commander first speaking. >> obviously, the first and most important thing is information on the suspect, if they're still at large or been apprehended. put the community at ease and how many victims and lives if there have been any lost and how many people were injured. >> i appreciate both of you and our breaking news continues with anderson. good ervening. we're awaiting to hear from authorities in boulder, colorado, the scene of a second mass shooting in less than a week. this time at a supermarket in boulder, colorado. >> if there is shooter, active shooter somewhere, could be in the store. >> there is one in there. >> he went in the store? >> one right down there. >> oh, my god. guys, we got people down inside king soopers. look, there is -- [ gunshots ]

holy [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> now there is still much we do not know at this moment. this video shows motionless person on the scene suggesting potential victims, denver station kcnc spoke with the father with family members who were inside. >> i got the call from my daughter that my grandchildren and my son-in-law walked into the pharmacy for him to get a covid-19 shot and the shooter came in, shot the woman in front of them. they hid, ran upstairs or hiding in a coat close set for the las hour and trying to stay in contact with my daughter. >> reporter: you were in communication this whole time. >> through my daughter they were texting hiding in the coat closet, turned the phone off and hiding okay. you know, don't call -- the phone would ring and give away their position.

anyway, they're -- thank god they're fine. >> again, we're awaiting to hear from authorities. there is supposed to be a press conference at 7:45 and then told it's been moved to the top of the hour which should be any time now. lucy is on the scene for us tonight. so what is the latest? >> caller: well, anderson, we're waiting to be briefed by the boulder police commissioner and the boulder district attorney. i'm standing about 200 yards from that king soopers supermarket where this tragic situation unfolded today. we don't know exactly what took place. we know that around 2:49 p.m. local time boulder police officials tweeted a warning for people to avoid the area because of an active shooter. we saw multiple agencies local law enforcement responding to the situation. video taken by one eyewitness appeared to show motionless individuals on the ground, both outside of the store and inside of the store and authorities haven't really given us any information about suspects, shooters, victims.

we simply don't know anything at the moment. we did see one individual, he wasn't wearing a shirt. he wasn't wearing shoes. he had blood running down his leg. he was escorted by police in handcuffs and placed into an ambulance and then was taken away but we simply don't know from officials who that individual was and what role he played in what unfolded today. you know, another eyewitness told cnn that he heard something like eight gunshots fired. he said customers rushed to the back of the store and em 3ploye helped them get out. employees helped them file out the back. he said he felt like boulder felt like a safe bubble and that bubble burst tonight. >> the location of this store, it looks pretty large, am i right in believing that? it looks like sort of a super store. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, this is a huge shopping area. there is a whole foods behind me, a grill, h and r block, all

kinds of shops and this was supposed to be a quiet monday afternoon. we were actually expecting a snowstorm here in denver. i'm in boulder. this would have been a good time to stock up on supplies. people were preparing for the weather and instead we're talking about the aftermath of yet another tragic shooting in america. >> is it clear what time this started? >> reporter: it seems like it started somewhere around 2:30. one of the eyewitnesss said that he texted his wife at 2:30 to call him and two minutes later, he heard the gunshots so around then and at 2:49 boulder police tweeted for people to get -- stay away from the area. >> excuse me. if this is an active shooter situation, often times the first minutes are critical in terms of the police response. do we know much about the operations, obviously, we're seeing a lot of heavily armed police there just 340e789ds ago in this video we're watching but

do we know when police arrived at the scene or any of those details? >> reporter: i'm not sure exactly when police arrived to the scene. i can tell you when i arrived to the scene which was probably an hour and a half after this hap happened, you had law enforcement from all of the local areas on the ground responding. you had broomfield officers, people from denver, people from louisville, the fbi were here. we saw fbi agents working around. we don't know if they were investigating or interviewing witnesses or what their role was. definitely a multiple agency response but we simply don't know what time the police responded to this incident. again, footage taken by that one live streaming individual showed multiple bodies on the ground. extremely disturbing. some of the witnesses described hearing multiple gunshots fired. one heart warming thing to hear from the witnesses who were inside, i mean, they're traumatized by this experience but did describe people helping

one another, younger people helping the elderly, people turning to one another to escape for their lives effectively in this tragic situation, anderson. >> thank you so much. prospective from cnn contributor andrew mccabe and cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and former philadelphia police commissioner and washington d.c. police chief. andrew, you know, when you look at active shooter situations and i read the fbi profile of they have done reviews of basically all the active shooter situations that have occurred in this country, and those first moments, those first six minutes or so are really critical. >> extremely critical, anderson. it's, you know, the major rethinking of how to respond to mass shooter active shooter events that took place after columbine and after virginia tech and other disasters really led to a lot of reforms in the

way police agencies think about and respond to these events. so one of them, and i think you saw it in one of the videos we saw earlier tonight, first responders. these are cops on the beat. not swat officers but actual just police officers who would respond to a radio call, it's routine that they carry pretty impressive high powered assault rifles in their vehicles and it's for this purpose. so if they get called to an active shooter scenario, they will have the weapons they need to address the shooter who may very well be armed with the same sort of weapons and they can just get that stuff out of their car and go inside if that's what is called for without even waiting for a tactical team to arrive. >> chief ramsey, you're very familiar with washington and philadelphia. i know the navy yard shooting in washington d.c., the first officers on the scene, i think if my memory serves me correct, there was a bicycle police

officer, there was a military police officer, there was another police officer. they were the first ones who kind of banded together and entered the scene even with i think most of them had handguns. >> they don't last long. these shootings take place quickly. you may or may not have a long gun but you go with what you have. that's how they are trained. you form up and go after them and neutralize the threat. and it puts officers in a very dangerous position but that's what policing is. you do what you have to do to save lives. >> do you know -- i know a number of new york city -- i a

number of law enforcement departments have revamped their training as deputy director mccabe said every police officer has to go through this training. is that wide spread in a police department small and large? >> i think it's pretty wide spread certainly in the large agencies it is. i've been to new york's new police academy and very sophisticated. everyone doesn't have access to something like that. we used to train in old school buildings where we'd have active shooter drills take place there. yeah, practice, practice, practice and again, it involves those beat officers, the officers that are going to be the first to respond. it's not going to be the swat team. swat teams have to be assembled. by the time they get there

usually it's over. those first officers that have to be the ones to make that entry and neutralize the threat. i'm not taking anything away from swat. that's just the reality how fast these things happen. >> yeah, i'm -- i just want to remind our viewers. we're expecting a press conference any minute now. we haven't gotten updates from the police any details of what actually occurred inside that store earlier today that was supposed to be at 7:45. it now been pushed -- it was pushed to 8:00. it's now obviously 8:10 so we'll bring that to you as soon as it goes live. director mccabe, you were saying, you know, how this really did change after columbine with columbine they basically roped off and tried to secure the area, which was the protocol at the time waiting for the swat teams to assemble in -- and i guess that's based on the notion that things used to be hostage situations and that's less so now it's more of these active shooter situations.

>> that's right, anderson. it's -- the thought is that people are likely to die as chief ramsey said very quickly while that shooter is still moving around. classic police training was you get to the scene of a crime and you see that there is something really out of the ordinary going on there are shots fired. you hold and take a position of cover and call for backup and these active shooter er situati have blown that up. now police officers are trained when they respond to a situation if it's a shooting no process. they have to get inside and save lives before and stop the carnage before death takes police. it's something police officers around the country train for every day. the fbi tries to provide that training to smaller kind of less resourced police departments. they have teams that go out

literally hundreds of times a year and train smaller state and local police agencies so that there is a consistent standard of response across the country. everybody is working off the same sheet of music. >> you're seeing people coming out with hands raised just in the video before this that is a person who has been handcuffed and put into an ambulance for unknown reasons. many in a situation like this as you likely know, anybody that leaves the store has to leave with their hands up. police obviously need to make sure that whoever was involved in this is not just kind of walking away in the crowd of people as they leave. so want to bring in julia. obviously, these are some disturbing images we have seen now. i'm wondering what you make of the thing so far with the little we know. >> to be brutally honest, i don't like delayed press confe conferences. we have not heard what is going

on. this is i think the third delay since we've been monitoring this. it means they are probably collecting information and the story is not simple, unfortunately. we've seen this before. remember, i was with you during walmart i think in texas, same thing. so we braced ourselves for whatever news may come. and i do think that colorado is smart and boulder is smart to be waiting. they need to get this right from the outset because there is already lots of speculation about motive and the kind of world we live in and what it's related to. that's the first thing. so we will wait, but as i said, i just don't think the story line is simple at this stage that you can just, you know, sort of -- i think they are still collecting information. the other is both the other gentlemen said that the surging of resources when something like this happens is relatively new and ironically and sadly, it is new since columbine which is down the road from where this

happened. the idea of standing back is no longer there. that the mass shootiing incidens we're too familiar with, public safety, homeland security learned that lesson quickly that you are just going to surge resources. i don't know what to make of this much law enforcement in the sense that i would expect this much law enforcement regardless because everyone is going to surge resources. someone i talked to in colorado confirmed that there are -- staging areas around so it may look like a bigger crime scene than it actually is and you want to search those resources because you have to get people out alive and then you have to tend to the injured and honor the dead and contact their families. so a little bit concerned about the delays. i'll just -- you know, i've done this enough i don't think i'm speculating that a delayed press conference is never a good thing. >> yeah, and as we said, we're waiting for a press conference any minute now from police.

joining us is kevin daily owning a pizza shop close to king soopers. thanks for joining us. sorry it's under these circumstances. can you tell us what you heard or saw? >> yeah, thanks, anderson. we were here getting the restaurant ready to reopen after being closed down for covid and looked out the windows into the parking lot right where you're looking now and saw a ton of police just pulling in really quickly. we started to watch very briefly from the window and realized we should probably take cover so we went into the office and then we found that live stream and then we realized it was really dangerous. i called our team. we have another restaurant upstairs so i called the team and told them to shelter in place and watch that live stream, which was crazy. >> and around what time was it that you first realized something was up? >> you know, i don't even know the time. i don't remember. >> okay. >> it one of those things where you think about everything you

can do better. we're not really trained for this. >> in a situation like this, time can play tricks with one. how far, how close are you -- is your piz zeria to the king soopers? >> a few hundred feet. >> have you ever seen anything like this in in area? >> no, boulder is a. did kind of community. we are a loving, hippie community that believes in kindness. so we're pretty progun, proanti gun and gun right, gun control and it's not something we thought would ever happen here. >> the king soopers, it's -- i mean, it looks like a huge store. >> yes, it is. yeah, we almost walked over for lunch around the same time. it's really frightening. i wish we didn't have to keep dealing with this. i don't want to get political but this shouldn't have to happen in america. >> kevin, i appreciate you talking to us and again, i'm

sorry it's under these circumstances and i'm glad you're able to start thinking about reopening and wish you the best with that, as well. thank you. >> thank you. >> andrew mccabe, charles ramsey, julia back with us. you were talking about the -- obviously your experiences with the fbi. we're told fbi is on the scene here. why would that be at this stage? >> well, it's pretty standard, anderson, with a massive law enforcement response like this, you're going to have some representatives from the lock ld field office, which in this case is denver are going to be out there. they're going to coordinate with the incident command, which is the collection of leadership there on the scene that kind of run the response to the incident. the fbi representatives will go and let them know they're there and offer support of all different sorts, anything from tactical team, swat teams, all the way to evidence collection teams that can be very, very helpful to a police department that then is going to have a

massive crime scene, very complicated potentially toxic crime scene on their hands. there is a lot that the fbi can do in support of their local partners in times like this so we try to get people out there right away. >> and charles ramsey, just in terms of operationally, what is the process, it seems like there is not an active situation right now inside that store. what's the process that they are going through? >> well, i mean, i don't know in terms of an active shooter in the building has probably been taken care of and cleared. step two process the scene. if you have victims, you have to identify them and begin the slow process of processing the scene

and collecting as much information as possible. there is going to be a press conference but they need information and as far as how long it takes another reason it not a good sign if this is a scene with a lot of casualties, let's say, you're going to have a mayor or other elected officials that will probably want to be there and sometimes that takes time to get them there and get them fully briefed. there are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes when you have a scene like this. i agree with juliette, this is not going to be simple. this is more complicated. again, i think you're going to have one very large crime scene they will have to meticulously section off and go through and that will take time. that's probably what they are trying to organize and get a plan together in order to do that. >> juliette, obviously, as the chief was saying, there is a lot of things going into even holding a press conference, giving out information at a time like this.

they don't want anything that can affect the investigation but there also as you referenced before, if there are fatalities, there are family members to contact you don't want family members hearing something, you know, on television and obviously, people in this area know this has happened. this has been going on now for a number of hours. so there are already people who have been informed if there are fatalities or injuries and there are people that are worried about where their loved ones are now and calling and phones ringing. >> that's exactly right. two parts of this now, so the first is going to be next of kin, that's the hard part and if there are delays, you have to get that right. you cannot get that wrong as a public safety official. the family needs to be notified but the right people about what

happened, they have to identify the body wherever the body is. the second is family unification. this is a large market. i'm looking at the parking lot now. there is lots of people there and it's important people are able to find family members that may still be alive or potentially injuries, people may be alive but in hospitals. those two different processes are occurring. there is next of kin phone calls occurring now, those will be -- they have to be complete. i can't be more clear here. they will have to be complete before you do a press conference. it's just -- you have to respect the family and the dead. that's what is going on right now as both the family unification and the next of kin if there are next of kin phone calls about fatalities. >> it is such a horrible task and a task that too many police departments around the country had to go through time and time again.

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feel the clarity, and live claritin clear. we're polfollowing breaking news, a shooting at a boulder, colorado shopping market. this is some of the video we seen as it happened. >> we don't know if there is a shooter, active shooter somewhere. could be in the store. >> there is one in there. >> he went in the store? >> there is one right down there. >> oh, my god. guys, we got people down inside king soopers. look, there is -- [ gunshots ]. holy [ bleep ]. >> we know that the police response was considerable as you've seen in some images. we do not yet know about fatalities of injuries. we're expecting to hear specifics from a press conference that was supposed to take place 45 minutes ago or so.

we're told it should be 8:30, that's about three minutes away from now. back with charles ramsey, andrew mccabe and juliette. andrew, how much at this point is about the motive of the individual or individuals involved in this and how much is simply, you know, dealing with witnesses, dealing with fatalities or injuries if there are any and just dealing with the crime scene itself? >> sure, so initially of course, it's about stopping the violence, right? clearly, we seem to be beyond that point with this scene so now it about kind of clearing the scene, making sure there is no more shooting and tactical teams go through that location like with a fine tooth comb and search every inch for additional people, shooters, victims that kind of thing and then you're trying to get aid to any victims who need to be, you know, seek medical attention, that sort of thing and then you start

thinking about processing that crime scene. so you are really a good ways away from really digging in on a thorough investigation of the shooter or shooters involved, and so over the days that follow, i suspect most of our conversations will be about just that. who is this person? what compelled them to take this incredibly violent act? what was that person's motivation and what does that motivation tell us about the type of incident we're looking at? is it a domestic violence situation? is it just an incident of mental illness or is it potentially, you know, something different motivated by ideology or grievance or certainly we've seen that with a lot of mass shootings in the past. >> yeah. chief ramsey, just in terms of what happens next, there will be a press conference and i assume

police will be on the scene all night long. >> oh, yeah, they will be there all night long. this will be a situation where depending on the scene itself and i mean, kind of speculating here a bit but if it's any -- if it's a scene that has multiple fatalities, there will be holding that seen for quite awhile until it thoroughly processed so you can expect to see a fairly significant police presence over the next several hours, if not the next day. >> and juliette, who is it who does reach out to family members, who does try to kind of organize the reunions, reunifications. we saw some people seated down being given blankets and sheets to stay warm. i don't know -- you know, we're not sure who they were. but who is -- is that left to the police department? >> generally it would be. what you see here is i think

andy was saying it was an incident command structure has clearly been set up. that's when a lot of different agencies come together and they sort of have to form under a hierarchy process so that there is an incident commander leading it, likely a boulder police officer, senior leader and then there is just different pieces to it. i know this is for lay people, this may look complicated. it actually quite simple. there is just different what we call verticals or divisions so there is people who are, you know, ensuring that we don't have an active shooter incident and people involved with the investigation and people involved with ambulance and health and those that might be injured and there will probably be -- there is a community out reach aspect to it and that would be next of kin. so it's -- this is -- we choose this. i will be clear now. we choose this in the sense of we have to do this because of

the number of active shooters in this country that we had to get better at it in terms of this dance, right? in terms of this incident command because too many people were dying by gun violence. we choose this as a nation because we have so many guns and so therefore public safety officials and those who support them unfortunately, are getting better each time in responding. >> i just want to check in with lucy in boulder who has been covering this. we believe the press conference is going to take place any moment, though, i assume you're in the area where the proess conference is. it doesn't look like much is happening. >> reporter: yeah, we've been waiting to be briefed by the boulder police commissioner and district attorney for more than 45 minutes now. we're not sure what is behind the delay. i think one of your guests made a good point, it's never a good sign when these kinds of press

conferences get delayed. it's probably an indication it's a complicated story and does seem to be complicated. we didn't hear anything formal from authorities since she vent took place and we haven'tive sh concluded. we're about 200 yards from that king sooper's location. very heavy law enforcement press sense. there is swat teams. there is local police. there is fire officials. there is fbi agents we've seen on the ground, you know, cars and lights as far as the eye can see. this entire shopping mall and it is a very large shopping area here in boulder has been taped off. the officers told me most of the stores were shut down for people's safety and protection. you can actually see employees inside some of these shots that have it all left to go home yet, so it's still an active scene. but yeah, no details on who the shooter might be if there is more than one shooter, we know that from the video that's

emerged that there are multiple people who sadly lost their lives today but we don't have details who they were or the circumstances. we know around 2:49 p.m.boulderd a warning to stay away. the eyewitness that showed motionless people, bodies on the ground outside in the parking lot and also inside the store. at least one eyewitness who spoke to cnn said that he texted his wife about 3:30 p.m., parten me, 2:30 p.m. local time and two minutes later started hearing gunfire. he said they ran into the back. the employees were helping the customers file out. people were leaning on one another. helping each other to escape for their lives and, you know, he said that he went to the supermarket to buy a bag of chips and a soda and nearly lost his life. he was in shock, anderson, as all of us are. >> and is it clear to you people

who were in the store, have they all been taken out of store? >> reporter: we've seen footage of individuals escorted from the store. we can only imagine -- okay, there is sort of an announcement possibly letting us know they will be delayed even more. to answer your question, we know people were removed from here. we don't believe there is individuals inside yet and we know the eyewitnesss speaking to cnn were kept in the parking lot area probably being debriefed by police and other officials on the ground and probably in shock and, you know, probably had to be interviewed. i don't know. we haven't accessed that area. i don't believe those individuals would be in the store now. i'm looking away from the camera to find out what is happening to the press conference. it looks like it being delayed a little bit more again. again, we desperately need this

press conference to take place because we don't have any facts from officials, anderson. >> we'll be waiting for that. l l lucy, we'll check back in. andrew mccabe, the variety of police departments, we assume some sort of swat units in military almost garb and others in standard police uniforms. is it just that calls go out and anybody responds? >> you know, it's impossible to keep information about an incident like this kind of close hold. so it spreads through the law enforcement, the local law enforcement community very quickly and typically, we have a situation that we refer to as self-deployment, so often officers from surrounding departments and other agencies, federal agencies will just go to the scene and it is with the

best intentions in mind. they want to be there to help. they want to be there, whether it's escort victims and witnesses or actually help with tactical issues and stuff but sometimes it can create more of a problem than it solves. i remember in the navy yard shootings, you had so many d.c. law enforcement folks came in that it was hard to get access to the scene. similarly in the aurora, colorado shooting, one of the problems is they couldn't get the ambulances to the movie theater to evacuate the wounded because the area had so many police vehicles. it gets very crowded at these crisis scenes. you know, good intentions but sometimes causes a problem. >> yeah, you know, chief ramsey, one of the things that has now been quite well documented in new york and seen in new york are -- and i assume they still have it, hercules teams which were heavily armed swat teams

that were always on duty and would be -- would appear at various parts of the city and would kind of move around the city throughout the day just being a visual presence but also, already on duty and able to respond if there was some sort of active shooter situation. obviously, a lot of cities don't have the resources where they can have swat units that are mobilized at all times. >> yeah, that's true. i mean, new york is an exception because there is a large, obviously, they have the resources to do that sort of thing. many large departments do have swat teams that are available around the clock but often times especially in the early morning hours they would have to call in additional support depending on the nature of the call and the scene. it depends on the jurisdiction, here around boulder, colorado, they may have mutual aid agreements when something like this takes place but andrew said

something is very important and that is one of the challenges you have with a situation like that is having over response to it where it makes it very difficult to manage the scene because you have too many people showing up. you need the right people there to be able to deal with the situation not just necessarily anybody who is close by so initial response, yeah, you want to get people there but at some point, a supervisor has to take control, start making sure that you have a way in and out for ambulances and heavy equipment like swat teams and all that sort of thing. they have to really organize that scene, otherwise, it will get clogged up in a hurry. >> we're told now that the press conference will be about two minutes or so from now so obviously, we'll continue to bring that to you live when that

happens. in terms of the length of time here, our reporter said lucy said 2:49 local time, 3:49 on the east coast, the police department tweeted out people -- that people should stay away from the area. so this has been going on now for almost five -- something has been going on there for at least five hours. >> right. so i've been monitoring their social media. they were very fast and really good. police departments got excellent at this acre noknowledging some is happening. we're hearing reports of an active shooter stay clear but not disclosing anything that may be false because at that stage you don't know what is going on. i think colorado, i think the police department were really smart in getting out there quickly to let people get away from the crime scene. where i -- where we could use more information would be

whether there continues to be an anan active threat. there doesn't appear to be and whether a suspect is in custody. we know these cases often don't involve just one person so we should -- if that is true, that should also be disclosed. so this is a long time. this is -- i just saw -- i'll say it again. this is a long time and so we do have to be prepared that the news will, you know, will be dramatic and also, it means that the investigation is likely to be long if -- in terms of who the person is and if it's the person we saw, what were motives, where did they get the gun, you had one eyewitness say it was a covid vaccine facility. things like that that are raised by eyewitnesss and you want to be able to shoot down or support because we need to know motive

at this stage or as someone said, work force issue. >> chief ramsey, frankly, we have no idea what motive is at this point? >> yeah. >> no, it will be awhile before we do know and the motive is more than likely until it's domestically related or disgrunted employee or something of that nighature. right now, the most i'm moore ta -- important thing if you have casualties, family is notified. thing if you have casualties, family is notified. nobody wants to see that on television. you may have high level officials coming into the scene to be part of the press conference. there is a reason why there is delay as long as it is. one thing is that we will get a timeline laid out. that's probably one thing they will do right at the very beginning or near the beginning is layout the timeline. when did the first call come in? >> when did thwhen did the poli?

is the shooter in dcustody? is the shooter dead? those will be part of what this press conference will unveil. >> andrew, in reading the f bl bi's study of active shooters in the country, one interesting thing that stands out is how in some cases and again, we don't know what the situation is here, but that in some of the active shooter situations we've seen, over time often times people not only want attention but they want -- they learn from previous active shooting situations. they actually study previous active shooting situations. >> that's absolutely right. and, you know, columbine is probably the best example of that. columbine had this out sized inspirational effect on many, many people but certainly to include some folks who have gone on to commit shootings, we also know that other mass shooters

like bravic in the netherlands has been sited by shooters here and the church shootings, the walmart shooter in texas two years ago. in this ever inner connected world where many times mass shooters are able to most manifestos or writings or thoughts on their views on the world or grievances or anything else, those things can often times have a lot of significance and an inspirational factor to other troubled extremists who decide to pursue the same sort of violence. it really -- we seen a direct line of -- i don't want to say causation but inspiration between many of these events. >> you know, juliette, i talked to many people who have lost loved ones in situations, in

active shooting situations and they talk about the feeling that they get every time there is another one that they hear about and it instantly brings them back to the situation when they lost their loved one and there is this sadly this family of community of people in this country who have lost people in this way. >> yeah, it's an american story, right? these mass shootings connect people in a way that other countries don't experience. i think it's -- if you live here, it is hard to and you're american, it hard to grasp sometimes how unique our gun culture is and the consequence of that, not getting into any constitutional debate but the consequence of that is this through line in america -- in modern american history that links these families and victims

but also our first responders, police officers, their families across all of these shootings. every single one and that is, as i said, that's uniquely american and not in a good way. >> there is -- yeah. again, we are awaiting this press conference, which, again, i'm not going to even give any time expectation because it does keep getting moved back. there is a sense, clearly, there is loss of life and we are awaiting to hear the details and obviously, authorities want to make sure that any family members have been notified of such, and chief ramsey, in terms of what needs to be learned? what are the questions as a former police chief that you want kind of to hear and have answered at this stage?

>> well, i mean, very basic. obviously, questions about the shooter. is he in custody? is he not? do we have him ided yet? do we have a timeline? also about the victims if there are in fact, victims and unfortunately, i believe there will be victims. you may not get names. i doubt if you'll get names, but at least numbers. and maybe even demographics in terms of sex and so forth, but i don't really look to get too much in terms of specifics around any victims at this point in time. and that's because again, you have extended family and others that need to be notified but the shooter, was he in a car? have they got anything there? does he have a house or apartment to be getting search warrants? there is a lot of stuff that will take place as this

progresses right now but you'll get basic information. >> joining us by phone is jessica. thank you for being with us. can you tell us what you saw or heard? >> yeah, so i was in the tattoo by king soopers laying on the table and all of a sudden, we heard pop, pop, crack, crack and we all kind of stopped what we were doing and heard glass shattering so we went outside of the shop and saw that this yoga studio to the right of us, their window, looks like it had been shot in and people were kind of running out of king soopers. everybody is looking that way and then we hear the sirens coming and i'm like so many police officers pulled into that place, and came out with their guns like swat came in there, then they just started sweeping the place telling everyone to get back in wherever they were, lock the doors, stay away from the windows so that's what we did. >> and i know sometimes it's hard to remember kind of time,

but from the time you heard the shots to seeing the police come in, what sort of time frame are you talking about? >> maybe five minutes because right when the shots came, i texted my sister who is at a restaurant down stairs and was telling her to get back to the shop because something weird is going on and then i heard on the phone with her i heard the sirens already. it was pretty dang quick. >> do you know what time you texted or what time you heard the shots? >> yeah. let's see. yeah, i texted her at 2:32 p.m. and i said something wild is happening outside. come back into the shop now. so. >> so at 2:32 is when you heard the initial shots and about how many shots did you hear in total? >> i think it was four. one was like a pop, pop and then the other one was like a crack, crack. so i'm thinking there were two different guns but not sure,

obviously. >> and the shots, you said -- sorry, i don't know the location well enough. you talked about the tattoo parlor, the yoga studio and the store itself. how far is the tattoo parlor and are the tattoo parlor next to the yoga store? >> yes, those two are right next to each other and then we're probably like 200 yards from king soopers at that point. >> okay. but it looked like that the window of the yoga place had been hit? >> yeah, because we heard that and saw shadows because the window is opaque. you can just see shod does so we saw two shadows run to the left and then to the right so looks like they went behind the building like what is going on so we went outside, saw the window and then the cops started showing up. >> was there glass on the ground from the window? so it was a new break? >> yeah, there was glass on the ground. >> okay. so it's unclear to you what it

was that caused the shattered window, whether it was an individual who may have been involved in an incident inside the store or >> yeah, the other studio is closed right now because they had a pipe burst. we're not sure if it was related to the actual shooting. that's just what got our attention. >> and what's -- where are you now? are you still on the scene? >> no, we were able to leave. we were locked in there until about -- let's see, what time is it? 6:50, so probably about 5:45 is when they let us go. they came to the door and said how many people are in there? we'll get you out of here. about an hour later, the cops started leaving and we got from twitter and stuff, we saw they were heading to 17th street to apparently, i don't know fw it was related to the shooting, but they were sending s.w.a.t. there. >> you said it was about, you

know, within a five-minute range that you heard sirens after the shots. >> yes, definitely. >> jessica, i really appreciate your time. i'm glad you're okay, and i appreciate you talking to us as we're trying to piece together information on this. >> yeah, no problem at all. call if you need anything else. >> take care, jessica crumby, thanks so much. >> andrew, in terms of what else is going on, you know, chief ramsey was mentioning the idea of getting search warrants, things like that. that's once they have id'd anybody who night be involved. then they have to go through the legal process and get search warrants to visit their place of residence. >> that's exactly right. and again, that's something that you're going to do with a great deal of caution. i'll draw your attention -- >> sorry, andrew. let me just interrupt. according to sources, what we know is one police officer has been killed in the store shooting.

we don't have any details on that, but that is the newest information that we have. let's go to the press conference right now. >> deion shared, we had a very tragic incident today here at the king soopers. there was loss of life. we have multiple people who were killed in this incident. and i am sorry to have to report that one of them was a boulder police officer. during this trying time, i would ask the media and the public to honor the privacy of the officer's family and his coworkers here at the police department. i will also share that we got tremendous support from our fellow law enforcement agencies, both in boulder county, which some of them you see behind me, the fbi, atf, and other denver

metro agencies. without that quick response, we don't know if there would have been more loss of life. i can share with the public today or this evening that there is no ongoing public threat, that we do have a person of interest in custody. that person was injured during the incident and is being treated for the injuries. >> good evening. my nak is michael doherty. i'm the district attorney for boulder county. this is a tragedy and a nightmare for boulder county, and we have cooperation from local, state, and federal authorities. this will very much be a coordinated effort, and we'll stand united in support of the victims and their families to insure justice is done.

it's very early stage in the investigation, as you have heard, and we have a lot of work to do. but we will be giving out more information as that becomes available and as we nail down the facts here as commanding yamaguchi said, there is an individual in custody currently with multiple victims, and we'll be doing everything we can to fight for them and their families to make sure that we reach the right and just outcome. thank you. >> good evening. i'm kelly mcgannen, spokesperson for king soopers. our hearts are broken over this senseless act of violence. the entire king soopers family offers our thoughts, prayers, and support to our associates, our customers, and first responders who so bravely responded to these acts of violence. we are working in full cooperation with local law enforcement and we'll be deferring all questions to them

for the integrity of the investigation. thank you. >> take a few questions. >> can you tell us what happened? >> so as has already been mentioned -- as has already been mentioned, very early in the investigation. as deion shared that we have responded here. officers were here within minutes of the initial 911 calls. and entered the building very quickly. >> do you know any possible motive for this? >> very early in the investigation, we don't have any details that i can share at this point. there won't be additional information released as it's gathered and it's appropriate to release, but that will come from the boulder police department. >> when did it happen?

>> just before 3:00 today. >> can you tell us how many people have died? >> we're very early in the investigation. we are still processing the scene. >> do you know if the shooter said anything as the shooter entered the building? >> that will be part of the investigation. >> what happened on 17th street? >> that was unrelated, we believe, to this incident. >> only one shooter? >> we're still investigating. >> were there injuries in addition to those who were killed? >> were there injuries in addition to those who were killed? >> at this point, the only injured party we are aware of, significant injury, was the suspect. we know of no other serious injuries at this point. >> no. >> do you know if there was any relationship between the gunman and the people that were shot? >> that will be part of the investigation. >> when you say multiple

fatalities, can you tell us how many? >> we don't know. they're still processing the scene. >> do you know how many people were in the store at the time? >> don't know. don't know how many are at the hospital currently. i know for sure there is one. >> commander, was there video of the video cameras that might have taped what happened? >> that's all going to be part of the investigation. >> does this man have any connection at all to king soopers or any of the workers? >> i am not aware of that. i don't know. that's part of the investigation. >> was your first call of a man and an active shooter in the parking lot and then it moved inside? >> so i haven't had a chance to review any of those calls. so i can't tell you what order things were reported to us. >> was this man wearing military gear? >> i'm sorry, i got two questions. >> military style, was he wearing military style gear during this? >> don't know. that will be part of the investigation. >> what about the weapon? >> don't have information on

that. as i said, the crime scene folks have just very recently entered the crime scene to start processing it. >> is the shirtless guy the person of interest, the shirtless man who was seen taken out in handcuffs and put in an ambulance? >> since i would be speculating on who you're talking about, i can't confirm that. >> not to be critical, but it's been more than three hours since you got the call. you can't tell us how many people are dead? >> i don't have that information right now. >> does anybody? >> that will be part of the investigation. >> is the suspect at boulder community? >> so if i could interject one moment. there's a lot of investigation already under way. a lot of things are being realized as the crime scene is being processed, including the number of victims, which is known to police investigators, but i want to stress that victims' family members are still being notified so we're being really sensitive to the victims' families. so i appreciate commander yamaguchi not giving out more information at this point. even for the facts of which we're certain, those conversations are going to

happen with the families first. those conversations are now taking place. >> if we know there are some -- >> we're going to be talking to families first and then giving out more information. >> okay. >> boulder police department is going to be giving out that information. i recognize the need to get the information out as soon as possible, but i also recognize we have one suspect in custody. we're going to insure justice is done. to do that, we're going to make sure we have the facts certain and understood before we start sharing them with the media and public. that's going to happen in the next couple hours. >> can you describe the suspect? >> you don't have to share the motive, but did he say why he did what he did? >> i don't have any information as to motive at this point. really early in the investigation. >> any identification? >> i cannot do that at this point, but i can promise you the boulder police department is going to be releasing more information in the next few hours. >> how are families who might be impacted by this, might be looking for loved ones -- >> so the cu police department

is helping with family members that may have questions about loved ones, and the chief will be providing more information for family members contact the cu police department for more information. >> there is a suspect in custody. there's no scheduled court appearances yet. >> any charges that have been filed? will any charges be filed? >> well, the suspect is being treated medically at the hospital right now. i can promise you that we're going to insure the right thing happens with this case. >> is this man from the boulder area? >> that's all i have at this point, but i appreciate you being here, and we'll be giving out more information. the boulder police department will be in charge of giving out more information. i'm going to ask the chief if she will just to let family members know where they can go or call in for notifications on possible victims. >> if you were in the parking lot or saw something, who should you call? >> thank you. if there are witnesses out there who have information, an