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good evening. tonight, the grieving in boulder, colorado. -let investigations and the push for change. in short, everything that comes in the aftermagtd of a mass shooting in america, which today, included a hero's tribute for officer eric talley. hundreds of people lining the streets as a took his body from the local funeral home. they also flocked to what the officer's -- to the officer's former patrol vehicle, bringing flowers, wreaths, and cards. turning it into a makeshift shrine. he was first on the scene monday, lost his life trying to save others.

said one mourner today, i know it's the job of a police officer to run into danger. but shouldn't we make the world safer for them? to that point, we are learning more about red flags in the alleged shooter's background, as well as when and how he armed himself. we are also witnessing a community, in mourning. in about an hour, a candlelight vigil begins and we will bring you moments from when it does. also, tonight. new revelations about the jaurch 6th insurrection. specifically, evidence of coordination before the fact between the so-called oath keepers, and so-called proud boys. and later. new developments in democratic efforts to get a voting rights bill through the senate. including a new threat from republican leader mitch mcconnell of a nuclear winter if democrats end the filibuster to pass it. a busy night, ahead. first, the latest from boulder and cnn's kyung lah. >> reporter: investigators continue to collect evidence at king soopers grocery store and search for a possible motive. from his online activity, a law enforcement official tells cnn, to one of the biggest questions. the gunman's connection to

this-specific location. why did he drive to this boulder store, 30 minutes from his home? the suspect's family home is in the suburbs of denver, where police are digging into the background of ahmad al aliwi alissa. the only incident on his record a third-degree assault in 2017. he admitted a cold-cocked a classmate at school. >> i saw a man with a beard. what i thought was possibly like tactical sort of clothing and an ar-15-style rifle. >> reporter: the gunman carried a ruger ar-556 pistol. the arrest warrant says he purchased it six days before the shooting. that timing suggests, to investigators, says a law enforcement source to cnn, that this attack was planned. >> my understanding is that it was purchased at a -- at a gun dealer, outside of boulder. potentially, where he lives. >> reporter: across boulder, the enormity of the loss settling in. mourners line the city's streets to watch the procession for

boulder police officer, eric talley. fellow citizen, father of seven. moved from the coroner's office, to a funeral home. >> there's a hole. there is a hole in our family. that won't be filled. >> reporter: the uncle of ricky, who worked at the grocery store, honored the life she would never live. >> sad, in that she didn't get to experience motherhood. she didn't get to experience marriage. she didn't get to -- she was 25 years old. >> reporter: boulder grapples with the sense of helplessness that they are likely not the last-american city to experience this. >> i'm angry, because this could be anyone's town. i think it's easy to remove ourselves from these situations, when we're not when it's not the store where we buy birthday cakes at and it's not our colleagues and our mentors and our friends and our teachers and our neighbors and our -- the person that comes into your restaurant every day and orders the same drink.

i would just beg anyone that has the power to make change, to imagine if this was their community. >> and kyung lah joins us now. what else are you learning about the investigation? >> reporter: well, it's really the lack of information that's quite notable. a lack of a record and contact with this particular gunman. i mentioned that 2017-assault charge. what a law-enforcement source is telling us is that what's really notable is that he was not part of any sort of federal investigation, previous to -- to -- to what happened here. and that's how he was able to purchase the gun. the other thing that is notable, anderson, and this is a little grim. is that something, that we don't usually see in a mass shooting are wounded survivors. usually, you see somebody who you can interview. and there were no wounded survivors, in this case. so, that is something that investigators, certainly, are at least noting. anderson. >> kyung lah, thanks very much. for more on -- on the

investigation, i am joined now by cnn contributor and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. in a case like this, andrew, what will investigators try and get from the alleged shooter's family and friends as -- as they interview them? >> so it's important to note, anderson, that it's not necessary to prove his motive or understand why he did this in order to convict him for these murders. he will be convicted of these murders. it's pretty -- pretty explicit. the forensic evidence will be undeniable. but it is important for society and for the rest of us, to understand why did this person commit this horrible act of violence? and in order to shed light on that, investigators are going to look at everyone that he was interacting with. they're going to talk to his friends, his family members. if he -- if he has a job, they are going to talk to his work associates. they're going to look at his social-media postings, anything else he may have written, that indicates his state of mind. whether he harbored any biases or grievances against

any-particular people or groups. just to shed light on that question, to answer that penetrating question of why did this happen? and -- and particularly, why, in boulder, at that moment? >> it's not just to, you know, understand why this happened, to tell people. it's also to build the case against him. and prosecutors are fully aware of what his, you know, future-defense attorneys will likely or potentially argue in a court. and they want to try to counte counte counte coun counteract, don't they? >> sure. they could mount an insanity defense, say he wasn't responsible, he wasn't capable of understanding right from wrong, and therefore, shouldn't be held accountable. and in order to counteract that defense, the prosecutors will use all the evidence collecting of his planning, of his purchasing the firearm days before the event.

of his decision, the very distinctive decision to leave his house, you know, 20 miles away, 30-minute drive, and go up to boulder and -- and to target that specific grocery store, at that specific time. those are all very distinctive decisions that would undermine potential insanity defense. >> it's interesting. which makes his online activity all the more important not just to figure out, you know, is there some contact with some sort of group? or -- or ideological reason behind it? but also, you know, was he shopping online? does his online activity give some indication of his level of planning? >> that's right. that's right. and, you know, there's been some reporting about his social-media posts. and, kind of, airing of grievances about bullying that he might have been the brunt of. he perceived he was being bullied because of his faith. so, those are all, in addition to kind of shedding light on why

this gentleman may -- or this person -- i don't want to call him a gentleman -- engaged in this act. it's, also, important evidence for the prosecutors to use in his trial to kind of undermine those defenses that we mentioned. >> how long, until -- i mean, how long will the investigation go on for? how long -- the trial could be a long ways off. >> it -- it could. it all depends on how -- how much they are able to find. so, let's compare it to the las vegas shooter, steven paddock. the -- that was an extensive investigation because, of course, he committed suicide. there was no prosecution, after -- after his shooting. but we were, essentially, unable to uncover any, specific evidence that would have indicated his motive for engaging what is the worst-mass shooting in american history, at this point. so, you know, and so that went on and on and on. we continue looking, looking,

looking. following down every lead. interviewing every person they came across and looking at every financial transaction. everything that he might have been involved in. and because it was hard -- it was impossible to find. it took quite-some time. with this individual, if those indicators are more easily uncoverable, you know, that could shorten the -- the time period of the investigative effort. >> what does it tell you, that there weren't wounded survivors, in this mass shooting? i mean, it -- it's -- it's something uncommon, and in a crime of this nature. obviously, the kind of weapon used, you know, is particularly lethal. the rounds, when they enter the body. but what do you make of that? >> it's really hard to say, at this point. it's definitely uncommon. so i think, you know, the folks, particularly in the fbi, places like the behavioral-sciences unit, they'll go back and try to figure out how this differs from other-mass shootings. but, it could come down to something tactical.

so, in other words, he may have been able to conceal the weapon, in a way that he was able to kind of get very close to his victims, before scaring them away. and he would have been able to engage them with the firearm from a much-closer distance. and that could have made his -- his shooting much more lethal. >> and -- and it's been very important, over the years, how the fbi has studied mass shootings and -- and gathered information. and -- and learned from them. and that helps police tactics, down the road. is that an ongoing process? and will the fbi look at this? and sort of, add this into the, you know, the -- the -- the horrific database of information they already have? >> yeah, absolutely. and there's other opportunities or there may be otherpportuniti with this shooter because he is still alive. and so, after the criminal prosecution is completed, if there is an opportunity to

engage with him, in an interview, to collect firsthand information, to understand, like, what he was thinking. when he made these terrible decisions. i mean, that would be an extraordinary opportunity and something, i'm sure, that the fbi would -- would pursue. there is a lot of legal hurdles to doing that. but it's that kind of, like, really careful, thoughtful research, that enables us to shed some light on what these people are all about. and why they do what they do, which ultimately helps us protect -- protect folks. that's the same sort of information that led to our active-shooter training that so many thousands of people have benefitted from around the country. >> andrew mccabe, appreciate it. thanks very much. >> sure. >> we heard just a moment ago from the uncle of one of the victims. hard to imagine what it's like to go on camera and talk so openly about a loss so raw. for anyone who's locst someone close, it's -- it's important to

be able to tell their story, and talk about what their life was. and not have them defined just by how their life ended. here is more of what robert said about his niece, ricky. >> she was one of a kind. she was -- she was that person. she was -- she'd come to the house. and we'd joke around. and we'd laugh. and she would start laughing so hard, she would snort. and she's probably, ygonna like throw something at me or something for telling you guys that. but she was a snorter when she laughed hard. and i will really miss her. i will really miss that personality of hers. and just her being around. >> kimberly moore joins us now. she is a pharmacy tech at king soopers and worked with ricky. kimberly hid during the shooting. kimberly, thank you so much for joining us and i am so sorry it's under these circumstances.

can -- can you, first of all, just -- just talk about what ni nikki was like? >> she was a very fun-loving person. that's one of the things that we really just enjoyed about her. doesn't matter what part of the store you worked in or what you were doing, that day. she always found a way to come find you. and talk to you. and make you feel like you're just better for even being around. >> i heard she'd often like check on the folks untiin the pharmacy. because i know you all work in really long shifts and a lot of shifts, in these days. >> absolutely. since we started giving covid vaccines, we've been working pretty hard. and it's really nice to see people outside of the store, you know, come and connect with you. and even like i say, just come by and tell you a joke. give you a high-five. those kinds of things really is what made working at that king soopers like a family. >> yeah. i think i said nikki. ricky, of course. can -- can you walk us through when -- when you were on duty --

when did you realize something was wrong? >> we were in between some shifts of starting to give more covid vaccines. and the manager that yelled that there was an active shooter really gave us the head start. >> the -- and the manager was online, i understand, with a family member, right? >> i mean, i'm not 100% on that. i just know that i heard some -- some commotion from outside. and then, you know, people screaming and running. and, you know, fortunately for -- >> sorry, go ahead. go ahead. >> sorry. >> no, i talked with one of your co-workers, maggie, and she talked about sheltering in the counseling room. where were -- were you in the same room? >> so, they headed towards the counseling room. i stood back. i wanted to make sure that my other colleagues in the pharmacy were okay. so, we ended up just hunkering down more in the back of the pharmacy. but for the beginning of the

initial part of the attacks, it was really terrifying because you felt extremely exposed. all we had to do was jump over a counter. >> so, you were, what, underneath the counter? or -- >> so, there was these shelves that go behind the pharmacy, where we keep our medications. and we had, eventually, moved our way back there. which is pretty deep into the corner, as you can get, being inside of the pharmacy. and we just hid there. >> wow. and do you -- you probably weren't able to see anything, were you? and which must, in some ways, make it even more terrifying to just be hearing what's happening. >> correct. i didn't see anything. but i heard everything. and i tried my best to pay attention to what i was hearing, and feeling that was going on around me. which eventually, let us be able to move further back into the pharmacy instead of staying so up close. >> hmm. and did you know where the gunman was? could you hear?

could you understand, based on the -- the sound? whether it was louder or -- or farther away? >> yeah. lack -- lack of sound. and then, you know, gunshot sounds that traveled throughout the building. and then, you could hear the -- the shuffle because we're right next to the stairs that go up to where the managers' offices are. you could kind of hear that rustling -- wrestling noise, as well. >> and then, when you finally were able to -- to -- when it was over, when he gave up, do you remember what it was like walking out of the store? >> it was pretty intense. you know? right before we left, we had just figured out that this man had been hunkering down in front of us for probably at least a good-20 minutes. >> wow. right in front of the pharmacy? >> right in front of the pharmacy. and it was crazy to -- to notice that, once -- when they were telling him to surrender.

and he said he was surrendering before he walked out. he was just sitting there. you know? and then, you hear him be escorted out. s.w.a.t. comes in. makes sure you're okay. and when you're being escorted, it's just difficult. they're trying to keep your focus on your feet. trying to keep your focus to the right of you, and then to the left of you. just doing the best they can to make sure that you don't have to see anything more than you've already, probably experienced that day. >> yeah. well, kimberly moore, i'm so sorry for what you and -- and everybody there has gone through, and i appreciate you talking tonight. >> absolutely. thanks for having me. >> thank you. coming up next. we will talk with the congressman who represents boulder and who supported the local-gun legislation that was law until just days before the suspect bought his weapon. later, new video of new evidence prosecutors say. .

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we are witnessing people in boulder, colorado, coming together tonight. perhaps, one of the only good things to come out of what happened just as they did in parkland, el paso, orlando, after the tree of life shooting

in pittsburgh. people sharing the loss, sharing the load, and drawing strength from what connects us. part of it, sadly, is the apprehension we also share, wherever we live, that this will happen where we live. just today, atlanta police arrested 22-year-old man after he went into a supermarket, allegedly carrying a rifle. during the investigation, officers uncovered five firearms and body armor in his possession. congressman joe neguse, thanks for being with us, congressman. how have you seen the community coping? and -- and grieving tonight? >> anderson, it's been a devastating, few days here, in boulder, colorado. devastating for our community, for our state, and for our country. this is a community in mourning. folks are grieving the terrible loss, the tragedy of -- of ten people. ten cherished members of our community, whose lives were -- were cut tragically short, on monday. and tonight is an opportunity for folks to come together. as you said, to draw strength

from one another, to share memories, to -- to be with one another. as -- as this community begins to heal. and there'll be many-more vigils in the coming days and weeks ahead. a difficult process. it's going to be a long process for our community. but i know that this community is a kind one. a compassionate one. it's our community, it's my community, and we will -- will come together at this really critical and difficult time. >> and i know you are going to be speaking at a virtual-community gathering a bit later. do you have a particular message, you intend to -- to send? >> my message was really threefold. it's, first, to -- to make sure that we honor the victims. and you've had so many of -- of your guests have been relatives of the victims. and they have shared the incredible stories of -- of -- of those ten souls who, you know, lived such incredible lives. and it's important for us to take a moment to step back and honor their memory. and cherish their memories, and to be together in this moment. that's my first message.

the second is to ensure that our community has the resources available to them from the mental-health perspective. you know, hearing just what i heard a minute ago in terms of kimberly describing the scene to you, which just is so terrifying. it really sounded more like a war zone than a grocery store in the united states of america. it's important for all the survivors in our community to have access to the resources they need. and then, finally, my third message is that the time for inaction is over. my constituents are tired of excuses. they do not want to see war scenes play out in grocery stores or movie theaters or schools. they are tired of it. and so, i am hopeful that we can, ultimately, make progress at the federal level. and finally, curb gun violence in the united states. that's certainly what i am working on. >> as you know, the city of boulder had an ordinance banning assault-style weapons, which i believe you testified in support of in 2017. and judge recently ruled the ban was unenforceable. now, a few days later, the alleged shooter bought -- bautd bought a weapon. do you know if that ordinance would have, otherwise, prevented

that purchase? or can that connection not be made? >> i think we are still learning the answers to some of those questions. i think we will learn more in the coming days. the arrest after dfidavit, as y know, was released yesterday. in the days and weeks ahead, we'll -- we'll learn more, with respect to that particular question that you have regarding boulder's assault-weapon ban. what i would say, though, anderson, is this. that the -- this community, the boulder city council stepped forward, bravely, several years ago to enact that ban because they were tired of inaction, at the federal level. and it is emblematic of the incoherent-federal response to these mass shootings, year after year after year. and i think, reflects the need for the congress to address the gun violence in our country that has just metastasized over time. so it's clear that assault-weapons ban, at the federal level, would curve gun violence in our country. the empirical data is evident of that. it was a bipartisan assault-weapons ban, as you

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two major developments in the investigation of the january 6th capitol riot. "the new york times" has attained videos that for the first time show how capitol police officer brian sicknick who died after confronting rioters was attacked with chemical spray. also, in new court filings, prosecutors for the first time say they have evidence of coordination prior to the attack between two far-right extremist groups. the so-called oath keepers and proud boys. more now from our cnn national security correspondent, alex marquardt. >> reporter: new video attained by "the new york times" shows officer brian sicknick, facing off with rioters on the western side, and how he was wounded. in the crowd were julian khater and george tanios. khater who was armed with both

pepper spray and bear spray, according to prosecutors, moved to within feet of sicknick and in the new video can be seen unleashing a stream of chemical spray at the officer. sicknick is hit, and retreats, keeling over. a day later, he was dead. kh a khater and tanios have both been arrested. federal prosecutors are now, also, discovering evidence of more coordination, amid the chaos. new court filings alleging for the first time, there was collaboration between the far-right extremist groups, the proud boys and the oath keepers. messages released by the justice department show that oath keeper, kelly megs, discussed on facebook his communication with proud boys leadership. saying he, quote, orchestrated a plan with the proud boys for january 6th. two weeks before the riots, meggs wrote, we have made contact with proud boys, and they always have a big group. force multiplier. three days later, christmas day,

meggs wrote to someone about the proud boys. saying, i ever been communicating with the leader. we are going to march with them, for a while. then, fall back to the back of the crowd. and turn off. then, we will have the proud boys get in front of them. we will come in, behind antifa. and beat the hell out of them. prosecutors say the communication shows evidence of coordination. but have yet to allege conspiracy, between the groups. something, that at least ten oath keepers have been charged with, along with several proud boys. court filings show meggs discussing rallying 50-to-100 oath keepers to washington for january 6th. in one message, meggs had also sent a list of gear to bring including body armor and weapons. d.c. is no guns, meggs wrote. so, mace and gas masks, some batons, if you have armor, that's good. all of the communication, released by the justice department, to argue against releasing meggs from jail before his trial. he has pleaded not guilty. >> alex marquardt joins us, now.

so, alex, i assume that they have not been able to directly, at this stage, link officer sicknick being sprayed with a wellca chemical agent and his -- and his death, have they? >> no, they haven't. so far, what the investigators have not said what the official cause of death of brian sicknick is. they haven't been able to tie the -- the medical examiner hasn't tied the use of this chemical spray to his death. it is incredibly power stuff, anderson. another of the officers. they were all temporarily blinded, said that during her training, it was more powerful than any of the pepper spray that she had experienced. so -- so, that's why. they are -- prosecutors are using this video that has been obtained by "the new york times." these two men are still in detention, and they are going to be tried here, in washington, d.c. anderson. >> alex marquardt, appreciate it. thanks. andrew mccabe is back with us. what do you see from an investigative point of view and

as a visual point as a former law enforcement officer, as you see this new video? >> well, i mean, it's disgusting. it -- it's -- it's -- you know, watching these videos of how these law enforcement officers were assaulted and terrorized on -- on the capitol that day, it's just really disturbing, to i'm sure anyone, who has ever worn a -- a -- a badge and a gun. but i have to say that, i think the investigators are really in a tough spot here, on this one. so we have, you know, incontrovertible proof of an assault, by these two defendants, on officer sicknick. and that's a serious charge. but in order to raise that to a charge of murder, they have to know that the assault led to his death. and i would guess that there's probably not a large volume of reliable, scientific evidence. that's -- that shows us what happens when a human is attacked with bear spray. it's not made for humans. so, this is not the average,

post-mortem medical examiner's report. i would guess they are having to really deep dive into the science, and try to figure out how that stuff impacted him on -- you know, potentially on a fatal level. >> we have heard senators -- you know, senator johnson and others talk about how these rioters were not armed. saying that, you know, indicating that it wasn't really as serious as we all saw it was. you see, in that e-mail, from that, you know, so-called oath keeper. saying, you know, d.c. is no guns. it's interesting that they're -- you know, for those who say gun laws don't make much of a difference. i mean, i guess d.c. has strict anti-gun laws. and so, they are afraid to bring guns. but they say, okay, don't bring guns. but bring, you know, other items. and we know people were armed with tasers and, obviously, these -- these chemical agents. >> yeah. i mean, the comments by people like senator johnson and others, that there weren't arms. just preposterous. i mean, like, you see what's happening in those videos.

you see people concealing axe handles and metal poles, and carrying them as if they are flagpoles. and then, using them to beat cops and law-enforcement officers. so, this fiction that nobody was armed is -- is exactly that. and i think, the oath keepers' text messages, today, show a very clear level, high-degree of planning, and kind of, premeditation that went into, not just their appearance on the hill that day, but, how they equipped themselves. what kind of body armor they were wearing. the -- as you mentioned, the -- the clear decision not to bring weapons because he knew what kind of legal implications that could have for them. but to bring things, like batons and -- and tasers. it's still armed. it may not be a gun. but it's -- it's still lethal arms. >> yeah. andrew mccabe, thanks. as republican lawmakers in several states continue to advance legislation that would restrict voting rights. senators on capitol hill clashed as they convened a new hearing on a federal bill that would make it easier, not harder, for people to vote. that's next.

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the senate got its first crack today at a new voting rights bill passed by the house

and there were some clashes almost from the get go. as opposed to several bills, sponsored by republicans, now making their way through state legislatures that would restrict many voting rights. as a sign of just how important the federal proposal is, the leaders of both parties in the senate, chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell, made a rare appearance before the senate rules committee. here is some of the back and forth. >> it's one of the most despicable things i ever seen in a i have seen in all my years. shame, shame, shame. instead of doing what you should be doing, when you lose an election in a democracy. attempting to win over those voters in the next election. republicans, instead, are trying to disenfranchise those voters. shame on them. >> the turnout in the 2020 election was the highest, since 1900. states are not engaging in trying to suppress voters, whatsoever.

this is, clearly, an effort, by one party, to rewrite the rules of our political system. but even more immediately, it would create an implementation nightmare. >> perspective now from abby phillip, cnn senior political correspondent and anchor of inside politics sunday. and bakari sellers, former democratic state lawmaker in south carolina. abby, it's interesting to hear senator mcconnell, there, saying there was this huge-voter turnout, in 2020. and so, clearly, that's every day tevidence that republicans are not trying to lower voter turnout. when in fact, they are trying to change laws based on what happened in 2020. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, remember, mitch mcconnell was the same person, who even though he voted against convicting former-president trump of inciting an insurrection, really indicted trump for these election lies. saying that he misled his supporters.

the election lies that trump espoused for months are the basis for the voting restrictions, that are being rolled out in states all across the country. what republicans and state legislatures are trying to do, state after state, is try to roll back any -- any of the changes that might have been made due to covid. that allowed more people to vote. and in some cases, they're rolling back changes to election laws that preceded covid. changes that were made by republican legislatures. for example, in georgia and in pennsylvania. so, look. this is, clearly -- it's, clearly, a case where republicans are actually trying to roll back efforts to make it easier for people to vote. and mcconnell is choosing to ignore that, by citing the fact that more people voted in 2020. that is exactly what many of his republican colleagues, all across this country, are trying to change. and trying to make sure that never happens, again. >> yeah. i mean, bakari, the fact that more people voted in 2020, than had in a long, long time.

that's actually a good thing. both, republicans and democrats and independents. more people voting, more citizens voting, i would think, is something that all, you know, folks in congress would like. >> you would think, unless you've lost seven out of the last eight popular elections for president of the united states, like the republican party has. the fact is, they don't want to try to go out and win voters over. i think chuck schumer said that. instead, the strategy is to limit the -- the access to the ballot box. i mean, raphael warnock said this, best, in the state of georgia. it's easier to purchase a weapon in george than it is to go out and cast a ballot. i mean, these are some of the things that we have to look at in this country. and i always tell people, especially young folk, that if you're -- if your right to vote wasn't so important, they wouldn't be working so damn hard to take it from you. and instead of having conversations about making voting a national -- a national holiday. and putting it on a saturday.

instead of having conversations about automatic-voter registration, at the age of 18. we're having conversations about how to limit access to the ballot box. and even attorney general barr's justice department came out with a report, saying that there was no-widespread fraud that they could find in the 2016 election -- or 2020 election, excuse me. and so, this red herring is why you have to fight in all 50 states to push back the -- these voter-restrictive laws that are being put -- >> i mean, abby, the sick irony of, you know, sydney powell, in court, now, being sued by dominion. and claiming that no reasonable person, and i am paraphrasing her own lawyer's opinion. but, you know, that no reasonable person would have taken her claim seriously. it -- it's -- you know, these -- a lot of these bills, in state legislatures across the country, are based on the big lie that not even the people who are telling the big lie truly, truly believe. but the problem is -- i mean,

abby, for democrats, is this -- it's obviously a top-legislative priority for senate democrats but they don't have their entire caucus on board. particularly, joe manchin. >> no, they don't. and you know, joe manchin has said that he is interested in protecting the vote. he has some problems with some elements of this particular bill, that he thinks go beyond just -- just voting. i think, there are a couple things that i am interested in, that we don't quite know, yet, when it comes to joe manchin. which parts of the voting rules part of this bill is he interested in? and would he be willing to do it, with or without republican support? because at the end of the day, you know, manchin seems to be more interested in making sure that the senate is operating in a bipartisan way, than -- than, you know, perhaps, pursuing legislation that he and other democrats believe in. and if that's the litmus test, that there must be bipartisanship, then i think there is a real question about whether democrats can get to 50

votes because i think republicans are actually fairly united in their opposition to casting any votes in the senate, on the issue of voting. because it's such a poison pill with their base. their base is all in on the big lie, right now. and i think most republicans don't want to touch it. >> yeah, abby phillip, bakari sellers. appreciate it. the head of the cdc is worried about something else she is seeing. former cdc director joins us, ahead. how's my bracket looking? um, i'm trying to find a nicer word for dumpster fire. um, you're not ava. yeah, this is gary, i invested in invesco qqq. a fund that invests in the innovations of the nasdaq-100. like this artificially intelligent home system. you don't have to be an ai voice architect to help dictate the future. any other questions? yes, when will you be leaving? become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq. ♪

tonight the head of the cdc is sharing new concern as the drop in the seven-day cases of coronavirus has begun to drop off. hospitalizations and deaths have also flatten this week. >> i continue to be worried about the latest data and the apparent stall we're seeing in the trajectory of the pandemic. cdc is watching these numbers very closely. >> on monday, she warned of the

serious threat, were her words, of a new surge of covid restrictions around the country lifted too soon but is celebrating the pace of vaccinations. dr. anthony fauci has seen new hope for real-world success based on study of health care workers. >> rate now as the week go by, we see more and more that not only are these vaccines efficacious but in the community they're extremely effective in preventing infection. >> with me now, former cdc director tom frieden. we keep to see this push and pull between dr. walensky, saying she's worried about the data but more states keep easing restrictions. what are your thought on these trends? >> we see really encouraging trends in deaths decreasing, vaccination increasing. we're now at an important benchmark, more than two-thirds of people over the age of 65 have already gotten a dose of

the one or another vaccine. and because of that, i anticipate we will see a real decreased in deaths. however, because we are seeing reopenings and because the variants are spreading, i also think we're likely to see a fourth surge. probably not a huge one, probably not nearly as lethal, but we do have to stay safe, really. it ain't over till it's over. mask up. get vaccinated the moment you can. and for the upcoming holidays, maybe don't take the travel you were planning. travel can rapidly increase spread of the virus. >> dr. fauci, as we mentioned, highlighted the efficacy of the vaccine among health care workers in texas and california. there was a study done at medical center in dallas that found that after fully vaccinated only .05% of employees became infected and health care workers in ucla and ucsd reported a .05% positivity rate after being vaccinated.

health care workers who face increased risk, the data seems remarkable. are you hopeful that it may provide some kind of confidence to people who may be on the fence about the vaccine? we're not just talking about people who didn't show symptoms. just people were not getting infected. >> these vaccines are remarkably effective. i'll give you one more really striking trend. it used to be that about four out of ten deaths in the u.s. are in nursing homes. for the last few weeks, it's been more like two out of ten and falling rapidly. maybe one out of ten in the future. if that proportion had stayed the same, more than 40,000 americans who are alive today would be dead. vaccines have already saved at least 40,000 lives in this country. they're remarkably effective. they're remarkably safe. get vaccinated the moment it's your turn. >> and that's the thing. mask wearing, continued mask

wearing now can save potentially all throughout this pandemic, we've seen where mask wearing can, over the course of several months save tens of thousands of lives, especially now waiting for everybody to get vaccinated. the cdc is tracking breakthrough cases of covid. people have become infected after being vaccinated. what's important to learn about those cases? are you confident that sequencing in the u.s. is where it should be? >> the plain truth is that there's a lot we won't know about vaccines until we see how they perform over many, many months. we don't know how long the protection will last. maybe it's lifelong. maybe it's a year or less. only time will tell. we don't know whether the variants will overwhelm the vaccine protection or protection from prior infection. so, that kind of study of looking at possible breakthrough infections is very important. we do expect some. no vaccine is 100 prs effective. you may see some adverse events. we're seeing one serious

allergic reaction out of about 100 people vaccinated. everyone has been successfully treat buddy we may find rare adverse events. the benefits of the vaccine are really striking. other than a sore arm or a day or two of not feeling well aren't really substantial. >> there was a report released by the health and human services inspector general who found medical staff are, quote, mentally fatigued, experiencing possible ptsd. what can be done? >> what's really important, anderson, is that we resume and improve health care. what we know is that many people died not from covid, but because of covid. because they were afraid to go to the hospital or because the hospital wasn't available. we have to strengthen our primary health care system in this country for cancer screenings, treatment of high blood pressure, high cholesterol. these are the major killers that

we have. by making sure that people get the care they need when they need it, where they need it, how they need it, we can save a lot of lives but that's going to mean learning from the pandemic. for example, scaling up telemedicine, which has been sktively used -- not for all visits but for many. figuring out how we can make sure that primary health care becomes the center of our health care system. that will make a huge difference not just in covid where it's important for diagnosis and vaccination but also treatment of killer diseases and saving lots of lives and preventing people from having to go to the hospital in the first place. >> the victims of the colorado shootings as new details surface in the investigation. i'll speak to a survivor of the parkland shooting straight ahead.

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