several hundred or a thousand dollars for the treatment. we're not using them that much. maybe it's an incentive to use it more. >> thanks so much. we appreciate it. just in terms of where we are so far in the pandemic, what are your thoughts right now? big picture. >> this is the big debate right now. you have heard from the cdc and worried about a potential fourth surge. you're hearing from other people. who don't think it will happen. we have vaccinated a significant percentage of the country that was most vulnerable. people over age 65. long term care facilities. that's good news. despite the fact the country is 15%. we have in a good way immunized people who need it the most. what i would say is that i'm worried a bit about the variants and seeing what we saw in

florida. with spring break. you could see more spread of the virus. at the same time, i think as we have protected people who are most likely to be hospitalized or die. even if cases go up, hopefully we won't see increase in hospitalization and death. fingers crossed. we have to be humble. >> appreciate it. thank you. if you are just joining us. chris cuomo is off. the worst history repeats itself in the wake of colorado's third mass shooting in a genere. columbine and aurora. and man who survived the latest one. the suspect and the weapon. and two mass shootings in two weeks. will it do anything on moving the needle on gun legislation? >> how is the community in boulder coping? >> i'm going to try to speak

softly here. because you can see where i am. this is just the fence right outside the shooting scene. this neighborhood grocery store. you can see that something we have been seeing all day. all the flowers that are being put along the chain link fence. and we have been talking to people as they stop here. a lot of them -- i'll walk over here. messages the various names. people saying we hold you in our hearts and all the nams of the victims being left here in card board boxes. kids cutting their names out in hearts. what you also hear amid the grief and community is a lot of anger. the way one man put it, you see hash tag boulder strong. go ahead and take the name boulder out and put in las vegas. put in your community. or the community next to you.

is that all of this ritual now is something that is so familiar. that it's almost knee jerk. it keeps happening. everyone knows exactly what to do here. because they have seen it on tv. and there's a lot of fatigue and amid- this hurt. that's what we're hearing from people. they are heartbroken but they are also incredibly tired. even though this is the first time this is touching boulder. >> what's the latest on the investigation? >> the investigation here you see the fence here. they are still in the process of collecting all of the evidence. remember we're talking about ten lives. there is a lot of evidence to gather. the police say it will take many days in order to gather that at the scene. and look where did the weapons come from. track that down. where did the artillery come

from. and the harder question is motive. what caused this? what in this man's life led him to get weapons and come here to this particular store. and that is where the investigation is. taking a look at the semantics of the evidence and the harder questions. >> what more are investigators learning about the shooter? >> we're actually getting quite a portrait painted from the people who knew this young man. the brother of the gunman says that he had been bullied in high school. that he was often upset because he was picked on for being a muslim. he says that he struggled with mental illness. he was becoming increasingly more paranoid. and upset by cameras around him. he tried to put tape over cameras. and we spoke to a friend of this

gunman who knew him since fifth grade. who said he was absolutely bullied. here's what he told us. >> people jealous. and because of his temper. people didn't talk to him because of how he acted. so, he was very alone. when he was with you he was approachable. >> you take that and put it with guns. that is a dangerous mix. here in boulder. >> thanks very much. joining us now. he lives in the neighborhood and finished shopping when the shooting began. thank you for being with us. i understand you just moved to colorado. across from the supermarket. what did you see leaving the store yesterday? >> i just checked out. very normal day.

not that busy. and as i was walking out the door, towards my car, i heard three very loud booms. and my immediate reaction was they were some sort of fire work or something along those lines. and it seemed strange for that time of day and this time of year. i looked up and saw a man with a beard. what i thought was possibly tactical sort of clothing. and ar 15 tile rifle. he was walking through the parking lot. and just shooting. towards the other door way. from where i was. >> he was shooting starting outside when he was already in the parking lot? >> absolutely. he started shooting basically right in front of the door i was exiting. it standing in between the rows of cars. just shooting across the parking

lot. not into the store. but across the store. to people that were at the other door way. or in the parking lot. >> what did you do? -- >> i immediately realize the severity of the situation. i just left my cart with the groceries right there. by the entrance of the store. and ran back in. and people didn't realize what was going on because they had this i think probably the same reaction i did before i saw him. it was some sort of fire work or some sort of backfire of a car or something. i ran in and i looked at the people that were working in the star bucks area. right in the entrance is the deli side where there's a lot of starbucks and sushi. i just told them we need to call

the police. and get out of here immediately. there's a man in the parking lot with an ar 15 shooting and they kind of looked at me strange. at first. and i'm wearing a mask of course. i don't know if they couldn't tell if i was joking. three more shots were heard by everyone at that point. and they kind of realize the severity of the situation. we started running that entire half of the store. and we just ran towards to the back of the store. and where the meat department is. and behind the counter to the back storage area. and went out through the door back there. that's the door they use for bringing in like loads from the different semi-trucks. and jumped off the loading dock and ran behind the store. at that point, some people were

in disbelief. and looking around like has anyone seen what's going on. yes, i saw it. there's a gunman. he's shooting in the parking lot. and keep going. we all ran. into the surrounding neighborhoods at that point. >> i know you live right across the street. >> yeah. >> you were concerned about your wife. who was there if the gunman left that area and went across the street. >> absolutely. that was -- once i was about two blocks away that was my biggest concern. from my perspective i didn't see him enter the store. i just saw him in the parking lot. my concern was what if he was shooting in the parking lot and run away. if he didn't go into the store, the next place he would run would be into the area i live. and i knew my wife was home on a

work call. on a zoom call. i was calling her frantically. multiple times. and not getting an answer. she was on a work call. i had to text her. emergency please call. she called me. kind of flustered like what's going on. get inside the bathroom and lock all the doors because there's a gunman shooting in our neighborhood. in the king soopers parking lot. i don't know if you're safe in the house. >> there's a lot of people who have been through something like this. but not everybody and nobody really knows how they'll react when it happens. just now that you have some 24 hours on this, what is it like to see that? to go through this out of the clear blue sky? >> it's surreal. you don't really expect to have to be in the sort of situation.

you don't really prepare or plan. i know that the modern generation probably does actually. i grew up in the 90s this was slightly before columbine. when i was in high school we didn't have the lock down drills or anything. so, yeah, you don't really expect you have to deal with that sort of situation. but, i have seen enough on the news to know that if you see someone that looks like that with an ar 15 it's your life is in danger. and you should probably get out of there immediately. because that's your only option. >> if you could stay with us. i want to bring in two people who have been where you are in the state where you are. surviving the aurora shooting. and the principal of columbine. appreciate you being here. frank, after you survived columbine you describe you joined a club that nobody wants to be a member of. sandy phillips her daughter was

killed in aurora. she's talked about that idea as well. what thoughts or counsel do you have for someone who is just experienced something like this? >> thanks for allowing me to speak tonight. i think we everybody in colorado when they saw what happened yesterday was retraumatized. i remember it was around 2:30 -- i was in columbine high school yesterday because we were planning the 22 year remembrance. and i start getting texts saying you see what's happening in boulder. my thoughts and prayers. it took me back to where i was 22 years ago. i think it's state of disbelief. right now the people in boulder it's almost denying believing it happened. it was a blur. we were just there and just everything that was happening and i think in colorado we have seen things.

columbine and aurora theater shooting. stem academy. so many, planned parenthood. it's to the point we're in the state of disbelief. but the most important thing moving forward and we're reaching out to help them because i joined a club in which nobody wants to be a member. we tell the people we know what you're feeling. we have experienced that. we can help and we're a phone call away. in helping that community. >> i know you spoke with your sister today about what was going through your mind after surviving aurora in 2012. what helped you the most in those initial days? >> i was speaking to the media just really having an out let. you don't know when you're in this like big mix up of a tragedy, you don't know how much talking about it helps. so i really commend brian on telling his story today.

it like touched me so deeply because to hear it and know the mind set that he was going through at the time. and even thinking back about the life changing things that are going to come about now. >> yeah. brian, i keep thinking about how strange this situation you were in. you walk out of the store and see the man and what is about to happen. what already happened. but what is about to happen inside the store and go into the store where people -- at this point are unaware. that must have been a bizarre jux to position to have the knowledge of what's right outside the story about to come in. >> absolutely. there was a man who was right behind me with a cart. who was about to leave out that exact door. and i had to stop him. he looked at me in disbelief.

why would you stop me. it's very strange for someone to -- i said don't go out that door. we have to get out of here. and i almost feel like i was in a better position than them. i knew what was happening. at that moment. i had seen it and lucky enough he didn't look at me. he was shooting in the opposite direction. but the other people just somewhat had to take my word for it and believe the noise were shooting and what i was saying was true. that was when they left back at the store, i think a lot of people were just like is this real? it's that mob mentality. people start running and other people start running because people are running. people were in disbelief. i knew i had seen it with my own eyes and knew the danger we were in. >> we have to take a break. if you can just stay around i would like to continue the

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three survivors of three colorado mass shootings. columbine, aurora and boulder. let me ask you at columbine so much has changed since and because of columbine. every law enforcement person you talk to will say that after it was studied what happened. police tactics changed. you don't just create a perimeter and wait for swat. you have to go in immediately. most deaths are in the first several minutes. it's not a hostage situation. which is what it traditionally had thought to be pre-columbine.

do you see changes in how these are handled? >> most definitely. what you just touched upon is so true. there was a school resource officer that day exchanging gunfire. the protocol was secure the perimeter. and wait for swat to arrive. unfortunately i know i was there, i got out of the building within 30 minutes of gunshots being fired. and these police officers were ready to break protocol to go in. because they knew this was happening. they had to wait for swat to arrive. and i truly believe that if protocol that we have in place today what you're seeing happening up in boulder. they are engaging. single officers engage. the fatality rate would not have been what it was. there was so many lessons learned and we keep learning. we have to stop the senseless shootings.

>> one of the teachers in columbine, i should know this. my memory is bled to death after helping other students get to safety. >> yeah. it was dave sanders. >> yeah. >> very dear friend of mine. he saved my life. because when he came up the staircase just helping kids getting kids out of the building as the gunman was coming after me and other students, they stopped momentarily and shot dave. and that got me and the girls into an area that we were able to protect ourselves. but by the time they got to the paramedics got in and protocol it was three hours later and he didn't make it. >> it pains me that i couldn't remember his name. every year i go through a list of people's names who have been

killed. and in incidents i have covered. and try to remember the names. it pains me that i often can't. there are now so many. do you worry that people forget about these events after they happen? >> i mean, yes and no. i obviously want people to return to as normal as life as possible. and not be plagued by fear and sadness. but also it warms my heart so much to know you try to remember the victims names because that is why i continue to do interviews. i never want people to forget john. he's the most important person in my life. i wouldn't be here without him. i continue to want to remember his heroism like that. >> it was jessica who was killed in aurora. her mom who we talked to last

night. it was her brother who i keep in touch with. who in the days after aurora the first person said you shouldn't name the killer. you shouldn't name the shooter. you should focus on the people whose lives were lost. not encourage others by naming and getting publicity to the killer. that's something i have taken to heart. frank, what should brian or anybody who has been through this shooting what should they think about and prepare for in the days ahead? >> there will be so many different stages to go through. and when i was listening to brian just give his testimony, i admire you for sharing it flt you'll help others. one of the things that state of denial and the best piece of advice i received. you are being pulled in so many

directions. if you don't help yourself you can't help others. i had a conversation with a vietnam vet who my mom worked for and shared with me. he never got the help he needed when he got back. and he said if you're going to be able to help other people. help yourself. and there's counsellors out there. seek help. what you went through i think people think they'll wake up some morning and it will be normal. it's not. it's a marathon not a sprint. there's going to be days saying everything is going well. and something triggers an emotion. yesterday for all of us, whether aurora, columbine or whatever mass tragedy happened here. or around the country. they saw that they took them back to relive it. find that support system for yourself and if i can offer any

encouragement, the columbine community today is stronger than what it was because we came together. and i know colorado and the people in colorado they'll come together as one. because we look at this as a family. you have so many people to help you. >> frank and brian i appreciate you all being with us. and having this conversation. it's not easy. i hope it's helpful to the people out there. i wish you the best in the days ahead. thank you all so much. thank you. >> coming up. president biden demands congress do something after the nations latest mass shooting. the question what changes with democrats running washington. congressman and a mass shooting survivor joins us next.

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as the community grieves in boulder president biden is demanding congress move on gun control. >> i don't need to wait another minute. let alone hour. to take common sense steps to save the lives in the future and urge colleagues in the house and senate to act. we can ban assault weapons. and hide capacity magazines. in this country once again. i got that done when i was a senator. it passed. it was a law for the longest time. it brought down the mass killings. we should do it again. we can close the loophole in the background check system

including the charleston loophole. >> democratic congresswoman of california. shot five times in the airport in 1978. her boss at the time was murdered on tarmac. after investigating the people's temple. where a madman leaves 900 followers to their death. she joins us now. thank you for being with us. i'm sorry it's under neez circumstances. what you went through was an extraordinary ordeal. waiting 22 hours on the airstrip before help arrived. when you see a tragedy like this, does it bring you back to that? how do you deal with seeing these things? >> it creates a churning in my stomach. i know what we have to do. i know it's not a heavy lift. we're just trying to close a loophole in existing laws and we still can't get the senate to

act. there's 600 mass shootings a year in the united states. it was 50% higher this year than in 2020. than 2019. we have 40% of all the guns in the world in the united states. and we have 30% of the shooters. at some point, we have to realize people have a right to own guns. and to use them appropriately. persons who are convicted of misdemeanor or higher domestic violence. and persons having mental illness. what's interesting about the two shooters in atlanta and boulder, they both bought the guns with within days of committing this heinous act. so, we have got to to do more to make it safe to go to school, church, the grocery store. and we just have i'm so sick of

prayers and thoughts. i walk off the house floor when we do moments of silence. it's so hypocritical. or who have been shot and wounded. every day 100 people die and 200 people are wounded in the united states. living with scars for the rest of their life. >> you tweeted today assault weapons are weapon of war. similar to years past by retired general. what are the actual chances a ban could pass congress? the senate can't even pass expanded background checks. >> we have done it before. we can do it again. as president biden said. it was in place for ten years and when it was there was a reduction of mass shootings. he was able to kill ten people. not anyone wounded.

killed. and it's because of the rapid fire on the assault weapons. you have more fire power than the law enforcement officer, there's something fundamentally wrong. we don't need assault weapons to kill bambi. it's something we have to come to grips with in the country. >> the house is passing two gun safety bills. but even with the democratic majority in the senate. they can't get the vote because of the filibuster threshold. >> i think we're seeing more and more evidence of how totally dysfunctional congress is. if you are going to retain the filibuster. we are long past the senate being this entity that is one that is engaged in debate. they don't debate now when they engage in a filibuster. they just sit there for a few moments and walk off. so, i think that unfortunately

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democratic senator one of strongest supporters of getting gun control passed in senate told me he realizes it's an uphill struggle but believes some republicans will listen. especially in the latest shooting. former democratic south carolina state lawmaker and both cnn commentators. biden led the efforts to get gun control passed in sandy hook. if getting gun control passed after 20 children were slaughtered in a classroom wasn't enough to compel congress to act. why would this? >> i agree with you. i don't know if it's the cynic or not. if you kill 20 of the smallest of us and there's no action in the united states congress, i have no belief there will be

action today. no matter what the platitude is. back to 1995 a lot of times we go to columbine. in 1999. in south carolina we had a school shooting and you had columbine. think about millennials they have grown up under the arm of terror. 9/11 and domestic terror. with the school shootings. we have grown up with the mass shootings. that type of anxiety having bullet proof book bags. this is the america we live in. i'm not someone -- we're waiting if you listen to republicans we're waiting on president obama take your guns 14 years later. i'm not someone who is sitting here saying we need to take all guns and have a registry. what i am saying we have bipartisan support in the united states of america right now. for common sense gun reform. i wish republicans and washington d.c. would have a

fortitude to get their act together. >> president biden called for a federal assault weapons ban today. that seems -- what seems achievable. in the realm of achievable? >> before president biden goes down that road, they ought to expand universal background checks and private sales of firearms. that's the first thing. do a red flag law. and close the loophole. what happened in south carolina. i think that is where they should start and there's a consensus. it would go a long way. there's great support for that. even among gun owners and republicans. they agree that background checks on individuals in the private transactions. but private sales should be background checks. that would help clean up some of the problem.

it wouldn't prevent any. but it's good policy. >> the administration hurdle isn't just dealing with republicans. you have democratic senator manchen about his opposition to the two bills the house passed around gun control. >> yeah. you have the filibuster. we can't get out of our own way. we're sitting here and you can't go to the store the movie theater or school. without having a fear. it strikes all of us. you never know when it will happen. we're talking about -- we agree. you have a democrat and republican sitting here on news in the middle of the night. we agree that you have to have -- close the loophole. and background check. we didn't vote for new agenda on november 3 to sit here and have an agenda. there comes a point where you have to set politics aside and

you have to to do what's right for the needs of the country. and right now inaction means we're going to have more situations where we have thoughts and prayers. people are sick of that. >> on the republican side is there any political upside to support biden on this? senator murphy had conversations with republicans who at times have had suggested to him that there's they want to get yes to some reform. >> i think there's an upside republicans to show they are reasonable on firearms legislation. by passing universal background check, that is sending a signal. to groups that have been resistant to change. and what's happening i think in the gun rights movement is that you have the nra out there. that refuses to compromise or notes because they are worried about losing members. or groups further to the right. it's maintaining membership.

and we passed universal background checks in pennsylvania 1995. with republican. i was in the general assembly. we voted for this. republicans. the nra agreed. now they take it a different position. on this issue. we were able to get to that point. what changed is the politics of the groups on the outside. fighting with each other about members. and compromise therefore loss of members and money. >> how much political capitol should the biden administration spend on this? particularly enthusiasm in terms of the nra crowd on that issue. is this so much a voting issue for people on the left? >> no, it's an issue of what's right. expend every ounce of capitol so we don't have another week that goes by running off a list of names of individuals murdered in spas or individuals who have

been murdered in the store. use every ounce of capitol you have. if we go to 2018. donald trump actually ran on the premise that he was going to clean up our gun laws after the parkland shooting. going up in 2018 he said he was going to do this. the republican party was on board. he didn't. and paid a price in the 2018 midterm. politically it's the right move but you have to use capital. >> another story. this has an impact on the election. deep dive into new claims by sidney powell. once attorney to the former president. why a defamation lawsuit has her admitting what many republicans will not still admit about the big lie about a stolen election. if you haven't heard what she said if court filings. it's completely believable.

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was pushed by the former president and so many allies and continues to be. per happen it was pushed most memorably by somebody an attorney for the president. she's defending those accusations in a defamation case brought . her attorneys say in a new filing her claims were nothing but reasonable people would believe. yeah, quote. plaintiffs themselves qualify the plaintive as wild accusations and claims. they were labeled inherently improbable and even impossible. the statements further support defendant's position that reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact, but view them only as claims that await testing through the courts through the adversary process. no voter fraud was ever found. more now from randi kaye.

>> president trump won by a landslide. we're going prove it. >> reporter: she was part of the self-proclaimed elite task force, the team of lawyers that jumped in after the election, making false promises about rooting out voter fraud and delivering a win for then president donald trump. >> we had counterfeit ballots. we have dead people voting by the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. >> reporter: her name is sydney powell, and her mission it seemed was to spread outlandish conspiracy theories about the election. >> there was a postal service driver i think who was sent from new york to pennsylvania in the middle of the night with a truckload of ballots that was then used to, quote, back fill, end quote, the vote count. >> reporter: one of her favorite targets, a company called dominion voting and its election software. she falsely claimed among other things that it used an algorithm to flip votes from then president trump to joe biden.

>> all the machines are infected with the software code that allows dominion to shave votes for one candidate and give them to another. >> reporter: this is the story powell would like to tell about how dominican gone. >> created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez to make sure he never lost an election. >> reporter: that was a lie. dominion actually started in toronto. powell made lots of promises, like this one about the head of dominion. >> the founder of the company admits he can change a million votes, no problem at all. i won't tweet out the video later and i'll tag you in it. >> reporter: also a lie. powell's conspiracy theories became so wild that her twitter account was suspended. she even suggested other countries were sending fake votes that favored biden. >> we have video of some coming across the border from mexico. >> reporter: drinking her own kool aid, she filed voter fraud lawsuits in four key battleground states, including

georgia. >> we have them destroying evidence right and left in georgia, in cobb county, gwinnett county, fulton county. everything from shredding ballots to wiping machines and replacing servers. >> reporter: and yet despite her declaration of fraud in georgia, michigan, wisconsin, and arizona -- >> it's really the most massive and historical egregious fraud the world has ever seen. >> reporter: judges didn't buy it. rejecting her claims for various reasons and dismissing all four lawsuits she filed in the battleground states. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> it's like a fever dream. let's get perspective from norm eisen, former counsel to house democrats during the former president's first impeachment. he is also chair of the voter protection program and cnn legal analyst. lawyers will often defending a client will say well, my client believes this occurred, my client believes this occurred. she is making all these allegations that are just not true. no evidence of and never

presented real evidence of. >> anderson, it's incredible. the claims at the time were very particularized lies about hugo chavez's supposed involvement, about votes flipping in election machines, about servers in germany. and now she turns around and she says in a case about whether or not they're true, that nobody could believe them. anderson, that the whole point of the case. that's what everyone was saying at the time. that's why these cases were thrown out, and it's why the governor, extraordinarily the governor, the ag and the secretary of state of michigan have called for her to be disbarred. and frankly, she deserves it. >> reporter: you know, will this defense work? >> well, i don't think it will work, anderson. there is a rule in libel cases

that mere opinion, puffery is not enough to establish a libel case, that you have to have false statements of fax. but the dominion complaint itemizes dozens of very particular false statements that she made and that randi kaye reviewed in her report. i mean, the judge is not going to accept this any more than the judges accepted her four cases during the election or the 60 plus cases that she and the president's other enablers attempted, the ex-president's other enablers attempted to bring. it won't wash in court. >> norm eisen, i appreciate it. again, it's surreal to even look at that and remember that actually happened. and there are still people who believe it, and there are still republicans who are making these arguments. and the former president is still making these arguments.

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at the white house and other federal buildings for the second straight week. what it signals for the people of boulder, and atlanta for that matter, is hard to say. we can only hope it brings at least some small comfort along with a simple message that they are in our thoughts and our hearts. the news continues. let's turn it over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." hello, everyone. thanks for joining us. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. and, you know, the question really is, let's be honest, when are we going to do something about it? when are we really going to do something about it, finally going say enough, enough americans killed in the middle of what should have been a normal day? >> it all came crashing down, seeing someone i knew dead, dead there, that we're not going to be able to walk out to her family or walk out this door. >>