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here in birmingham, alabama, a very, very welcome sign because it has been a volatile and very turbulent and dangerous day. now we focus on northern georgia where the national weather service just issued a new tornado warning, including the atlanta metro region. >> thank you very much, derrick. i appreciate your time and all of yours. anderson starts now. good evening. we begin with breaking news. georgia's governor late this evening signing draconian new voting measures into law based on a lie. the legislation's preamble is orwellian. it says the law is meant to address lack of confidence in the election system. gee, i wonder where that came from. georgia's 2020 were counted, recounted, and counted again. no meaningful fraud was uncovered. the results were certified and attested to numerous times,
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including my georgia's republican trump-supporting secretary of state, ensured any, quote, lack of elector confidence stems from the lying liars telling lies about the election. what's more, one of those liars, former trump attorney sidney powell is now all but admitting to being a liar in her court filings to avoid being sued massively. her defense against defamation claims is no reasonable person would accept her post-election statements as fact. seems like a lot of elected officials are. ahead tonight, how the big election lie is driving voter restriction legislation measures nationwide and how far the biden administration may be willing to go to opposite them. first, our dianne gallagher with what's in the new georgia law. >> reporter: anderson, that is massive bill that has now become law that literally changes almost every aspect of georgia elections from top to bottom. but the parts of it that have been focused on the most are those that would basically
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restrict ballot access, particularly restrict ballot access for voters of color. some of those points are now requiring i.d. for absentee voting instead of what georgia was doing before, which is signature match. they're limiting drop boxes to only being inside early voting locations. they're making it a misdemeanor to give food or drinks to voters who are waiting in line to vote. perhaps the part of this bill that has created the most outrage from lawmakers, democratic lawmakers, and voting rights activists is the fact that it broadens out the power that state officials have over local election management. so far as to that, they could replace local election officials. many of the people who opposite that see that as a direct strike against the blue pockets in the state of georgia like here in fulton county, atlanta, that helped push the last elections for two democratic senators and
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for president joe biden in november. and so a lot of the voters that we've talked to, people who are upset about this say they kind of see this as revenge, anderson. there was a lot of attention that was on some earlier parts of this bill. those have been taken out. some of that likely came from the protests, the outrage, the anger they saw online. but there was a portion that talked about getting rid of sunday voting. if you remember, we talked about souls to the polls and black churches and voting on sundays early voting after services. well, that's not necessarily -- that's not a part of the bill anymore. instead, they made it two mandatory saturdays, up from the one that it was before, and option two sundays, but they set specific hours. while it expands early voting, that is true for some counties like fulton county, it likely reduces some of the hours of weekend early voting. >> appreciate it, thanks. more coming up on what
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president joe biden is doing to oppose the measures passed today. he spoke about it in his first solo conference today. it was everything the former president was not. he did not falsely declare his victory, the biggest since rare, which it wasn't. he did not have to explain the firing of a national security adviser. there was no defense today of vladimir putin. though he did show impatience at times with the questioning, there was no attacks on the news media. instead, the president did what presidents other than the last one has always done at moments like these. he made news on his priorities, voting rights, covid, even infrastructure which became a running joke in the last administration. he also talked about what he sees as his larger mission. >> i'm running for three reasons. to restore the soul, dignity, honor, honest, transparency to the american politiciz politica.
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the middle class built america and unions built them. the third reason i said i was running was to unite the country. >> joining us now is kaitlan collins who got the president to answer one of her questions. there's certainly a lot of curiosity about what the president would do and say at this news conference, how he would say it. what do you think the key takeaway was? >> he got really animated talking about voting rights. as diane was laying out there, what we saw go into action today, what he was asked about before it was passed and signed into law by the georgia governor. he was really animated. he called it un-american, despicable, and sick. he railed against the efforts by republicans to restrict access to voting. that was one of the key headlines. then he was also pressed on immigration and the surge we've seen on the southern border and, of course, you know, this idea
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that not just comes from his critics, but top mexican leaders that it's his demeanor toward the border that has driven migrants to make their way to the southern border. he says he does not believe that's the case and pointed to other surges that happened under former president trump. and then, of course, another big question people were can go asking that had coming up since he announced he was going to do this press conference is guns, if he's going to introduce legislation or sign executive orders. and he made clear at this press conference today that it's not his top priority. infrastructure is what he wants to do next. >> you also asked the president a specific question about the filibuster. >> yes, because, of course, the filibuster, while it's not well-known to everyone, it's important to the rest of the his agenda is going to look like because he will have to get republican support to get bills like ones on gun control or immigration passed or he'll have to eliminate the filibuster potentially so they can get it
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passed with 51 votes instead of 60 votes. and so i asked him if he agreed with the characterization that he thought it was a relic of the jim crow era on getting voting rights passed. i asked the president if he agreed with that. he quickly said yes, but the next natural question is, if that's how you feel and that's your characterizization of it, why abolish it if it's a relic of the jim crow era? he gave a lengthy answer taking a pretty big pause. basically he summed it up by saying right now he wants to focus on abuse of the filibuster compared to what he was in the senate. >> kaitlan, stay with us. at that point in time bring in van jones and david chalian. david, the contrast to president joe biden's approach at his first press conference compared
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to his predecessors' couldn't be more historic. do you think -- how do you think he did today? did he do what he felt he needed to? >> i think there's no doubt that he was pleased with the results of today. but i think it was important to note his mission going in here, what he clearly tried to accomplish in this press conference was to, yes, deal with questions about the stuff that lands on the president's plate that you don't plan for, like this crisis at the border, dealing with immigration, mass shootings and what that means for gun legislation going forward, anderson. but i think he was so set on sticking to the plan because he believes and his administration believes that nothing else will matter until they can get fully through this pandemic, get the economy restored, and invest in that economy for the long term. once that's accomplished, then he can tackle these other
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issues. but he was pretty clear that nothing is going to derail him, at least he hopes, from sticking to that game plan. that's why he set his next priority as that big infrastructure package. >> van, as someone who supported candidate biden, are you happy with what you heard? >> there's no buyer's remorse anywhere in the democratic party based on what joe biden is doing and what he has done. he's got the challenge on the border. every president has faced that. he did tremendously well. i'll add to what david just said. he is trying to focus on the economy, but democracy itself is on shaky legs. he spoke to that powerfully. when you talk about voting rights being under attack in an unprecedented way in the modern era and the filibuster being abused in a way that's making governance almost impossible, he has to deal with the democracy issues, both the filibuster and voting.
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he's going to do that. a lot of people think he's going to fall on his face, he's old, he can't handle the questions. every time people say that stuff, joe biden proves them wrong. he had one gaffe in the whole hour, but zero buyers remorse with this president. >> he was pressed related to about the migrant children being held by the government. he blamed the previous generation for dismantling the system and he's committed to transparency as soon as he's able to implement his plan. did he explain why he doesn't allow full access to the media so the public can see what's happening? it's questionable. >> what we heard so much was the talk about coronavirus and the pandemic and, of course, obviously, they want to prioritize the safety of the officials working there, the kids who are being held at these facilities and processed through them. that is understandable. but there are also ways to make it work. of course they gave access to a health & human services facility this week, for example.
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they limited it to just one reporter from one outlet and a few cameras, not the normal slew of reporters you would see. you don't want to just see the hhs facility. you want to see the border patrol facility, which is very much a jail-like detention center where kids are hanging out way longer than they should be. biden said today he is committed to tyrannous, but he didn't give a firm time of when exactly reporters will be allowed into those border patrol facilities. we've been asking for about a month now. so it's an important question because of course the trump administration was not exactly eager to give access to those facilities either when they were at the height of the 2019 crisis, but it's still important for reporters to have independent coverage of what's going on inside these facilities. >> yeah, i mean, it's hypothetical to say you believe in transparency and then stone wall on actually letting people there be anybody, claiming it's because of covid. as we said, there's plenty of ways to adhere to covid protocols. david, president joe biden made
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it very clear that his focus is on infrastructure. even when he was asked about guns, pivoted back to infrastructure. a lot of politicians, a lot of presidents have things they want to be their focus and often do end up getting taken off it. events make it impossible to focus solely on one thing. >> there's no doubt about it. i mean, that is very much what defines many presidencies is how presidents handle the unexpected that's thrown their way, anderson. but i did think it was revealing when president joe biden did say that he believes successful presidencies are the ones that know how to prioritize the policy proposals and sequence them in a way. to me, he then went right into pitching his infrastructure plan. to me, that indicated he believes that he has a chance at really broadening his appeal to a majority of the american
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public if indeed he remains focused on investing long term in this economy. that's the thing that will give him the entree to then try and convince republicans and others to get on board with other policy proposals of his that may be a bit more traditionally partisan. van, do you think that works? >> i think the economy -- i think that's correct. he's got to create kind of a rising tide and i think he's put himself in a position to do that. and then these other things that are important, for instance, with immigration, i actually think more transparency on immigration actually helps biden more than it hurts him because it creates more urgency to help to solve that problem. it strengthens his hand. he's got a number of things on his plate right now. i think he's 100% correct that most people don't judge him
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based on his economic performance. if this economy comes roaring back at 6%, 7%, 8%, 9%, the midterms will look better for democrats. >> thank you very much. stick around, because i want to return to breaking news. the new voting applications georgia. we'll talk more about the federal legislation president joe biden is supporting to expand voter access, which is now stuck in the senate and whether he's willing to dismantle the senate filibuster. later, what the wife and daughter of one of the boulder shooting victims wants you to know about the husband and father that they love and the grandfather he was about to become. this is worth. that takes wealth. but this is worth. and that - that's actually worth more than you think. don't open that. wealth is important, and we can help you build it. but it's what you do with it, that makes life worth living. principal. for all it's worth.
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we began the program with breaking news out of georgia over the tougher new restrictions on voting just became law. republican lawmakers nationwide are pushing for similar restrictions and the former president has come out and said that federal legislation to block them, which president joe biden is trying to get through congress, would mean, quote, republicans will have a very hard time getting elected.
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back with van jones and charlie dent. van, what kind of an impact do you think this georgia voting bill is actually going to have there? could it backfire on republicans? >> listen, it's an attack on democracy and civil rights. it's an attack on black voters. here's the thing. when we don't participate, then they say, well, you know, black voters don't care, black people don't care, they're appear thettic. then when we read the rules and obey the rules, even republicans in georgia found no evidence of systemic voter fraud. we did what the rule book said, they said you still cheated and we're going to change the rules. hold on a second. you're saying the only acceptable outcome is an outcome where black voter preferences are denied. at that point, you know, i think what you will see is organizers on the ground will double down, triple down, quadruple down.
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people aren't going to lie down and take this. you've now exposed that the problem that the republican party, at least in georgia, has is just with black voters. there's no fraud there's been proved, even by their own elected officials. and so this is a very dark moment in the history of the country. >> what's to hypothecritical ab this, a lot of folks who feel that there was something wrong about the last election, there's a lot of folks who just don't have faith that it was legitimate. obviously the reason for that is that the former president was pushing this lie. but to make legislation based on, you know, a projection of how they're saying some people feel based on something that is not true, that's just nuts. >> well, anderson, there's an overreaction by many republican legislators around the country to what happened in the
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election. donald trump lost the election because of his conduct or misconduct in office and his response to the covid crisis. republicans around the country did extremely well with the voting systems in place. the method of voting is not what drives turnout. it's anger, it's enthusiasm, it's motivation. that's what drives the turnout, and republicans kid well down-ballot. trump did not, again, because of his own conduct. so i think it would behoove these legislators to take a deep breath and recognize that they did well with the system and they can do well with it again. they need to go out and reach out to communities where they're not doing well and energize their base to vote. that's how they should deal with this. pennsylvania, we changed the law too and republicans did just fine. going back to the 2019 method, it won't necessarily be better for republicans. i'm not sure why they think this is such a good idea. >> van, i want to play some of what president joe biden was
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asked about today and what he said. >> what i'm worried about is how un-american this whole initiative is. it's sick. it's sick. deciding in some states that you cannot bring water to people standing in line waiting to vote? deciding that you're going to end voting at 5:00 when working people are just getting off work? deciding that there will be no absentee ballots under the most rigid circumstances? i mean, this is gigantic what they're trying to do. and it cannot be sustained. i'll do everything in my power, along with my friends in the house and senate to keep that from becoming the law. >> so is there anything his administration really can do about it? >> yeah. they could pass voting rights and they should. i do think that we're now coming up against a real challenge in
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this administration. joe biden, as you saw, is a passionate institutionalist. he believes in the right to vote. he believes in our institutions of government. but now what you're seeing is people abusing the state legislative process to close the door on voters, just like they did back in the jim crow era and actually worse. and you also see the filibuster being abused in the senate to prevent any redress. there's going to need to be a real effort here. if you got to push the filibuster to one side, you got to do it to protect the right to vote. >> charlie, i know you don't think -- you think democrats aren't going to rue the day, they're going to regret the day they messed with the filibuster. we all talk about the filibuster because we follow this stuff. a lot of folks out there don't know the details on this. can you explain briefly what it is and why do you think if democrats eliminate it, they're going to end up regretting it? >> sure. the minority party in the senate has the ability to obstruct
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legislation. in order to break that filibuster, to break it it would require a 60-vote threshold. i watched republicans after the tea party wave, very conservative republicans and donald trump argued to get rid of the filibuster. i said you will all regret the day because someday the shoe will be on the other foot, in this case, on the left foot and they'll baseball ram things through that you will not like. same thing is happening today. look, the filibuster is overused and it is abused. i do believe it should be reformed. but it must be done on a bipartisan basis. a lot of people say, yes, it's a relic of jim crow. i got news for people. the voting rights act of 1965 and the civil rights act of 1964 passed, became law in spite of the filibuster. in 2006, i voted for the reauthorization and it passed. the issue is, they need to fix
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. first court appearance for the man accused of murdering ten in a boulder, colorado, grocery store on monday. a judge ruled the suspect will remain behind bars without bail after his attorney asked to delay his next hearing for weeks to assess her client's mental health. police are still trying to determine a motive. ten more families torn apart by another senseless act of gun violence. kevin mahoney proudly walked his daughter down the aisle this summer. >> thank you so much for being with us. how are you both holding up? >> well, it's of course, understandably very difficult, but we have had so much love and support from our community and
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friends all across the country. so it's been very helpful. >> erica, the photos of your dad from this summer at your wedding, they're so touching. can you talk a little bit about your dad? what do you want people to know about him? >> i think that photo captured who dad was because he is filled with so much love and i love the photograph because i'm looking up at him and you can tell he's so proud of me and proud of my husband who i was walking to. and, you know, holding back tears. >> erica, i heard your dad was a father to a lot of people in the neighborhood. >> yeah. he spent so much time outdoors with my younger brother and i and all of our friends. he would play with us for hours.
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a lot of my friends have been texting me and saying that my dad was the best example of a father and that he was a dad to them too. >> you were married for 30 years. it's so extraordinary. what has been this last year -- what's it been like during the pandemic? >> well, we've been married 35 years. >> 35, i'm sorry. >> so that's a long time. this past year, actually, during the pandemic was a blessing for us. it gave us time to be together. it reminded me almost like the beginning of our marriage. we took a lot of walks. we cooked together. we watched tv together. we were -- i'm very grateful for this past year because we were both working together as a team under very difficult circumstances.
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>> it's extraordinary to have had that and to be able to view that as a blessing at a time like this. erica, i understand you're pregnant, and your dad knew about that. i'm sure he was thrilled to death and incredibly excited about that. what do you want your daughter to know about your dad? >> i know that she will know how much her grandfather loves her and that she can tell even in the photographs and the stories that we'll share how amazing he was. and i think she'll have his spunky attitude and his love for the outdoors. my dad absolutely loves the outdoors. he spent so much time hiking and being outside. one thing that makes this harder is being pregnant, but at the same time it also gives you
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strength because this is such devastating news and it's so hurtful, like, you know, my dad would just want me to be, you know, the mom i will be and to carry on. and so we're going to do that for him. >> you're going to be a great mom because you've had a great mom and you have a great dad as well. >> yeah. i've had some amazing examples. >> also, your dad did a lot of charity work. >> my dad volunteered for the past five years with meals on wheels, and i got to actually go out with him one afternoon and see him in that element. and it really just, i think, shows who my dad was to be able to go into someone's home and be that caring, comforting person for someone in need who lives alone.
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and he just was so kind to everyone, and i think one thing we want people to know is he's a real person, and his loss has a ripple effect to so many people and the boulder community and beyond. there was one other thing too about the litter bugs. he doesn't like bitter zblugz he doesn't like bitter bugs? i understand he wasn't just hiking, he was cleaning up the trail. >> he was taking care of the trails. >> was that fun or was that infuriating while hiking? >> i mean, there's not that much to do. but what i wanted to say is thank you to everyone who has shown us love and support at this time.
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it means so much to me. there was one person who wrote me a beautiful letter. it had a very important message in it that i'd like to share. it said, if you are in pain and suffering, remember who you truly are and breathe. you are as vast as the sky, as bright as the stars, as wide as the ocean, as strong as a mountain, and as beautiful as the first flower blooming in spring. >> that is -- those are powerful words. i'm glad they bring you some comfort and it will comfort a lot of people in this difficult time. thank you so much for talking with us about kevin, about your dad and your husband. thank you. >> thank you. one family's grief. just ahead, the politics of wearing a mask. today, another republican took a
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as we continue to return to classrooms... parents like me want to make sure we're doing it safely. especially in the underserved communities hardest hit by covid. trust me, no one wants to get back to classroom learning more than teachers like me. using common sense safety measures like masks, physical distancing, and proper ventilation. safety is why we're prioritizing vaccinations for educators. because working with our local communities... we will all get through this together, safely. . president joe biden touted a new vaccination goal, 200 million doses administered in his first 100 days in office. it's double the original goal. something his administration is already on pace to do. while that was going on, senator
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ted cruz engaged in the kind of mask theatrics his republican colleague had last week. >> good afternoon. >> would you mind putting a mask on for us? >> yeah, when i'm talking to the tv camera, i'm not going to wear a mask. >> it would make us feel better. >> you're welcome to step away if you like. the whole point of a vaccine, cdc guidance is what we're following. >> now, just so we're clear, cdc guidance is when fully vaccinated, people are in a public setting engaged in a social activity, they should always wear a mask. dr. sanjay gupta is here and dr. wen. what is your reaction to the senator there? >> it was discourteous and, frankly, not just true, as you said. we know that right now when there is such a high level of coronavirus that's circulating in our communities, that even people who are fully vaccinated
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where they are in public with others who are not yet vaccinated, that the courteous and the right thing for them to do from an infection control standpoint is to wear a mask, and that's what senator cruz should've done, although i will say i'm glad that he is vaccinated and i hope all his counterparts who are elected leaders will become vaccinated too. >> president joe biden's new goal of 200 million vaccine doses in the first 100 days, u.s. is averaging about 2.5 million doses a day right now. is 200 million realistic? >> yeah, it's very realistic. you know, keep in mind from the beginning, i think, even before the administration took over, we were already at some 900,000 vaccines per day at that point. a couple months ago we were already at 1.5, so we're getting close to even doubling that. i think if nothing changed, we just kept can at the current pace, it would be some 206 million vaccines in 100 days.
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but it's probably going to increase because you have the mass vaccination sites that are opening and other ways of targeting hard-to-reach areas. it's very doable and we will surpass it. they keep saying they're underpromising and overdelivering. that's their strategy. this is another example. >> it's clearly a strategy to underpromise and then say we're doing better than we thought. dr. wen, a study finds mrna vaccines work in pregnant women. can you put into perspective for us, is there enough data for pregnant women or women wanting to become pregnant to feel safe about receiving the pfizer or moderna vaccine? >> so there is accumulating evidence of the safety and efficacy of the vaccines for pregnant women. so initially in the clinical trials, pregnant and breastfeeding people were not included. but since then, we've had thousands of pregnant individuals choose to take the vaccine. many are essential workers who are at high risk for exposure.
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others may be individuals with underlying conditions that make them at risk for severe outcomes. there have been no adverse safety signals or concerns in the thousands of women who have taken the vaccine thus far. and now there's growing evidence that they also mount a strong immune response that protects them. in fact, the antibodies that are produced seem to cross the placental barrier skpltsz are secreted in breast milk and protects the newborn. i would talk about it with my physician, but i probably would choose to take the vaccine. >> if you were actually pregnant, you would take the vaccine? >> i would, yes. >> sanjay, researchers at duke university have begun trials of pfizer's vaccine in children between ages of 5 and 11. can you just talk about how that works? how do researchers determine the correct dose to give to kids? is there a chance children may be able to vaccinated by the start of the school year in the fall? >> yeah. well, i think keep in mind the
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pfizer vaccine is authorized for those 16 and older, so there's some students, you know -- i have a 15-year-old daughter who turns 16 in june so we're having this conversation regularly. it's already authorized for some high school students. for younger high school students there's a good chance you'll have an authorized vaccine by the beginning of the school year. people between the ages of 12 and 15. for younger people, this is interesting, they are doing these dose trials. they tried different doses. they start at 10 micrograms and go to 30. and they see two things. is it safe, that's primarily what they're testing, but also is it effective in the sense that it's generating enough of these neutralizing antibodies, a term a lot of people are familiar with now. those trials are starting now and i think if you sort of look how long these trials take, possibly by the beginning of
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next year there could be an authorized vaccine for for people younger than 12 years old. >> in michigan they reported six new outbreaks in schools, 165 ongoing outbreaks. some schools revert to go remote learning. what does that tell us? >> it tells us when we have a more contagious variant, that all bets are off because it means that the activities that we thought were pretty low risk are now going to be higher risk. and so i am very concerned about what this means for schools, especially as we are reducing the distance requirement in our schools. i'm not saying schools should close, but we may need to be putting in additional layers of protection, especially with these more contagious variants. and i think that really increases our impetus for getting as many vaccines into arms as possible, including teachers, parents, and everybody in the community. actually, michigan hospital association just released data saying that they have something like a 600% increase in the hospitalizations of people in
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their 30s and 800% increase in hospitalizations of people in their 40s. and so it really is a serious problem there, and i worry about what that may look like for the rest of the country. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, details on what president joe biden discussed recently with author michael eric dierch and his colleagues, writers, and hitchhikestorians it compares to the past. yson an writers, and historians and how it compares to the past.
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leadership is one-size-fits-all. president biden is the oldest man to assume the presidency at 78. he's also spent more than fore decades in washington, d.c. politics. during his news conference, he briefly referenced some of his predecessors, and he reminded gun control mattered not only how you do it but when. >> it's a matter of timing. as you have all observed,
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successful presidents better than me have been successful in large part because they know how to time what they're doing. order it, decide priorities, what needs to be done. >> perspective from michael eric dyson who is a group of writers and historians who had a chance to sit down with the president for a wide ranging discussion. professor dyson, michael, good to see you. you were there for the meeting of the presidential historians at white house. biden had questions for everyone in the room. i wonder what you and the president and others talked about? >> it was a remarkable conversation, and thank you if having me, brother anderson. a remarkable conversation. this is a president who is deeply curious and profoundly reflective on predecessors, people who came before him,
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history and tradition. you saw it when he was in the senate, his respect for that valuable and venerable institution. and also his appreciation for the fact that he's in this job as the oldest occupant in that office, and yet he has a desire to get it right. what did other presidents do before him? what did other figures who occupied that office in a time of crisis do? and so it was remarkable to see up close, again, and i have known him for quite a few years, but to see that hunger, that desire to know, despite the fact he was 78 years old, he invited us there to engage him, to think about things, and after each presentation, anderson, unexpected by me, i must confess, he gave a kind of extended analysis. it was like being at a graduate seminar where he was weighing in on the issues. he wasn't a passive bystander. he didn't, as a spectator consume the knowledge. he was soaking it up, he took notes of the wisdom, but he also
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reflected on what he knew. and i can guarantee you on every subject, on every person, on everything, on every historical epic, he was quite prepared, and an improvisational factor, in an improvisational fashion, he was able to engage us, talk to us, reflect on these ideas, and really put forth some of his own thinking about these issues. it was quite remarkable. >> did you get a sense, are there presidents he thinks about a lot more than others? i mean, you know, i'm assuming kind of fdr, you know, there's people who have compared a potential given the economic situation we're facing, obviously, fdr facing fdr's new deal, lyndon johnson with his great new society programs. >> yeah, no question. i think that obviously, fdr, you would think lincoln, because this president is facing a racial conundrum, a racial
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catastrophe, the likes of which we haven't seen in this nation since the 1960s. and then when you harken back to a person like president like lbj, lyndon baines johnson facing down the southern bigotocracy that prevailed and his ability to collar those senators and force their hands, so to speak, to do something different. he's got a long view of history. the hallowed hall of presidents who have occupied that space, the ghosts of though presidential auras, seem to ring him in a quite intimate fashion, and being the oldest occupant of that office, excuse me, gives him a sense, i think, of duty and a commitment to really get it right. as the sagacity and the wisdom of those ages gangs up on him in a powerful way. and i'll tell you what. for people who are worried about him being the oldest president ever to occupy that place, he's got stamina, man, because
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several times during the meeting, he was being handed notes, hey, dinner is waiting, family is waiting. should they go on? he didn't flinch. he was able to go on for another good hour. thinking, talking, reflecting, and genuinely. people were taken by the fact it was a genuine curiosity. other presidents have invited us in. they want us to be their messenger boys and kngirls or crete a message for you to deliver. this can be derived in comparative analysis between this and another time. >> axios reported the president's mindset is he wanted to go bigger and faster than anyone expected when it comes to accomplishing his goals. i don't know if you can say, but did you get that sense from him in terms of the questions he was asking, the feedback he was getting from the group? >> yeah, i mean, he was asking very penetrating questions. he was also, you know, it was a beautiful thing to see a guy go
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big and go fast, because he learned a lesson from his former boss, president obama. you try to negotiate with the other side. you try to reach across the aisle. they keep like alligators tearing your arms off and you get nothing at the end. what he's understood quite presciently and quite insightfully is, i'll go there if you want to go there, but if you don't, i'll go the road alone. you can do this if you have the will of the people and the bully pulpit to establish your moral authority in a perfect sense to get your public policy passed. i think that's what he's about. >> professor michael eric dyson, good to see you. thank you. >> it's a busy night. stay with us for more on the new legislation signed into law in georgia that aims to restrict voting in the future. changes based on a lie. we'll have more on president biden's first news conference, and at least five people dead after a tornado touching down in alabama. i'll have a report on that and more when we continue. neither are resilient people.
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good evening. chris cuomo is off tonight. we begin with breaking news. some of the nation's voter restrictions are now law, signed into law in georgia under protest and not without drama. >> like you're going to do something. >> are you serious? >> no, you are not. >> she's not under arrest. >> for what? under arrest for what? >> that is a democratic stat
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