think you right, there's going to be a d-day, where we put voting rights reform or minimum
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wage increase on the table and we will try to get republicans the to help us and we will see if they meet their constituents needs or not. if they don't at that point, it's not a hard call for me, if i have to choose between meeting promises and doing what americans want verses upholding arcane senate rules that can easily be changed. we are not there yet, tonight we are about covid relief and we will get it. >> it's a window in to where you will be on the filibuster. joe manchin believes, i thought it was a nostalgia play, he believes that's culture of the senate. i will take it up with him on the show. >> one thing quick. he does believe it and we can return to the way that senator bird did it. >> bird, not hyde, yeah, the bird bath. >> if you want to filibuster, you have to be jimmy stewart and stand on the floor for hours. we can return to the senate that senator bird was in and that joe manchin would respect and do it
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the right way and we would get a lot more done. >> the bird, the bird bath and being on the plfloor and being real time. here's our date, next week you should be done with this, god willing, you come on with the bill and make your point and i will once again attack you to savage affect on how it's okay that joe biden uses military action in syria, and you guys didn't have to approve it or even be consulted well in advance and make a call on it. >> and you and i will agree about most of that because i called him out right away. and now we are having interesting discussions and joe biden said is, look, i don't want my presidency to be just another car on the train of forever war. we have to make, we have to find an off ramp to that, and president biden, i think, because of his unique experience of having been in the senate, he is thepresident who can do this. >> certainly has an open mind on this. no question about it, you have .
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>> look forward toy it. keep your energy up getting it done for people in need. >> thank you, chris. >> the republicans are betting in an area and on a group that is not where the country is. look at any polls you want about how people feel about the relief bill. we will show you where congress is, verse you guys, even in the states they represent. wizard of ods, all the numbers. and look at that. next.
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i don't know about you, but it's been interesting for me to watch president biden approach this first major ledgislative effort. he has been more people than pr, his approach is like the opposite of trump. which, would seem fairly obvious. but you would think that he might want to be more at the forefront of pushing this through. let's bring in the wizard of odds for a close er look at the numbers. i want to start with this, harry. why biden isn't at the relief bill forefront. i suggested it earlier. i thought that was going to be his way, like the gray beard. i've done this, i know these people, get out of the way, no, why? >> because the covid bill is more popular than he is. support for the stimulus, biden's name not mentioned, his overall approval, 51%. what is he doing to do? go after joe manchin, biden is
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an experienced guy, he knows the game. he is going to stay out of the way. let the popular bill stand on its own. let joe manchin come to agreement with the senate democrats. maybe biden works behind the scenes. he understands the way the game is played. >> why the gop doesn't agree to a popular relief bill, even where they live? >> yeah, look, there are multiple reasons why. number one, could be the fact that the bill's overall support among republicans is only at 33%. that is fairly on popular for a democratic bill among republicans and even it's the case that if you keep the $1,400 checks without bipartisan support, 53%, so, there's something else that is going on here. it's not just about the gop base in my mind. although the bill overall is not so popular. >> you know, i read this thing
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today where i made a brilliant analysis of why you can see this diversion of things that people should want for their own line lives. people accept diversity of thought on their own side. meaning, if biden didn't really love refuse a bill, a lot of democrats still might. okay, however, just as they believe in diversity on their side, they see the other side with sameness. meaning, there's no diversity on the or side, they all suck. so, if you say, do you like the minimum wage increase to $15? yes. do you like the relief bill and the money and this? yes. good, joe biden's putting it forward. if you are a republican, there's an exponential change in attitude because it's him. how much of that do you think is in play? >> a little bit. there's polling on out there that suggests if you attach the
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democrat's name to it, it's a little less popular, but it's still overwhelmingly popular even so. i don't subscribe too much of that to this instance. let's be frank, giving money to people is popular. people like receiving $1400 checks in the mail. i don't think it's exactly what is going on. what i think may be doing on is that republican senators don't necessarily like this bill. and even if their constituents do like it, they know something, chris, they know something and that is that this bill, although there's obviously many parts to it, overall is an economic stimulus bill. if you look at the polling. if you look at slide three here, what do you see in what are the most important problems according to americans at this particular point? economic related problems are just 16%, where americans are more focused on right now is the coronavirus. coronavirus and diseases, i'm not sure at this particular point that joe biden and the democrats have made that connection and certainly what we have seen from the republicans
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is they are trying to say, look, this is all about the economy. this is all about pumping money in. this is not about the coronavirus and right now, that arguement is holding at least with republican senators. >> the if the democrats do not the arguement, they don't deserve the mid terms. everyone knows it's happening for one reason, whether it's hunger, jobs and health maladys, because of the pandemic. i have to jump, have a good weekend. >> you too, my friend. >> how impeachment prosecutors were not able to get a conviction against trump, but one filed a suit for the insurrection. the second u.s. lawmaker has sued trump over the riot. it's an interesting strategy. it could open the door for a lot of lawsuits and for a lot of discovery. the case, the chance, next
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swawell, suing not only the former president, and his son, and his then lawyer, rudy giuliani and congressman mo brooks. the suit claims they broke d.c. law, including an anti-terrorism act, by inciting the riot, that they aided and abetted rioters and inflicted distress on congressman. this is something that he talked about when he shared fears of not seeing his family again. >> uncertain with a would happen next. i sent a text to my wife. i love you and the babies, please hug them for me. i imagine many of you sent a similar message. >> it reminds, we got so lucky on january 6th, that could have
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been one of the worst days of death in our history. phil andonian is representing the congressman in this suit, counselor, welcome to primetime. >> thanks for having me. >> let's dialog this out, what is the goal of the suit? >> the goal is accountability. donald trump and his inner circle, incited a violent insurrection. they conspired with the will of the american public in throwing out the election results and we need account ability and we have not had it yet. >> this is an intentional inflection of emotional did distress. you need extreme and outrageouses behavior on the defendant. that comes with documented behavior that usually has been the subject of some type of prosecution. this is often a case that is
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made after a prosecution. do you think a stand alone litigation, it will work? do you think there's enough that will be believed as true? >> well, if this is not a case for intentionally inflicting extreme and outrageous conduct can, i'm not sure what will be. we had, again, an insurrection that was fomented and planned by donald trump and his inner circle. he called on militia members and other extremist groups to come to d.c. with a plan to attack. and he incited many, many others who were there that day to join in. there's no question in our mind that it's intentional. and i don't think there's even a laugh test that could be passed to argue that what happened afterwards was not extreme and outrageous. we feel strong about the claim. >> what if they offer to on settle? >> well, i think a ways away from that. our goal though, is, chris, is
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to hold donald trump accountable. our goal is to take the case that eric swalwell and the other managers put in front of the senate and the senate punted on it. they punted on it because they said the senate was not the right forum. so they invited lawsuits in civil courts of law so we took them up on the invitation and we intend to see it through. >> what do you want? let's say you see it through. the overwhelming civil litigation ends in settlement. what do you want? usually it's money or equitable relief or declaration judgment of what had? >> you know, i agree with you. most civil lawsuits settle, at the same time, in is not most civil lawsuits and hopefully, it's the last of its kind and others that follow in having to adjudicate this kind of claim in court.
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i will say it again, we are looking for accountability. we have not had a proclamation that donald trump and his co-consco co-conspirators did something wrong in an official sense. we had a lot of comments and opinions by senator who is acquitted him after the trial. what we are looking for is a pro proclamation, in a legal court of the country, that donald trump violated the law. he abused civil rights and conspired to over throw the government. >> and i think a couple of steps earlier than that, if the suit is found to pass the initial muster, would be phil andonian, lusting after the opportunity to sit across from one or all of the men in a trial. we will be tracking the case. keep us in the loop. okay? >> thanks, chris, thank you for having me. >> all right, it will be interesting to see the range of
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ramifications from the time that donald trump spent in office. now, on the vaccine front. three strong vaccines are now in play to conquer the pandemic. millions are scrambling for shots. the mayor of a big city, detroit, just turned down doses at first because he thinks one is not as good as the others. my next guest calls it irresponsible and wrong. she was a participant in the j and j trial, and has the facts. dr. lena we know, next. so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a bit differently. wet teddy bears! wet teddy bears here! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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we have a problem with messaging in this country when it comes to the pandemic and science and being sensible. we are asking if anybody at the local level is listening to the cdc anymore, even when they know, when they say stuff, we all know. listen. >> we have decreases in cases. and increases in deaths, when you have inperson dining. >> unless all you watch is fox, you know that's true. the agency put out hard numbers just today.
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the question since they have had the date since december. it goes back to march. what took them so long. in places where there are mask mandates. people are g-- what's the flip side? we want to get back. we want to live economy and life has no longer becomeworth living. as you open up, cases go up. it may be too late considering how fast states are removing the mask mandate. now, there's so much enthusiasm, and they are saying let's open. you have democratic controlled states though easing back on restrictions, i get it. now you have the mayor of detroit rejecting a shipment of the johnson & johnson vaccine.
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here's the problem. and we asked him on the show a lot. he initially explained it hike this. >> so, johnson & johnson is a very good vaccine. but moderna and pfizer are the best and i am going to do everything i can to make sure that the residents in detroit get the best. >> let's bring in somebody who knows both the policy and the practical side of all of this, dr. wen, good to see you. at first, i thought maybe, but also, he doesn't fit the profile of this, we do know that in minority communities there can be a fear of medical intervention. there's just such a long history of being under served, given the thing messages that were subpar. and yes, you can go all the way back to tuskegee, because history has legs and people
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remember that they did you wrong and they said that they give you medicine and they didn't. what did you make of his initial rejection and why you reject his rejection? >> we have three safe and very effective vaccines. and it's really disturbing to hear a mayor that rejects a vaccine that can save his residents. >> he said well i don't want that one, because it not the right color. it's the equivalent, because there's three vaccines, all of which prevent hospitalization and death. and in fact, we found out that's turning down others and have
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team go without vaccines is dangerous. i'm glad he walked back the comments comments. there's reasons again, to deny people in his town, in a city, a choice, really not the good idea. >> maybe you are poor and under staffed as a government and i don't want to have the storage concerns that come along and now, you have people all over the country, you have to remove a certain batch of vaccine from cold storage, you know, moderna and pfizer. if you don't use it all, you cannot put it back. so, that's a whole story in a story about making the most of this we have not told yet. when you look at his numbers, he should be a lot more anxious to get anything.
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detroits occupancy in icus are down. and detroit is 78% black people. he should be getting anything that he can to correct which is an obvious continuation of a systemic inequality. >> that's right. and i think we should remind people that the vaccine you get first is not necessarily the last vaccine that you are going to get. you get the vaccine that you have, that gives you some level of immune protection. might be over time, we find out that one vaccine is better at
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certain variants it's a level of protection that is in limited supply. >> you don't have a problem tell me when i'm wrong. i sense that i have picked up on a pattern, and the cdc is being too careful. especially in the middle of a pandemic. it's a lesson for people, and whether it's when they started with masks or made the shift with masks. it's when we thought about when it was what you touched and being aerosolized and now, post vaccine guidance, decisions are being made without the cdc, because they are taking too long. when is the line in all deliberate speed and too slow? >> it's really hard. and i understand that the cdc wants to get the research right, and there's also also a concern that if they came out with something and they revised it, that could under mine trust.
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i think the opposite. i think that right now, if their voice is not heard and people are making decisions anyway, that also under mines trust in them and essentially makes them irrelevant. we have 27 million people, and governors rolling back restrictions without the input of the cdc, if the cdc came out right now and said, for example, we think if you are fully vaccinated here's what you can do. you can travel, you don't need to quarantine and get tested. you can go to restaurants. you still have to wear masks. here are the things you can do. maybe restaurants can be 100 a % capacity for fully vaccinated people. that's the guidance that we need. we need more celebration and less caution. >> lena, thank you very much, appreciate you, have a good weekend, when i come back i have a song test for don. we will be right back. and in an emergency, they need a network that puts them first.
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