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government was targeting him with mind control. tonight, flags at the u.s. capitol and the white house again at half staff. president biden just releasing a statement reading in part joe and i were heart broken to learn of the violent attack at a security check point on the u.s. capitol evan perez is live "outfront". what did you learn about the state of mind? >> what we are learning is a disturbing portrait of this suspect. his name is nathan green, and just in the hours and in the days before this attack, he was posting on social media including facebook and instagram talking as you said about the government having some kind of mind control on him. there is one that he posted just about two hours less than two hours before this -- before he was shot and killed there. he said that, you know, he had posted pictures and videos of the nation of islam leader and he said the u.s. government is the number one enemy of black people.
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he talked about how he had afle afflictions from the cia and fbi and one comment after onecommon t -- commenter on the post said i suffered multiple home break-ins, food poisoning, mind control. a portrait of someone deeply disturbed. this is part of what now the fbi and the metropolitan police here in washington are investigating. the metropolitan police are in charge of the investigation trying to see what is, what was the motivation here. he talks about how the u.s. government is his enemy so did that drive him to go to the seat of the u.s. government of the power of the federal government today? that's something that the investigators are talking to family members. people who knew him to try to get a little sense of his mind set in the last few days and certainly in the last few hours before he carried out this
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attack. >> all right. thank you very much, evan. it is deeply disturbing when you see this more and more. these new details you're learning. i want to go to brian todd now. he's outside the capitol and brian, you hear evan's reporting, a disturbing day for your city. a city still reeling from that insure reco insurrection and where that wound is. >> reporter: this is an attack that seemed play in seconds. we have information on the suspect and officer killed and on the police accounts of how the attack unfolded. a suspect in a car rammed two capitol police officers at a security barrier and got out of the vehicle wielding a knife police say. >> he did not respond to verbal commands. the suspect did start lunging towards u.s. capitol police officers at which time u.s.
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capitol police officers fired upon the suspect. >> reporter: at least one of the officers was stabbed an official tells cnn. once officer died from his injuries. william evans an 18-year veteran of the force. a second officer was injured. >> i ask that you keep all capitol police family in your prayers. >> reporter: the suspect 25-year-old noah green is dead, as well. no initial indication of ties to terrorism but the motive is unknown. >> clearly, this is someone actively trying to just get at whoever, whatever, we just don't know. >> reporter: a unit from the national guard was immediately deployed to assist. members of congress are mostly out of town during the break. authorities say they're not aware of a particular lawmaker being targeted but an emergency lockdown order was issued for the complex. the incident comes amid an increase in reported threats to
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lawmakers in ventrecent months a debate of removing more of the fencing in the capitol in police of the january th6th riot targeting lawmakers. some members on both sides of the aisle had been chafing in recent weeks. >> it's really discouraging to seat image it sends to the world. if that threat no longer exists, i hope we can return to normal. >> reporter: today's incident could reverse that debate. >> i thought once the barriers were removed, that we were moving back to some sense of normalcy but this just shows the level of a risk that there still is. >> reporter: in today's case, praise for the response by the police. >> unfortunately, we lost officer evans today but by in large the capitol police responded. they stopped him. the system worked. >> reporter: we have new information on the second officer struck by that car and
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injured. that officer police say is in stable condition tonight with non-life threatening injuries as investigators continue to try to piece together more specific information on the motive for this attack. erin? >> brian, thank you very much. and i want to go to andrew mccabe, former fbi deputy director and cnn law enforcement analyst. glad to have you with me. director, one social media post by the suspect included the caption the u.s. government is the number one enemy of black people and you heard evans saying there is mind control of the federal government targeting him and the nation of islam saved him. he specifically mentions terrible africflictions he suffd presumably by the cia and fbi and important the next words government agencies of the quite of america in the context where he attacked today. how important is all of this? >> it's quite important, erin. it's unfortunate we're having
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the same conversation we had trying to sort through the complicated history of a disturbed individual trying to figure out motive of an attack. but it's important to this question of whether or not we think about this attack as an act of terrorism. it seems pretty clear it not connected to any international terrorist group. we haven't heard any information about that. the question is it relative -- can we think about it as an act of come mdomestic ter rrorism. it's impacting the conduct of government. that certainly could apply here but we just don't know enough yet and even with what little we know about the sort of things that he did believe in, all that seems to be mitigated by these strong indicators of the possibility of mental illness or kind of extreme emotional distress. so it's a complicated picture
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the investigators have to sort through. they will do a lot of work talking to family members and executing search warrants and things like that so we'll learn more as the days goes on. >> the suspect also wrote again, i'm quoting his postings online to be honest, these past few years have been tough and the past few months have been tougher. i have been tried with some of the biggest unimaginable tests of my life and he went on to say he was unemployed. after i left my job partly due to inflections but on the search of a spiritual journey. i mean, there is clearly serious mental issues here. >> no question and some deeply held grievances about the federal government, about government agencies he believes are targeting him and i think it raises an interesting point. i think what we are going to see in the aftermath of the attack on the capitol on january 6th is an elevation of the nation's capitol as a symbol worthy of attack by people who are
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disturbed or harbor these grievances towards the government or hate the government for one reason or another. maybe because of political believes, maybe because of mental illness but i think that we need to think about the capitol as a much more high profile target now and that's something lawmakers should consider as they are trying to decide what to do about securing the grounds and enacting now procedures. >> let me ask you about that. this came two weeks after they had taken down those barriers. those barriers, they bothered me and a lot of americans for the message it sends, right? you used to be able to walk around. it's the people's government. i don't know whether -- what -- eventually as former d.c. police chief ramsey said to me, eventually they would have come down. you can't prevent this happening forever but how worried are you now? it's a big area to defend and i
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feel weird even using that word. how do you stop this if this has become such a high target? >> yeah, it's really very tough. i agree with chief ramsey it's unlikely we could turn the capitol into a permanent, you know, military instillation and push the perimeter way out blocking off streets, things of that nature to keep vehicles away. that's just not going to happen here in washington d.c. but we will always have distinctive vulnerabilities. there will always have to be access points where vehicles can pull up, drivers can be checked to make sure they have the correct access and either allowed in or not. those provide opportunities for people to attack those vulnerable points with vehicles, with trucks, with explosive d devices and what have you. it's the age old dilemma between security and freedom and our elected representatives need to sit down and really consider the severity and seriousness of the threats because they are not going away and how they want to mitigate the threats. >> is what happened in january
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the insurrection, is that responsible for whether it be this individual, for anyone seeing the capitol as this now point of attack? >> i think it's absolutely had an inspirational impact on people who harbor these sorts of grievances and anger towards the government. you know, watching that mob over run the capitol and basically achieve, you know, almost everything they wanted, they didn't get to stop the certification of the election but nevertheless, they took over that property. that was an indelible moment that will read in the hearts and minds of people similarly affected with grievance and animosity towards the government and raise it as a possibility, right? it's an attack you could do and succeed in. it dangerous. >> doctor, thank you very much. >> thanks, erin. next, our breaking news coverage continues. we'll look at the toll this attack in january's insurrection have taken on the capitol police force and major league baseball
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pulling the all-star game out of georgia because of the new restricting voting law. the president of the naacp is my guest and the cdc releasing the highly anticipated guidance for people fully vaccinated and want to travel.
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(mom vo) that's why we chose a car that we knew would be there for us through it all. (male vo) welcome to the subaru forester. the longest-lasting, most trusted forester ever. tonight as u.s. capitol police another officer is being treat for the injuries. stable and non-threatening condition and another reminder how these officers endured this year. alex marquardt is "out frfront" >> reporter: for the third time this year, a profession for officer william evans, a member of the first responders unit last month had marked 18 years on the force. >> it is with a very, very heavy
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heart that i announce one of our officers has succumb to his injuries. >> reporter: the acting chief of the capitol police pit man reminding what her officers have went through this year in the first days of 2021 with the insur insurrection. >> i ask that the public continue to keep u.s. capitol police and their families in your prayers. this has been an extremely difficult time for u.s. capitol police after the events of january 6th and now the events that have occurred here today. >> reporter: after a dramatic ramping up of security following january 6th, things had just begun to ease with the perimeter moving back, fences coming down and a hope among member of congress and law enforcement for some return to normalcy. that hope was shattered today with a second major act of
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violence on capitol hill in under three months. u.s. capitol police along with washington d.c. police were the first line of defense against the insurrectionists on january 6th. they were screamed at, beaten, and sprayed with chemicals by the rioters. officer brian sicknick was hit with what is believed to be bear spray. he died from injuries a day later. two officers later took their own lives. the wife of capitol police officer howie said his suicide was in the line of duty saying the insurrection in the days that followed took an incredible toll. officer harry dunn described the pain to cnn's don lemon called hell. >> you have good days and bad days and thinking about it takes you back to the hell day and it was tough to live through and it's also tough to relive talking about it. >> reporter: dunn told cnn trump supporters used racial slurs against black officers and
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talked about the depression many officers felt afterwards. >> officer sicknick was killed. we had officers that took their life because of the stress that they endured from that day. that is what happened. i don't know how you can word it any different than what exactly happened. >> usa! >> reporter: in the examination of what happened on january 6th, it was called the worst of the worst in the two decades of service of capitol police captain mendonsa. >> as an american and army veteran, it's sad to see us attack our fellow citizens. i'm sad to see the unnecessary loss of life. i'm sad to see the impact this has had on capitol police officers, and i'm sad to see the impact this has had on our agency and country. >> i mean, alex, before today, you know, the department had -- they had gone through so much, right? such horrible moral killers,
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right? this has got to make things even harder. >> almost certainly, erin. cnn has spoken to a number of police officers since january 6th. the moral wasn't great before then and plummeted in the months since then. a number of officers told us they mismanaged and over worked and stretched then and now had to deal with these two deeply traumatic events. there was a vote of no confidence in their leadership including acting chief pit man who we heard from today. they accused her of lack of come money case and visibility. a review under taken by the general after the insurrection has recommended 900 additional officers after his report found that the capitol police force was under staffed, poorly equipped and inadequately trained. erin? >> alex, thank you very much. next, the most senior officer on the minneapolis police force with what might be the most kons question l
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that derek chauvin was just doing what he was trained to do. you'll hear why as sara sidner is "outfront". >> reporter: the man who says he's been a minneapolis police officer for longer than anyone in the department makes no bones about it. kneeling on someone's neck is deadly use of force. >> have you ever been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back in a prone position? >> no, i haven't. >> would that be considered force? >> that would be the top tier, the deadly force. >> why? >> because of the fact that if your knee is on a person's neck, that can kill them. >> reporter: and that is exactly what prosecutors say former officer derek chauvin did to george floyd on may 25th, 2020. >> i can't breathe. >> reporter: lieutenant richard zimmerman who leads the department's homicide unit testified he was called to the
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scene to make sure it was preserved and police procedure which he could recite without he is take. >> as an officer, according to training, you handcuff somebody behind the back. what's your responsibility with regard to that person from that moment on? >> that person is yours. his well being is your responsibility. >> reporter: floyd was handcuffed. he had a knee on his neck, and he was pinned down on his stomach in what is known as the prone position. >> what has your training been specific to the prone position? >> reporter: once you secure or handcuff a person, you need to get them out of the prone position as soon as possible because it restricts their breathing. >> what is your, you know, in your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. putting your knee on a neck for that amount of time is just
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uncalled for. i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger if that's what they felt, and that's what they would have to feel to be able to use that kind of force. >> reporter: chauvin's attorney then questions zimmerman's recent field experience since he hasn't been on patrol in decades arriving at crime scenes only after an incident occurs. >> you're not out pa l trollinge streets making arrests? >> no. >> your experience with the use of force of late has been primarily through training? >> yes. >> reporter: the prosecution's case so far, we're now at the end of the first week has been incredibly strong and impactful, but we have to remember in this country in a court of law, you are innocent until proven guilty and that is exactly what the prosecution is intending to do but we have not yet heard the
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defense's case. keep that in mind, erin? >> sarah, thank you very much. i want to go to a criminal defense and civil rights attorney who represented rodney king and areva martin, our legal analyst part of the "outfront" legal team. it striking to hear yet another member of the minneapolis police department testifying against chauvin, right? he's one of their own testifying he used excessive force. how powerful is this for the jury to hear again and again and again and again? we had four images of members of the police force? >> most powerful. police do not testify against each other and when you have a situation like this when a number of police officers are testifying, this is something jurors can very much focus in on and understand that officers will not be testifying against them unless there was something wrong and violated the policies and training that took place. so to me, this is the most critical piece of evidence that the prosecution has put on to at
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least show that this is not an imaginary position they are taking, that police within the department and training all understood that this was wrong. so this is powerful evidence for the jurors. >> lieutenant zimmerman took on one point that the defense has been trying to make. they tried to say the crowd posed a threat and districactin and the officers felt threatened. here is what zimmerman said about that. >> it doesn't matter the crowd as long as they're not attacking you. the crowd really doesn't -- shouldn't have an effect on your actions. >> how big of a blow is his willingness to say that? >> that's pretty critical, erin. what we know from the defense pretty much with every witness that he has cross-examined, he's tried to make this big deal about this unruly crowd basically want to conjure up
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images of a mob, really. some believe it is racist the way he went after mr. williams to say mr. williams was a quote unquote angry black man. the points aren't resinating, i think, with jurors. if the crowd was so out of control, why wasn't there a call by one of those four officers for backup? we never heard any of the officers call their dispatch and ask for backup. two, when the ambulance does arrive, the officers turn their backs on this so-called unruly crowd to help the medics get mr. floyd into the ambulance. the argument about the crowd, we heard zimmerman say it doesn't matter about the crowd, the crowd was not attacking these officers. that's a piece of deadly -- >> okay. >> so john, lieutenant zimmerman said he has never been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is hand cuffed in the prone position, right, which is the situation for george floyd. what was interesting here and i want to play this and have you analyze it because the defense responded to that point.
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they said that chauvin actually was on floyd's shoulder, not his neck. listen to this. >> it would be consistent with the minneapolis police department training you've received to place your knee across the shoulder to the base of the neck? >> i don't know if i've -- part of your question was handcuffing, and we've certainly been trained to put the knee on the shoulder. >> okay. john, so in that possibly significant, he's saying we have been trained to put the knee on the shoulder. we asked former washington d.c. police chief charles ramsey what he thought about that. he agreed having a knee on the shoulder wouldn't be problematic but it's clear chauvin did have a knee on floyd's neck itself. what do you make of this defense, john? is this something the defense will be able to make hay of? >> i think the defense needs to figure out and from a physical
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point of view, they got to get the knee as close to the back and off the neck as they can. and so if they put it on the back, that's an indication while he wasn't on the knee, wasn't on the neck and therefore not a serious position. but i think that everyone can see if you look at the video and you look at what the people will testify to, he was clearly on the back of the neck. defense counsel has to do what they can to create doubt he wasn't really on the neck because that is a serious issue and all the police people will testify that that's not a proper procedure and so to the extent that's not a proper procedure, he has to neutralize that as best he can by shifting it away to another aspect of the body. i've seen the cases where we had it on the neck and on the back and i know the back is okay but the neck isn't and you can't do either one of them very long. >> which is, you know, it's interesting the defense, the way they placed the question, was there training to place the knee across the shoulder to the base of the neck? they're trying to put it down by
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millimeters to try to get rid of that problem. all right. a ar areva, we're going to hear testimony on what day, et cetera. we expect to hear from one of the most high profile witnesses from the minneapolis police chief. the chief surprised a lot of people releasing a statement that read in part, chauvin knew what he was doing. this was murder. it wasn't a lack of training. so what is the impact of this? i mean, does this -- we obviously know where the chief is going to go. does that help or does that kind of hurt credibility with the jury that this decision had been made in his mind so much earlier? >> well, i think it's going to be powerful testimony for the jurors to hear the highest ranking individual in this police department the chief made a determination that this was murder and as john said, it's very unusual for police officers to testify against other officers and particularly in this case to come out before the trial and state that the conduct of this officer was unreasonable.
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we can expect the defense to go after the chief to raise issues about credibility to raise issues about motive. we heard him do a little of that today with lieutenant zimmerman trying to go after this notion that he had made decisions without having a totality of the evidence so we can expect him to take the same approach with the chief to say look, you came to this conclusion but there hadn't been a full investigation at the time this letter or your statement was made. if you're a juror and see the chief of police who fired this officer come and testify to say that this was unreasonable force, that's going to be a big blow to the defense's case. >> both, thanks so much. i appreciate your time, avreva and john. >> thank you. major league baseball playing hardball. great news but a sign that the economy could over heat?
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tonight, major league baseball announcing it's moving this season's all-star game and mlb draft out of atlanta, georgia. the reason is the state's new law on voting. the league saying in a statement quote major league baseball
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fundamentally supports voting rights for all americans and opposes restrictions to the ballot box. it continues to have games unwavering support. leaders from target, snapchat and uber issued a public statement opposing measures that deny eligible voters the right to cast ballots. "outfront" now the president and ceo of the naacp derrick johnson. appreciate your time. the pga says they will stick with their plan a moment ago but the mlb coming out and saying this obviously caught everyone's attention. it a significant headline. how consequential do you think this decision is by the mlb? >> i command the commissioner of baseball and team owners who are stepping up in this moment to protech our democracy. republicans have to understand particularly those in georgia you cannot steal your way through elections. you cannot suppress votes. this is not 1930. corporate america should not tolerate undermining our democracy so i commend major
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league baseball and corporations who are stepping up in this moment. >> so let me ask you about, you know, sort of from two sides some questions here. one from democratic georgia state representative terry and she tweeted quote, i am intensely frustrated by the mlb decision today. i'm also intensely frustrated by the gop leadership in georgia. i hope other events don't leave georgia. that only hurts working georgians. what do you think at this point? there are people in georgia who rely on jobs from something like these mlb events who of course now will lose that. does she have a point? >> well, when you take the right to vote from working georgians, that's what hurt more than anything else. entertain that business activity is the outcome of our democracy and our democracy must be protected and in order to be protected if we have a true representative of democracy where people participate so at the end of the day, what hurts working class georgians more
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than anything else is subverting of democracy, individuals trying to steal elections and control and suppress votes. that's what hurts more than anything else. >> so i wanted to read an excerpt from the governor of georgia's statement. i know you've seen it. for our viewers, georgians and all americans should fully understand what the mlb's knee jerk decision means. cha cancel culture is coming for every aspect of your life sports included. the attack on the state is repeated lies from joe abrams and stacy aey abrams to ensure security of elections. >> he participated in the attempted theft of the right of georgians to vote. you cannot have an inverted argument and blame those that are standing up for justice and in fact, that was nothing that
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my close friend stacy abrahm did or biden did. this is the activity of the legislative body of georgia and signed by the governor. honor our constitution. play the process in a way which everyone should be able to participate. we fight wars to ensure democracy abroad. we should fight here to ensure democracy is afforded to citizens of this country and state of georgia. >> governor kemp has over the past few days given examples of things in the bill he says are being purposefully ignored. for example, yesterday he said biden should look at georgia's voting rule side by side and kemp said georgia has no excuse absentee voting, delaware does not. kemp said georgia allows drop boxes limited, yes but delaware doesn't have them at all. they did have them in 2020 for the pandemic. unclear if that will continue. there is nothing in there. what do you say to kemp's points where he says this is deeply unfair? >> this is about the state of
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georgia, not any of the other 49 states. he should focus on being governor of georgia and making sure the constitution is upheld and allow all citizens to fully participate without subverting suppression votes. what was wrong with the november election other than it turned out differently than he wanted to? there is no evidence of fraud. there is no evidence of a problem. we had a system that was carried out in november free counting of the ballots came up the same. top tampering with the outcome of the election to fix the vote before the election takes place. stand up as a governor and represent all of the state, not some of the people. >> all right. president johnson, appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. tonight, a blow jouout jobs report. 916,000 jobs were added. a huge number. the biggest since august and way more than economists expected. they expected 647,000. the unemployment rate went down
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to 6%. it's a massive surge. it should be celebrated. context does matter, though. the u.s. still has 8.4 million fewer jobs than it did prepandemic. right? there is still a hole to climb out of. economists say the report quote marked the start of a hiring spree that with more people getting vaccinated and more reopenings and significant fiscal expansion, we can see booming activity in the spring and summer. with so many jobs being added so quickly and 2 trillion in additional stimulus on the way in the form of direct payments, there are still concerns that the economy could over heat. "outfront" next inside the struggle to vaccinate the homeless at a greater risk of contracting coronavirus. plus, what it's like for many black americans seeing george floyd's graphic arrest again and again and again during the derek chauvin trial. >> to have to relive this again, it was a high tech lynching.
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tonight the cdc saying fully vaccinated people can travel. more than 100 approx0 million a received one covid vaccine so far which is 30% of the population. there is a large group medical professionals are concerned aren't getting access to vaccines, the homeless. dan simon is "outfront". >> there is where i stay. this is my home here. >> reporter: this 49-year-old showing us the car he's been living in in the past five years in the streets of oakland. dead rats littering the encampment. >> reporter: does the car drive? >> most times of the day, it doesn't move. it wish it did, because the rats
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on wheels to provide the life saving doses. not everyone says yes. >> not going to happen. maybe next week? >> maybe next week. >> reporter: hesitancy can be common. >> people have great mistrust of systems in general and medical fits into thapar dime. >> first i was against it, but i guess when i learned more about it, i guess i'm doing the right thing. >> reporter: this mother of two is getting the one dose johnson & johnson vaccine. >> that's it. it's over. >> that's it. >> reporter: it's now used exclusively in the mobile clinic. >> us being to find people a second time can be complicated or getting the second dose on time. >> reporter: beginning march 15th, californiaed those experiencing homelessness as qualified for the vaccine. at least 31 states and washington d.c. are now vaccinating the unsheltered or
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heart breaking. >> it's traumatic. >> it's painful. >> reporter: as the nation watches george floyd's final moments play out once again, it's an emotional moment, especially for the black community. >> all of black america is in post-traumatic stress. to have to relive this again, it was a high-tech lynching. >> we all remember what it was like last year when we saw george floyd being killed by a police officer in the middle of the day in front of everybody. >> reporter: the video of floyd under the weight of derek chauvin's knee has replayed throughout the trial this week from multiple angles. witnesses describe their sadness on the stand. kourtney ross, the girlfriend of george floyd, cried through her testimony. one of the most gripping testimonies was 61-year-old charles mcmillen who broke down after seeing the body camera footage. it was a moment that stuck with sandra williams. >> and to see him break down on
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the stand, i think all of us cried. when i watched it, i cried. i got a call from my young son that's in medical school. he was upset. because we know what that means. our lives have no value. >> georgia state representative says hearing the system has been heart breaking. >> we saw, you know, adults break down crying because they had to witness the murder. now they're being retraumatized. >> reporter: the trial has been trending on social media with reaction from across the country. for some, watching the trial hasn't just elicited an emotional response but a physical response as well. >> it is so emotionally draining. it's almost -- i want to say almost former ptsd. i find myself having heart palpitations. i find myself thinking about personal things that i family has went through. >> reporter: and there's a collective concern within the community for how this may play out. >> we never got justice for
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trayvon martin or michael brown or freddie gray or sandra brand. we're praying this is the exception to the rule. >> reporter: but those in the black community hope the trial can be a mode of healing for all of us. >> all too often our white community is silent when it comes to situations like this. and we're going to build a better america, we've got to stand together on situations of injustice. >> reporter: this continues to be a tough week for a lot of people when it comes to the trial. online, people actually started support groups to make sure that people got the advice they needed to take a break from the intensity, the emotions that were kind of spewing all over the place. but there is a large group of people who feel like they have to watch every part of this, because they want to make sure that they are documenting history and seeing how the justice system works. >> all right. ryan, thank you very much. powerful report. and thanks so much to all of you.
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don't forget you can watch "out front" any time anywhere. go to cnn go for those who celebrate easter, enjoy this weekend. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. chris is off. and there's a lot of news going on. so we've gotten a little bit started. the deadly attack on the united states capitol that we need to report to you. again, a lot going on. once again, the center of our democracy became a bulls eye less than 90 days after the attempted coupe. this time a car attack by a deranged knife-wielding man. the united states capitol police officer is dead after trying to protect the legislative branch of our elected government. an 18-year veteran of the force. we have all the new details on all of this for you. we're following major developments in the derek chauvin murder trial for george floyd's death. today's testimony from one of
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chauvin's former law enforcement colleagues could be devastating to his defense. and as matt gates faces growing questions about his alleged relationships with young women and whether campaign funds are involved, a key member of his own staff quits. i want to start with what's going on on capitol hill. and jessica dean is there. she was there when the attack happened. >> reporter: the united states capitol on high alert again as another attack left one capitol police officer dead and another injured. >> the suspect rammed his car into two of our officers. >> reporter: a 25-year-old suspect noah green ramed this blue sedan into a -- striking to officers before charging at the officers with a knife. >> the suspect did start lunging toward u.s. capitol police officers at which time u.s. capitol police officers fired
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upon the suspect. >> reporter: a law enforcement official telling cnn one officer was stabbed. >> and it is with a very, very heavy heart that i announce one of our officers has succumbed to his injuries. >> reporter: william billy evans, an 18-year veteran of the force, is the second capitol police officer to die on duty in just the last three months. house speaker nancy pelosi calling him a, quote, martyr for our democracy. and president biden ordering flags at the white house to be lowered. this afternoon's attack bringing back memories of the january 6th insurrection, just as security measures were ramping down with fences being removed around the capitol. >> it shows us there are people out there that want to hurt us. and so we got to do more and do better. >> reporter: we just learned nancy pelosi spoke with officer
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evan's family to express her condolences and heart brokenness over what has happened. we also know that senate majority leader chuck schumer has spoke within officer evan's family. at this point all of congressional leadership has expressed prayers. just everyone is simply devastated that this has happened. it is happening just with the wounds still so fresh from january 6th with this heaviness that still exists here. and there are so many heart broken people here on capitol hill tonight. >> thank you so much. i appreciate your reporting. i want to bring in evan perez and our correspondent pete monoteen as well. good evening to you. evan, you first. you've been digging into the suspect and his disturbing social media presence. what are you learning? >> well, don, this is very disturbing portrait we're getting from facebook and instagram posts that this man posted including some postings
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that were made just under two hours before he carried out this attack before he was shot and killed there at the u.s. capitol. one of them that he posted, he talks about he says, i have suffered multiple home break-ins. food poisonipoisonings, assault auth authorized -- there's another one he's posting a meme where he has a caption that says u.s. government is the number one enemy of black people. he describes that he became a follower of minister lewis far khan, a nation of islam leader. you can see in some of the posts he describes the fbi and the kroi were behind some of his afflictions. reasons why he said he had -- he lost his job. had been unemployed recently. and don, i think one of the things that comes to mind here, you know, after the january 6th riots and the insurrection, this is one of the things that
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worried law enforcement was that when people saw what happened that day, the ability of people to sack the building, that there might be people at home watching, maybe disturbed, so decide they want to try something like that. that's one of the things that is being looked at right now. >> pete, i want to bring you in. you're at george washington university hospital where officers from the capitol police and metropolitan police paid their respects for officer william evans with a procession earlier. there it is on your screen now. what was that like? >> sad and powerful procession for officer billy evans. you know, right in front of george washington university hospital it was hard to spot someone who wasn't a police officer. not only u.s. capitol police, but the u.s. park police, u.s. secret service, the metropolitan police department was here. it was hard to spot somebody who did not have a dry eye. out only did the hospital staff come out on the street from inside the hospital to pay their
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respects to officer evans, but also i saw one lone u.s. capitol police officer standing in a solemn salute at the top of 23rd street as the procession left. i also saw the head of the metropolitan washington police department hugging other police officers here. and after the procession left, we were able to get a glimpse into the fact that this was also a bit of a crime scene. there was crime scene tape blocking the front of the ambulance bay in front of the emergency department. beyond that a u.s. capitol police cruiser being inspected from the d.c. police department. they were going over that with latex gloves and photographing that cruiser. still not clear how that will play into this investigation here. what is clear here, yet another line of duty death for the u.s. capitol police department and only a few short months of 2021. >> do we know perhaps did they bring the officer to the hospital in the police cruiser or do we know anything like that, pete?
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>> we still have to wait to see that play out, cdon. we know ambulances were involved -- it may be a reason -- and if they were driving here, it would have been a harrowing drive. it's a few miles away, but even in d.c. traffic, it's particularly hard to do, especially during the peak of the cherry blossom. there's a lot of traffic in washington. that would be a hard feat to pull off. >> another capitol police officer injured in this attack, pete. what are you hearing about his condition? >> well, we are hearing maybe a bit of welcome good news on that today. we know that other officer is now in stable and nonlife threatening conditions. so maybe a glimmer of good news on an otherwise dark day for the u.s. capitol police department. >> evan, another question to you. investigators, what are they doing right now to try to determine a motive. earlier they said we don't think it's terrorism in the traditional sense, but that was pretty early on. what do we know now?
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>> right. it was a surprising statement to come so early, and i know one of the things they're doing is trying to talk to family members, friends, people who may have seen him the last few days, because frankly, one of the things they are still trying to get to the bottom of is whether there was any political motivation. he talks about how the u.s. government is the number one enemy of black people. that enters into the picture. you know, was that the reason why he came here, the seat of the federal government obviously? and so they're working to determine whether terrorism or anything else, what else was part of this, or if it's a mix of motivations including, of course, a clearly disturbed mentally disturbed person who made the postings that we just talked about. >> yeah. listen, we have had that before. i've covered stories where people have driven their cars into barricades in washington at the capitol and so on. but this one unfortunately resulted in the death of an officer and the individual but
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also to -- a month or so, or just a little bit over a month, evan, after the capitol insurrection. it adds insult to injury. >> it does, and i think you can tell from just from what you can see, the scene that pete described, these are officers who have suffered so much in the last couple of months in their family, obviously. this is a family of officers you have officer sicknick who died shortly after the insurrection. another two took his own life. i heard from his family today. they wanted to make sure that people remembered that he suffered also. and there were so many others who were hurting. one officer turned in her gun because she was afraid she was going to harm herself, don. there was also another metropolitan police officer who took his own life. clearly, a lot of hurt for the officers who endured so much on that day. hours and hours battling those people who are trying to harm
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the members of congress that day. >> a lot of suffering going on in the country right now. thank you very much. i appreciate it, evan and pete. >> much more on today's attack on the capitol. a next. how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i mean it... oh, sorry... [ laughter ] woops! [ laughter ] good evening! meow! nope. oh... what? i'm an emu! ah ha ha. no, buddy! buddy, it's a filter! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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at the white house, and at the united states capitol at half staff. a deadly attack at the capitol. the acting capitol police chief dealing with the grief and trauma from january 6th having to announce another officer's death while on duty. >> two u.s. capitol police officers were transported to two different hospitals. and it is with a very, very heavy heart that i announce one of our officers has succumbed to his injuries.
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>> that officer was william billy evans. a member of the capitol police force for 18 years. joining me now to discuss former capitol police officer butch jones and former fbi special agent. good evening to both of you. officer jones, two deadly attacks on the u.s. capitol in a matter of months. it's an unthinkable tragedy, but if the officers didn't stop the attack today, this really could have been a whole lot worse. >> yes, sir, it could have been a lot worse. you know, for the officers staying out and protect the capitol and protect the staff who was there. it's a tremendous job, and is a terrible loss. >> talk to me about what they're feeling, someone who knows what happens when one of your fellow officers is lost in the line of duty. what are the men and women there
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dealing with now? >> they're dealing with a very heavy heart. you know, in 1998 when we lost two officers, it was a very sad day. you know, when you lose a brother and a sister, it's hard to cope with, but luckily they have each other, and that's what make it seem better if i can say it like that, because everybody feels the same. >> i want you to take a listen to what we heard from retired lieutenant who led a review of security in the wake of january 6th. >> our many members challenged recommendations some of the recommendations we made in terms of barriers that -- and hardening of the capitol while keeping the capitol open to the public. and the challenge was they would tell me, hey, we've gone to the skiff, general. we've not seen any threats to
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the capitol. we have to accept that 24/7 the capitol is a threat to domestic, foreign and criminals who might want to attack at the center of our leadership of the united states. >> how vulnerable is our capitol right now? >> the capitol is very vulnerable. the sad part is no one is being held accountable. starting with january 6th because no one is held accountable. 45 was not dealt with in inciting the riot. the capitol is vulnerable, and i look for it to happen again. >> you think it will happen again? >> yes, sir, unless we take responsibility of what's going on. and we have not taken responsibility. members of congress have not taken responsibility. and somebody has to do something besides capitol police. >> what do you mean
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responsibility for what's going on? talk to me more about that. >> well, you know, this is the way i feel. if you are having members of congress, senate and congressmen, say that the voting was a fraud with no proof, you had the president say, i mean, a former president say come down to the capitol and raise hell, and nobody is being dealt with, you know, they talk about capitol police, and they make capitol police seem like yes, they wasn't prepared for the multitude of people they had, but i still believe in my heart that it was beyond the paycheck of capitol police, and some of this was allowed. and nobody has been held responsible. and until then, i think this can happen again and again. >> it's -- we're fortunate to have your insight on this. asha, you know the fbi. what's going on behind the
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scenes right now in this investigation? >> the fbi right now would be assisting the metropolitan police in uncovering the motive behind this attack. i was a little surprised when officials said that they were -- it didn't appear to have any connection to terrorism. it may be true, but that is really determine bid the motivation behind it. in the case of international terrorism, if it was inspired by or associated with a foreign terrorist organization or domestically, if it is inspired by an ideology, a political ideology, racial, religious. and the only way that you really uncover that is by, for example, uncovering a person's digital footprint. talking to the people around them. i also think that the law enforcement, fbi will want to see whether there was any coordination or planning behind this just because that will give an indication of whether there might be something else coming or if this was just a lone
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attack. >> a similar question as to what i just asked officer jones for you, ausha. did the january 6th insurrection make a symbolic way to air grievance through violence? >> i think january 6th -- i think the capitol has always been a symbolic target. just like, say, the twin towers were. you know, to foreign terrorists. january 6th put it in the public eye. you know, day today, because we were covering that story. and so i do think that it will channel people's grievances driven by a number of different motivations just because it will be in their consciousness, and i think especially when the grievances have to do with dissatisfaction or mistrust in the government, conspiracy theories involving the government. you know, it's just a highly
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visible target against which to channel your frustrations. i think the challenge with the capitol is that precisely because it is a symbol and seat of our democracy, how do we protect it while at the same time not making it into a fortress? the symbolism is important to our country, but we also need to find ways to understand that i agree with my co-panelists, that i think that we will see attacks again against this target. >> officer jones, i'm just wondering what -- because officers there are going to need some help. what they need in the wake of this and especially the capitol insurrection, because that was so monumental, and then we have a capitol police officer, metropolitan police officer dying by decide after the january 6th insurrection. i know several officers are dealing with ptsd. i know it's tough. they're hanging on. but what do they need right now
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in order to be better and to do better? meaning their jobs and in their personal lives as well? >> number one, i think the members of congress are going to have to be more understanding to the point where the pandemic, you have shortage of men. they work long hours. so you have to provide for capitol police. for capitol police is there every day. they have not failed congress. and congress needs to step up and protect capitol police. hide the men. hide the horses. hide the dogs, whatever is necessary. they want to be protected. they got to pay for it. >> i got to ask you one thing before we leave. because we -- listen, we love having ausha here. she's a member of the family. that goes out saying. her wisdom and insight is valuable. we don't often hear from you and people like you. i want to know since the insurrection and since what's happened now, is there
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anything -- what do you want america to know? what do you want our leaders to know right now? >> i think our leaders are so vicious. you know what i mean? we are not respectable. we call each other names. you know, i've shared under a lot of members of congress. tip o'neal. some of the old guys and even though there were republicans and democrats, they respected one another. and when you have destruction from the top, it trickles down all the way down. so you -- congress has to be challenged. they have to do their job. and they're not doing their job. and they are leaving everybody else vulnerable. >> officer butch jones. thank you. really appreciate your honesty. thank you so much. ausha, thank you as well and
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more testimony in the derek chauvin trial today. this time a senior officer in the minneapolis police department reacting to the use of force against george floyd. for five days 14 jurors heard dramatic opening statements. 19 witness testimonies. many of them heart wrenching, sitting through deeply disturbing videos from every single angle. capturing the last minutes of george floyd's life. we go through what we've learned. >> reporter: the theme of a shortened day five of testimony was training. >> have you ever in all the years you've been working for the minneapolis police department been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is
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handcuffed behind their back in the prone position? >> no, i haven't. that would be the top tier. the deadly force. >> why? >> because of the fact that if your knee is on a person's neck, that can kill them. >> reporter: 35-year veteran richard zimmerman who said he served longer than any other officer in the police department testified to the risks of restraining a suspect the way george floyd was held. >> what is your -- in your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. once a person is cuffed, you need to turn them on their side or have them sit up. you need to get them off their chest. your muscles are pulling back when you're handcuffed and with the leg on your chest, that's constricting your breathing even more. >> reporter: it was even something former derek chauvin
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was asked about in the moment by a former officer. >> staying put where you got him. >> reporter: during cross examination, the defense pointing out the difference between a patrol officer and zimmerman's job. >> the frequency with which you have to use higher levels of force as an investigator doesn't happen all that often. right? >> correct. >> it would not be within your normal role of or job duties to do such a use of force analysis. right? >> that's correct. >> zimmerman's testimony comes on the tail end of a week filling in gaps of what happened on may 25th, 2020. including what happened when medical personnel arrived. >> in lay terms, i thought he was dead. >> reporter: painful testimony about what it was like in the moment that day just steps away from floyd.
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an insight to how derek chauvin interpreted what had just happened. >> trying to control this guy because he's a sizable guy. >> reporter: all of it stemming from an excruciating 9 minutes and 19 seconds of a knee to the neck that according to friday testimony should have ended much earlier. >> the ambulance will get there in whatever amount of time, and in that time period you need to provide medical assistance before they arrive. >> reporter: and lieutenant zimmerman was among 14 minneapolis police officers that signed onto an open letter condemning derek chauvin. at one point the letter read derek chauvin failed as a human and stripped george floyd of his dignity and life. zimmerman was the last witness this week. it is expected at some point
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we'll hear from the current police chief and the medical examiner. >> omar, thank you so much. appreciate that. laura coates is with us today. she examines these issues on her show as well. i would encourage you to tune in to that. today's testimony from lieutenant zimmerman, the longest-serving officer in the minneapolis police department. saying chauvin's use of force is unnecessary. pouring cold water on the defense of following training. how big a blow was that for the defense? >> it was crucial. he didn't just pour cold water. he blew it out of the water. up until now you've had the defense strategy to scapegoat the crowd, as if their imploring of the officers to render aide somehow removed the opportunity to perform a duty of care.
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then the training. i'm following orders here. what you saw was the establishment of derek chauvin as the police persona nongrata. neither of any of the officers testifying wanted to do what you expect to happen. he was one of our own and he was try to plant the seeds of the benefit of doubt. you saw this is not who we are and creating a clear line in the sand that said look, officers are able to use force to subdue a suspect. it transforms to an assault once force is no longer necessary and you sustain that force in a deadly nature even after the person exhibits signs of death. that's what happened today. it was monumental. it was crushing. >> you know, laura, this week is -- it's been so emotional. right, with the witnesses. really emotional witnesses. so much video giving such
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dramatic testimony. the country is really riveted. i mean, what are you expecting to see next week? >> well, you know, we're not going to see as much of the emotional provocative testimony we've had from a bystander. you're only going to have once in a case's lifetime if a prosecutor's lifetime. the idea of a nine-year-old testifying in the same way as somebody who is more than half a century older. tears across the board from people who have seen this thing from 9-1-1 dispatcher who is are watching. bystanders an off duty firefighter. emts, mma fighter. imagine a traffic accident. how often could you have it where everyone witnessing a traffic accident says yep, the light was the same color? this is an inkblot test. for the first time, everyone saw the same thing. now you're going to go more into the idea of cause of death. the more technical aspects. the idea of the police training. the idea of toxicology reports.
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it's where this case is going to lie, because so far the defense has not had a leg to stand on about whether this force was reasonable. what they have left and the prosecution must prove is that the kneeling on the neck was a substantial cause of factor, not the cause factor, maybe not the only thing, but under minnesota law, you've got to prove that it was a substantial causal factor. to go there is the battle of the experts. >> not just the servicy things like he was high or this and that. there's nuance you have to read into exactly what happened, they talked about the drugs and however much that was a contributing factor. and so on. really, i haven't seen anything this emotional from a trial on television. i really cannot remember when. i can't. >> no one can. and really, think about it. actually, you probably can. the last time you saw something this emotional on television was
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when we thought it was an 8 minute and 46 second video. i go back to being a mother here and imagining my young children going to the store and coming back, i think they're going to be bringing back snacks. they bring back the memory of having witnessed somebody take their last breath under the knee of who i tell them should protect them. i mean, this is the kind of visceral reaction you have, and frankly, if i were the defense council in this, that's the very type of testimony that i would have sought carefully to derail. i mean, the idea that we had in many respects here, long periods of monologues talking about feelings, talking about the emotion that it evoked and not having at least even if they weren't evidentiary justifiable or hear say objection, at least attempting to derail it. it seemed at times the defense itselves were in awe of the testimony and wondering where to go next. i give them that these witnesses
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particularly those who i call credibly pure in the sense of what's an angle? what's the agenda of a nine-year-old or the emt? what's the agenda of a 9-1-1 dispatcher? it's hard to undermine their credibility. but still, there were opportunities for the defense to try to at least derail them. throw them off the track in some ways. and they just could not. that's why i say, substantial causal factor, that's where they've got to go. >> i've been watching you get us through this. it's been invaluable. thank you. i appreciate it. for congressman matt gates, it's been a week. you know? details of an investigation into possible sex trafficking and an alleged relationship with an underage girl. all this stuff continues to surface. now a resignation in his staff. i'm going to speak with someone who has known gates for years. that's next.
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now to the matt gates saga unfolding. the spokesperson for matt gates suddenly leaving his job today with more allegations e americaning against his now
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former boss. the investigation centers on gates' friendship with former florida tax collector joel greenberg. federal investigators believe greenberg recruited women for sex and introduced them, the women who received cash payments to gates who allegedly had sex with them. complicated story. we'll go through it for you. "the times" says it reviewed apple pay and cash app receipts to gates made payments to greenberg which went to one of the women and one payment from greenberg to another woman. gates denies the allegations. joining me now to discuss, a state attorney in palm beach county. and who knows gates' father from the time serving in florida senate. also cnn political analyst searsen powers here as well. there's a lot going on. we're glad you're both here. di dave, you have good knowledge of this. talk about this. sex with a 17-year-old girl and
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women recruited and paid for by his friend, joel greenberg and according to the times there are receipts of payments from gates to greenberg to one of the women. if these allegations are true, how much trouble is matt gates in? >> don, it's good to be with you tonight. m matt gates is in a lot of trouble. if it can be proven he had sex with a 17-year-old girl, at minimum he's guilty of sexual activity with a minor. the crime known as statutory rape. in florida that's punishable up to 15 years in state prison and registration as a sex offender. if he was involved in paying for the sex for a girl who is underage and who was transported or harbored or recruited or enticed to have sex, that would be child sex trafficking. you can get up to life in prison for that. also there's the important he could be brought into a
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conspiracy with joel greenberg sitting in jail waiting for his own trial for sex trafficking and other things like identity theft and wire fraud. if it can be proven that gates was part of that conspiracy, they did something in furtherance of the conspiracy like go into the office and deal with all these fake i.d.s which apparently there's video evidence he was there, then gates could get a more serious penalty than joel greenberg. >> wow. i want to talk about that. let me ask you one more thing before we discuss that. he says that he's a victim of an extortion scheme and his father wore a wire as part of the investigation. you have known gates and his father for years. can you give us your take on that allegation? >> it's -- it should be noted that extortion is not a defense to sex trafficking. you can have both things at the same time. you can be a victim of extortion and at the same time be the perpetrator in a sex trafficking ring. this is a smoke screen.
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matt is really good at political theater. remember, he led the shutdown of the skiff, the secure room where the members of congress take depos depositions? that was during impeachment. he occupied the skiff with other republicans. they ordered pizza. it was to send the message that republicans needed to be part of the impeachment process. of course, they were, but it was political theater. he takes his cues from donald trump who is really good at smoke screens. at political theater. but it's not working this time because the underlying crime is so bad, child sex trafficking and when he tried to pull a stunt like that on the tucker carlson show, after the interview carlson threw gates overboard in front of his audience. >> even during the show, i have no memory of that. when you talked about -- sorry. dave, i want to ask you about joel greenberg. you said gates could end up being in more trouble an
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greenberg. is it possible greenberg may be rolling or giving information on matt gates at this point? >> yeah. and that's what i was referring to. because joel greenberg now has every incentive to flip. because he now has a bigger fish in the sea. and that's matt gates. and for matt, he's looking around. he can't find anyone bigger. that means the biggest fish is him. and joel greenberg has every incentive to play let's make a deal because he violated the terms of his pretrial release. he's going to wait in jail until his trial. >> kiersten, thank you for standing by. we both learned a lot. i'm sure you're fine with it because dave is giving us all sorts of information. politically, multiple sources have told that gates showed multiple pictures of nude women on the floor. that in itself, politically, that's a serious allegation. >> yes.
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i mean, it's -- you know, it's gross. we'll just start there, but it's just not the kind of behavior that is acceptable behavior from a member of congress. acceptable behavior on the floor of congress, at work, and it suggests a certain level of immaturity at best, and you know, the fact that he was so openly bragging about also women being sort of procured for him also does not -- you know, it's not a good look to say the least. it's not illegal, but then when you add in these other legal issues on top of that, then i think you've got a pretty ugly picture. >> listen, you know, he's -- as close to trump as they get politically. >> oh, yeah. >> he has no support from fellow
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republicans. can he keep his seat if these accusations are true? any of them? >> one of the problems is he's so disliked. even without this, what ends up happening is it's reminiscent of anthony weiner. people remember that. he was so monumentally disliked, and then he had these accusations. and so even if somebody was inclined to say let's give you the benefit of the doubt, if you're as unpopular as he is, it's going to be harder and harder to hang on. and so we have to wait and see how much people are willing to put their he neck out for somebody they don't like. >> kiersten, diver yrk thank you so much. i appreciate it. major league baseball pulling the game out of georgia over the state's controversial votinging bill. stay with us.
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over georgia's new restrictive voting law. they support voting rights for all americans and opposes restrictions to the ballot box. the atlanta braves say they are deeply disappointed. brian kemp signs the law, he argued the league cave to figure poli political opportunism and lies. let's start with president biden, here is what he said of early voting hours. >> you are closing the polling places at 5:00 when working people just got off? this is about keeping ordinary folks i grew up with from being able to vote. >> you say it is misleading for two reasons, why? >> the law does not touch georgia's election day hours,
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7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. early voting does not require any county to end voting at 5:00 p.m. there is a minimum of 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. but counties can go as long as 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. if they want to. some people come back and say well, it says they can stop at 5:00 p.m. so republicans can do that. the previous law left them ended at 5:00 p.m. if they wanted to. all this new law does in this respect is clarify that normal hours mean 9:00 to 5:00 so you can't say well, our normal hour is 10:00 to 4:00. it is a clarification here. 9:00 to 5:00 is a minimum and not a maximum. >> expands voting access especially on the weekend.
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governor kemp said in a treat that this bill expands to the ballot boxes. >> there are parts of this law that expand voting access. one of the ones that kemp and others point to is it adds a second mandatory saturday of early voting. there are two rather than one. this is a large however. there are many other provisions of the law that limits voting access rather than increase it. it is much more on restrictions than expansion. the law greatly shortens the absentee of voting period. it e eliminate early voting run-offs. it makes it harder for people to get their vote counted if they show up in the right county but
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the wrong precinct. all of this is behind the scene changes. it gives the republicans the power to remove election officials in counties and take their power temporarily and impose further changes that way. so on the whole, yes, this bill does contain some expansionary provisions. >> we'll discuss that. thank you, daniel, i appreciate it. >> one officer dead and another attack on kpcapitol hill today. we are live on the hill after this.
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