during a major surge, exactly two years ago, border patrol encountered 5500 children in one month. the department of health and human services told facilities to open bed space for minors to prepandemic levels. which is just under 14,000. there are now about 7700 children under hhs care, and the concern is, that the number will rise quickly in the coming weeks. >> the way we are going i think it will be a crisis. >> reporter: now, some texas democrats are warning the biden team about what as unfolding. >> they seem to be on a mission with all due respect to start releasing and show they are compassionate and i think people should be compassionate to our communities on the border. >> reporter: at the same time, activists are asking that they reverse the trump administration

policies. several shelters saw children traveling to the border alone. how old were the children you saw? >> and terrific reporting as always, some republicans top of all this are accusing the biden administration of letting migrants with covid-19 in the country. what do you say about that? >> right, this stems from information this week that 108 migrants have tested positive since the end of january. this is one of the hot spots of the migration patterns. three migrants per day roughly. the reality is it's a

complicated situation on local officials and local charity organizations to do conduct the covid testing for migrants. one of the charities, the catholic charities organization in the rio grande valley has received thousands of tests in recent weeks, and it's those volunteers that are testing and they are providing hotel space for anyone that tests positive. the question we have not gotten a clearance to is how many are in the hotels. they cannot force them, but they are urging them to go there. they have gotten false positives on the tests. so, all of this unclear and speaks to what is definitely starting to change rapidly on the borderer. >> thank you very much. a reminder, don't miss full circle, anderson's digital news show.

let's go to chris for cuomo primetime. >> it's good that you bled over in to my show. hold my program for a second. ed is right, what governor abbott in texas has been saying is really poisoness, yes, biden, overturning and reversing the trump programs about how the control flow and how quickly to send somebody back with out due process in many cases is a factor in sending a message that is going to increase flow over the border. that's true. they have to find ways to handle that flow, and find programs to deal with it. you could argue that they did it all too quickly, it's a political discussion. when it comes to covid, it is a trickle, the number of people they have coming over. they are getting false positives on the test and more importantly abbott will not receive the funds from the federal government to do the testing. so, if you are going to complain that there's some kind of plague coming across, it's an extension

of the trumpry, the brown menace, you won't test them but you worry about them having covid. it's a ploy. it would be hard for biden to do worse. thank you, have a great weekend. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to primetime. we have to expose those things that are not true and that feeds division. that's the metaphor on the floor of the senate. the good news, we have a deal among the democrats on the relief bill, on the day long standstill. the game is not over. be very clear. this is a game, sadly. we are in what we call vote-a-rama, meaning senators can offer as many amendments as they want. so it will be another long night , the republicans see it as a delay machine like ron johnson having bill read was a delay measure.

any argument about understanding urgency is false. the holdup was not because of the toxicity of the gop-q, as i call them. the 50/50 senate was in flux because of a demanblame, it's the dynamic on the left. it's not a sure thing that you get all 50 senators. senator joe man shun had was of west virginia. a particularly sensitivity to fiscal fairness. arguing for what workers got what kind of tax relief based on how much unemployment help they get. and you know, maybe you are working part of the year and not part of the year, how does it deal with taxing. who is getting advantaged and disadvantaged and that's what it was about. and he said that we have reached a compromise. that enables the economy to rebound quickly and protect those receiving unemployment benefits

from being hit with an unexpected tax bill next year. those making less than $150,000, and receiving unemployment, because you don't work the full year. you are out of work, you get unemployment, and you get work again and then make money, how do they get taxed. those people will be eligible for a $10,200 tax break. his concern were that people that worked would be disadvantaged compared to people who just were unemployed. unemployment benefits will be extended through the end of august. it was done with respect to the jobs report. there's good news there. i'm worried what we are seeing here, with that pocket of people who are center left in the senate, is a window in to divisions among democrats that may make the filibuster not the biggest problem in getting important legislation through. now, to be sure, president biden cannot count on the right side of the aisle, which is literally, pretending.

first it was january 6th. now it's the pandemic. >> packed with non-covid related policy. only 9% addresses the fight against the virus itself. we are on track to bounce back from this crisis. not because of this bill, it's because of our work last year. >> no, it's despite last year mr. senator, and you know it. mcconnell is being misleading in the extreme. money for vaccine, distribution, medical services, it all matters urgently and they should not have delayed it in the first bill. we will get to it soon. to assume that anything other than medical costs is not covid

related is absurd. it's a economic relief bill due to the health care crisis is. that is virus related. he knows it, of course we are in a rush. people are in a rush. people are starving like never since the great depression and he knows it even in his home state of kentucky. he is slow walking this because he cares about political position more than that pain. give me a reason. last time we delayed, why was it. to save companies from getting sued from getting sick with the covid. now, they have the senator of the party that denied the pandemic. remember the economy cratered and they delayed action to the point that it was extreme and that's why the economy cratered, now he is taking credit for the bounce back. to be clear, the republicans lost the presidency for two main reasons.

they lied about the pandemic. and delayed action. the big one, is that they cost money and lives. people like mcconnell backed the most offensive and divisive president in modern history, looking at what is going on in the senate right now highlights a fundmental challenge. the need for biden to be more in front on trying create progress and seeing if he can create a safe harbor for this rumored, reasonable republican senator that is looking to escape the torment of trump. they are quiet for people who are the desperate to do something different. what biden has going for him. there's growing numbers, the economy did add 379,000 jobs last month. the economy added 379,000 jobs

last month. biden used that as a chance to say, you see? things can get better, let's add momentum. >> now, our economy still has 9.5 million fewer jobs than it this -- than it had this time last year. it would take two years to get it back on track. without a rescue plan, the gains will slow, we cannot afford one step forward and two steps backwards. we need to beat the virus, provide relief and build an inclusive recovery. >> now, the question is, will his members listen to the words and get on board more easily than happened here and will the words fall on anything but deaf a ears across the aisle, now with the vote-a-rama happening, what happens next in people are hungry. people are desperate, when will the help come? the better minds, manu and michael, right now. manu, answer the question, what happens next? >> it's going to be a long night

of voting. voting began at 11:00 a.m. and the first vote has still open. it could be one of the longest senate votes in history. one reason why, i'm pretty certain is that there's still drafting the deal that was reached between the white house and democratic leaders and they are going to offer it as an amendment to the bill and then this process in which any senator can offer as many amendments as he or she likes will begin. that's why they call it vote-a-r vote-a-rama in the senate. under the rules, with just 51 votes, just democratic support. here, they have to essentially allow for as many amendments as possible. the rules dictate that. and that's what republicans plan to take advantage of. and some republicans plan to offer a dozen, more than a dozen, couple dozen amendments

each. we will see what it's like to decide how far they want to go, but the expectation had been at the beginning of the day that they would take it in to the morning, in to the night, in to the weekend. will they do it after the 8 hour stand still and the furious negotiation that was happening among democrats to get joe manchin support. now that they have it, the process can move forward and the democrats are confident that they can keep the coalition between moderates and liberals to get that. >> on the republican play. how does it play for them? for delayed sake. it was denied a win because of joe mansion, ultimately coming down on the side of democrats. instead, right now, you had a lot of democrats eating crow,

republicans could be claiming victory. and may i say in response. there's an absence to have independent thinking in washington. i don't know that all that he is looking for. in the 9 1960s. republicans voted with their party 60% of the time. that in the republicans, the texas congressman by the name of george walker bush who voted with the johnson administration with the time percentage that he voted with the nixon administration. 2010 the number was 89%. you vote with your party. you know what's going to happen. i appreciate a guy like this who is willing to exercise some independent thinking. >> let's figure out, joe manchin will take a beating. the left and media will kill

him. but obviously, he is apparently okay with that. put up the full screen. covid-19 relief bill, senate democratic plan for unemployment benefits. here was his point. let's see where the economy is. they expected, how can they know how much money they need now, when you have not spent that money yet. you don't know at the last batch of money. now he shifted people's perspective. and how the unemployment benefit was needed and for how long. and he was met with nothing but resistance. michael. what they worked on was $300 a week. there were a lot of people who wanted less than 300 and some wanted more. for how long. and michael's big sticking point, and i give it to you, the way it was designed people who didn't work, who stayed on unemployment the whole time, would be advantaged in way that people who went back to work were not when it came to taxation.

why were not people with manchin? >> great question, i don't know the answer. it sounds fiscally prudent the way you explained it. i took looked at the job numbers. hospitality and leisure had growth. i think the economy is poised to pop. because of the pent up demand. where manchin is saying let's not make a longterm commitment until we see how it will shake out, it's a reasonable path and i'm disappointed that more people did not rally around him. >> tell me how people took his resistance on the left? >> not well, particularly in the activist base, the capitol too, he is exerting the power that he has. it's a 50/50 senate is, democrats are employing a process where they cannot have support. can't afford to lose democratic support. let's remember, the deal that was announced this morning, had, was announced between the white

house and moving forward on jobless benefits. and it changed in the underlying bill. they did not have joe manchin's support at the beginning of the day. they did have 49 other democrats on board. manchin was not going to be ruled by the party. he pushed back and let all the negotiations behind the scenes and joe biden called him and met privately with chuck schumer, rank and file democrats hesitate with him and rob portman, who was the ohio republican who has the alternative plan. he was getting enormous pressure on both sides but ultimately decided he is going to cut this this deal that will most likely pave the way for the deal's passage, and as i said, a daunting series of amendments. we'll see if anything changes. you can ly tell, it's an

unpredictable process. >> manu, you are the man. why has it been so hard for democrats to get this passed. it's not just manchin. and they have issues in the house. they have issues in the senate. i think manchin is more of a proxy than we are told outright. what does it mean, moving forward, it's to the enact the biden agenda. is it about getting rid of the filibuster? 50 votes from members on that. senator tim cain, live from the hill, next .

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in nine days, millions americans could begin to see their jobless benefits. manchin, in terms of what they give the unemployment ratio, the

answer should be yes, but let's ask senator tim cain. always a pleasure. what did you make of joe manchin's resistance. did you think it was well founded or was he missing a point? >> well, look, joe has been a friend of mine for many, many years. we were governors of neighboring states. this was something that mattered a lot to me. did -- to him. when you have 50 democrats you need us all on board. so the leadership and the house helped him find an accommodation. i had a number of concerns on the bill and i worked on the house version, to make sure that it had the priorities in it. i think this solves joe's challenges. i don't want to speak for him, but nowgoing to get this done because the american public is in need of relief to climb out of the crisis.

>> as a fair call, do you believe what he wanted, which was more sensitivity to the tax ramifications for those that worked part of the year or went back to work andwere not on unemployment full time and they were being punished for working. >> joe had a concern that he was sincere about. that it was not my concern. i thought the bill was in good shape on that point. i don't block his ability to raise his concern. in a 50/50 senate we have to be on board. this was a last concern that he. hit worked out and we are ready to rock it forward through ten or a thousand amendments to get americans the relief that they need. >> so, everything that is about to happen right now, on the republican side of the ball is just a delay tactic, just to delay it? go ahead, go ahead, what is your take?

>> again, i'm not going to challenge their motives. some on their side, we don't know all the amendments they will offer. i'm sure some are for campaign stickers, and some will be sincere, but overall, the goal is to get in our way and trip us up as we try to offer this needed assistance to the american public. it's not going to work. we are sticking together and we will make it happen and putting the bill on president biden's desk, as you point out millions lose unemployment benefits starting next week if we don't. >> do you expect that you will be able to do any deals on the people this in the senate will work with you on anything let will alone the house? >> it's a good question. when this bill passes i would love to come back on with a copy of the bill and i will highlight in yellow everything in the bill that was part of a republican piece of legislation that was

introduced at some point along the way and what you will see is a bill chock full of priorities that republicans supported that they earlier voted for that will benefit their constituents. they may make a strategic decision like they did when the obama/biden administration started that they have to vote against it, but this thing is going to be very full of bipartisan priorities and i think it's going to happen. when the republicans see that they cannot through delay or other tactics trip us up and we are rocketing forward and determined to do it, more will come and say, we see you are determined and make sure that our priorities are reflected in the next bills that you on do. >> isn't the biggest lever that you have with them, is that you guys could remove the filibuster and why, what's the best argument for not doing that. >> i will let them make the best argument for not doing it. my constituents, chris, in

virginia don't ask for the policy. or senate rules. they want to know about minimum wage, they are not talking about rules, they are talking about results. my goal is, i promised folks if we have a democratic majority we get results for them and i'm not going to let form be elevated over substance. we are going to do the substance and try to get republicans on board, and listen to them and incorporate their ideas and they will make their own strategic call. i'm not personally going to elevate arcane senate rules. >> what does that mean? are you in favor of getting rid of the filibuster? because you are not going to get it otherwise. >> we are not going to deal with it right now. >> you cannot do minimum wage, you will not get gun control. >> i know you want to talk about the next thing.

my job right now is to deliver $1.9 trillion of relief to the american people. i think you right, there's going to be a d-day, where we put voting rights reform or minimum wage increase on the table and we will try to get republicans the to help us and we will see if they meet their constituents needs or not. if they don't at that point, it's not a hard call for me, if i have to choose between meeting promises and doing what americans want verses upholding arcane senate rules that can easily be changed. we are not there yet, tonight we are about covid relief and we will get it. >> it's a window in to where you will be on the filibuster. joe manchin believes, i thought it was a nostalgia play, he believes that's culture of the senate. i will take it up with him on the show. >> one thing quick. he does believe it and we can return to the way that senator bird did it. >> bird, not hyde, yeah, the

bird bath. >> if you want to filibuster, you have to be jimmy stewart and stand on the floor for hours. we can return to the senate that senator bird was in and that joe manchin would respect and do it the right way and we would get a lot more done. >> the bird, the bird bath and being on the floor and being in real time. that might be a modification. here's our date, next week you should be done with this, god willing, you come on with the bill and make your point and i will once again attack you to savage affect on how it's okay that joe biden uses military action in syria, and you guys didn't have to approve it or even be consulted well in advance and make a call on it. >> and you and i will agree about most of that because i called him out right away. and now we are having interesting discussions and joe biden said is, look, i don't want my presidency to be just

another car on the train of forever war. we have to make, we have to find an off ramp to that, and president biden, i think, because of his unique experience of having been in the senate, he is the president who can do this. >> certainly has an open mind on this. no question about it, you have a date, i will contact the office. >> look forward to it. keep your energy up getting it done for people in need. >> thank you, chris. >> the republicans are betting in an area and on a group that is not where the country is. look at any polls you want about how people feel about the relief bill. the minimum wage. we will show you where congress is, verse you guys, even in the states they represent. wizard of ods, all the numbers. and look at that. next. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. thank you! hey, hey, no, no leap, no leap! only pay for what you need.

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i don't know about you, but it's been interesting for me to watch president biden approach this first major legislative effort. he has been more people than pr, his approach is like the opposite of trump. which, would seem fairly obvious. but you would think that he might want to be more at the forefront of pushing this through. let's bring in the wizard of odds for a close er look at the numbers. i want to start with this, harry. why biden isn't at the relief bill forefront. i suggested it earlier. i thought that was going to be his way, like the gray beard. i've done this, i know these people, get out of the way, no, why? >> because the covid bill is more popular than he is.

support for the stimulus, biden's name not mentioned, his overall approval, 51%. what is he doing to do? go after joe manchin, biden is an experienced guy, he knows the game. he is going to stay out of the way. let the popular bill stand on its own. let joe manchin come to agreement with the senate democrats. maybe biden works behind the scenes. he understands the way the game is played. that's all the years in the senate taught him. >> why the gop doesn't agree to a popular relief bill, even where they live? >> yeah, look, there are multiple reasons why. number one, could be the fact that the bill's overall support among republicans is only at 33%. that is fairly on popular for a democratic bill among republicans and even it's the case that if you keep the $1,400

checks without bipartisan support, 53%, so, there's something else that is going on here. it's not just about the gop base in my mind. although the bill overall is not so popular. >> you know, i read this thing today where i made a brilliant analysis of why you can see this diversion of things that people should want for their own line lives. people accept diversity of thought on their own side. meaning, if biden didn't really love refuse a bill, a lot of democrats still might. okay, however, just as they believe in diversity on their side, they see the other side with sameness. meaning, there's no diversity on the or side, they all suck. so, if you say, do you like the minimum wage increase to $15? yes. do you like the relief bill and the money and this? yes. good, joe biden's putting it forward.

if you are a republican, there's an exponential change in attitude because it's him. how much of that do you think is in play? >> a little bit. there's polling on out there that suggests if you attach the democrat's name to it, it's a little less popular, but it's still overwhelmingly popular even so. i don't subscribe too much of that to this instance. let's be frank, giving money to people is popular. people like receiving $1400 checks in the mail. i don't think it's exactly what is going on. what i think may be doing on is that republican senators don't necessarily like this bill. and even if their constituents do like it, they know something, chris, they know something and that is that this bill, although there's obviously many parts to it, overall is an economic stimulus bill. if you look at the polling. if you look at slide three here, what do you see in what are the most important problems according to americans at this particular point?

economic related problems are just 16%, where americans are more focused on right now is the coronavirus. coronavirus and diseases, i'm not sure at this particular point that joe biden and the democrats have made that connection and certainly what we have seen from the republicans is they are trying to say, look, this is all about the economy. this is all about pumping money in. this is not about the coronavirus and right now, that argument is holding at least with republican senators. >> if the democrats do not win the argument, they don't deserve the mid terms. everyone knows it's happening for one reason, whether it's hunger, jobs and health maladies, because of the pandemic. i have to jump, have a good weekend. >> you too, my friend. >> how impeachment prosecutors were not able to get a political conviction against trump, but one filed a suit for the insurrection. swalwell, california. the second u.s. lawmaker has

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donald trump is going to have a lot of legal troubles. some more creative than others. for instance, these lawsuits over the capitol riot from lawmakers. first, there was bennie thompson, and now, another one. this time, one of the house impeachment managers, eric swawell, suing not only the former president, and his son, and his then lawyer, rudy giuliani and congressman mo brooks. the suit claims they broke d.c. law, including an anti-terrorism act, by inciting the riot, that they aided and abetted rioters and inflicted distress on congressman. this is something that he talked about when he shared fears of not seeing his family again.

>> uncertain with a would happen next. i sent a text to my wife. i love you and the babies, please hug them for me. i imagine many of you sent a similar message. >> it reminds, we got so lucky on january 6th, that could have been one of the worst days of death in our history. phil andonian is representing the congressman in this suit, counselor, welcome to primetime. >> thanks for having me. >> let's dialog this out, what is the goal of the suit? >> the goal is accountability. donald trump and his inner circle, incited a violent insurrection. they conspired with the will of the american public in throwing

out the election results and we need account ability and we have not had it yet. >> this is an intentional inflection of emotional distress behavior on the defendant. that comes with documented behavior that usually has been the subject of some type of prosecution. this is often a case that is made after a prosecution. do you think a stand alone litigation, it will work? do you think there's enough that will be believed as true? >> well, if this is not a case for intentionally inflicting extreme and outrageous conduct can, i'm not sure what will be. we had, again, an insurrection that was fomented and planned by donald trump and his inner circle. he called on militia members and other extremist groups to come to d.c. with a plan to attack.

and he incited many, many others who were there that day to join in. there's no question in our mind that it's intentional. and i don't think there's even a laugh test that could be passed to argue that what happened afterwards was not extreme and outrageous. we feel strong about the claim. >> what if they offer to on settle? >> well, i think a ways away from that. our goal though, is, chris, is to hold donald trump accountable. our goal is to take the case that eric swalwell and the other managers put in front of the senate and the senate punted on it. they punted on it because they said the senate was not the right forum. so they invited lawsuits in civil courts of law so we took them up on the invitation and we intend to see it through. >> what do you want? let's say you see it through. the overwhelming civil litigation ends in settlement.

what do you want? usually it's money or equitable relief or declaration judgment of what had? >> you know, i agree with you. most civil lawsuits settle, at the same time, in is not most civil lawsuits and hopefully, it's the last of its kind and others that follow in having to adjudicate this kind of claim in court. i will say it again, we are looking for accountability. we have not had a proclamation that donald trump and his co-conspirators did something wrong in an official sense. we had a lot of comments and opinions by senator who is acquitted him after the trial. what we are looking for is a proclamation, in a legal court of the country, that donald trump violated the law. he abused civil rights and

conspired to over throw the government. >> and i think a couple of steps earlier than that, if the suit is found to pass the initial muster, would be phil andonian, lusting after the opportunity to sit across from one or all of the men in a trial. we will be tracking the case. keep us in the loop. okay? >> thanks, chris, thank you for having me. >> all right, it will be interesting to see the range of ramifications from the time that donald trump spent in office. now, on the vaccine front. three strong vaccines are now in play to conquer the pandemic. millions are scrambling for shots. the mayor of a big city, detroit, just turned down doses at first because he thinks one is not as good as the others. my next guest calls it irresponsible and wrong. she was a participant in the j and j trial, and has the facts.

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when it comes to being sensible. we really have to start asking, if anybody in power, at the local level, is open leven list to the cdc, anymore. even when they know, when they say stuff we all know. listen. >> we have decreases in cases and deaths when you wear masks. and you have increases in cases and deaths, when you have in-person, restaurant dining. >> unless, all you watch is fox, you know that that's true. the agency put out hard numbers, just today. the question is since they've had that data since, you know, december, and it goes back to march, what took them so long? what's not up for debate is that, in places where there are mask mandates, fewer people get sick. period. fewer people die. the longer those are in place, the better. what's the flip side? well, we want to get back. we want to live. economy. you know, life is -- when does life no longer become worth living? that's been the balancing test. okay? but, as you open up, cases go

back up. however, it may be too late, given how many states are, already, moving to ditch the mask mandate. the vaccine has, kind of, backfired as a messaging point. we thought nobody would want it. now, there is so much enthusiasm about it, that republicans are saying let's open it because it'll save us. you, also, have democratic-controlled states, though, easing back on restaurant restrictions and i get it. now, you have got the mayor of detroit rejecting a shipment of the johnson & johnson vaccine. now, here is the problem. and we asked him, on the show, a lot. he, initially, explained it like this. >> so, johnson & johnson is a very good vaccine. moderna and pfizer are the best. and i am going to do everything i can to make sure that residents of the city of detroit get the best. >> let's bring in someone, who knows, both, the policy and the practical side of all of this. dr. leana wen, always good to see you. you know, at first, okay, i

thought, maybe, but also, you know, he just doesn't fit the profile of this. we do know that, in minority communities, there can be a fear of medical intervention. there's just such a long history of being underserved, given medicines that were subpar, treatments that weren't thought through, without felollowup. and yes, you can go all the way back in history to tuskegee because history has legs, and people remember that they did you wrong. they said they were going to give you medicine, but they didn't. but certainly, that's not going to be his basis for it. so what did you make of his initial rejection? and why you reject his rejection? >> well, i was really disturbed by it because, first of all, it's just not true. i mean, we have three safe-and-very-effective vaccines. and it's really disturbing to hear a mayor turn down something that will save his residents. i mean, it's, kind of, like -- >> he says it's not as safe. he says, you look at it, it's

66. the others are 90s. >> but imagine if people are drowning in his community. and he is being given lifejackets and he says, well, i don't want that one because it's not the right color. i mean, that's the equivalent of what's happening here because there are three vaccines. all of which, prevent hospitalization and death. in fact, they are essentially 100% at preventing hospitalization and death. and so, turning down one to wait for others, and then have people go without any kind of protection, that's really dangerous. and i'm glad that he's walked back these comments. but i think it needs to be said that we have three safe, highly-effective vaccines. and also, note, johnson & johnson vaccine, the one-dose vaccine has advantages, too. maybe, you are afraid of needles. maybe, you want to be fully vaccinated sooner. and again, to deny people in his town, his city, a choice, is really not a good idea. >> maybe, you are poor and understaffed as a government and you don't want to have the

storage concerns that come along. and this -- this story, we haven't even really told people, yet, about what happens all over this country. where, every day, you have to remove a certain batch of vaccine from cold storage with, you know, moderna and pfizer. and if you don't use it all, you can't put it back. so, you know, that's a whole story, within a story, about making the most of this we haven't told, yet. but also, when you look at his numbers, he should be a lot more anxious to get anything. detroit's -- the icu-bed occupancy is 73%. 15.9% of michigan's population has gotten the first shot. that's not great. 7% of vaccinations have gone to black people, versus 75% to white people. detroit is 78% black people. he should be getting anything, he can, to correct which is an obvious continuation of a systemic inequality. >> that's right. and i think, we should, also, remind people that the vaccine

that you get, first, is not necessarily the -- the last vaccine that you are ever going to get. so, you get the vaccine that you have. that gives you some level of immune protection. maybe, over time, we find out that another vaccine is better at covering certain variants or another vaccine is better at covering you, if you have certain-medical conditions. you can, still, get another vaccine, later. don't turn down the one that you have now. and i think that may be a misunderstanding. i think, some people think whatever vaccine they first get, they're committed to for forever. but actually, this is just what gives you some level of protection, right now, when there is such-limited supply. >> now, leana, you have no problem telling me when i'm wrong, so feel free to do so now. but i -- i sense that i have picked up on a pattern. this cdc is being too careful. especially, in the middle of a pandemic. information is almost medicine, for people, on this. and whether it's where they started with masks to when they made the shift with masks. you know, when they thoughch,

versus being aerosolized. you know, restaurants, delaying post-vaccine guidance. decisions are being made, without the cdc, because they're taking too-damn long. where is the line, in terms of all-deliberate speed and just too slow? >> it's really hard. and i understand that the cdc wants to get the research right. and there is, also, a concern that, if they came out with something and then revised it. maybe, that might undermine trust. but i actually think the opposite. i think that, right now, if their voice isn't heard and people are making decisions, anyway, that, also, undermines trust in them. and essentially, makes them irrelevant. i mean, we've got 27 million people who are already, fully vaccinated. we have got governors that are already rolling back restrictions, and essentially opening up everything without the input of the cdc. if the cdc came out right now, or ideally, weeks ago, and said, for example, we think if you are fully vaccinated, here's what you can do. you can travel. you don't need to quarantine and

get tested. you can go to restaurants. you still have to wear masks but here are all the things you can do. and so, that's the kind of guidance that we need. we need more celebration, less caution. >> leana, thank you, very much. appreciate you. have a good weekend. i am going to go to break. when i come back, i have a song test for don. we'll be right back. my audible library is just like scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll, it's a lot. i downloaded audible and really, really enjoyed it. and then it kind of just became a lifestyle after that.

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