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president. everything about it was different. to start, diversity, as many women as men. and as many nonwhite as white. black, latino, asian american, all represented. this took place in the east room rather than the cabinet room because it's bigger. the news continues. let's head over to chris for cuomo prime time. >> jimmy, back to you and the family for easter. i wish you the best. be well. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." tonight, we're going to unpack the most uniquely bizarre scandal i have ever seen in politics, and the criminal consequences continue to grow by the hour. first, matt gaetz is under
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federal inquiry for six months. gaetz says there is nothing to even inquire about. he denies any and all allegations. okay. then we learn it's not just an inquiry, it's an investigation, and that investigation is into gaetz's dealings with a potentially under age woman. and it was then that the allegation was that he was involved in the trafficking of that under age woman. now, it is that there might be multiple minors involved, cash and drugs involved as well in that behavior. the latest, investigators may be trying to tie a sitting congressman to a fake i.d. scheme in which someone he apparently knows well was indicted. here is what we know. a witness has reportedly provided evidence linking him to
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a man named joel greenberg in florida, who was arrested, indicted and charged. and criminally including sex trafficking of a minor, and fabricating fake i.d.s and furtherance of the same thing. greenberg confirms he was in his office, quote, showing congressman gaetz what our open ration looks like. they have video of it, meeting on a weekend evening. we are also learning the federal investigation includes whether campaign funds were used to pay for expenses and travel. and everything i just said is merely after the equation. the other half is one of the more bizarre extortion schemes i ever heard of. it's unlike anything a member of
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congress has been tied to in recent memory. the other half we will talk about makes even less sense. we have the former director of the fbi here to make sense. i'm betting he has never seen anything like it either. we have to start tonight with a case that is all too real and true. and it is about george floyd's murder. it was a damning day for derek chauvin. the biggest exposure was chauvin's supervisor saying he was not immediately aware of the knee choke on george floyd. why will be the question. also two paramedics who were on the scene who said they could see from a far that george floyd wasn't breathing and was dead. the question, why couldn't four officers see the same?
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why didn't they make efforts to revive. one of the emts had to ask officer chauvin to get off floyd so he could treat him, and said he had no post when he arrived. he had to remove handcuffs from the man with no pulse so he could treat him. have disturbing video of floyd put in the ambulance after paramedics came. which chauvin's supervisor did not know could be the biggest clue of the die. listen to this recording played of chauvin taking a call from that sergeant in the squad car, asking him what just happened. is played at trial today. >> yeah, i was just going to call you and have you come out to the scene here. um, not really, we just had to hold the guy down. he was -- he went crazy.
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he wouldn't go in the back of the squad -- >> what will the jury make of the demeanor and tone of chauvin and what you just heard? does he sound like he is amman he is holding on the ground under his knee is dead or may be dead? that is the accused murderer himself leaving out very important details to his boss. he didn't tell him he had his knee on his neck and think he's dead. listen to what the sergeant had to say. >> i believe he told me they had -- tried to put mr. floyd -- i didn't know his name at the time. tried to put him in the car. he had become combative.
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i think he mentioned he injured his nose or his mouth, a bloody lip, i think, and eventually, after struggling with him, he suffered a medical emergency. >> is that the extent of what you remember the defendant telling you about the incident? >> that is basically it. >> did he tell you anything about putting his knee on his neck? >> no. >> chauvin shouldn't be smeared as a cop until it's over. he was already fired about being a bad cop. it's not about that. that issue was decided by the police force. it's whether or not what chauvin did was a causal factor in why george floyd died. the sergeant believes chauvin and the other officers used excessive force. listen. >> do you have an opinion as to when the restraint of mr. floyd should have ended in this
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encounter? >> yes. >> what is it? >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint. >> let's take today the better mind former prosecutor elliott williams. is that the biggest moment of the day? >> it's pretty big. a lot of people have weighed in witnesses, people at the scene. what you now have is an insider in the minneapolis police department, a uniformed officer. that is powerful. and should they have, the pans was a little more conditional saying they could have. but still, that was probably the biggest, and moreover, chris, this question of the reasonableness of the actions of the officers is the first big factual dispute of the trial. everybody is in agreement,
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george floyd was there, derek chauvin was there, and george floyd died and they are filling in the gaps. and what constitutes remember police force, this is the first salvo that we will see -- we will see more from the defense as well. >> the apparent indifference in chauvin's tone, do you think it portends they will have to put him on the stand? >> well, i don't know if anything portends it should put him on the stand. just because that is an incredibly risky decision particularly in a case like this. so it's an open question. so no, i -- i just -- you want to avoid the putting a defendant on the stand in a controversial case. probably not. >> even though, you will expose
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the jury to only him, no regret, no remorse. >> put it this way, chris. it's not slam dunk evidence but the prosecution will probably use it. he wasn't fully forthcoming. lest not lying. well, i'm not going to characterize his statement. he wasn't forthcoming with the supervisors. what the prosecution will say is that he will was in an attempt to conceal his actions, what he did not do is present full information to his supervisors, which goes to intent. it goes to the question of whether he knew he was doing something if not wrong, unlawful, now it's a question whether the jury believes it. juries are all over the place. what you see is putting together a number of arguments, a number of different factual basis to
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see what will stick. >> having george floyd's girlfriend on the stand to talk about their addiction. i want to play some of it for the audience. okay. when they get it, we'll put it up. but the prosecution did this. >> yep. >> why would they have the former girlfriend get on and say very emotional things and floyd? and yeah, we both struggled with opioid addiction. here's the sound. they have it. >> we both suffered from chronic pain. addi addiction in my opinion is a life long struggle. so it's something we dealt with every day. >> going forward to may of 2020, was there a time when you thought he might be using again? >> yes. >> george floyd's not on trial. why bring it up as the
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prosecution? >> i think it's two different things. number one, it's going to come out any way because there's a significant question as to what the cause of death was, and were there substances in his system? it's far better for the prosecution to do it. like says, mom, i broke the vase. as opposed to mom coming home and seeing it. you control putting it out there. that's point one. point two, it's almost a more human thing. there is a big shift in america or in the world about how we talk and think about addiction right now. seeing it almost as a quickness far more than something to be k criminalized. and what they are seeing is humanizing george floyd. there are jurors who have struggled with addiction or have loved one, friends, family who have struggled with alcoholism or opioid addiction or whatever. and it makes george floyd feel
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real or human to them. it's a two-prong strategy and may well work. >> the defense tried to play off the urgency of why you would put a knee on somebody's neck, raising the question with the paramedic, sometimes when you get a call and someone is coming out of a drug haze, an excited delirium haze, you want to use a suppressive measure just like this, and the paramedics said, yeah, sometimes you could want that. what's the play there and did it work? >> it worked for a second. think drew blood. because they suggested maybe he did have an overdose and could have emerged there after and become violent or so on. then on redirect, the prosecution brought up another witness who said, hey, could this probably happen? could someone emerge from an overdose and be violent?
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and she said, yes, however, the guy was pretty much dead at the time. she said, did he have a pulse? so the odds he would have awakened and become violent is incredibly slim. so in that split moment, the defense secedeedd the point, anu clean up the mess and the prosecutor did it brilliantly there. in lay terms, i thought he was dead. elliott, i'm not going to see you tomorrow. have a blessed easter. you and your family, rebirth and renewal. in this context, i can't wait to have you back. be well. >> happy easter. >> happy easter. all right, look, you got to stay
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on this trial. it's going to mean so much to the country no matter what the verdict is. now, when it comes to politics, the matt gaetz allegations, i have never heard anything like this. every politician says, let the investigation play out. you say it every time. of course we have to let it play out. we don't know anything. but of the acquisitions are of a character and nature i haven't heard before. the newest, we will talk about more in a second. misconduct involves nude photos, okay? the problem is not just the photos. it's who made them known to the media and to other colleagues. we may be seeing something right now we haven't seen on the right in a long time. we'll discuss next. ling at aspen dental where new starts happen, every day. get exceptional care at every step, unparalleled safety at every visit, and flexible payment options for every budget. now, during the everyday smiles event new patients get a full exam
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situation. and it's not easy. he is definitely under investigation by the justice department, and we do know it certainly involves sex trafficking allegations, plural. sources tell cnn he showed nude photos of women he slept with to lawmakers and he may have shown the images on the house floor. i get why the media is on it. it's salacious. and to me, it's about something different. to me, it's about where his party may be on him. let's bring in two absolutely better minds on what is going on here. okay, because the politics of this is getting very ugly very fast. let's bring in dana bash and former representative charlie dent who understands the party politics very well. dana, first, have you ever heard of anything like this, even on
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the suggestion level? >> well, depends on which part of the this you're talking about, chris. you said, there are different allegations now. one is, you know, probably the most serious. definitely the most serious for him and for his party, which is the criminal investigation that appears to be going on. and tonight, our colleagues on capitol hill who cover capitol hill are reporting about the pictures of women he allegedly slept with, showing them to colleagues on the house floor, as you said. look, there are so many other layers to unpack. here's the thing to remember. this is not a person who has a deep or wide reservoir of support, among his own republican colleagues, chris. so i would thought be surprised
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if this moves rather quickly. even in the trump world or post trump world where lack of shame doesn't really matter anymore. in this particular case, republicans in the leadership might think it's a different -- different kettle of fish because what we're talking about and who we're talking about. >> look, they have said the right thing this time. if there is a process going on, you have to respect the process. they have to respect the investigation. the photos are different. charlie this is my take on it. i'm not as impressed as the photos of some. i don't believe in the purity of the politician. but he did not show the photos to the people from the left and that is unusual in your party. what do you make of it? >> what i make of this -- i agree with dana. this man has very serious
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problems. the most serious of which is the department of justice criminal investigation on the sex trafficking. and it can force an ethics investigation, which would mean members of congress are going to be subpoenaed, and deposed. you may remember in the last congress, congresswoman katie hill resigned over pictures that were revealed by an exspouse that were less serious, and she resigned over it. and the time comes, yeah, he is entitled to due process. but when a member becomes an embarrassment, pressure will build on kevin mccarthy to have a conversation with him to resign. and eric wiener, and paul ryan forced out franks i believe. >> it's less common though. you mentioned katie hill.
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that's the left. the left has a different level of aggression. you were okay with the qanon and there is a level of bad conduct to stupid conduct. dana, do you think that gaetz may end up paying for the qanon lady because they had to deal with something this outlandish? >> they have probably a deeper well of energy for outlandish than we realize. maybe we do realize it given what we have seen over the past five years. but because we're talking about a couple things. allegations that we have to go through due process of a minor. and dealing with all kinds of -- >> maybe multiple minors. >> maybe multiple minors. exactly right. that i think the former congressman is getting at his
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leadership could be looking for an out. and by saying, oh, look, there could be ethics violations on the floor of the house of repr representatives, that could be their out trying to push him out. and charlie can tell you, he's had experiences -- >> on the ethics committee. >> yeah, right? watching leadership say you're out of here, and yes, it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing we have seen in recent years with republicans. but this does again feel different, easy specially since you alluded to this, chris. this is a time where republicans feel like when they're looking at their number one goal, which is to take back the house and the senate. we're talking about the house right now. they feel they are in good shape on the -- the basics for conservatives. democrats are big spenders.
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too much money, big government, and the culture wars. this is a distraction, so the question is how long do they want to let this distraction play out in an ultimate goal for somebody who really angered something in the caucus going out to wyoming and talking about that liz cheney should resign, taunting her in a theatrical way. >> the photos, you show them on the floor of the house. can it be enough? >> kit be enough to get him to resign. again, there will be subpoenas and depositions and members of congress have to come in as witnesses. but the prom goes away if matt gaetz resigns. if you're kevin mccarthy, the last thing you want to talk about is one of your remembers
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alleged to have engaged in misconduct and you should talk about the matters of the day. i think those resigned early. bottom line, they're going have to do deal with it and deal with it fast. he has no reservoir of good liwill and they are experiencing shodden freud moments. >> we will see. charlie dent, dana base. happy christmas. happy easter, happy everything. >> happy easter. >> all right, i'm going to bring in a former member of the fbi. this federal investigation is getting deeper and deeper. is a half that gaetz tells him about an extortion scheme that
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in the break, which sadly is where most of the good tv is made, we were trading anecdotes, charlie dent and dana bash and all about things we heard in congress. nothing like this, nothing of this magnitude of the s suggestions against congressman gaetz. let them see. his party can force a resignation. that's a favor. let's get legal perspective from what is going on here. andrew mccabe. good to see you, brother. >> good to see you, chris. >> now, first, you ever heard of a member of congress being attached to anything like any of the things we have heard on the
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investigative side? >> no, no, this is a new low, and it's an incredibly bizarre story, with so many facets to it. i never heard one quite like this. >> it went from an inquiry to an investigation from someone who is under age, that person is under 18 for sexual purposes. 18, federally. if she is 17, it triggers it. and this other guy, greenberg, is put in the mix. the former texas solicitor in florida, he is arrested, charged, with a trafficking scheme, and someone said, gaetz was here on a weekend night looking at videos with him. how deep with the waters get? >> not only does the witness say gaetz is seen on video, but
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greenberg texted the witness and confirmed it. that seems pretty credible to me, and it's an allegation that was brought to the authorities as early as january 2020. this is very, very serious. sex trafficking from a relationship with a minor is serious, in and of itself, if convicted can expose you to prison time and registration as a sexual offender, but to facilitate that activity, that makes it 100 times worse. this case is getting bigger and bigger. >> if matt gaetz is right and says there is no 17-year-old, the person doesn't exist. 23 if that is the case -- that may
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be gaetz. we'll patch him him. i like your ring tone. >> sorry. >> it's all good. you say, she doesn't exist. the person never happened. does it take this long to clear that up? >> no, not at all. information, the allegation, wherever the information came to the fbi, through the greenberg prosecution, maybe greenberg is providing to the investigation. who knows. they got the allegation of gaetz and a 17-year-old. they don't open the investigation on the allegation until they have identified who that person is and confirmed they are in fact 17 at the alleged relationship. so for congressman gaetz to come out and say that that person does not exist, he's really backed himself into a very uncomfortable corner that i think the authorities will be able to prove is false pretty
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easily. >> the other half of it, gaetz has created at minimum a decent distraction. this is an extortion scheme. i'm working with the fbi, me and my father. they are trying to extort. the guy who is missing in iran who the u.s. believes is now gone, is dead, and the fbi is investigating it. what i don't understand is how does the fbi open up an investigation into an extortion scheme which even as described by the gaetz family isn't extortion. if a family says, give me 25 million to get him out of iran, i will pay you the money back and it will look good for you on the federal level with the other thing you have going on with the women, that is not extortion. why investigate it? >> yeah, it's not extortion. as you know, extortion requires
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a demand and a threat. and the facts you late out, there doesn't seem to be a credible threat there. let's put it aside for just a second. if, if the congressman and his father came to the fbi and said we believe we're being extorted and laid out the folks who are advocating on behalf of bob levits and his family. they want to say, will you wear a recording? the fact that recordings are made is not strange here. it's the exact way that agents will try to get through to the bottom of the allegation. >> even if -- again, i don't get the extortion thing. i got to be honest. i don't know why the feds would be interested in it. it sounds bizarre. it doesn't feen the other
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investigation doesn't have any party. because just because the former feds knew about the investigation doesn't mean that investigation isn't real. both things can be true. >> that's absolutely right. and it's really important for your viewers to understand that. these two investigations in a way don't have anything to do with each other. whether or not the gaetz family is being extorted has nothing to do with whether or not matt gaetz had an illegal sexual relationship with a minor months and months ago. that matter has been under investigation since at least the end of the summer last year. it was briefed to the department of justice, including bill barr. as you believe, i think this is a matter of don't look at that, look at this, look at the shiny object over here. it's a great distraction technique. but the fbi doesn't have any other resource.
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they have to look into it to determine if there is anything there. it sounds like that is what they are doing. from the documents we have seen so far, it's really hard to see it as prosecutable execution. >> this inquiry was starting under bill barr. if anyone will give gaetz the benefit of the doubt, it would have been them. andrew mccabe, we will ask you back. until then, have a happy easter. the best for you and the family. >> thanks, chris, you too. >> up next, the george floyd murder trial. this is a trial fundamentally about systemic inequality. the issue of floyd's past drug use came up today. emotional. his former girlfriend forthcoming about her own struggles as well as her
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every day of this george floyd trial has been very difficult to watch. and i can only imagine what it's
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like for people of color. emotional. raw. the pain. witnesses we living trauma. watching a man die. and feeling powerless, helpless. and then today, courteney cross, intensely personal. her boyfriend was george floyd. she opened up at the prosecution's request about their struggles with drug addiction. however, i want to start it with her recounting of how she met her boyfriend george floyd. >> a great, deep southern voice, raspy. he is like, sis, you okay sis? and i wasn't okay. i'm just waiting for my son's
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father. he said, um. well, can i pray with you? >> van jones joins me now. i learned something today. from someone else i'm blessed with in my life, and i really want to make sure that this has gro got to be so hard for to you watch. sure, it's one man, one si incident, one officer in the trial. but it speaks so much to people of color, whether or not you're living in the hood of minnesota or not. i know it's got to be so hard, van, and i see that and i feel for you in this? >> i think your level of empathy and understanding that this is playing differently for different types of people has
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come through a lot and it means a lot. and what i saw, that's so human. we talk about humanizing. it's humanizing. why do we have to talk about humanizing, so much of the narrative about black men and dehumanizing. literally, you have an idea and they show it in brain scans. you see it in african-american men. people are trained to think the worse. people will see a weapon in the color of skin. as painful as it's been to watch this, there is -- there's a blessing in how human all these people are on the stand, talking about just meeting the guy they loved and that kind of stuff. i think it's been very, very difficult, but i hope that people are watching this and realizing, all we're asking for is the right to be human. we just want the right to be
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human. we don't have to be super human, and have the benefit of the protection of the rule of law. we just want the right to be human. the guy had an injury, he got an opioids like a million, gazillion other americans. >> what did you think of the strategy here of bringing on the girlfriend. the girlfriend says yeah, we struggled with opioids, and me too, and this is what it was like, and yeah, i think hoe was using again. the strategy here is to front run it. they are going to make george floyd's addiction a front-runner. what did you make of the tactic? >> i'm glad they did it. because being addicted to something like opioids, again, millions and millions of americans have found themselves in that situation. i had a friend who had a tooth pulled and they give him a jar of pain killers, and wound up
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with a major, major life problem. this is happening to americans all the time. get it out there, give it context. let it land human and then let's have that be a part of the story. let's not let it be the whole story. if you hold it back and you don't talk about it, suddenly, it looks like you have something to hide, and when the other side springs it on the jury, they are like, this is no big deal. listen, this is not at the end of the day something that you can't understand in your own family. all we're asking is if it were your relative who got hooked on opioids, maybe wasn't making good decisions, after three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, six minutes, would you want the cop's knee still on his neck? that is what we're asking. and everybody would say, if it's my family member, the answer is
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no. >> right. what do you say, every time i do a segment, i get him with a barrage, you know what he is really about? this is the real george floyd. why do you make him a saint? i never heroized the man. unless he was that person in that moment. if you're a bad guy, if you're a tough guy and you're trying to hurt people and you're trying to hurt the police officer, it's going to go one way and it's going to be south. but what do you say to people that say it matters this guy was no good guy? and that the media just heroizes him and he does no hero. >> you don't have to be a hero to have the protection of the law. you don't have to be perfect. we are all equal before the law, saints a saints and sinners alike. if he was the worst person who
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was ever born, if he was fighting like a mad man, once you have him in handcuffs, he is afforded the protection of the law. all we're asking, it's humiliating to ask the simple things. the right to be human. the right for the police to obobey the law. if the police think he is so terrible, keep him alive and get him in front of a jury. his job is to get him in front of a jury, not do a summary execution, and to use force in such excess that someone dies and you said very well and over and over again, it doesn't have to be the only factor. but if you have excessive force as a causal factor, that is unlawful in our system, and thank good ngs. why do you have people who call
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themselves patriots and say they love the country and swear by the constitution, in this case, say someone is beneath the protection of the law. we don't have to be super human and saints. and be treated as sub human. again, the humanity is just pouring forward in the trial, as children, and elderly people, and mixed martial artists say, this is inhumane. if we can get by the politics of it and deal with the humanity of it, we can be in a better place. >> i agree with everything you say. but in this case, there is no how is he in the altercation, you cannot make the case that floyd, in this altercation, he asked for it. no, he didn't, and the tape makes it clear.
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the defense hasn't argued it yet. look what he did to the officers. remember that, everybody. just because somebody feels it doesn't make it a fact. have a happy easter. we'll be right back. yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board. excellent. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. have a great flight. thanks. we'll see ya. ah, they're getting so smart. choose the app that fits your investing style. ♪
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republicans and state legislatures across the country are ramping up voter sue prese suppression efforts. moving in legislatures. 2022 is top of mind for republicans looking to dash a repeat of 2020. battle grounds georgia, arizona, they flipped to deliver biden a win. why? huge turn outs for blacks and latin os. they are showing up in texas suburbs and urban centers. texas, georgia, arizona have introduced the highest number of voter suppression bills. texas state senate announced a ban of drive through voting and early extended voting hours. why? it would end restrictions for how officials handle absentee voters, and why? they want to prohibit the offers
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of food of water of people in line. the president and other voting advocates are calling it what it is. jim crow 2.0. tell us how it's about safety and not suppression. we'll be right back. from fidel. [ cellphone vibrates ] you'll get proactive alerts for market events before they happen... and insights on every buy and sell decision. with zero-commission online u.s. stock and etf trades. for smarter trading decisions, get decision tech from fidelity.
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watching. i won't be with you tomorrow night. a blessed easter. rebirth and renewal. no matter what you believe, we can all use it. cnn tonight with the big star, d lemon. >> women, you think in the holiday season, the news would get slow. we are dealing with what is coming out of minneapolis, and also washington, d.c. allegations at this point. but to have a sitting congressman entwined and entangled, it's really something. >> we have another chapter in your book called i have never seen it in my lifetime. you and i didn't liv

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