-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> the news continues, so let's hand it over to chris cuomo. >> reburgt and renewal to you and your family this easter season. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "cuomo prime time." this is the time of rebirth and renewal. jews celebrate the angel of death passing over homes of true believerers. the message could not be more

resonant. no matter what you choose it to be, we must all believe in something bigger than ourselves. for the religious, you know, like the ones i mentioned, it's god. but for all of us, religious, secular, whatever, there is still a call to something bigger. it is the pledge of allegiance to the collective, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. that pledge needs to be reaif you remembered right now. we are in a bad spot. we are mired in a time of a plague-like pandemic, and we are mired largely because of us and a collective lack of faith in the facts and the lack of faith to that pledge of allegiance. too many refuse to live the right way, with masks and with restraint, to hold back the variants. as a result all of us are

suffering. covid is rising again. the cdc director is now warning of impending doom if we don't work together to ward off a fourth wave. but the vaccine, people say. yes, the vaccine. it matters. but it has always been about time. this tension between vaccine and variants. the numbers tell the story. we have less than 20% of us fully immunized. we need to live right. otherwise the variants are going to make people sick, hospitalized sick, dead from being sick. how many before we can get people vaccinated? you heard the president today. 90% of adults in america will be eligible to get a shot by three weeks from now. the question is, how many will we let get sick? how many will die when we are so close and as a function of our

own choices? it depends on the question of allegiance. how much do you care about other people? that question plagues us on the justice front as well. do you see the opening statements today in the george floyd trial? the prosecution showing this 9:29 sequence. yeah. it went on longer than the 8-plus minutes we originally thought and we had been reporting all along, much longer. an agonizing encounter that the prosecution played in full saying see the reality. the defense suggested you may have lying eyes. the accused did exactly what he had been trained to do. and that this situation was more about floyd's health before the incident than what was done to him during the incident. there was also a very surprising

use of the crowd that was present on that day by both prosecution and defense. this is just the beginning. literally it was the first day of openings today in court. but the echos of these events reverberate in the streets of minnesota and around this country. and that will continue to be the case. so, let's start. let's bring in a better mind to analyze what mattered today in this trial and why. cnn legal analyst elliott williams, former federal prosecutor, former deputy assistant attorney general. good to see you, brother. >> hey, chris. >> what surprised you most today? >> look, the defense had one job -- the saying you have one job. they have one job as they do in any criminal trial, which is not to disprove every fact. it's simply to plant and cast doubt on the facts that the prosecution puts forward. and those two things were number one, trying to accomplish officer chauvin's actions as,

quote, objectionably reasonable, that's the line in the law. and number two, try to muddy the waters on the question of what killed george floyd. on the second point, what killed george floyd, there are not compelling arguments, chris. and i think we'll get into that a little bit in the conversation. the simple fact is the mere fact that he might have had -- that he had fentanyl in his system does not change the fact that we saw -- you saw it, i saw it, everyone in america saw it, the jurors saw it -- an individual being choked for nine minutes. so, yes, they did their job in attempting to cast doubt, but none of it seemed particularly compelling. >> they only need one to agree with them. >> one. >> on that jury. let's highlight some of the points and get your take. for the prosecution, the play was very simple and direct. this was not a split second decision where you can play to choice. this was deliberative. there are lots of chances to bail out. let's listen. >> once we have his final words,

you'll see that for roughly 53 seconds, he is completely silent and virtually motionless with just sporadic movements. it is the body's automatic reflex when breathing has stopped due to oxygen deprivation, it does not let up and it does not get up. even when mr. floyd does not even have a pulse. >> what was defense response on that point? >> right. well, again it's -- the central point in any homicide trial, chris, that one person ends the life of another person. and the defense tried to make the case that, well, he didn't end george floyd's life. that george floyd might have had other circumstances. look, let me be candid and a little graphic here, chris. as a prosecutor, i've seen autopsy photographs. i've gone through toxicology reports. they're graphic. they're disturbing. but what you learn is that every human body has a lot of

complications in it that are frankly quite ugly. so, on anyone's death, you can point to any number of circumstances that might have been abnormal inside a person. the simple fact is we saw an individual get choked to death. the mere fact that there might have been other circumstances that might have complicated his personal health just weren't that compelling. but again, that's the defense and that's how it works. the fact that it's their argument and their best argument doesn't necessarily make it. like you said at the beginning of this, chris, they just have to convince one. it's not about winning over the hearts and minds of every one of the 12 jurors. >> i promised myself i wouldn't jump ahead, but it's how my mind works. you're going to hear a lot about autopsy and science here. the defense will put on a case and chief -- what does that mean? they will put on a case. they don't have to. all right. or they could just sit there and check all the prosecution'sens withes. they're not. they're going to put on witnesses here.

and a big point that they're going to make is how much fentanyl was in his system, because they did get that report from at least one examiner that said he had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. now, how do you deal with that as the prosecution? >> well, okay. he didn't die of fentanyl overdose yesterday. he may not have died of overdose yesterday. but there's an astonishing coincidence that he seemed to die after he had someone's knee on his neck for nine minutes. and if you're the prosecution, that's the point that you get back to. it's you can cast -- you can find circumstances in people, even the consumption of substances that complicate their individual health at any given moment. but i think the defense can have a really hard time getting over that 9-minute have you had yo. chris, there's an important point that in the defense's opening statement, they said there's 50,000 pieces of evidence in this trial. and there are. but of the 49,999 we didn't see,

one of them was an image of a man choking another man to death. so, it might be 50,000 -- >> and it was longer. it was longer. >> yes. >> and the length is impressive here because that is a lifetime of decision making, nine minutes. it's one thing, an assailant and a policemen or whatever the situation is and it had to be done right now. did he do the right thing or now. very different standard for jurors than so much time, so much chatter, so many opportunities to make the choices. let's make a couple high points. the 911 dispatch, was interesting the use here by the prosecution. the defense is arguing it was about adrenaline and other things. listen to the 911 dispatcher. >> my instincts were telling me that something's wrong. something is not right. i don't know what, but something wasn't right. >> and what did you decide to do? >> i took that instinct and i called the circuit.

>> the context here was very interesting. she felt this was taking too long at the scene. relevance? >> right. so, what the defense says is number one, she's not a law enforcement professional. and number two, even if she is, she's only a handful of situations seen surveillance video. that's undercut by the fact that number one, by any objective measure, she's a credible witness. number two, she does this for a living. >> right. >> she's a law enforcement professional. and number three, she saw the video just like everybody else did. to a point she said to her supervisor she thinks her frozen because of how long it was going on for. >> right the duration. and it was reasonable to her who does this all the time that this was taking too long. the use of crowd on both sides was very interesting. ordinarily you ignore that as atmospherics, but not here. let's listen to the competing attributes that prosecution and defense tried to draw out from

the people watching the event that day. listen. >> you have older people, younger people, but you will see that what they all had in common is they were going about their business is that they saw something that was shocking to them, that was disturbing to them. >> there is a growing crowd and officers proceed to be a threat. they're called names. you heard them this morning. a [ bleep ] bum. they're screaming at him causing the officers to divert their attention from the care of mr. floyd to the threat that was growing in front of them. >> let's do this a little differently than i had planned. i want to jump right to the witness that they had on today. donald wynn williams. we have him on exclusively on this show when this was going on because i felt that the answer to the suggestion there by the defense of what that crowd's

role was, that they were freaking out the officers, that's not what this -- that's not what this witness says. listen to the witness. >> he was stressed because of the heat and he vocalized it, i can't breathe, i need to get up and i'm sorry. and his eyes slowly rolled to the back of his head. you seen the blood coming out of his nose. you could hear him. you could see him struggling to actually gasp for air while he was trying to breathe. and he barely could move while he was trying to get air. >> we had him on the show. he was brought to tears because he felt he should have rushed in and gotten them off of him. and that one of the officers was violent with him and he was restraining himself because he was so nervous about the situation. and every time you listen to people there, they were saying it's too much, it's too much, it's too much. who wins on the point of the crowd? >> it's hard to say who wins. he was saying it's too much as

well. i don't believe we saw this today but there's video of people overhearing him say its too much, it's too much, it's too much. >> he was begging them. he was begging them. he has training in martial arts. he was saying you're choking him off. it's a blood choke. you've got to stop. >> this whole question of being diverted from the care of mr. floyd, i heard that. there was a head scratching point. it's a little bit bizarre because he only needed care because he's beings asphyxiated by a police officer, not because he was having a heart attack or going into some other form of shock or something like that. it was an odd argument. the other thing about williams that's particularly compelling -- or at least interesting here is he made at least one statement that drew an objection from the defense, which is that, you know, i thought he was going in for the kill. i know this from mixed martial arts. that drew an objection. the judge said, you can't consider that. the jury heard it. this is one of the tricky things in trial where yes, the judge can instruct people not to

consider something they heard, but they heard it. you have this guy who's got martial arts training saying this looked like lethal force to me. >> and he's a security guard. and he's also something else. really, really ernst. his interview haunted me for days because i felt so badly for him. we spoke after the interview. he had put so much of this on him. i should have run in, i would have gotten arrested. maybe they would have done it to me. i could have saved that man. for a citizen to feel that way and for officers to not have acted that way is one of the most confounding parts of this trial. it was a big first day because the lines have been drawn. elliott williams, thank you very much. i hope to have you back early and often as we go step by step through what will matter in the ultimate verdict in this case. appreciate you brother. ten months later. >> take care, chris. >> ten months later. you got it in court but absolutely the court of public opinion. this is about systemic inequality. this is about liberty and justice for all.

it will play out in court, but you only know what you can show there is an entirely different dialogue, that those in the political minority are worried about. policing and having their rights stripped away. the fear is no different systemically between they're going to hurt us with police and now they're going to hurt us at the polls. it is connected. you must see it that way even if you don't agree. so, let's bring in somebody who is genius at understanding the role of dynamics in broader society. van jones with the reality playing out before our eyes next. ou ask suzie about the future, she'll say she's got goals. and since she's got goals, she might need help reaching them, and so she'll get some help from fidelity, and at fidelity, someone will help her create a plan for all her goals, which means suzie will be feeling so good about that plan, she can just enjoy right now.

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get justice for all others. >> we learned a couple of things in the trial today. that was fe lone nis floyd, george floyd's brother. his mask said 8:46. that's what we believed was the time of the video. it was extended to 9:30. we also learned that the decfene is going to play with the health of george floyd but not necessarily his character. that's interesting because that's what is going to reverberate about how this is perceived in society. we've all seen, heard and felt cries for racial justice across this country. but for all the calls for change and the hard discussions, where are we? and how big a deal is this in the understanding? van jones joins me now. van, good to see you. what did you take from today and the reactions to today around

the country? >> look, i mean, everybody i'm talking to is -- are frustrated, retriggered, retraumatized. seeing that video, seeing the complete contempt for life. you have a generation of african-americans and their allies -- i'm talking this entire young generation -- that is watching this to see if america -- listen. the system is on trial here. the system is on trial. and i can't tell you, people have tried to push away from this, move on from this. today brought it all back home for tens of millions of people. and if this is considered legal conduct from a police officer, if you can do this in broad daylight and not go to jail, it is -- it will be perceived as open season telling police officers from coast to coast you can literally get away with murder in broad daylight. so, this was -- i think today

was a brutal day for the people who were able to watch. a lot of people weren't even able to watch. they said, i just can't even put myself through it again. >> who knew it was even 30 seconds longer, almost 45 seconds longer. we all went with 8:46. you see it and it hurts. and it hurts black people, and it hurts white people who care about black people. and you believe we got to be better in this. and time and time again, you see in trial there -- elliott disagrees with me. better legal minds do, and i'm happy. i think this is not as easy to make as you expect. if you get one juror to believe that the amount of drugs in his system may have contributed to what happened to him that day, it could be over. what would that mean? >> i think it would be terrible. i'm an older guy. i was born in '68. i was in law school when rodney king went down. and that was the first time we had seen a video taped beating that the whole world saw. back then video tapes, you

barely saw a video camera off a movie set. maybe at thanksgiving dinner somebody would bring one out. to have a video taped beating where we could finally say this is what's been happening in the community. when they came back with the initial verdict that it was okay for a police officer to do that, you lost a whole generation, including me. i went to the left side of pluto. i was studying in law school and i said this is not liberty and justice for all. what is this? this is a different precipice we're hanging over now because you now have an entire generation -- and it's not just african-americans. it's all of our allies. part of that with the election of 2016. you had the suburbs move away from this negative racial politics as well as black people coming out in record numbers. this is the system on trial for a generation. and, you know, listen, you can ask any of the people who have

been marching out here in the middle of a pandemic, this is going to be -- there will be half a billion people watching when the verdict comes out. >> i've heard so many people recently, especially people of color, say, i knew they would screw us for coming out and voting the way we did. i knew it. i knew they were going to do this to us. now, this is hard to hear on several different levels. one, the expectation that you will be held down, you will be disenfranchised. and this idea of the they. there's this growing idea of us and them in this society in a way i've never seen it in my lifetime before. and these -- you know, look, the georgia bill, yes, okay. you can exaggerate it and say it's all jim grow type stuff. but the spirit of it. the spirit of it and what motivated and these others ones, do you see a connection between the fear that when people put their hand on their heart and say i pledge allegiance, dot,

dot, dot indivisible wl liberty and justice for all, george floyd is just as resonant to what happens with these laws to people who believe they're not equal under the system. >> well, we're at a cross roads now. you know, this is a new experiment. the idea that you're going to be a democratic republic, multiracial, every kind of human being ever born, every faith, every gender expression, every race, every kind of human being ever born in one country as a multiracial democratic republic, that's just been in our lifetime. i'm a ninth generation americanment i'm the first person in my family born with all my rights. i was born in '68. the big bills passed in '64, '65. you have a generation trying to pull this off. and the question is will half of the country accept that when we followed the rules, we read the rule book in georgia that was written for elections by republicans, signed into law by a republican.

we read the rule back and we followed their rules and we won. are you now telling us that black success is by definition illegitimate, that it's inconceivable that black people can follow the rules in this democracy, do what you told us to do and win fair and square? because when we win by the rules, you now change the rules. you're putting us in a very dangerous situation when you do that because what you're now saying is it doesn't matter if you follow the rules, we are still going to come and get you. once you have 40 million people in the country who no matter what we do, we break the law, we get in trouble, we follow the law, we get in trouble. no matter what we do, you are not going to accept us, then what do we have here? you've got a potential time bomb on both sides. and i think on the other side what i'm seeing is we talk a lot about white rage, white anger, the angry white man. there's some white grief that hasn't been talked about.

this country is changing in ways that a bunch of white folks did not sign up for, didn't expect and don't know what to do with. so, a lot of this rage is unprocessed grief that we need to be able to talk about. no. we are not going to back off. it is true. it may be the fact that your grand kids may not look like your grandparents. this country is changing. but it can be a greater country as a result. we need these white voters who are supporting republicans doing stuff that they know is wrong need to be called to a higher purpose. the republican party, which used to be the party of lincoln, should not be the party of steve bannon and all these terrible ideas. and there's no reason for it. so, you got fear on one side, grief on the other side, and the clock is ticking. i'm going to tell you right now, these bills that are being passed to chop us off at the voting block and juries coming out saying it's okay to kill us are putting us in a dangerous position as a country and as america. >> van jones, thank you very much. i appreciate you.

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we have written here a question. what will it take for everyone to heed the dangers of covid? it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen because there are too many bad reasons for people to ignore the

obvious. politics has crept into it. it's somehow empowering to the left if you wear a mask. it was deemed a muzzle by some in the opposition party. even the cdc director literally getting emotional with her concerns about how bad this could be. listen. >> now is one of those times when i have to share the truth and i have to hope and trust you'll listen. i'm going to pause here. i'm going to lose the script, and i'm going to reflect on the recurring feeling i have of impending doom. we have so much to look forward to, so much promise and potential of where we are and so much reason for hope, but right now i'm scared. >> the warning comes as cases are turning up. more people and say its are relaxing because we're all like, hey, we've had enough and the vaccine is coming.

let's discuss with dr. ashish jha. good to see you, brother. let's play to the idea this is faux panic. vaccine comes, people are getting sick, hospitalizations rates are up but they're nothing like what we saw before, i'm not buying it. save your panic for somebody else. what do you say to those people? >> thanks for having me on. what i would say is we're still getting about 60,000 people infected every day. hospitalizations are up. no doubt about it it's not as bad as it was over the holidays. a lot of very high risk people sbrn vaccinated. a lot of people are going to get sick and die unnecessarily when we're so close to the finish line. >> young adults are driving the rise in cases. the ipsos poll shows 54% of those under 30 will wait or not get the vaccine. relevancy? >> yeah. look, one of the things that one of the many pieces of

misinformation that's been spread for over a year is that young people don't get sick from this disease. that's not true. they don't get as sick as older people. they don't die as often. but a lot of them will end up having long-term complications. so, we've got to educate people and help them understand that they're not just doing it for themselves. they're doing it for a friend who might have a chronic condition. they're doing it for their family that may not be able to get vaccinated. lots of reasons for young people to get vaccinated. >> vaccine passport, good idea, bad idea? >> i think it's inevitable at this point. i think a lot of companies are going to demand it. if the government doesn't get involved in it. countries are going to demand it if americans want to travel to those places. i think it's inevitable. we have to do it in a way that's fair to people. >> machine to right are playing big brother. here's the florida governor. >> it's completely unacceptable for either the government or the

private sector to impose upon you the requirement that you show proof of vaccine to just simply be able to participate in normal society. >> can't go to school if your kids aren't vaccinated. why is this so different? >> you know, look, private companies can do what they want, and that's clearly something the governor understands. private companies may say, look, i don't want people who are going to come in and infect other people. i don't want my place of business to be a superspreading place. that's within their rights to do so. you are going to see companies do those kinds of things and that's part of the reason why you're going to see a lot of people off the fence jump off the fence and get vaccinated. >> that kind of talk is what's keeping people from getting vaccinated. big brother telling you what to do. this is this mission on the right about the pandemic is a hoax. you don't really need a mask. the vaccine which was trump's whole call to fame, right?

now he's quiet on it, basically, and they're saying don't let them push you around. it's not getting us to a better place any time fast. dr. ashish jha, be well. >> thank you. so, if you look at it this way, pandemic's scare, right? what's scarier than the pandemic? how about the response to it by an administration that banked on deep denial, even though they knew it was making us sick. so much so that dr. birx, of trump administration fame, says you know what? after the first 100,000 or so, that big surge, we really could have prevented a lot of those deaths. that's from trump's own covid task force. so, more proof of why so many of them went along with bad messaging for so long. someone who is on the inside and heard the private conversations versus the public conversations. olivia troye's take next.

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right on queue trump put out this screaming statement going after birx and fauci. why? because he wanted to make it perfectly clear to you that the type of environment they feared was real. and that's all his screed is in response to birx telling cnn the

truth, that hundreds of thousands of deaths from covid-19 could have been avoided if they hadn't been engaged in a campaign of deep denial that made us sick and die. listen. >> look at it this way. the first time we have an excuse, there were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. all of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially. >> first, i hear you. she should have said it then. oh, but she didn't want to lose her job. maybe it would have sent a message. when was the better time? now? who cares now? yeah, it's part of the autopsy to understand for later, but where was it then? dr. birx goes so far to even praise then president trump. listen. >> easter is a very special day

for me, and i say wouldn't it be great to have all of the churches full. the churches aren't allowed to have much of a congregation there. so, i think easter sunday and you'll have packed churches all over our country. >> he's been so attentive to the s scientific literature and details and data. >> there are those who lean to giving hope and giving the person access to the drug. then you have the other group which is my job as a scientist, which is to prove without a doubt that a drug is not only safe, but that it actually works. i've got to do my job as a scientist, and others have other things to do. >> now, look. am a completely objective on fauci? no. why? because i said at the time you need to keep fauci in that position. we needed him there. birx was in a different position. she was in the scott atlas mix, part of the white house apparatus. there was a political

demonstration message as part of hers, and she's praising trump that he's attentive to the literature. that can't be true. i don't know why she said it but it could never have been true because he always defied the literature except when his own ass was on the line. then he said i don't want that hydroxychloroquine. that's the reporting. i want the good stuff. that's what we see time and time again. they lied to you about the pandemic. it was a hoax. they said it. they lied. they lied to you about the election. and now their attorney is saying, shouldn't have believed me. sidney powell. you can't sue me for what i said? who would have believed it in their right mind. that's why people died. joining us now, mike pence's former homeland security adviser, worked with the coronavirus task force before resigning last august and choosing to speak out again against the trump administration's practices in real time. olivia troye, good to see you.

>> good to see you, chris. >> now, you may tell me that i am wrong and that i am being too tough on birx because of the system as it existed in that dynamic in a way that i don't understand. but you do. tell me. >> well, it was a toxic environment, and i think that there were a lot of factions and dynamics inside the white house that made it very hard for all of these doctors on the task force to do their job and do it well. and look, i watched that clip of dr. birx. i think i remember being inside the white house and i remember sort of shuttering when she did say that. i think at the time, though, i think she was probably communicating that she were reviewing the data. the problem is that they were not actually communicating what the data said, right, that it was going to be bad, that the cases were increasing. there was a push for a narrative that made it seem like everything was okay, and that

started very much early on. and then we did the 15 days to slow the spread plus the 30 days, right? and although that happened, but there was a significant pressure then after that to open up the country, to be open by easter. they wanted the churches open. and i've stated this, that's where it was all about the campaign. and that is, for me, i think a moral decision. you know, everybody has their own time where you decide, i can't do this anymore. and for me i had to speak out because i felt that what was happening was not only reprehensible and wrong -- people were dying -- but i was also worried about what this would mean for the country if this man remained in office and what would that mean for today. >> well, tell people what it was like talking to dr. birx when atlas came in. scott atlas, a sky that trump liked seeing on fox tv.

no experience with pandemics, not an epidemiologist, not a disease doctor. i think that he is a -- what is his specialist. he's a radiologist or something like that. not to defame radiologists, but they don't talk to you about pandemics. what was that like for you when that happened? >> she was horrified. i did have a conversation with dr. birx in late august, and she was frustrated at the fact that she was not no longer briefing the president and that scott atlas had his ear and he was the one at the task force meetings briefing misinformation. and when i read trump's statement tonight about dr. birx and dr. fauci, that statement to me read like it was written about scott atlas, because those are all the things that were said by the doctors about scott atlas. and they did not want to be in the room with him. so, i think that was donald trump projecting what his main adviser was doing behind the scenes. and, you know, when you have a force like that, donald trump's

going to pay attention to the person that's going to tell him the truth that he wants to hear. that is what the donald trump machine has always been. he choose s to listen to the people that are going to tell him what he wants to hear, even if it's not based in any facts or reality and science. and so these people just got pushed to the side. and you see dr. birx. she hits the road and she goes on travel and decides she's going to go speak frankly and directly to governors and states because she no longer is allowed access. she is no longer briefing. she did the one briefing in august where she gives a strong warning about the cases and what was going to happen. and that was it. and i know that people even on the vice president's team went out of their way to block her from speaking on national tv. and they didn't want her reports going out to governors. and this is the dynamic that was happening. and when you're fighting a pandemic of this magnitude, you

can't have the sort of dynamic going on internally. it's got to be all hands on deck because every day matters on this virus. >> yeah, look, it's on trump. at the end of the day, it's on trump, okay? the buck stops with him. >> exactly. >> he was about the deep denial. he was about telling the lies. and if you didn't play along, you were out. and i get the pressure, but imagine what would have happened if dr. birx had quit and gone public and went to congress and testified and said, this guy is lying to you for his own advantage. sure, she would have got beat up. but she got beat up anyway. i just wonder what it would have changed. it's not about birx. but she does fall into the category of evil can spread when good men stand by and do nothing. i'm not saying she wasn't doing nothing. but saying now what we all knew was true then, just not as helpful as what you did in real time, coming out, telling how it was happening. and it changed people's

perception. olivia troye, thank you for your perspective once again. appreciate you. and again, i don't like blaming people for saying the right thing, but timing matters, okay? and now you see the opponents, the opposition party. what are they doing now? more lies. you know why covid is surging? migrants. really? is that really what's happening? pinning the crisis on unaccompanied migrant children on biden. really? is what's happening at the border new? what's fair? what isn't? i have the ammunition needed for someone who wants to talk truth on this issue. next. yeah! honey, you still in bed? yep! bye! that's why we love skechers max cushioning footwear. they've maxed out the cushion for extreme comfort. it's like walking on clouds! big, comfy ones! oh yeah!

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documents reflected they have different choices they could have made but chose it for the h harshness. we have another surge that's seasonal. because there is a new president, suddenly it is a passion project. it is all about bad biden. never mind that the pandemic, natural disaster, economic crisis also play a major role, right? fluctuations and migration, they go up and down and we all know it. biden absolutely facing a major challenges in the months ahead. what we are seeing is not different than what we saw during the last crisis.

apprehension increased by a third. many of them are repeat crossers. the number show this crisis is not much different from the peaks we saw in 2019. here is where the bigger challenge is. unaccompanied minors. aka kids. we are on track to easily surpass the highs we saw in may 2019. that's when 11,000 kids were arrested at the border. last month you had more than 9,200 taken into custody. they'll increase. why? look, border officials are overwhelmed. the white house is working to solve it. removing trump's policies of harshness with a good move but

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