good evening. we begin with breaking news. georgia governor, late this evening, signing draconian, new voter registration measures into law. a law based on a lie. it says the law is meant to address, quote, lack of elector confidence in the election system. gee, i wonder where that came from. georgia's 2020 election results were counted. they were recounted. and they were counted, again. no meaningful fraud was uncovered. the results were certified and attested to, numerous times, including by georgia's republican, trump-supporting secretary of state. in short, any, quote, lack of elector confidence, stems from

all the lies about the election. what's more, former trump attorney sydney powell is now all but admitting to being a lawyer in her own court filings to avoid being sued massively. her defense against defamation claims is that no-reasonable person would accept her postelection statements as fact. seems like, a lot of elected officials are. ahead, tonight. how the big election lie is driving voter registration -- or voter-restriction legislation measures, nationwide. and how far the biden administration play be may be willing to go to oppose them. first, our dianne gallagher with what's in the new, georgia law. diane. >> anderson, look, this is a massive bill that has now become law. that literally, changes almost every aspect of georgia elections, from top to bottom. but the parts of it that have been focused on the most are those that would, basically, restrict ballot access. and particularly, restrict ballot access for voters of color. now, some of those points are now requiring i.d. for absentee voting, instead of what georgia

was doing before, which is signature match. they're limiting drop boxes to only being inside early-voting locations. and they're making it a misdemeanor to give food or drinks to voters, who are waiting in line to vote. perhaps, the part of this bill that has created the most outrage from lawmakers, democratic lawmakers and voting-rights activists, is the fact that it broadens out the power, that state officials have over local-election management. so far as to that they could replace local-election officials. now, many of the people who oppose that see that as a direct strike against the blue pockets in the state of georgia. like here, in fulton county, and atlanta, that helped push the last elections for two democratic senators and for president joe biden in november. and so, a lot of the voters that we have talked to, people who have been -- who are upset about this, say they kind of see this as revenge, anderson. now, there was a lot of

attention that was on some earlier parts of this bill. those have been taken out and some of that likely did come from the protests. the outrage. the anger that they saw online. but there was a portion that talked about getting rid of sunday voting. if you remember, we talked a lot about souls for the polls and black churches going and voting on sundays, early voting, after services. well, that's not necessarily -- that's not a part of the bill, anymore. and instead, they have made it two mandatory saturdays up from the one that it was before. and optional two sundays. but while it expands early voting, that is true, for some counties. in other counties like here in fulton county, it likely reduces some of the hours of weekend-early voting. >> dianne gallagher, appreciate it. thanks. more coming up on what president biden is doing to oh he pose the kind of measures passed today. he spoke about it today at the first press conference of his presidency. it was in just about any way you could imagine, anything that an appearance by the former

president was not. did not, as the former president did during his first press conference, falsely declare his victory the biggest since reagan, which it wasn't and still isn't. he did not have to explain the firing of a national security adviser. there was no defense today of vladimir putin. and though he did show imparks, at times, with the questioning, there was no attacks on the news media. the president did what presidents have always done at moments like these, and we actually learned a lot from it. he made news on priorities, voting rights, covid, even infrastructure, which became a running joke in the last administration. he also talked about what he sees as his larger mission. >> so i'm running for three reasons. to restore the soul, dignity, honor, honesty, transparency, to the american-political system. two, to rebuild the backbone of this country. the middle class. hard-working people, people struggling in the middle class. they built america. and unions built them.

the third reason i said i was running was to unite the country. >> joining us now, cnn's kaitlan collins who got the president to make news with one of her questions. so, kaitlan, there is certainly a lot of curiosity about what the president would do and say at this news conference, how he would say it. what do you think the key takeaway was? >> well, i mean, he got really animated talking about voting rights. as diane was just laying out there. what we saw go into action today. what he was asked about before it actually had been passed and signed into law by the georgia governor. he was really animated. he called it unamerican. he called it despicable. he called it sick. he really railed against these efforts by republicans to restrict access to voting. that was one of the key headlines. but, anderson, then, he was also pressed on immigration. and the surge that we have seen on the southern border. and, of course, you know, this idea that has not just come from his critics but even top-mexican leaders that it's his policy and his demeanor toward the border that has driven so many migrants to make their way up toward the

southern border. he said he does not believe that is the case, and he pointed to other surges that happened under former-president trump. and then, of course, another big question people are asking act this week, that had come up since he announced he was going to do this press conference, was guns, and where he is going to move on that. and if he is going to actually introduce legislation or sign any executive orders. and he made pretty clear, at this press conference today, anderson, that it's not his top priority. infrastructure is what he wants to do, next. >> you also asked the president very specific question about the filibuster. >> yes, because, of course, the fill bust, while it's not really well known to everyone, is incredibly important to what the rest of his agenda, post-infrastructure, is going to look like. because he will have to get republican support to get bills, like ones on gun control or immigration, passed. or he will have to eliminate the filibuster, potentially, so they can get it passed with 51 votes, instead of 60 votes. and so, i asked him if he agreed with the characterization we heard from president obama not that long ago at john lewis's funeral. when he said he believed that the filibuster was a relic of

the jim-crow era. specifically, talking about voting rights and getting legislation on voting rights passed. and i asked president biden, does he agree with that? he quickly said, yes, but, of course, the next, natural question is if that is how you feel and that is your characterization of it, then why not abolish it? why not eliminate it, if it is a relic of the jim-crow era? and he gave a lengthy -- a lengthy answer, anderson, after taking a pretty big pause. and basically, he summed it up by saying, right now, he wants to focus on what he sees as abuse of the filibuster, which is overuse of the filibuster compared to when he was in the senate. >> kaitlan, stay with us. i want to bring in two more voices. cnn political commentator and former special adviser to president obama, van jones. and dan chalian. do you think president biden -- i mean, how do you think he did today? did -- did he do what -- what he felt he needed to? >> i think there's no doubt that he -- he was pleased with the

results of today. but i think, it was important to note his mission, going in here. what he clearly tried to accomplish in this press conference was to, yes, deal with questions about the stuff that lands on the president's plate. that you don't plan for. like, this crisis at the border. dealing with immigration. mass shootings and -- and what that means for gun legislation, going forward, anderson. but i think he was so set on sticking to the plan, because he believes, and his administration believes, that nothing else will matter, until they can get fully through this pandemic. get the economy restored. and invest in that economy, for the long-term. once that's accomplished, then he can tackle these other issues. but he was pretty clear that nothing is going to derail him, at least he hopes, from sticking to that game plan. and that's why he set his next priority as that big

infrastructure package. >> van, as someone who supported candidate biden, are you happy with what you heard? >> hey. there is no buyer's remorse anywhere in the democratic party, based on what joe biden is doing and what he has done. he -- you know, he's got the challenge on the border. you know, every president has faced that. he did tremendously well. i'll add to what david just said. he is trying to focus on the economy, but democracy, itself, is on shaky legs. and he spoke to that, very powerfully. when you talk about, you know, voting rights being under attack and an unprecedented way in the modern era. and the filibuster being abused in a way that's making govern -- governance almost impossible. he has to deal with the democracy issues, both the filibuster and voting. he is going to do that but i think a lot of people were thinking he is going to fall on his face. he's old. he can't handle the questions. he's -- every time people say that stuff, joe biden proves 'em -- proves 'em wrong. i think he got one little gaffe

in the whole hour. and i, again, zero buyer's remorse from democrats with this president. >> kaitlan, president biden was pressed repeatedly about the situation at the border. the number of migrant children being -- being held by the u.s. government. he blamed the previous administration for dismantling the system the u.s. had to deal with the immigration and said he is committed to transparency, as soon as he is able to implement his plan. did he explain why he doesn't allow full access right now to the media so the public can actually see what's happening? i mean, it seems pretty questionable. >> well, what we have heard so much was the talk about coronavirus. and the pandemic. and, of course, obviously, they want to prioritize the safety of the officials working there. the kids who are being held at these facilities and processed through them. that is understandable. but there are, also, ways to make it work. of course, they gave access to a health and human services facility, this week, for example. they limited it to just one reporter from one outlet and a few cameras. not the normal slew of reporters that you would see. but the question is, you know, you don't want to just see the hhs facility. you also want to see the

border-patrol facility, which is a, very much, a jail-like detention center, where kids are hanging out way longer than they should be and are legally allowed to be. and so, biden said today he is committed to transparency. but he didn't give a firm time of when, exactly, reporters will be allowed into those border-patrol facilities. and we've been asking for about a month now. so it's a really important question. because, of course, the trump administration was not exactly eager to give access to those facilities, either, when they were at the height of the 2019 crisis. but it's still important for reporters to have independent coverage of what's going on inside these facilities. >> yeah. i mean, it's hypocritical to say you believe in transparency. and then, you know, stonewall on actually letting there be anybody, you know, and claiming it's because of covid. as we said, there is plenty of ways to -- to, you know, adhere to covid protocols. david, president biden made it very clear that his focus, now, is on infrastructure as you talked about. even when he was asked about guns, pivoted back to -- to infrastructure. i mean, a lot of politicians, you know, a lot of presidents, have things they want to be

their focus. and often, do end up getting taken -- taken off it. the events make it impossible to focus, solely, on -- on one thing. >> there is no doubt about it. i mean, that is, very much, what defines many presidencies is how presidents handle the unexpected that's thrown their way, anderson. but i did think it was revealing, when president biden did say that he believes successful presidencies are the ones, that know how to prioritize the policy proposals. and sequence them, in -- in a way, and to me, he then went right into pitching his infrastructure plan. and to me, that indicated he believes that he has a chance at really broadening his appeal to -- to a majority of the american public. if, indeed, he remains focused on investing, long-term, in this economy. that -- that's the thing that will give him the entree to, then, try and convince republicans and others to get

onboard with other policy proposals of his that may be a bit more traditionally partisan. >> van, does that -- do you think that works? >> look, i -- i think, the economy still -- it's the economy, stupid. hasn't that been the watch word for a couple generations now? i think that's correct. he's got to create, kind of, a rising tide. and i think he's put himself in a position to do that. and then, these other things that are important. for instance, you know, with immigration. i actually think more transparency on immigration, actually, helps biden more than it hurts him because it creates more urgency to help to solve that problem. and -- and -- and kind of gives him, i think it actually will strengthen his hand. i think, you know, he's got a number of things on his plate, right now. i think he's 100% correct that most people are going to judge him based on his economic performance. if this economy comes roaring back at 6, 7, 8, 9%, the midterms are going to be -- look a lot better for democrats than they would otherwise. >> kaitlan collins, david chal

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breaking news out of georgia where some of the toughest new restrictions on vote being just became law. as you know, republican lawmakers nationwide are now pushing for similar restrictions. and the former president has come out and said that federal legislation to block them, which president biden is trying to get through congress, would mean, quote, republicans will have a very hard time getting elected. back now with van jones and joining us former pennsylvania republican congressman, charlie dent. van, what kind of impact do you think this georgia voting bill is actually going to have there? and could it backfire on republicans?

>> well, listen. it -- it is an attack on democracy. it's an attack on civil rights. it's an attack on black voters. and here is the thing. when we don't participate, then they say, well, you know, black voters don't care. black people don't care. they're apathetic. then, when we read the rules and obey the rules. and in georgia, they found -- even republicans found no evidence of systemic-voter fraud. so, we did what the rule books said do. you still cheated and we're going to change the rules. well, hold on a second. you are basically saying the only acceptable outcome, is an outcome where black-voter preferences are denied. and at that point, you know, i think what you will see is organizers on the ground will -- will double down, triple down, quadruple down. i don't think people are going to lie down and take this. but you have now exposed that -- that -- that the problem that the republican party, at least in georgia, has is just with black voters. there -- there is -- there's no

fraud that's been proved even by their own-elected officials. and so, this is i think a very, very dark moment in the history of the country. >> charlie, what's so hypocritical about this is all these politicians, who are arguing, well, you know, this is really to -- because there is a lot of folks who just -- you know, who feel that there was something wrong about the last election. there's a lot of folks, who just believe -- you know, don't have faith that it was legitimate. obviously, the reason for that is that president -- the former president was -- was pushing this lie. but to make legislation, based on, you know, a projection of how they're saying some people feel, based on something that is not true. i mean, that's -- that's just nuts. >> well -- well, anderson, there's an overreaction, by many republican legislators around the country to what happened in the election. donald trump lost the election, because of his conduct or misconduct in office. and his response to the covid crisis. republicans around the country did extremely well with the voting systems in place.

the method of voting is not what drives turnout. it's anger. it's enthusiasm. it's motivation. that's what drives the turnout. and republicans did well, down ballot. trump did not. again, because of his own conduct. so, i think, it'd behoove these legislators, take a deep breath. and recognize that they did well with the system and they can do well with it, again. they need to -- they need to go out and reach out to communities where they are not doing well, and energize their base to vote. that's how they should deal with this. in pennsylvania, you know, we changed the law, too. and republicans did just fine. and -- and going back to the 2019 method, you know, won't necessarily be any better for republicans. so i'm not sure why -- why they think this is such a good idea. >> van, i want to play something that president biden was asked about today. and -- and what he said. >> what i am worried about is how unamerican this whole initiative is. it's sick. it's sick.

deciding, in some states, that you cannot bring water to people standing in line, waiting to vote? deciding that you're going to end voting, at 5:00, when working people are just getting off work? deciding that there will be no-absentee ballots under the -- the most rigid circumstances? i mean, this is gigantic, what they're trying to do. and it cannot be sustained. do everything in my power, along with my friends in the house and the senate, to keep that from -- from becoming a law. >> so, is there anything his administration really can do about it? >> well, yeah, i mean, they can -- they can pass voting rights and -- and they should. and i do think that we're now coming up against a real challenge for this administration. joe biden, as you saw, is a passionate institutionalist. he believes in the right to vote. he believes in our institutions of government. but now, what you are seeing is

people abusing the state-legislative process, to close the door on voters just like they did back in the jim-crow era. and actually, worse. and you also see the -- a filibuster being abused, in the senate, to prevent any redress. there is going to need to be a real effort here, if you got to push the filibuster to one side, you got to do it to protect -- protect the right to vote. >> charlie, i know you don't think -- or you think democrats are going to regret it, that they messed with the filibuster. can you just explain to people, first of all, i mean, we all -- we all talk about the filibuster because we follow this stuff. there is a lot of folks out there who don't know the details on this. can you just explain, briefly, what it is? and why do you think, if democrats eliminate it, they're going to end up regretting it? >> sure. the minority party in the senate has the ability to obstruct legislation and in order for the -- in order to break that filibuster, that's when they filibuster, to break it would require a 60-vote threshold. i watched republicans, after the

tea-party wave, very conservative republicans and donald trump argue to get rid of the filibuster. i said, you will all regret the day because, someday, the shoe will be on the other foot. in this case, on the left foot. and they will be able to ram things through that you will not like. same thing is happening today. look. the -- the filibuster is overused and it is abused. and i do believe it should be reformed. but it must be done, on a bipartisan basis. and a lot of people say, yes, this is a relic of jim crow. well, i got news for people. the voting rights act of 1965 and the civil rights act of 1964 passed, became law, in spite the filibuster. in 2006, i voted for the reauthorization of the voting rights act with a republican president and republican congress. it passed. the filibuster existed. the issue is they need to fix it but they have got to do it on a bipartisan basis. this will just turn into more acrimony and more bitterness, resentment, and hostility in this country. >> charlie dent, van jones,

appreciate it. the president said he will tackle gun control, when the timing is right. it's, tragically, too late for the families in mourning. the widow and daughter of a victim of the massacre in colorado join us next as police still work to determine a motive. what they want you to know about the light they lost in their lives, ahead.

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first court appearance today for the man accused of murdering ten in a boulder, colorado, grocery store on monday. a judge ruled the suspect will remain behind bars without bail after the defense attorney asked to delay his next hearing for weeks to assess his client's mental health. ten more families torn apart by another senseless about of gun violence. 61-year-old kevin mahoney, proudly, walked his daughter erica down the aisle just this summer. she, along with her mom, kevin's wife, ellen mahoney, joined me earlier.

erica, ellen, thank you so much for -- for being with us. how are you both holding up? >> of course, understandably, very difficult. but we have had so much love and support from our boulder community. and friends all across the country. so it's been very helpful. >> erica, the -- the photo i saw -- photos, i should say, of your dad from this summer at your wedding. they're so touching. could you just talk a little bit about your dad? what do you want people to know about him? >> i think that photo really does capture who dad was because he is filled with so much love. and i love the photographs because i'm looking up at him. and you can tell, he's so proud of me. and proud of my husband, who i was walking to. and, you know, holding back

tears. >> and, erica, i heard that your dad was kind of like the father to a lot of people in the neighborhood? >> yeah. he spent so much time outdoors with my younger brother and i, and all of our friends. he would play with us, for hours. a lot of my friends have been texting me, and saying that my dad was the best example of a father. and that he was a dad to them, too. >> and you -- you were married for 30 years. i mean, it -- it's -- it's so extraordinary. what has been, this last year, what's it been like during the pandemic. >> >> well we have been married years. >> 35, i'm sorry. >> so that's long time. this past year, actually, during the pandemic, was a blessing for us. it gave us time to be together. >> hmm. >> it reminded me, almost like the beginning of our marriage.

we -- we took a lot of walks. we cooked together. we watched tv together. we were -- it was just -- i'm very grateful for this past year, because it -- we were both working together, as a team, under very difficult circumstances. >> it -- it's extraordinary that -- to -- to have had that, and to be able to view that as -- as -- as a blessing, at a time like this. and, erica, i understand you're -- you're pregnant. and -- and your dad knew about that. and i'm sure, was thrilled to death and excited about -- and incredibly excited about that. what -- what do you want your daughter to -- to know about your dad? >> i know that she will know how much her grandfather loves her. and that she can tell, even in the photographs and the stories that we'll share, how amazing he was. and i think she'll have his

spunky attitude, and his love for the outdoors. my dad absolutely loves the outdoors. he spent so much time hiking, and being outside. one thing that makes this harder is being pregnant. but at the same time, it also gives you strength because this is such devastating news. and it's so hurtful. but, you know, my dad would just want me to be, you know, the mom i will be and to carry on. and so, we're going to do that for him. >> well, you're going to be a great mom because you've had a great mom. and -- and you have a great dad, as well. >> yeah. i've had some amazing examples. >> i know, also, your dad did a lot of charity work. >> my dad volunteered for the past-five years with meals on wheels. and i got to actually go out

with him one afternoon, and see him in that element. and it really just, i think, shows who my dad was. to be able to go into someone's home, and be that caring, comforting person for someone in need, who lives alone. and he just was so kind to everyone, and i think one thing we want people to know is, like, he's a real person. and his loss has a ripple effect to so many people. and the boulder community and beyond. and he -- there was one other thing, too, about the littering. >> he doesn't -- he doesn't like litterbugs. >> he doesn't like litterbugs? i understand, when he would hike -- when he would hike, he would actually -- he wasn't just hiking. he was also sort of cleaning up the trail. >> he was. taking care of the trails. >> was that -- was that -- was

that fun? or was that infuriating, while hiking? >> no. i mean, there's not much to do. but what i wanted to say is, thank you, to everyone who has shown us love and support, at this time. it means so much to me. there was one person wrote me a beautiful letter. and that has a very important message in it, that i'd like to share. and it said, if you are in pain and suffering, remember who you truly are and breathe. you're as vast as the sky, as bright as the stars, as wide as the ocean, as strong as a mountain, and as beautiful as the first flower blooming in spring. >> well, that is -- those are powerful words, and i -- i'm glad that they bring you some

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during his news conference, president biden touted a new vaccination goal. 200 million doses administered in his first hundred days in office. it's double the original goal. something his administration is already on pace to do. while that was going on, senator ted cruz engaged in the kind of mass theatrics his republican colleague, rand paul, employed last week. >> good afternoon. >> mask on for us? >> yeah, when i am talking to the tv camera, i'm not going to wear a mask and all of us have been immunized so -- you are -- you're welcome to step away, if you'd like. the whole -- the whole point of a vaccine, cdc guidance is what

we're following. >> now, just so we are clear, cdc guidance is that when fully vaccinated people are in a public setting engaged in a social activity, they should always wear a mask. want to get perspective on all this from our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. dr. leana wen, former baltimore health commissioner and cnn medical analyst. dr. wen, i am wondering what your reaction was to the senator there? >> well, it was discourteous and, frankly, just not true, as you said. we know that right now, when there is such a high level of coronavirus that's circulating in our communities, that even people who are fully vaccinated, when they are in public with others who are not, yet, vaccinated. that the courteous and the right thing for them to do, from an infection-control standpoint, is to wear a mask. and that's what senator cruz should have done. all though, i will say i am glad he is vaccinated and i hope his counterparts will become vaccinated, too. >> sanjay, 200 million vaccine

doses in the first 100 days. about 2.5 million doses a day right now. is 200 million realistic? >> yeah, it's very realistic. you keep in mind, from the -- the -- the beginning, i think even before the administration took over, we're already at some-900,000 vaccines, per day, at that point. you know, a couple months ago, we were already at 1.5. so, we're getting close to even doubling that. i think, if nothing changed, if we just kept at the current pace, it would be some-206 million vaccines at 100 days but it's probably going to increase because you got these mass -- mass-vaccination sites that are opening and other ways of targeting hard-to-reach areas so i think it is very doable. that's their strategy. i think this is another example of that. >> yeah. it's clearly a strategy to underpromise and then be able to say we're doing better than we thought. dr. wen, a new study finds mrna covid-19 vaccines are effective in pregnant and lactating women.

pfizer and moderna are the mrna vaccines, not johnson & johnson. can you put it in perspective for us? i mean, is there enough data for pregnant women to feel safe about receiving the pfizer or moderna vaccine? >> yeah. so, there is accumulating evidence of the safety and efficacy of -- of the vaccines for pregnant women. so initially, in the clinical trials, pregnant and breastfeeding people were not included. but since then, we've had thousands of pregnant individuals choose to take the vaccine. many are essential workers, who are at high risk for exposure. others may be individuals with underlying conditions that make them more at risk for severe outcomes and they chose to take the vaccine. there have been no-adverse safety signals, so no safety concerns in the thousands of women who have taken the vaccine, thus far. and now, there is growing evidence that they, also, mount a strong immune response that protects them. and in fact, the antibodies that are produced seem to cross the placental barrier, and also are

excreted in breast milk and may protect the newborn. so if i were pregnant right now, i would of course talk about it with my physician but i probably would choose to take the vaccine. >> if you were actually pregnant, you would take the vaccine? >> i would. yes. >> sanjay, along those same lines, researchers at duke university have begun trials of pfizer's vaccine in kmirn between the ages of 5 and 11. can you just talk about how that works? how do researchers determine the correct dose to give to kids? is there any chance children may be able to be vaccinated by the start of the school year, in the fall? >> yeah. well, i think, you know, keep in mind the pfizer vaccine is -- is authorized for those 16 and older. so, there's some students, you know, that might -- i -- i have a 15-year-old daughter, who turns 16 in june. so we are having this conversation regularly. but -- so it's already authorized for some high school students. i think, for younger high school students, there is a good chance you will have an authorized vaccine by the beginning of the school year. those are, you know, people between the ages of 12 to 15. for younger people, this is

interesting. they are doing these -- these dose trials. they -- they try different doses. they start at ten micrograms. they go to 20. they go to 30. they go to doses that are more like adults. and they see two things. you know, is it safe? that's primarily what they are testing. but also, is it effective, in the sense that it's generating enough of these neutralizing antibodies? a term, that a lot of people are familiar with now. so, that -- those trials are starting now. and i think, that if you sort of look at how these -- how long these trials take. you know, possibly, by the end of -- i'm sorry, fby the beginning of next year, there could be an authorized vaccine for people even younger than 12 years old. >> dr. wen, in michigan, department of health and human services, reported 65 new covid outbreaks in schools. 165 ongoing outbreaks. some schools reverting to remote learning. what does that tell us? >> it tells us that when we have a more contagious variant that all bets are off because it means that the activities that we thought were pretty low risk, are now going to be higher risk.

and so, i am very concerned about what this means for schools, especially as we are reducing the distance requirement in our schools. i'm not saying that schools should close. but rather, that we may need to be putting in additional layers of protection, especially with these more contagious variants. and i think that really increases our impetus for getting as many vaccines into arms as possible, including in teachers but also parents and everybody in the community. actually, michigan, their -- their -- michigan hospital association just released data saying they have something like a 600% increase in the hospitalizations of people in their 30s. and 800% increase in hospitalizations of people in their 40s. and so, it really is a serious problem there and i worry about what that may look like for the rest of the country. >> dr. wen, sanjay, thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up. details of what president biden discussed recently with author michael eric dyson and some of his colleagues, writers, and historians whether at this early stage, compares to presidencies

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president biden is the oldest man to assume the presidency at 78.

he's also spent more than four decades in washington, d.c. politics, including eight as vice president. during his news conference, he briefly referenced some of his predecessors, and he reminded gun control mattered not only how you do it but when. >> it's a matter of timing. as you have all observed, successful presidents better than me have been successful in large part because they know how to time what they're doing. order it, decide priorities, what needs to be done. >> perspective now from author michael eric dyson who is among a group of writers and historians who had a chance to sit down with the president for a wide ranging discussion, not only about the past but belief systems. he is the author of "a long time coming: reckoning and race in america." professor dyson, michael, good

to see you. you were there for the meeting of the presidential historians at white house. biden had questions for everyone in the room. i wonder what you and the president and others talked about? >> it was a remarkable conversation, and thank you if having me, brother anderson. a remarkable conversation. this is a president who is deeply curious and profoundly reflective on predecessors, people who came before him, a history and tradition. you saw it when he was in the senate, his respect for that valuable and venerable institution. and also his appreciation for the fact that he's in this job as the oldest occupant in that office, and yet he has a desire to get it right. what did other presidents do before him? what did other figures who occupied that office in a time of crisis do? and so it was remarkable to see up close, again, and i have known him for quite a few years, but to see that hunger, that desire to know, despite the fact he was 78 years old, he invited us there to engage him, to think about things, and after each presentation, anderson, unexpected by me, i must

confess, he gave a kind of extended analysis. it was like being at a graduate seminar where he was weighing in on the issues. he wasn't a passive bystander. he didn't, as a spectator consume the knowledge. he was soaking it up, he took notes of the wisdom, but he also reflected on what he knew. and i can guarantee you on every subject, on every person, on every theme, on every historical epic, he was quite prepared, and in an improvisational factor, in an improvisational fashion, he was able to engage us, talk to us, reflect on these ideas and really put forth some of his own thinking about these issues. it was quite remarkable. >> did you get a sense, are there presidents he thinks about a lot more than others? i mean, you know, i'm assuming kind of fdr, you know, there's people who have compared a

potential given the economic situation we're facing, obviously, fdr facing fdr's new deal, lyndon johnson with his great new society programs. >> right. well, yeah, no question. i think that obviously, fdr, you would think lincoln, because this president is facing a racial conundrum, a racial catastrophe, the likes of which we haven't seen in this nation since the 1960s. and then when you harken back to a person like president like lbj, lyndon baines johnson facing down the southern bigotocracy that prevailed and his ability to collar those senators and force their hands, so to speak, to do something different. he's got a long view of history. the hallowed hall of presidents who have occupied that space, the ghosts of those presidential auras, seem to ring him in a quite intimate fashion, and being the oldest occupant of that office, excuse me, gives him a sense, i think, of duty

and a commitment to really get it right. as the sagacity and the wisdom of those ages gangs up on him in a powerful way. and i'll tell you what. for people who are worried about him being the oldest president ever to occupy that place, he's got stamina, man, because several times during the meeting, he was being handed notes, hey, dinner is waiting, family is waiting. should they go on? he didn't flinch. he was able to go on for another good hour. thinking, talking, reflecting, and genuinely. people were taken by the fact it was a genuine curiosity. other presidents have invited us in. they want us to be their messenger boys and girls or they want to communicate a message to you to help them amplify. this president was interested in the intrinsic value and the inherent lessons that can be deprived between comparative analysis between this time and an earlier time.

>> axios reported the president's mindset is he wanted to go bigger and faster than anyone expected when it comes to accomplishing his goals. i don't know if you can say, but did you get that sense from him in terms of the questions he was asking, the feedback he was getting from the group? >> yeah, i mean, he was asking very penetrating questions. he was also, you know, it was a beautiful thing to see a guy go big and go fast, because he learned a lesson from his former boss, president obama. you try to negotiate with the other side. you try to reach across the aisle. they keep like alligators tearing your arms off and you get nothing at the end. what he's understood quite presciently and quite insightfully is, i'll go there if you want to go there, but if you don't, i'll go the road alone. and he understood from presidents past that you can do this if you have the will of the people and the bully pulpit to establish your moral authority in a perfect sense to get your public policy passed. i think that's what he's about. >> interesting. professor michael eric dyson, good to see you. thank you.

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